https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1g7m74h/vaccinating_care_home_residents_reduced_deaths/
Vaccinating care home residents reduced deaths, but the effect was small
– new study
Published: October 18, 2024 8:42am EDT
Authors
David Paton
Chair of Industrial Economics, Nottingham University Business School, >University of Nottingham
Sourafel Girma
Professor of Industrial Economics, Faculty of Social Sciences,
University of Nottingham
Disclosure statement
David Paton is a member of HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team).
Sourafel Girma does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive
funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this >article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their
academic appointment.
Partners
University of Nottingham
University of Nottingham provides funding as a founding partner of The >Conversation UK.
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Vaccinating older people probably did avert some deaths in 2021, but the >effects were small. And even those small effects on mortality seem to
have dissipated during the booster programme. That’s the conclusion of
our new study, published in the European Economic Review.
COVID-related deaths decreased significantly in most of Europe and the
US from the middle of 2021. Although this reduction coincided with the >rollout of COVID vaccines, it has proved surprisingly difficult to
identify the extent to which vaccination contributed to the drop in deaths.
Randomised controlled trials (the gold standard for testing new
treatments) suggest COVID vaccination can provide significant protection >against serious illness and death relative to unvaccinated people who
have not previously been infected with COVID. But there are reasons the >effect of vaccination on mortality may be lower when viewed outside of >trials.
Early in the programme, there were hopes that vaccination would also
prove highly effective in preventing the spread of COVID but it has
since become clear that vaccination provides only limited and short-term >protection against infection and transmission.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts
It is also well established that a previous infection provides
protection both against reinfection and against serious illness and
death in the event of reinfection that is at least as effective as >vaccination. Having a previous infection significantly reduces the
likelihood of being vaccinated meaning the vaccinated population will
include a relatively high proportion of people without protection from
prior infection. So even if vaccination provides protection at an
individual level, we may still observe population-level mortality rates
that are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
The effectiveness of vaccination programmes may also be limited by
people’s behaviour. For example, there is evidence that vaccinated
people who get infected are more likely to have mild symptoms and this
may cause them to take fewer precautions than others against spreading >infection. As a result, vaccination may sometimes be associated with
more rather than less transmission.
Taken together, even if vaccination reduces the risk on an individual
basis, it does not necessarily follow that it will reduce deaths at a >population level. Existing research reflects this ambiguity with some >research finding very significant effects of vaccination on death while
other findings conclude there was little or no effect at all.
Our new study attempts to improve our knowledge about the effect of
COVID vaccination programmes by estimating the effect of vaccination
take up on deaths in care homes. This is a particularly important group
to examine. Given that the vast majority of COVID-related deaths occur
in the elderly, any effect on deaths is highly likely to be seen in care >homes.
An ampoule of AstraZeneca vaccine with a syringe.
COVID vaccines reduced serious illness and deaths, but they did little
to stop infection and transmission. Marc Bruxelle /Alamy Stock Photo
Machine learning used to analyse the data
We examined deaths from COVID in care homes across nearly 150 local >authorities in England from the start of the vaccine rollout in December
2020 until after the second booster dose in summer 2022. We tested
whether higher rates of vaccination of staff and elderly residents led
to fewer deaths both in total and from COVID.
One feature of our research is the use of machine learning (a type of >artificial intelligence) to isolate the effect of vaccination from other >factors that may also have affected mortality including levels of prior >infection as well as demographic, economic and health differences among
local authorities.
Machine learning is particularly adept at separating out the effects of
a high number of potential explanatory variables, providing much better >evidence of when associations represent true causal relationships. In >contrast to some other research, we also use a measure of vaccination
that takes account of the fact that effectiveness wanes over time.
We found that higher vaccination rates of residents (but not of staff)
did indeed lead to fewer deaths, but the effect was relatively small.
For example, an increase in the resident vaccination take-up rate of 10%
in a local authority caused, on average, a reduction of 1% in the total
care home mortality rate. That is equivalent to about 22 fewer deaths
per week nationwide.
Of course, any reduction in deaths is welcome. But vaccination does not >appear to be the key factor in reducing care home deaths from COVID. We
also found that the reduction in deaths was restricted to the initial >vaccination rollout.
From September 2021, when the booster vaccination programme started in
England, higher vaccination rates of elderly residents do not seem to
have led to any reduction in deaths. Based on these results, vaccination
is unlikely to have been responsible for the sustained fall in
COVID-related deaths.
Why then did Europe and the US experience large reductions in COVID
deaths since 2021, even during times when infection rates have soared?
There are two explanations. The first is the growth of variants such as >omicron that, although highly infectious, are less deadly than variants >responsible for the early waves.
Second, is the rise in the cumulative number of people who gained
protection from having had previous infections.
These explanations are consistent with the experience of places such as
Hong Kong, New Zealand and Taiwan. All saw relatively low COVID
infections and deaths in 2020, meaning only limited levels of natural >immunity had been built up. All then experienced high mortality rates
during 2022, well after most people in those places had been vaccinated.
For example, the seven-day average mortality rate in Hong Kong reached
40 deaths per million in March 2022, a rate far above the highest peak
seen in the US during the whole pandemic despite cumulative vaccination
rates at that time being similar.
Even though vaccination probably reduced care home deaths by a small
amount in the early rollout period, there is little evidence that the
booster programme had any significant effect on COVID-related deaths.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:14:48 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1g7m74h/vaccinating_care_home_residents_reduced_deaths/
Vaccinating care home residents reduced deaths, but the effect was small
– new study
Published: October 18, 2024 8:42am EDT
Authors
David Paton
Chair of Industrial Economics, Nottingham University Business School,
University of Nottingham
Sourafel Girma
Professor of Industrial Economics, Faculty of Social Sciences,
University of Nottingham
Disclosure statement
David Paton is a member of HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team).
Sourafel Girma does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive
funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this
article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their
academic appointment.
Partners
University of Nottingham
University of Nottingham provides funding as a founding partner of The
Conversation UK.
View all partners
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Vaccinating older people probably did avert some deaths in 2021, but the
effects were small. And even those small effects on mortality seem to
have dissipated during the booster programme. That’s the conclusion of
our new study, published in the European Economic Review.
COVID-related deaths decreased significantly in most of Europe and the
US from the middle of 2021. Although this reduction coincided with the
rollout of COVID vaccines, it has proved surprisingly difficult to
identify the extent to which vaccination contributed to the drop in deaths. >>
Randomised controlled trials (the gold standard for testing new
treatments) suggest COVID vaccination can provide significant protection
against serious illness and death relative to unvaccinated people who
have not previously been infected with COVID. But there are reasons the
effect of vaccination on mortality may be lower when viewed outside of
trials.
Early in the programme, there were hopes that vaccination would also
prove highly effective in preventing the spread of COVID but it has
since become clear that vaccination provides only limited and short-term
protection against infection and transmission.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts
It is also well established that a previous infection provides
protection both against reinfection and against serious illness and
death in the event of reinfection that is at least as effective as
vaccination. Having a previous infection significantly reduces the
likelihood of being vaccinated meaning the vaccinated population will
include a relatively high proportion of people without protection from
prior infection. So even if vaccination provides protection at an
individual level, we may still observe population-level mortality rates
that are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
The effectiveness of vaccination programmes may also be limited by
people’s behaviour. For example, there is evidence that vaccinated
people who get infected are more likely to have mild symptoms and this
may cause them to take fewer precautions than others against spreading
infection. As a result, vaccination may sometimes be associated with
more rather than less transmission.
Taken together, even if vaccination reduces the risk on an individual
basis, it does not necessarily follow that it will reduce deaths at a
population level. Existing research reflects this ambiguity with some
research finding very significant effects of vaccination on death while
other findings conclude there was little or no effect at all.
Our new study attempts to improve our knowledge about the effect of
COVID vaccination programmes by estimating the effect of vaccination
take up on deaths in care homes. This is a particularly important group
to examine. Given that the vast majority of COVID-related deaths occur
in the elderly, any effect on deaths is highly likely to be seen in care
homes.
An ampoule of AstraZeneca vaccine with a syringe.
COVID vaccines reduced serious illness and deaths, but they did little
to stop infection and transmission. Marc Bruxelle /Alamy Stock Photo
Machine learning used to analyse the data
We examined deaths from COVID in care homes across nearly 150 local
authorities in England from the start of the vaccine rollout in December
2020 until after the second booster dose in summer 2022. We tested
whether higher rates of vaccination of staff and elderly residents led
to fewer deaths both in total and from COVID.
One feature of our research is the use of machine learning (a type of
artificial intelligence) to isolate the effect of vaccination from other
factors that may also have affected mortality including levels of prior
infection as well as demographic, economic and health differences among
local authorities.
Machine learning is particularly adept at separating out the effects of
a high number of potential explanatory variables, providing much better
evidence of when associations represent true causal relationships. In
contrast to some other research, we also use a measure of vaccination
that takes account of the fact that effectiveness wanes over time.
We found that higher vaccination rates of residents (but not of staff)
did indeed lead to fewer deaths, but the effect was relatively small.
For example, an increase in the resident vaccination take-up rate of 10%
in a local authority caused, on average, a reduction of 1% in the total
care home mortality rate. That is equivalent to about 22 fewer deaths
per week nationwide.
Of course, any reduction in deaths is welcome. But vaccination does not
appear to be the key factor in reducing care home deaths from COVID. We
also found that the reduction in deaths was restricted to the initial
vaccination rollout.
From September 2021, when the booster vaccination programme started in
England, higher vaccination rates of elderly residents do not seem to
have led to any reduction in deaths. Based on these results, vaccination
is unlikely to have been responsible for the sustained fall in
COVID-related deaths.
Why then did Europe and the US experience large reductions in COVID
deaths since 2021, even during times when infection rates have soared?
There are two explanations. The first is the growth of variants such as
omicron that, although highly infectious, are less deadly than variants
responsible for the early waves.
Second, is the rise in the cumulative number of people who gained
protection from having had previous infections.
These explanations are consistent with the experience of places such as
Hong Kong, New Zealand and Taiwan. All saw relatively low COVID
infections and deaths in 2020, meaning only limited levels of natural
immunity had been built up. All then experienced high mortality rates
during 2022, well after most people in those places had been vaccinated.
For example, the seven-day average mortality rate in Hong Kong reached
40 deaths per million in March 2022, a rate far above the highest peak
seen in the US during the whole pandemic despite cumulative vaccination
rates at that time being similar.
Even though vaccination probably reduced care home deaths by a small
amount in the early rollout period, there is little evidence that the
booster programme had any significant effect on COVID-related deaths.
In the interim, we are 100% prepared/protected in the "full armor of
GOD" (Ephesians 6:11) which we put on as soon as we use Apostle Paul's
secret (Philippians 4:12). Though masking is less protective, it helps
us avoid the appearance of doing the evil of spreading airborne
pathogens while there are people getting sick because of not being
100% protected. It is written that we're to "abstain from **all**
appearance of doing evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22 w/**emphasis**).
Meanwhile, the only *perfect* (Matt 5:47-8 ) way to eradicate the
COVID-19 virus, thereby saving lives, in the UK & elsewhere is by
rapidly (i.e. use the "Rapid COVID-19 Test" ) finding out at any given moment, including even while on-line, who among us are unwittingly
contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
"convince it forward" (John 15:12) for them to call their doctor and self-quarantine per their doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic.
Thus, we're hoping for the best while preparing for the worse-case
scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations and others like the Omicron,
Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations
combining via slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like "Deltamicron"
that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no
longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/6ZoE95d-VKc/m/14vVZoyOBgAJ
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:14:48 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
<GOOK DRIVEL DELETED>
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry ( >https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/6ZoE95d-VKc/m/14vVZoyOBgAJ
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Psalms
81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: >open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of >the wicked is in need.
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by >giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, >> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is >> not in us.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 21:38:32 -0400, HeartDoc Andrew
<disciple@T3WiJ.com> wrote:
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:14:48 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
<GOOK DRIVEL DELETED>
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry (
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/6ZoE95d-VKc/m/14vVZoyOBgAJ >> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
Is this how you and Ejercito feed your 'healthy appetite?Does that picture arouse you?
https://postimg.cc/mhpmTPQz
So how are you ?
He's like you, a slant-eyed parasite.
Michael Ejercito wrote:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1g7m74h/vaccinating_care_home_residents_reduced_deaths/
Vaccinating care home residents reduced deaths, but the effect was small >>>> – new study
Published: October 18, 2024 8:42am EDT
Authors
David Paton
Chair of Industrial Economics, Nottingham University Business School,
University of Nottingham
Sourafel Girma
Professor of Industrial Economics, Faculty of Social Sciences,
University of Nottingham
Disclosure statement
David Paton is a member of HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team).
Sourafel Girma does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive
funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this
article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their
academic appointment.
Partners
University of Nottingham
University of Nottingham provides funding as a founding partner of The >>>> Conversation UK.
View all partners
CC BY ND
We believe in the free flow of information
Republish our articles for free, online or in print, under a Creative
Commons license.
X (Twitter)
Facebook15
Vaccinating older people probably did avert some deaths in 2021, but the >>>> effects were small. And even those small effects on mortality seem to
have dissipated during the booster programme. That’s the conclusion of >>>> our new study, published in the European Economic Review.
COVID-related deaths decreased significantly in most of Europe and the >>>> US from the middle of 2021. Although this reduction coincided with the >>>> rollout of COVID vaccines, it has proved surprisingly difficult to
identify the extent to which vaccination contributed to the drop in deaths.
Randomised controlled trials (the gold standard for testing new
treatments) suggest COVID vaccination can provide significant protection >>>> against serious illness and death relative to unvaccinated people who
have not previously been infected with COVID. But there are reasons the >>>> effect of vaccination on mortality may be lower when viewed outside of >>>> trials.
Early in the programme, there were hopes that vaccination would also
prove highly effective in preventing the spread of COVID but it has
since become clear that vaccination provides only limited and short-term >>>> protection against infection and transmission.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts >>>> It is also well established that a previous infection provides
protection both against reinfection and against serious illness and
death in the event of reinfection that is at least as effective as
vaccination. Having a previous infection significantly reduces the
likelihood of being vaccinated meaning the vaccinated population will
include a relatively high proportion of people without protection from >>>> prior infection. So even if vaccination provides protection at an
individual level, we may still observe population-level mortality rates >>>> that are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
The effectiveness of vaccination programmes may also be limited by
people’s behaviour. For example, there is evidence that vaccinated
people who get infected are more likely to have mild symptoms and this >>>> may cause them to take fewer precautions than others against spreading >>>> infection. As a result, vaccination may sometimes be associated with
more rather than less transmission.
Taken together, even if vaccination reduces the risk on an individual
basis, it does not necessarily follow that it will reduce deaths at a
population level. Existing research reflects this ambiguity with some
research finding very significant effects of vaccination on death while >>>> other findings conclude there was little or no effect at all.
Our new study attempts to improve our knowledge about the effect of
COVID vaccination programmes by estimating the effect of vaccination
take up on deaths in care homes. This is a particularly important group >>>> to examine. Given that the vast majority of COVID-related deaths occur >>>> in the elderly, any effect on deaths is highly likely to be seen in care >>>> homes.
An ampoule of AstraZeneca vaccine with a syringe.
COVID vaccines reduced serious illness and deaths, but they did little >>>> to stop infection and transmission. Marc Bruxelle /Alamy Stock Photo
Machine learning used to analyse the data
We examined deaths from COVID in care homes across nearly 150 local
authorities in England from the start of the vaccine rollout in December >>>> 2020 until after the second booster dose in summer 2022. We tested
whether higher rates of vaccination of staff and elderly residents led >>>> to fewer deaths both in total and from COVID.
One feature of our research is the use of machine learning (a type of
artificial intelligence) to isolate the effect of vaccination from other >>>> factors that may also have affected mortality including levels of prior >>>> infection as well as demographic, economic and health differences among >>>> local authorities.
Machine learning is particularly adept at separating out the effects of >>>> a high number of potential explanatory variables, providing much better >>>> evidence of when associations represent true causal relationships. In
contrast to some other research, we also use a measure of vaccination
that takes account of the fact that effectiveness wanes over time.
We found that higher vaccination rates of residents (but not of staff) >>>> did indeed lead to fewer deaths, but the effect was relatively small.
For example, an increase in the resident vaccination take-up rate of 10% >>>> in a local authority caused, on average, a reduction of 1% in the total >>>> care home mortality rate. That is equivalent to about 22 fewer deaths
per week nationwide.
Of course, any reduction in deaths is welcome. But vaccination does not >>>> appear to be the key factor in reducing care home deaths from COVID. We >>>> also found that the reduction in deaths was restricted to the initial
vaccination rollout.
From September 2021, when the booster vaccination programme started in >>>> England, higher vaccination rates of elderly residents do not seem to
have led to any reduction in deaths. Based on these results, vaccination >>>> is unlikely to have been responsible for the sustained fall in
COVID-related deaths.
Why then did Europe and the US experience large reductions in COVID
deaths since 2021, even during times when infection rates have soared? >>>>
There are two explanations. The first is the growth of variants such as >>>> omicron that, although highly infectious, are less deadly than variants >>>> responsible for the early waves.
Second, is the rise in the cumulative number of people who gained
protection from having had previous infections.
These explanations are consistent with the experience of places such as >>>> Hong Kong, New Zealand and Taiwan. All saw relatively low COVID
infections and deaths in 2020, meaning only limited levels of natural
immunity had been built up. All then experienced high mortality rates
during 2022, well after most people in those places had been vaccinated. >>>>
For example, the seven-day average mortality rate in Hong Kong reached >>>> 40 deaths per million in March 2022, a rate far above the highest peak >>>> seen in the US during the whole pandemic despite cumulative vaccination >>>> rates at that time being similar.
Even though vaccination probably reduced care home deaths by a small
amount in the early rollout period, there is little evidence that the
booster programme had any significant effect on COVID-related deaths.
In the interim, we are 100% prepared/protected in the "full armor of
GOD" (Ephesians 6:11) which we put on as soon as we use Apostle Paul's
secret (Philippians 4:12). Though masking is less protective, it helps
us avoid the appearance of doing the evil of spreading airborne
pathogens while there are people getting sick because of not being
100% protected. It is written that we're to "abstain from **all**
appearance of doing evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22 w/**emphasis**).
Meanwhile, the only *perfect* (Matt 5:47-8 ) way to eradicate the
COVID-19 virus, thereby saving lives, in the UK & elsewhere is by
rapidly (i.e. use the "Rapid COVID-19 Test" ) finding out at any given
moment, including even while on-line, who among us are unwittingly
contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
"convince it forward" (John 15:12) for them to call their doctor and
self-quarantine per their doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic.
Thus, we're hoping for the best while preparing for the worse-case
scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations and others like the Omicron,
Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations
combining via slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like "Deltamicron"
that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no
longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry (
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/6ZoE95d-VKc/m/14vVZoyOBgAJ >>> ) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
I am wonderfully hungry!
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to "convince it forward" (John 15:12) with
all glory (Psalm112:1) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Psalms
81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: >open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of >the wicked is in need.
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by >giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, >> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is >> not in us.
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Michael Ejercito wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1g7m74h/vaccinating_care_home_residents_reduced_deaths/In the interim, we are 100% prepared/protected in the "full armor of
Vaccinating care home residents reduced deaths, but the effect was small >>>>> – new study
Published: October 18, 2024 8:42am EDT
Authors
David Paton
Chair of Industrial Economics, Nottingham University Business School, >>>>> University of Nottingham
Sourafel Girma
Professor of Industrial Economics, Faculty of Social Sciences,
University of Nottingham
Disclosure statement
David Paton is a member of HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team). >>>>>
Sourafel Girma does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive
funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this >>>>> article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their
academic appointment.
Partners
University of Nottingham
University of Nottingham provides funding as a founding partner of The >>>>> Conversation UK.
View all partners
CC BY ND
We believe in the free flow of information
Republish our articles for free, online or in print, under a Creative >>>>> Commons license.
X (Twitter)
Facebook15
Vaccinating older people probably did avert some deaths in 2021, but the >>>>> effects were small. And even those small effects on mortality seem to >>>>> have dissipated during the booster programme. That’s the conclusion of >>>>> our new study, published in the European Economic Review.
COVID-related deaths decreased significantly in most of Europe and the >>>>> US from the middle of 2021. Although this reduction coincided with the >>>>> rollout of COVID vaccines, it has proved surprisingly difficult to
identify the extent to which vaccination contributed to the drop in deaths.
Randomised controlled trials (the gold standard for testing new
treatments) suggest COVID vaccination can provide significant protection >>>>> against serious illness and death relative to unvaccinated people who >>>>> have not previously been infected with COVID. But there are reasons the >>>>> effect of vaccination on mortality may be lower when viewed outside of >>>>> trials.
Early in the programme, there were hopes that vaccination would also >>>>> prove highly effective in preventing the spread of COVID but it has
since become clear that vaccination provides only limited and short-term >>>>> protection against infection and transmission.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts >>>>> It is also well established that a previous infection provides
protection both against reinfection and against serious illness and
death in the event of reinfection that is at least as effective as
vaccination. Having a previous infection significantly reduces the
likelihood of being vaccinated meaning the vaccinated population will >>>>> include a relatively high proportion of people without protection from >>>>> prior infection. So even if vaccination provides protection at an
individual level, we may still observe population-level mortality rates >>>>> that are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
The effectiveness of vaccination programmes may also be limited by
people’s behaviour. For example, there is evidence that vaccinated
people who get infected are more likely to have mild symptoms and this >>>>> may cause them to take fewer precautions than others against spreading >>>>> infection. As a result, vaccination may sometimes be associated with >>>>> more rather than less transmission.
Taken together, even if vaccination reduces the risk on an individual >>>>> basis, it does not necessarily follow that it will reduce deaths at a >>>>> population level. Existing research reflects this ambiguity with some >>>>> research finding very significant effects of vaccination on death while >>>>> other findings conclude there was little or no effect at all.
Our new study attempts to improve our knowledge about the effect of
COVID vaccination programmes by estimating the effect of vaccination >>>>> take up on deaths in care homes. This is a particularly important group >>>>> to examine. Given that the vast majority of COVID-related deaths occur >>>>> in the elderly, any effect on deaths is highly likely to be seen in care >>>>> homes.
An ampoule of AstraZeneca vaccine with a syringe.
COVID vaccines reduced serious illness and deaths, but they did little >>>>> to stop infection and transmission. Marc Bruxelle /Alamy Stock Photo >>>>> Machine learning used to analyse the data
We examined deaths from COVID in care homes across nearly 150 local
authorities in England from the start of the vaccine rollout in December >>>>> 2020 until after the second booster dose in summer 2022. We tested
whether higher rates of vaccination of staff and elderly residents led >>>>> to fewer deaths both in total and from COVID.
One feature of our research is the use of machine learning (a type of >>>>> artificial intelligence) to isolate the effect of vaccination from other >>>>> factors that may also have affected mortality including levels of prior >>>>> infection as well as demographic, economic and health differences among >>>>> local authorities.
Machine learning is particularly adept at separating out the effects of >>>>> a high number of potential explanatory variables, providing much better >>>>> evidence of when associations represent true causal relationships. In >>>>> contrast to some other research, we also use a measure of vaccination >>>>> that takes account of the fact that effectiveness wanes over time.
We found that higher vaccination rates of residents (but not of staff) >>>>> did indeed lead to fewer deaths, but the effect was relatively small. >>>>> For example, an increase in the resident vaccination take-up rate of 10% >>>>> in a local authority caused, on average, a reduction of 1% in the total >>>>> care home mortality rate. That is equivalent to about 22 fewer deaths >>>>> per week nationwide.
Of course, any reduction in deaths is welcome. But vaccination does not >>>>> appear to be the key factor in reducing care home deaths from COVID. We >>>>> also found that the reduction in deaths was restricted to the initial >>>>> vaccination rollout.
From September 2021, when the booster vaccination programme started in >>>>> England, higher vaccination rates of elderly residents do not seem to >>>>> have led to any reduction in deaths. Based on these results, vaccination >>>>> is unlikely to have been responsible for the sustained fall in
COVID-related deaths.
Why then did Europe and the US experience large reductions in COVID
deaths since 2021, even during times when infection rates have soared? >>>>>
There are two explanations. The first is the growth of variants such as >>>>> omicron that, although highly infectious, are less deadly than variants >>>>> responsible for the early waves.
Second, is the rise in the cumulative number of people who gained
protection from having had previous infections.
These explanations are consistent with the experience of places such as >>>>> Hong Kong, New Zealand and Taiwan. All saw relatively low COVID
infections and deaths in 2020, meaning only limited levels of natural >>>>> immunity had been built up. All then experienced high mortality rates >>>>> during 2022, well after most people in those places had been vaccinated. >>>>>
For example, the seven-day average mortality rate in Hong Kong reached >>>>> 40 deaths per million in March 2022, a rate far above the highest peak >>>>> seen in the US during the whole pandemic despite cumulative vaccination >>>>> rates at that time being similar.
Even though vaccination probably reduced care home deaths by a small >>>>> amount in the early rollout period, there is little evidence that the >>>>> booster programme had any significant effect on COVID-related deaths. >>>>
GOD" (Ephesians 6:11) which we put on as soon as we use Apostle Paul's >>>> secret (Philippians 4:12). Though masking is less protective, it helps >>>> us avoid the appearance of doing the evil of spreading airborne
pathogens while there are people getting sick because of not being
100% protected. It is written that we're to "abstain from **all**
appearance of doing evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22 w/**emphasis**).
Meanwhile, the only *perfect* (Matt 5:47-8 ) way to eradicate the
COVID-19 virus, thereby saving lives, in the UK & elsewhere is by
rapidly (i.e. use the "Rapid COVID-19 Test" ) finding out at any given >>>> moment, including even while on-line, who among us are unwittingly
contagious (i.e pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic) in order to
"convince it forward" (John 15:12) for them to call their doctor and
self-quarantine per their doctor in hopes of stopping this pandemic.
Thus, we're hoping for the best while preparing for the worse-case
scenario of the Alpha lineage mutations and others like the Omicron,
Gamma, Beta, Epsilon, Iota, Lambda, Mu & Delta lineage mutations
combining via slip-RNA-replication to form hybrids like "Deltamicron"
that may render current COVID vaccines/monoclonals/medicines/pills no
longer effective.
Indeed, I am wonderfully hungry (
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.med.cardiology/c/6ZoE95d-VKc/m/14vVZoyOBgAJ
) and hope you, Michael, also have a healthy appetite too.
So how are you ?
I am wonderfully hungry!
While wonderfully hungry in the Holy Spirit, Who causes (Deuteronomy
8:3) us to hunger, I note that you, Michael, are rapture ready (Luke
17:37 means no COVID just as eagles circling over their food have no
COVID) and pray (2 Chronicles 7:14) that our Everlasting (Isaiah 9:6)
Father in Heaven continues to give us "much more" (Luke 11:13) Holy
Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23) so that we'd have much more of His Help to
always say/write that we're "wonderfully hungry" in **all** ways
including especially caring to "convince it forward" (John 15:12) with
all glory (Psalm112:1) to GOD (aka HaShem, Elohim, Abba, DEO), in
the name (John 16:23) of LORD Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Amen.
Laus DEO !
Thank you for noting that I have no COVID.
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Psalms
81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: >open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of >the wicked is in need.
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by >giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, >> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is >> not in us.
HeartDoc Andrew wrote:
I am wonderfully hungry!
<FLUSH GOOK GIBBERISH>
So how are you ?
Michael
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1g7m74h/vaccinating_care_home_residents_reduced_deaths/
Vaccinating care home residents reduced deaths, but the effect was small
– new study
Published: October 18, 2024 8:42am EDT
Authors
David Paton
Chair of Industrial Economics, Nottingham University Business School, >University of Nottingham
Sourafel Girma
Professor of Industrial Economics, Faculty of Social Sciences,
University of Nottingham
Disclosure statement
David Paton is a member of HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team).
Sourafel Girma does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive
funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this >article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their
academic appointment.
Partners
University of Nottingham
University of Nottingham provides funding as a founding partner of The >Conversation UK.
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Vaccinating older people probably did avert some deaths in 2021, but the >effects were small. And even those small effects on mortality seem to
have dissipated during the booster programme. That’s the conclusion of
our new study, published in the European Economic Review.
COVID-related deaths decreased significantly in most of Europe and the
US from the middle of 2021. Although this reduction coincided with the >rollout of COVID vaccines, it has proved surprisingly difficult to
identify the extent to which vaccination contributed to the drop in deaths.
Randomised controlled trials (the gold standard for testing new
treatments) suggest COVID vaccination can provide significant protection >against serious illness and death relative to unvaccinated people who
have not previously been infected with COVID. But there are reasons the >effect of vaccination on mortality may be lower when viewed outside of >trials.
Early in the programme, there were hopes that vaccination would also
prove highly effective in preventing the spread of COVID but it has
since become clear that vaccination provides only limited and short-term >protection against infection and transmission.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts
It is also well established that a previous infection provides
protection both against reinfection and against serious illness and
death in the event of reinfection that is at least as effective as >vaccination. Having a previous infection significantly reduces the
likelihood of being vaccinated meaning the vaccinated population will
include a relatively high proportion of people without protection from
prior infection. So even if vaccination provides protection at an
individual level, we may still observe population-level mortality rates
that are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
The effectiveness of vaccination programmes may also be limited by
people’s behaviour. For example, there is evidence that vaccinated
people who get infected are more likely to have mild symptoms and this
may cause them to take fewer precautions than others against spreading >infection. As a result, vaccination may sometimes be associated with
more rather than less transmission.
Taken together, even if vaccination reduces the risk on an individual
basis, it does not necessarily follow that it will reduce deaths at a >population level. Existing research reflects this ambiguity with some >research finding very significant effects of vaccination on death while
other findings conclude there was little or no effect at all.
Our new study attempts to improve our knowledge about the effect of
COVID vaccination programmes by estimating the effect of vaccination
take up on deaths in care homes. This is a particularly important group
to examine. Given that the vast majority of COVID-related deaths occur
in the elderly, any effect on deaths is highly likely to be seen in care >homes.
An ampoule of AstraZeneca vaccine with a syringe.
COVID vaccines reduced serious illness and deaths, but they did little
to stop infection and transmission. Marc Bruxelle /Alamy Stock Photo
Machine learning used to analyse the data
We examined deaths from COVID in care homes across nearly 150 local >authorities in England from the start of the vaccine rollout in December
2020 until after the second booster dose in summer 2022. We tested
whether higher rates of vaccination of staff and elderly residents led
to fewer deaths both in total and from COVID.
One feature of our research is the use of machine learning (a type of >artificial intelligence) to isolate the effect of vaccination from other >factors that may also have affected mortality including levels of prior >infection as well as demographic, economic and health differences among
local authorities.
Machine learning is particularly adept at separating out the effects of
a high number of potential explanatory variables, providing much better >evidence of when associations represent true causal relationships. In >contrast to some other research, we also use a measure of vaccination
that takes account of the fact that effectiveness wanes over time.
We found that higher vaccination rates of residents (but not of staff)
did indeed lead to fewer deaths, but the effect was relatively small.
For example, an increase in the resident vaccination take-up rate of 10%
in a local authority caused, on average, a reduction of 1% in the total
care home mortality rate. That is equivalent to about 22 fewer deaths
per week nationwide.
Of course, any reduction in deaths is welcome. But vaccination does not >appear to be the key factor in reducing care home deaths from COVID. We
also found that the reduction in deaths was restricted to the initial >vaccination rollout.
From September 2021, when the booster vaccination programme started in
England, higher vaccination rates of elderly residents do not seem to
have led to any reduction in deaths. Based on these results, vaccination
is unlikely to have been responsible for the sustained fall in
COVID-related deaths.
Why then did Europe and the US experience large reductions in COVID
deaths since 2021, even during times when infection rates have soared?
There are two explanations. The first is the growth of variants such as >omicron that, although highly infectious, are less deadly than variants >responsible for the early waves.
Second, is the rise in the cumulative number of people who gained
protection from having had previous infections.
These explanations are consistent with the experience of places such as
Hong Kong, New Zealand and Taiwan. All saw relatively low COVID
infections and deaths in 2020, meaning only limited levels of natural >immunity had been built up. All then experienced high mortality rates
during 2022, well after most people in those places had been vaccinated.
For example, the seven-day average mortality rate in Hong Kong reached
40 deaths per million in March 2022, a rate far above the highest peak
seen in the US during the whole pandemic despite cumulative vaccination
rates at that time being similar.
Even though vaccination probably reduced care home deaths by a small
amount in the early rollout period, there is little evidence that the
booster programme had any significant effect on COVID-related deaths.
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Psalms
81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: >open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of >the wicked is in need.
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by >giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, >> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is >> not in us.
On Sun, 20 Oct 2024 18:14:48 -0700, Michael Ejercito
<MEjercit@HotMail.com> wrote:
https://www.reddit.com/r/LockdownSkepticism/comments/1g7m74h/vaccinating_care_home_residents_reduced_deaths/
Vaccinating care home residents reduced deaths, but the effect was small
– new study
Published: October 18, 2024 8:42am EDT
Authors
David Paton
Chair of Industrial Economics, Nottingham University Business School,
University of Nottingham
Sourafel Girma
Professor of Industrial Economics, Faculty of Social Sciences,
University of Nottingham
Disclosure statement
David Paton is a member of HART (Health Advisory and Recovery Team).
Sourafel Girma does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive
funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this
article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond their
academic appointment.
Partners
University of Nottingham
University of Nottingham provides funding as a founding partner of The
Conversation UK.
View all partners
CC BY ND
We believe in the free flow of information
Republish our articles for free, online or in print, under a Creative
Commons license.
X (Twitter)
Facebook15
Vaccinating older people probably did avert some deaths in 2021, but the
effects were small. And even those small effects on mortality seem to
have dissipated during the booster programme. That’s the conclusion of
our new study, published in the European Economic Review.
COVID-related deaths decreased significantly in most of Europe and the
US from the middle of 2021. Although this reduction coincided with the
rollout of COVID vaccines, it has proved surprisingly difficult to
identify the extent to which vaccination contributed to the drop in deaths. >>
Randomised controlled trials (the gold standard for testing new
treatments) suggest COVID vaccination can provide significant protection
against serious illness and death relative to unvaccinated people who
have not previously been infected with COVID. But there are reasons the
effect of vaccination on mortality may be lower when viewed outside of
trials.
Early in the programme, there were hopes that vaccination would also
prove highly effective in preventing the spread of COVID but it has
since become clear that vaccination provides only limited and short-term
protection against infection and transmission.
Don’t let yourself be misled. Understand issues with help from experts
It is also well established that a previous infection provides
protection both against reinfection and against serious illness and
death in the event of reinfection that is at least as effective as
vaccination. Having a previous infection significantly reduces the
likelihood of being vaccinated meaning the vaccinated population will
include a relatively high proportion of people without protection from
prior infection. So even if vaccination provides protection at an
individual level, we may still observe population-level mortality rates
that are similar for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups.
The effectiveness of vaccination programmes may also be limited by
people’s behaviour. For example, there is evidence that vaccinated
people who get infected are more likely to have mild symptoms and this
may cause them to take fewer precautions than others against spreading
infection. As a result, vaccination may sometimes be associated with
more rather than less transmission.
Taken together, even if vaccination reduces the risk on an individual
basis, it does not necessarily follow that it will reduce deaths at a
population level. Existing research reflects this ambiguity with some
research finding very significant effects of vaccination on death while
other findings conclude there was little or no effect at all.
Our new study attempts to improve our knowledge about the effect of
COVID vaccination programmes by estimating the effect of vaccination
take up on deaths in care homes. This is a particularly important group
to examine. Given that the vast majority of COVID-related deaths occur
in the elderly, any effect on deaths is highly likely to be seen in care
homes.
An ampoule of AstraZeneca vaccine with a syringe.
COVID vaccines reduced serious illness and deaths, but they did little
to stop infection and transmission. Marc Bruxelle /Alamy Stock Photo
Machine learning used to analyse the data
We examined deaths from COVID in care homes across nearly 150 local
authorities in England from the start of the vaccine rollout in December
2020 until after the second booster dose in summer 2022. We tested
whether higher rates of vaccination of staff and elderly residents led
to fewer deaths both in total and from COVID.
One feature of our research is the use of machine learning (a type of
artificial intelligence) to isolate the effect of vaccination from other
factors that may also have affected mortality including levels of prior
infection as well as demographic, economic and health differences among
local authorities.
Machine learning is particularly adept at separating out the effects of
a high number of potential explanatory variables, providing much better
evidence of when associations represent true causal relationships. In
contrast to some other research, we also use a measure of vaccination
that takes account of the fact that effectiveness wanes over time.
We found that higher vaccination rates of residents (but not of staff)
did indeed lead to fewer deaths, but the effect was relatively small.
For example, an increase in the resident vaccination take-up rate of 10%
in a local authority caused, on average, a reduction of 1% in the total
care home mortality rate. That is equivalent to about 22 fewer deaths
per week nationwide.
Of course, any reduction in deaths is welcome. But vaccination does not
appear to be the key factor in reducing care home deaths from COVID. We
also found that the reduction in deaths was restricted to the initial
vaccination rollout.
From September 2021, when the booster vaccination programme started in
England, higher vaccination rates of elderly residents do not seem to
have led to any reduction in deaths. Based on these results, vaccination
is unlikely to have been responsible for the sustained fall in
COVID-related deaths.
Why then did Europe and the US experience large reductions in COVID
deaths since 2021, even during times when infection rates have soared?
There are two explanations. The first is the growth of variants such as
omicron that, although highly infectious, are less deadly than variants
responsible for the early waves.
Second, is the rise in the cumulative number of people who gained
protection from having had previous infections.
These explanations are consistent with the experience of places such as
Hong Kong, New Zealand and Taiwan. All saw relatively low COVID
infections and deaths in 2020, meaning only limited levels of natural
immunity had been built up. All then experienced high mortality rates
during 2022, well after most people in those places had been vaccinated.
For example, the seven-day average mortality rate in Hong Kong reached
40 deaths per million in March 2022, a rate far above the highest peak
seen in the US during the whole pandemic despite cumulative vaccination
rates at that time being similar.
Even though vaccination probably reduced care home deaths by a small
amount in the early rollout period, there is little evidence that the
booster programme had any significant effect on COVID-related deaths.
What is your point, gook?
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: The LORD says "Blessed are you who hunger now ..."
Shame on andrew, look at his red face.
He is trying to pull a fast one. His scripture bit is found among these:
'14 Bible verses about Spiritual Hunger'
Psalms
81:10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: >open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
Proverbs
13:25 The righteous has enough to satisfy his appetite, But the stomach of >the wicked is in need.
Joel
2:26 And ye shall eat in plenty, and be satisfied, and praise the name of
the LORD your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you: and my
people shall never be ashamed.
Psalms
107 For he satisfies the thirsty and fills the hungry with good things.
Acts
14:17 "Yet he did not leave himself without witness, for he did good by >giving you rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, satisfying
your hearts with food and gladness."
someone eternally condemned & ever more cursed by GOD perseverated:
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
Subject: a very very very simple definition of sin ...
Does andrew's "definition" agree with scripture? Let's see in 1 John:
John wrote this to christians. The greek grammer (sic) speaks of an ongoing >> status. He includes himself in that status.
1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is
not in us.
1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, >> and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is >> not in us.
HeartDoc Andrew, in the Holy Spirit, boldly wrote:
(UK) 11/05/24 Again praying w/ Michael here ...
https://narkive.com/6axWoF8v.7
Let us pray!
(UK) 11/05/24 Again praying w/ Michael here ...
https://narkive.com/6axWoF8v.7
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