• Re: At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact

    From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed Jun 5 09:54:28 2024
    On 2024-06-05 03:21:50 +0000, olcott said:

    On 6/4/2024 10:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 9:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 10:28 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 9:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 9:54 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 5:53 PM, olcott wrote:
    https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf >>>>>>>>>
    At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact that the above
    link conclusively proves that DD <is> correctly simulated by HH. >>>>>>>>>
    It has been just like I smash a Boston cream pie in their face and they
    persistently deny that there ever was any pie as this pie drips from >>>>>>>>> their face.



    The problem iks you use the WRONG DEFINITION of "Simulated Correctly" >>>>>>>> to allow the simulation to say anything about the behavior of the >>>>>>>> machine being simulated.


    *I conclusively proved otherwise in the above link*

    You CAN'T provd that a definition is wrong.


    *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>>>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>>>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>>>
    What are you asking for a counter example of?


    The machine description of DD specifies that it does not halt to
    simulating halt decider HH and you already know that you cannot
    possibly prove otherwise.

    No, it specifies that it HALTS, since HH(DD,DD) will return 0.


    In other words you have always known that I am correct
    that DD correctly simulated by HH CANNOT POSSIBLY HALT
    and yet still try to get away with pure bluster.

    That looks like you don't konw what "DD correctly simulated by HH"
    means. If you want anyone to seriously consider your words you shold
    not write in a way that people tend to regard as a sign of stupidity.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Wed Jun 5 09:50:05 2024
    On 2024-06-04 21:53:55 +0000, olcott said:

    https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf

    At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact that the above
    link conclusively proves that DD <is> correctly simulated by HH.

    More obvious facts are denied by more numerous people so 100 should
    be nothing to worry about.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Jun 6 13:50:41 2024
    On 2024-06-06 01:01:41 +0000, olcott said:

    On 6/5/2024 6:32 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/5/24 8:30 AM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/5/2024 6:31 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 11:21 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 10:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 9:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 10:28 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 9:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 9:54 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 5:53 PM, olcott wrote:
    https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf

    At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact that the above
    link conclusively proves that DD <is> correctly simulated by HH. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
    It has been just like I smash a Boston cream pie in their face and they
    persistently deny that there ever was any pie as this pie drips from
    their face.



    The problem iks you use the WRONG DEFINITION of "Simulated Correctly"
    to allow the simulation to say anything about the behavior of the >>>>>>>>>>>> machine being simulated.


    *I conclusively proved otherwise in the above link*

    You CAN'T provd that a definition is wrong.


    *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot*
    *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot*
    *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot*

    What are you asking for a counter example of?


    The machine description of DD specifies that it does not halt to >>>>>>> simulating halt decider HH and you already know that you cannot
    possibly prove otherwise.

    No, it specifies that it HALTS, since HH(DD,DD) will return 0.


    In other words you have always known that I am correct
    that DD correctly simulated by HH CANNOT POSSIBLY HALT
    and yet still try to get away with pure bluster.


    You are talking in circles and keep on changing topics, possible
    because you just don't know what you are talking about, or possible,
    your medication has made your brain too fuzzy.


    *It is a proven fact that directly executed DD(DD) has*
    *different behavior than DD correctly simulated by HH*
    *One can lie about this yet this lie is easily exposed*

    Then HH does not correctly simulate the input per the definition of
    computation theory (or the general concept of a correct simulation)

    PERIOD.

    *This unequivocally proves the behavior of DD correctly simulated by HH* https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf

    That page merely mentions alleged proofs but does not claim to present
    any.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to olcott on Thu Jun 6 13:26:48 2024
    On 2024-06-05 12:30:25 +0000, olcott said:

    On 6/5/2024 6:31 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 11:21 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 10:15 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 10:55 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 9:45 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 10:28 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 9:22 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 9:54 PM, olcott wrote:
    On 6/4/2024 8:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
    On 6/4/24 5:53 PM, olcott wrote:
    https://liarparadox.org/DD_correctly_simulated_by_HH_is_Proven.pdf >>>>>>>>>>>
    At least 100 people kept denying the easily verified fact that the above
    link conclusively proves that DD <is> correctly simulated by HH. >>>>>>>>>>>
    It has been just like I smash a Boston cream pie in their face and they
    persistently deny that there ever was any pie as this pie drips from
    their face.



    The problem iks you use the WRONG DEFINITION of "Simulated Correctly"
    to allow the simulation to say anything about the behavior of the >>>>>>>>>> machine being simulated.


    *I conclusively proved otherwise in the above link*

    You CAN'T provd that a definition is wrong.


    *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>>>>>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>>>>>> *Try and provide a counter-example or implicitly admit that you cannot* >>>>>>
    What are you asking for a counter example of?


    The machine description of DD specifies that it does not halt to
    simulating halt decider HH and you already know that you cannot
    possibly prove otherwise.

    No, it specifies that it HALTS, since HH(DD,DD) will return 0.


    In other words you have always known that I am correct
    that DD correctly simulated by HH CANNOT POSSIBLY HALT
    and yet still try to get away with pure bluster.


    You are talking in circles and keep on changing topics, possible
    because you just don't know what you are talking about, or possible,
    your medication has made your brain too fuzzy.


    *It is a proven fact that directly executed DD(DD) has*
    *different behavior than DD correctly simulated by HH*

    It is self-evident from the meaning of the words and therefore
    easily proven that a correct complete simulation of DD(DD)
    reproduses the behaviour of DD(DD). Likewise it is self-evident
    and therefore easily proven that a correct partial simulation
    of DD(DD) reproduces a part of the the behaviour of DD(DD).

    Of course, simulation of DD without an argument may do somenting
    different.

    *One can lie about this yet this lie is easily exposed*

    Don't lie about that. Lying is not useful if easily exposed.

    --
    Mikko

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