• CAS that can show me a trend [ODE Solutions]

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 20 22:56:12 2023
    1) Here Wolfram Alpha can show me a trend:
    Problem:
    y' = cos(t) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1 + t/200 + sin(t)/50 + 1/200 sin(t) cos(t)

    The trend is the linear non-periodic part t/200.

    2) But here Wolfram Alpha fails to show me a trend:
    Problem (real valued root):
    y' = cos(t)^(1/3) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1
    - 3/200 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 2/3, 5/3, cos^2(t))
    - 3/700 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 7/6, 13/6, cos^2(t))

    Doesn't show me a linear non-period part,
    but I guess it has one.

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend?

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Fri Oct 20 14:14:30 2023
    I can already eliminate FriCAS, at least the default
    integrate command doesn't produce a solution at all:

    /* Version: FriCAS 1.3.7, WSL2 */

    (2) -> integrate(cos(t)^(1/3)*(2+cos(t))/100, t)

    t 3+-------+
    ++ (cos(%A) + 2)\|cos(%A)
    (2) | ----------------------- d%A
    ++ 100

    Mild Shock schrieb am Freitag, 20. Oktober 2023 um 22:56:13 UTC+2:
    1) Here Wolfram Alpha can show me a trend:
    Problem:
    y' = cos(t) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1 + t/200 + sin(t)/50 + 1/200 sin(t) cos(t)

    The trend is the linear non-periodic part t/200.

    2) But here Wolfram Alpha fails to show me a trend:
    Problem (real valued root):
    y' = cos(t)^(1/3) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1
    - 3/200 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 2/3, 5/3, cos^2(t))
    - 3/700 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 7/6, 13/6, cos^2(t))

    Doesn't show me a linear non-period part,
    but I guess it has one.

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend?

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  • From Dr Huang (DrHuang.com)@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Mon Oct 30 16:57:55 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 07:56:13 UTC+11, Mild Shock wrote:
    1) Here Wolfram Alpha can show me a trend:
    Problem:
    y' = cos(t) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1 + t/200 + sin(t)/50 + 1/200 sin(t) cos(t)

    The trend is the linear non-periodic part t/200.

    2) But here Wolfram Alpha fails to show me a trend:
    Problem (real valued root):
    y' = cos(t)^(1/3) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1
    - 3/200 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 2/3, 5/3, cos^2(t))
    - 3/700 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 7/6, 13/6, cos^2(t))

    Doesn't show me a linear non-period part,
    but I guess it has one.

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend?
    mathHandbook.com can solve eq and auto plot its solution if variable is x, for your example
    http://server.drhuang.com/input/?guess=dsolve%28y%27+%3D+cos%28x%29%5E%281%2F3%29+*+%282+%2B+cos%28x%29%29+%29&inp=y%27+%3D+cos%28x%29%5E%281%2F3%29+*+%282+%2B+cos%28x%29%29+&lang=en

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  • From Dr Huang (DrHuang.com)@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Sat Nov 25 04:03:18 2023
    On Saturday, 21 October 2023 at 07:56:13 UTC+11, Mild Shock wrote:
    1) Here Wolfram Alpha can show me a trend:
    Problem:
    y' = cos(t) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1 + t/200 + sin(t)/50 + 1/200 sin(t) cos(t)

    The trend is the linear non-periodic part t/200.

    2) But here Wolfram Alpha fails to show me a trend:
    Problem (real valued root):
    y' = cos(t)^(1/3) * (2 + cos(t)) / 100
    Solution:
    y(t) = c_1
    - 3/200 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 2/3, 5/3, cos^2(t))
    - 3/700 sqrt(sin^2(t)) cos(t) cos(t)^(1/3) cot(t)
    2F1(1/2, 7/6, 13/6, cos^2(t))

    Doesn't show me a linear non-period part,
    but I guess it has one.

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend?
    Any CAS around that can show me a trend of y'-exp(y)-x-x*x=0 ?

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  • From Nasser M. Abbasi@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 25 08:13:07 2023
    On 11/25/2023 6:03 AM, Dr Huang (DrHuang.com) wrote:

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend of y'-exp(y)-x-x*x=0 ?

    I have no idea what "trend" of an ode mean. This is a new
    term for me that I still have not learned at school and
    first time I see it.

    But if you just mean the solution of the ode, this is an
    easy ode to solve. Just use the substitution u=exp(-y)
    which converts it to linear first order ode in u(x) which
    is solved using an integrating factor.

    Here is my solution attached with slope field plot.

    https://12000.org/tmp/solved_problems/nov_25_2023.pdf

    The only issue is that there remain unresolved integral.

    int( exp(1/3*x^3+1/2*x^2), x)

    Which could not be solved by Maple nor Mathematica nor Rubi so the
    solution has this unresolved integral in it.



    --Nasser

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  • From Dr Huang (DrHuang.com)@21:1/5 to Nasser M. Abbasi on Sat Nov 25 19:25:28 2023
    On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 01:13:11 UTC+11, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
    On 11/25/2023 6:03 AM, Dr Huang (DrHuang.com) wrote:

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend of y'-exp(y)-x-x*x=0 ?
    I have no idea what "trend" of an ode mean. This is a new
    term for me that I still have not learned at school and
    first time I see it.
    I think it is graphic solution.


    But if you just mean the solution of the ode, this is an
    easy ode to solve. Just use the substitution u=exp(-y)
    which converts it to linear first order ode in u(x) which
    is solved using an integrating factor.

    Here is my solution attached with slope field plot.

    https://12000.org/tmp/solved_problems/nov_25_2023.pdf

    The only issue is that there remain unresolved integral.

    int( exp(1/3*x^3+1/2*x^2), x)

    Which could not be solved by Maple nor Mathematica nor Rubi so the
    solution has this unresolved integral in it.
    mathHand.com found it with http://server.drhuang.com/input/?guess=dsolve(y(1,x)-exp(y)-x-x^2=0)




    --Nasser

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  • From Dr Huang (DrHuang.com)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 25 19:27:15 2023
    On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 14:25:30 UTC+11, Dr Huang (DrHuang.com) wrote:
    On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 01:13:11 UTC+11, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
    On 11/25/2023 6:03 AM, Dr Huang (DrHuang.com) wrote:

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend of y'-exp(y)-x-x*x=0 ?
    I have no idea what "trend" of an ode mean. This is a new
    term for me that I still have not learned at school and
    first time I see it.
    I think it is graphic solution.

    But if you just mean the solution of the ode, this is an
    easy ode to solve. Just use the substitution u=exp(-y)
    which converts it to linear first order ode in u(x) which
    is solved using an integrating factor.

    Here is my solution attached with slope field plot.

    https://12000.org/tmp/solved_problems/nov_25_2023.pdf

    The only issue is that there remain unresolved integral.

    int( exp(1/3*x^3+1/2*x^2), x)

    Which could not be solved by Maple nor Mathematica nor Rubi so the
    solution has this unresolved integral in it.
    mathHand.com found it with http://server.drhuang.com/input/?guess=dsolve(y(1,x)-exp(y)-x-x^2=0) &
    http://server.drhuang.com/input/?guess=dsolve(y(1,x)-exp(y)-x-x^2=0)&

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  • From Dr Huang (DrHuang.com)@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 25 19:28:29 2023
    On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 14:25:30 UTC+11, Dr Huang (DrHuang.com) wrote:
    On Sunday, 26 November 2023 at 01:13:11 UTC+11, Nasser M. Abbasi wrote:
    On 11/25/2023 6:03 AM, Dr Huang (DrHuang.com) wrote:

    Any CAS around that can show me a trend of y'-exp(y)-x-x*x=0 ?
    I have no idea what "trend" of an ode mean. This is a new
    term for me that I still have not learned at school and
    first time I see it.
    I think it is graphic solution.

    But if you just mean the solution of the ode, this is an
    easy ode to solve. Just use the substitution u=exp(-y)
    which converts it to linear first order ode in u(x) which
    is solved using an integrating factor.

    Here is my solution attached with slope field plot.

    https://12000.org/tmp/solved_problems/nov_25_2023.pdf

    The only issue is that there remain unresolved integral.

    int( exp(1/3*x^3+1/2*x^2), x)

    Which could not be solved by Maple nor Mathematica nor Rubi so the
    solution has this unresolved integral in it.
    mathHand.com found it with http://server.drhuang.com/input/?guess=dsolve(y(1,x)-exp(y)-x-x*x=0) &
    http://server.drhuang.com/input/?guess=dsolve(y(1,x)-exp(y)-x-x*x=0)&

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