• Re: Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?

    From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Thu Apr 10 22:32:50 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/10/25 2:20 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:




    The Universe is not an evolved biologcal system.



    Jan



    How do you know that? How can one state that as fact without having the
    means to check it?

    Ockham told me.

    Jan

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  • From x@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Thu Apr 10 15:14:33 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    On 4/10/25 14:06, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 01:32 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/10/25 2:20 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:




    The Universe is not an evolved biologcal system.



    Jan



    How do you know that? How can one state that as fact without having the
    means to check it?

    Ockham told me.

    Jan



    Neither "Gaia Hypothesis" nor "Dumb Rock" are any more
    falsifiable than "Big Bang" or "Steady State", which aren't.

    Ockhamites are by no means the prevalent school,
    though, it's popular with shallow inconstant sorts.


    Do you, uh, believe everything Ockham says?

    You know if words do not have meaning than the
    words 'true' or 'false' do not have meaning.

    Do 'true' ideas have any greater value than
    'false' ideas? Well if those words are meaningless
    then maybe not.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 07:30:15 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    On 4/11/2025 12:14 AM, x wrote:
    On 4/10/25 14:06, Ross Finlayson wrote:
    On 04/10/2025 01:32 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/10/25 2:20 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:




    The Universe is not an evolved biologcal system.



    Jan



    How do you know that? How can one state that as fact without having the >>>> means to check it?

    Ockham told me.

    Jan



    Neither "Gaia Hypothesis" nor "Dumb Rock" are any more
    falsifiable than "Big Bang" or "Steady State", which aren't.

    Ockhamites are by no means the prevalent school,
    though, it's popular with shallow inconstant sorts.


    Do you, uh, believe everything Ockham says?

    You know if words do not have meaning than the
    words 'true' or 'false' do not have meaning.

    Do 'true' ideas have any greater value than
    'false' ideas?  Well if those words are meaningless
    then maybe not.

    As a general rule "true" is a stamp assigned by
    the society to ideas of value to allow them
    to cruise and "false" is a stamp assigned to
    ideas of negative value to block them.
    Distinguishing, however, is not easy and
    mistakes often happen.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Thu Apr 10 22:58:06 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    Stephen Hawking once asked:

    Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?

    If Stephen Hawking would like an answer
    to that question, has he ever consider
    asking a woman that question?

    I don't mean a woman scientist..

    i mean, just any woman.

    Where did Stephen Hawking get the idea he is
    entitled to know the answer?

    Is he Moses?

    I was under the impression that Stephen Hawking was an atheist.

    But he refers to the universe as a person, a being, a self that feels "bother"..

    Why is Stephen Hawking soooo bothered by a bothered universe?

    Mother Nature?

    Is something bothering her?

    Yous science guys make no sense...


    It appears that both Einstein and Hawking are using Philosophy (bother)
    to try
    to understand the universe...

    and that the universe is some hot and bothered irrational woman.

    Yous science people are certaintly not going to get the answers by being ...rational.

    put on a dress, some lipstick and walk the streets at night.

    Okay, I see yous people have not clue (including Stephen Hawking)...

    Stephen Hawking is searching for a 'rational' answer...

    Clue number one: The universe isn't 'bothered'..

    the reason Why numbers don't exist is because the universe is neither ratioanl or irrational.

    Imaginay numbers.


    Logic gots nothing to do with it.

    The Universe 'simply' is ...unaware.

    So, the universe is not 'bothered'.


    It has absolutely has no awareness you are here.


    And, (ask the math girls) there are no real numbers in a universe that is neither rational nor irrational.



    Look up there in the universe, (my gawd it's filled with rocks!) you see a lot of 'rocks'..

    rocks are neither rational nor irrational...

    they are not even ...bothered at all.


    Why does the rock go to all the bother of existing? Answer: No bother at all. It's just...there.















    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Fri Apr 11 15:44:50 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/10/25 3:32 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 4/10/25 2:20 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:




    The Universe is not an evolved biologcal system.



    Jan



    How do you know that? How can one state that as fact without having the
    means to check it?

    Ockham told me.

    Jan






    Hmm.. Ockham didn't tell you Einstein wrote that letter of
    recommendation himself?

    That is not the simplest explanation.

    Jan

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun Apr 13 12:17:22 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    Stephen Hawking once asked:

    Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?

    If Stephen Hawking would like an answer
    to that question, has he ever consider
    asking a woman that question?

    I don't mean a woman scientist..

    i mean, just any woman.

    Where did Stephen Hawking get the idea he is
    entitled to know the answer?

    Is he Moses?

    I was under the impression that Stephen Hawking was an atheist.

    But he refers to the universe as a person, a being, a self that feels "bother"..

    Why is Stephen Hawking soooo bothered by a bothered universe?

    Mother Nature?

    Is something bothering her?

    Yous science guys make no sense...


    It appears that both Einstein and Hawking are using Philosophy (bother) to try
    to understand the universe...

    and that the universe is some hot and bothered irrational woman.

    Yous science people are certaintly not going to get the answers by being ...rational.

    put on a dress, some lipstick and walk the streets at night.

    Okay, I see yous people have not clue (including Stephen Hawking)...

    Stephen Hawking is searching for a 'rational' answer...

    Clue number one: The universe isn't 'bothered'..

    the reason Why numbers don't exist is because the universe is neither ratioanl or irrational.

    Imaginay numbers.

    Logic gots nothing to do with it.

    The Universe 'simply' is ...unaware.

    So, the universe is not 'bothered'.

    It has absolutely has no awareness you are here.

    And, (ask the math girls) there are no real numbers in a universe that is neither rational nor irrational.

    Look up there in the universe, (my gawd it's filled with rocks!) you see a lot of 'rocks'..

    rocks are neither rational nor irrational...

    they are not even ...bothered at all.

    Why does the rock go to all the bother of existing? Answer: No bother at all. It's just...there.

    In a nutshell

    there are no real numbers
    there are no laws of physics
    there are no flying saucers
    from other space
    there is no life on other
    planets in the universe..
    there is no God
    or anything with
    any awareness at all.

    It's just...You here.



    Now, get off my fucking planet!

    That's right!

    MY Fucking Planet!


    Tell Musk to build you a fucking rocket to Mars and get the fuck out-of-here!!!!

    I don't care where you go just get off my fucking planet now!


    Go to one of those Red planets.







    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to starmaker@ix.netcom.com on Mon Apr 14 01:13:59 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 12:17:22 -0700, The Starmaker
    <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    Stephen Hawking once asked:

    Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?

    If Stephen Hawking would like an answer
    to that question, has he ever consider
    asking a woman that question?

    I don't mean a woman scientist..

    i mean, just any woman.

    Where did Stephen Hawking get the idea he is
    entitled to know the answer?

    Is he Moses?

    I was under the impression that Stephen Hawking was an atheist.

    But he refers to the universe as a person, a being, a self that feels >> > > > "bother"..

    Why is Stephen Hawking soooo bothered by a bothered universe?

    Mother Nature?

    Is something bothering her?

    Yous science guys make no sense...


    It appears that both Einstein and Hawking are using Philosophy (bother) >> > > to try
    to understand the universe...

    and that the universe is some hot and bothered irrational woman.

    Yous science people are certaintly not going to get the answers by being >> > > ...rational.

    put on a dress, some lipstick and walk the streets at night.

    Okay, I see yous people have not clue (including Stephen Hawking)...

    Stephen Hawking is searching for a 'rational' answer...

    Clue number one: The universe isn't 'bothered'..

    the reason Why numbers don't exist is because the universe is neither ratioanl or irrational.

    Imaginay numbers.

    Logic gots nothing to do with it.

    The Universe 'simply' is ...unaware.

    So, the universe is not 'bothered'.

    It has absolutely has no awareness you are here.

    And, (ask the math girls) there are no real numbers in a universe that is neither rational nor irrational.

    Look up there in the universe, (my gawd it's filled with rocks!) you see a lot of 'rocks'..

    rocks are neither rational nor irrational...

    they are not even ...bothered at all.

    Why does the rock go to all the bother of existing? Answer: No bother at all. It's just...there.

    In a nutshell

    there are no real numbers
    there are no laws of physics
    there are no flying saucers
    from other space
    there is no life on other
    planets in the universe..
    there is no God
    or anything with
    any awareness at all.

    It's just...You here.

    Nobody knows you're here.

    You don't know what are you doing here?

    You don't know what's going on here?

    You don't even know who you are anyway?

    You don't know Where you are?

    You don't know What you are?

    You don't know Who you are?

    None of yous knows who you are.

    Yous have no memory.

    No knowledge of what went before.

    No understanding of what is now.

    No knowledge of what will be.

    How long you we be here?

    You are all insane.

    I want everybody out...Now!

    Now, get off my fucking planet!

    That's right!

    MY Fucking Planet!

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat Apr 19 23:50:28 2025
    XPost: sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics

    The Starmaker wrote:

    On Sun, 13 Apr 2025 12:17:22 -0700, The Starmaker
    <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    The Starmaker wrote:

    Stephen Hawking once asked:

    Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?

    If Stephen Hawking would like an answer
    to that question, has he ever consider
    asking a woman that question?

    I don't mean a woman scientist..

    i mean, just any woman.

    Where did Stephen Hawking get the idea he is
    entitled to know the answer?

    Is he Moses?

    I was under the impression that Stephen Hawking was an atheist.

    But he refers to the universe as a person, a being, a self that feels
    "bother"..

    Why is Stephen Hawking soooo bothered by a bothered universe?

    Mother Nature?

    Is something bothering her?

    Yous science guys make no sense...


    It appears that both Einstein and Hawking are using Philosophy (bother)
    to try
    to understand the universe...

    and that the universe is some hot and bothered irrational woman.

    Yous science people are certaintly not going to get the answers by being
    ...rational.

    put on a dress, some lipstick and walk the streets at night.

    Okay, I see yous people have not clue (including Stephen Hawking)...

    Stephen Hawking is searching for a 'rational' answer...

    Clue number one: The universe isn't 'bothered'..

    the reason Why numbers don't exist is because the universe is neither ratioanl or irrational.

    Imaginay numbers.

    Logic gots nothing to do with it.

    The Universe 'simply' is ...unaware.

    So, the universe is not 'bothered'.

    It has absolutely has no awareness you are here.

    And, (ask the math girls) there are no real numbers in a universe that is neither rational nor irrational.

    Look up there in the universe, (my gawd it's filled with rocks!) you see a lot of 'rocks'..

    rocks are neither rational nor irrational...

    they are not even ...bothered at all.

    Why does the rock go to all the bother of existing? Answer: No bother at all. It's just...there.

    In a nutshell

    there are no real numbers
    there are no laws of physics
    there are no flying saucers
    from other space
    there is no life on other
    planets in the universe..
    there is no God
    or anything with
    any awareness at all.

    It's just...You here.

    Nobody knows you're here.

    You don't know what are you doing here?

    You don't know what's going on here?

    You don't even know who you are anyway?

    You don't know Where you are?

    You don't know What you are?

    You don't know Who you are?

    None of yous knows who you are.

    Yous have no memory.

    No knowledge of what went before.

    No understanding of what is now.

    No knowledge of what will be.

    How long you we be here?

    You are all insane.

    I want everybody out...Now!

    Now, get off my fucking planet!

    That's right!

    MY Fucking Planet!

    I heard that scientists want to kill everyone on earth and
    start all over again...but they don't know what to do with all the dead
    bodies.






    --
    The Starmaker -- To question the unquestionable, ask the unaskable,
    to think the unthinkable, mention the unmentionable, say the unsayable,
    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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