• Re: Putin To Call In 300k Military Reservists

    From Rudy Crayola@21:1/5 to Frank on Wed Sep 21 16:13:28 2022
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    On 9/21/2022 10:56 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 11:13 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums

    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    . . .

       Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.

       Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
       those new soldiers any better than they did with the
       initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
       Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...

       Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
       in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
       invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
       a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
       I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
       he was not bluffing about using nukes.

       AND, as world attention/supplies concentrate along
       the Russia/Europe line ... well ... can't pay much
       attention to China/Taiwan then, can we ? I think
       those two have been playing Bad-Cop/Worse-Cop with
       the west for a couple of years now.

    As a dictator Putin knows he will be out if he loses in the Ukraine.
    Makes him dangerous as he is more concerned about himself than the country.

    Simple answer...Offer Putin a new home in California along with all the
    other Dictators and Generals that are already there. Putin would be
    right at home among the elite Democrat enemies of America.

    Let's hope the Chinese dictator takes note as what he could lose doing
    the same thing.

    I wonder what China would charge that family for the price of the
    bullet? Average price of large caliber in USA is well over a dollar a
    round.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Rudy Crayola on Thu Sep 22 08:20:34 2022
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    Rudy Crayola wrote on 9/21/2022 5:13 PM:
    On 9/21/2022 10:56 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 11:13 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums


    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    . . .

       Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.

       Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
       those new soldiers any better than they did with the
       initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
       Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...

       Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
       in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
       invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
       a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
       I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
       he was not bluffing about using nukes.

       AND, as world attention/supplies concentrate along
       the Russia/Europe line ... well ... can't pay much
       attention to China/Taiwan then, can we ? I think
       those two have been playing Bad-Cop/Worse-Cop with
       the west for a couple of years now.

    As a dictator Putin knows he will be out if he loses in the Ukraine.
    Makes him dangerous as he is more concerned about himself than the
    country.

    Simple answer...Offer Putin a new home in California along with all
    the other Dictators and Generals that are already there.


    They are US installed corrupt puppet dictators who had to flee after
    losing power in their own country. Zelensky fits the bill.

    How corrupt is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky? https://mronline.org/2022/07/22/how-corrupt-is-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 10:30:35 2022
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    Le 2022-09-22 à 08:20, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Rudy Crayola wrote on 9/21/2022 5:13 PM:
    On 9/21/2022 10:56 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 11:13 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums

    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    . . .

       Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.

       Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
       those new soldiers any better than they did with the
       initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
       Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...

       Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
       in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
       invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
       a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
       I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
       he was not bluffing about using nukes.

       AND, as world attention/supplies concentrate along
       the Russia/Europe line ... well ... can't pay much
       attention to China/Taiwan then, can we ? I think
       those two have been playing Bad-Cop/Worse-Cop with
       the west for a couple of years now.

    As a dictator Putin knows he will be out if he loses in the Ukraine.
    Makes him dangerous as he is more concerned about himself than the
    country.

    Simple answer...Offer Putin a new home in California along with all
    the other Dictators and Generals that are already there.


    They are US installed corrupt puppet dictators who had to flee after
    losing power in their own country. Zelensky fits the bill.

    How corrupt is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky? https://mronline.org/2022/07/22/how-corrupt-is-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/




    Well well our resident Chicom agitprop agent seemingly just got his
    marching orders from his Kremlin handler. Things are not going too well
    for Vlad in Moscow, are they not Wannabe....
    You should seriously consider running back to Xi while you still can.
    The way things are going presently you may not have a place to run in a
    few months.
    And by the way RT (Russia Today) and MR (Monthly Review an «independent» socialist magazine) are known Moscow controlled agitprop «news» sources.
    Did you not learn anything before you came to Canada?

    Chasseur

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to John Carlson on Thu Sep 22 12:13:25 2022
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    On 9/22/2022 12:04 PM, John Carlson wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 10:30 AM:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g

    Chasseur



    What the fuck are you saying?



    Maybe he hopes Wannabe croaks.

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  • From John Carlson@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Thu Sep 22 12:04:09 2022
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    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 10:30 AM:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g

    Chasseur



    What the fuck are you saying?

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 13:35:32 2022
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    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000
    new citizens after they surrender and defect...

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 15:35:22 2022
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    Le 2022-09-22 à 12:04, John Carlson a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 10:30 AM:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g

    Chasseur



    What the fuck are you saying?




    That is not my post. That is that Chicom shit Wannabe's post.

    Chasseur

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Byker on Thu Sep 22 16:48:44 2022
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    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US because
    it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also because it wore
    the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia out. Winter is
    coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb out their
    electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and their military
    are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won
    the landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on brink
    of war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he stood
    on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with Vladimir
    Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the unpopular war in
    the east and concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included
    ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs."

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 17:49:09 2022
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    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US because
    it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also because it wore
    the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia out. Winter is
    coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb out their
    electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and their military
    are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won
    the landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on brink
    of war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he stood
    on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with Vladimir
    Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the unpopular war in
    the east and concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Thu Sep 22 17:57:20 2022
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    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia
    out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb
    out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and
    their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who
    has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the
    attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
    peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

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  • From John Carlson@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Thu Sep 22 17:51:57 2022
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    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 3:35 PM:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g

    Chasseur


    Fuck off and die, froggy.

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 19:10:41 2022
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    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:51, John Carlson a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 3:35 PM:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g

    Chasseur


    Fuck off and die, froggy.


    Well well well loosing it again Wannabe???

    Chasseur

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 22 19:28:28 2022
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    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia
    out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb
    out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and
    their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who
    has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the
    attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
    peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.


    The discussion is another one of your low-life attacks against Zelensky.
    It doesn't matter if Zelensky is or is not what you say he is. What
    matters is that Ukraine is been invaded, its people made the victims of
    heinous war crimes and that your Kremlin handler is now threatening
    nuclear war and getting ready to annex Ukrainian lands and subsequently
    invoke an attack against Russian territory.
    Go back to China Chicom filth and when you report to Xi request a quick reminder of another illegal military invasion, Tibet during the 1950s.
    Mao got away with that one because the West didn't act accordingly. It's
    time to make it clear that what is taking place now in Ukraine is
    unacceptable and your petty attempts at manipulating the subject doesn't
    fool anyone.

    Chasseur

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Thu Sep 22 23:08:37 2022
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    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after
    they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas
    and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian
    people and their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the
    TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia
    after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on
    a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion
    is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 23 09:02:55 2022
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    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after
    they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas
    and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian
    people and their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the
    TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia
    after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on >>>>>> a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on >>>>>> brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he >>>>>> stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion
    is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide very well.

    Chasseur


    Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d


    Chasseur

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 23 08:21:59 2022
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    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after
    they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas
    and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian
    people and their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the
    TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia
    after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on
    a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion
    is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide very
    well.

    Chasseur

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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Fri Sep 23 09:59:00 2022
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    On 9/23/22 9:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after >>>>>>>> they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also >>>>>>> because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural
    gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the
    Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and cold, they
    will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's
    territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the >>>>>>> landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down
    with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would
    end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important
    domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of
    corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide
    very well.

    Chasseur


    Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe: https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d


    Chasseur

    https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/


    *How Factual Is the Associated Press?
    *

    Think about this Chas before you go to war.

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 23 11:02:18 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    Le 2022-09-23 à 09:59, Nic a écrit :
    On 9/23/22 9:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after >>>>>>>>> they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US >>>>>>>> because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also >>>>>>>> because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear >>>>>>>> Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural
    gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the
    Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and cold, they
    will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's
    territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the >>>>>>>> landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down >>>>>>>> with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would
    end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important >>>>>>>> domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of
    corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide
    very well.

    Chasseur


    Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe:
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d

    Chasseur

    https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/


         *How Factual Is the Associated Press?
         *

    Think about this Chas before you go to war.


    AP has been so far the most trustworthy news sources I have read on a
    regular basis, way better than RT (Russia Today) for instance.
    Furthermore that particular article I cited provides information to go
    to UN debates for confirmation. Understand however that I have limited
    trust in the UN's usefulness.Finally who's talking about going to
    war???? The task at hand is to stop one, with among other things,
    denouncing openly that military invasion of a sovereign country is
    unacceptable as well as threats of nuclear war. If Putin gets away with
    it, a new era of very dangerous international military adventurism will
    begin. You can be assured that the likes of Xi or Kim or others are
    watching the war on Ukraine with undivided attention.

    Chasseur

    Chasseur

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  • From Nic@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Fri Sep 23 11:32:38 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 9/23/22 11:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 09:59, Nic a écrit :
    On 9/23/22 9:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens
    after they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the >>>>>>>>> US because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US >>>>>>>>> also because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can >>>>>>>>> wear Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off
    natural gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure.
    When the Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and
    cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the
    country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack.
    Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
    peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit
    down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He >>>>>>>>> would end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on
    important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country >>>>>>>>> of corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a >>>>>>>> sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words
    courage and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had
    better hide very well.

    Chasseur


    Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe:
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d


    Chasseur

    https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/


          *How Factual Is the Associated Press?
          *

    Think about this Chas before you go to war.


    AP has been so far the most trustworthy news sources I have read on a
    regular basis, way better than RT (Russia Today) for instance.
    Furthermore that particular article I cited provides information to go
    to UN debates for confirmation. Understand however that I have limited
    trust in the UN's usefulness.Finally who's talking about going to
    war???? The task at hand is to stop one, with among other things,
    denouncing openly that military invasion of a sovereign country is unacceptable as well as threats of nuclear war. If Putin gets away
    with it, a new era of very dangerous international military
    adventurism will begin. You can be assured that the likes of Xi or Kim
    or others are watching the war on Ukraine with undivided attention.

    Chasseur

    Chasseur

    What was all that business that Victoria Nuland was spending money about?

    I meant war on this forum.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Fri Sep 23 09:52:04 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 5:21 AM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after >>>>>>> they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas
    and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian
    people and their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the
    TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia
    after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the landslide election
    on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on >>>>>> brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he >>>>>> stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion
    is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.



    [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]

    Chasseur




    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 23 12:45:14 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    Le 2022-09-23 à 11:32, Nic a écrit :
    On 9/23/22 11:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 09:59, Nic a écrit :
    On 9/23/22 9:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens >>>>>>>>>>> after they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the >>>>>>>>>> US because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US >>>>>>>>>> also because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can >>>>>>>>>> wear Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off >>>>>>>>>> natural gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. >>>>>>>>>> When the Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and >>>>>>>>>> cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the
    country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack.
    Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making >>>>>>>>>> peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit >>>>>>>>>> down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He >>>>>>>>>> would end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on >>>>>>>>>> important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country >>>>>>>>>> of corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a >>>>>>>>> sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words
    courage and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had
    better hide very well.

    Chasseur


    Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe:
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d

    Chasseur

    https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/


          *How Factual Is the Associated Press?
          *

    Think about this Chas before you go to war.


    AP has been so far the most trustworthy news sources I have read on a
    regular basis, way better than RT (Russia Today) for instance.
    Furthermore that particular article I cited provides information to go
    to UN debates for confirmation. Understand however that I have limited
    trust in the UN's usefulness.Finally who's talking about going to
    war???? The task at hand is to stop one, with among other things,
    denouncing openly that military invasion of a sovereign country is
    unacceptable as well as threats of nuclear war. If Putin gets away
    with it, a new era of very dangerous international military
    adventurism will begin. You can be assured that the likes of Xi or Kim
    or others are watching the war on Ukraine with undivided attention.

    Chasseur

    Chasseur

    What was all that business that Victoria Nuland was spending money about?

    I meant war on this forum.


    I don't understand your post.

    Chasseur

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Fri Sep 23 09:54:02 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 6:02 AM:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after >>>>>>>> they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US >>>>>>> because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also >>>>>>> because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural
    gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the
    Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and cold, they
    will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's
    territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the >>>>>>> landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down >>>>>>> with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would
    end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important
    domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of
    corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide
    very well.

    Chasseur



    [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]


    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Chasseur on Fri Sep 23 12:31:28 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    "Chasseur" wrote in message news:pL4XK.64264$SMP5.50434@fx05.iad...

    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    And he's making the same mistakes Hitler did. -------------------------------------------------------------
    Putin is making the same mistakes that doomed Hitler when he invaded the
    Soviet Union

    Analysis by John Blake, CNN
    Sat April 2, 2022

    Russian President Vladimir Putin often evokes the Soviet Union’s epic defeat of Nazi Germany during World War II to justify his country’s invasion of Ukraine.

    Yet Putin is committing some of the same blunders that doomed Germany’s 1941 invasion of the USSR – while using “Hitler-like tricks and tactics” to justify his brutality, military historians and scholars say.

    This is the savage irony behind Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine that’s become clear as the war enters its second month: the Russian leader, who portrays himself as a student of history, is floundering because he hasn’t paid enough attention to the lessons of the “Great Patriotic War” he reveres.

    “I have been trying to make sense of this for a month, because as terrible
    as Putin is, you could never say he was illogical,” says Peter T. DeSimone, an associate professor of Russian and Eastern European history at Utica University in New York.

    “All of this is illogical, and that’s the scary thing,” he says. “This is
    not normal for what he’s done in the past. This is something that makes no sense on many levels, and not just in regard to World War II.”

    There are, of course, significant differences between the current war in Ukraine and the clash between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

    The Nazi war machine was formidable, agile, and well-trained. The Wehrmacht killed and wounded 150,000 Red Army soldiers in the first week of their invasion in June of 1941. They seized vast swaths of territory, and in one “mega-encirclement” trapped four Soviet armies, capturing 700,000 prisoners of war.

    And there is no moral equivalence between Joseph Stalin, the Soviet
    dictator, and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky.

    Stalin was a sociopath (he once reached into a cage and killed a family pet parrot because its chirping annoyed him) who starved millions of Ukrainians
    to death and routinely murdered political rivals. Zelensky is a
    democratically elected leader who has rallied Ukrainians and inspired the
    world with his conspicuous displays of courage and eloquent defense of democracy.

    But look closer at Putin’s struggles in Ukraine and ironic parallels emerge. Military historians say Putin is following Hitler’s ill-fated playbook in at least three areas:

    Putin forgot a basic rule of warfare

    The tank has long struck dread in enemy troops. When the British introduced
    the first lumbering tanks during World War I, soldiers fled in terror.

    Ukraine, though, has become, according to one recent headline, a “graveyard for Russian tanks.” Ukrainian soldiers are using everything from drones to Javelins to destroy tank convoys.

    But Russian tanks have been stymied for another surprising reason: lack of fuel. The lack of fuel is part of a bigger problem. The once-vaunted Russian army has become bogged down in Ukraine not just because of fierce resistance but by something more prosaic: logistics.

    Putin has struggled to feed, fuel and equip his army. There have been
    reports of Russian troops looting banks and supermarkets, tanks running out
    of fuel, and soldiers using substandard forms of military communication – like smartphones – that have contributed to what Ukraine says are the deaths of at least seven Russian generals.

    “The evidence suggests that Putin thought he could win a quick victory with the deployment of special forces and airborne units,” says Ian Ona Johnson,
    a professor of military history at the University of Notre Dame. “So when they were forced to go to a much more traditional war involving essentially most of the Russian army along the Ukrainian border, they weren’t prepared for some of the logistics.”

    Poor logistical planning also played a critical role in Nazi Germany’s
    defeat on the Eastern front, where Hitler expected a quick victory.

    The German army failed to set up sufficient supply lines for the vast
    distances and harsh terrain of the Soviet Union. German tanks ran out of
    fuel. The consequences of this poor logistical planning would prove fatal
    when the Russian winter hit.

    Hitler didn’t equip many of his soldiers with winter clothing because he thought the Soviet army was so inferior. German soldiers were forced to
    fight in freezing temperatures while still clad in their summer uniforms,
    with some using newspaper and straw to shield themselves against the cold.

    “This proved devastating when a particularly brutal Russian winter set in,” Johnson says. “Something like 250,000 German soldiers eventually suffered frostbite injuries or died from the cold that winter because of logistical issues.”

    The German army reached its lowest point at the battle of Stalingrad, considered the turning point of World War II. There ill-equipped German soldiers were forced to eat horses, dogs and rats to survive the winter.

    The scale of the fighting in Ukraine today doesn’t approach the Eastern Front, but the lesson from both wars can be summed up in a military maxim attributed to Gen. Omar Bradley, an American general during World War II:

    “Amateurs talk strategy. Professionals talk logistics.”

    He alienated potential allies

    In a war already full of heartbreaking images, one photo may be the worst.

    It is a haunting photo of a pregnant Ukrainian woman in torn clothes being carried on a stretcher. The woman is conscious, her hand cradled
    protectively over her bare womb, which is smeared with blood. Both she and
    her baby would later die from her injuries. Ukrainian authorities say she
    was in a maternity hospital in the besieged city of Mariupol when it was shelled by Russian artillery.

    The image underscored what some commentators now say is Putin’s standard approach to war: He is indiscriminately killing civilians to break the will
    of the Ukrainian people.

    Russia’s army has been accused of bombing hospitals, shopping malls, apartment buildings and a theater with the word “children” written in Russian on the exterior of the building. Russia also been accused of trying
    to starve a Ukrainian city into submission by blocking humanitarian relief.

    The Russian army’s brutality, though, is having the opposite effect, Maria Varenikova wrote from Lviv, Ukraine, in a recent article for the New York Times.

    “If there is one overriding emotion gripping Ukraine right now, it is hate,”
    Varenikova said. “It is a deep, seething bitterness for President Vladimir
    V. Putin, his military, and his government.”

    Brutality can backfire in war.

    Putin has potential allies in Ukraine. Russia and Ukraine are two Slavic nations that share religious and cultural ties. Many Ukrainians have
    relatives in Russia and speak the language. And there has historically been more allegiance to Russia in the eastern part of the country.

    But Putin’s indiscriminate brutality against civilians is uniting Ukrainians in a way they’ve never been brought together before. One commentator called hate a “hidden treasure” in war because it can sustain resistance for generations.

    Hitler’s indiscriminate brutality against Soviet civilians also played a crucial factor in his defeat.

    Hitler had many potential allies in the Soviet Union. Many Soviets despised
    and feared Stalin, who routinely murdered political opponents, executed military leaders and persecuted Soviet citizens. He murdered about four
    million Ukrainians by starving them during one infamous period known as the Holodomor.

    That’s why some Soviets initially welcomed Hitler as a liberator, and gave some German troops Christmas presents.

    But Hitler’s brutal treatment of civilians quickly stiffened Soviet resistance. German troops looted and starved Russian cities into submission. They rounded up Soviet Jews and other minorities, shooting them or poisoning them in mobile gassing vans. Nazi propaganda taught Germans that Soviets
    were generically inferior “Mongolized” Slavs who deserved death or enslavement.

    “The Nazis were not an occupying force; they were an extermination force
    from the start,” says DeSimone, the historian from Utica University.

    Stalin was so hated that roughly a million Soviets served in the German
    army, says Johnson, the Notre Dame historian. Hitler’s brutality destroyed any chance he had of picking off Soviet sympathizers and weakening Soviet resistance, Johnson says.

    “Instead of taking advantage of large numbers of people who might been sympathetic or at least think the Germans were better than the Soviets,” he says, “Hitler rapidly alienated all those groups.”

    He’s using Hitler-like language to justify war

    Last summer, Putin published a lengthy essay entitled “On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians” that sought to explain that there was an artificial division between the two countries and that “true sovereignty of Ukraine is possible only in partnership with Russia.”

    The language Putin used caused some historians to shudder. They said he
    echoed some of the same rhetoric Hitler used in “Mein Kampf,” the dictator’s
    autobiography and political manifesto. Hitler’s book brimmed with distorted history about Germany’s lost greatness, global conspiracies that undercut Germany’s power, and justifications for conquest of another group of people.

    “Like the Führer, the president of Russia bemoans the tragedy that has befallen his homeland, an erstwhile empire, and he too wants to turn back
    the clock,” wrote Avi Garfinkel, a reporter for Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper, in an article entitled, “How Putin’s Ukraine Agenda Evokes Hitler’s
    Mein Kampf.”

    This may be one of the most disturbing links between Putin and Hitler. Some Putin critics say he is using Nazi language and propaganda techniques to justify the invasion of Ukraine. They compared the “Z” inscribed on Russian tanks to a symbol used by Nazis in concentration camps. Others compared a recent massive war rally Putin led in a Moscow stadium to scenes of a Hitler speech in an infamous Nazi propaganda film called “Triumph of the Will.”

    Some of the strongest reaction to Putin’s rhetoric stems from his claim that the Russian army is striving for the “de-Nazification” of Ukraine and seeks to protect people who have been “abused by the genocide of the Kyiv regime.”

    Timothy Snyder, a leading authority on Central European history and the Holocaust, says Putin’s claim about “de-Nazification” is “grotesque” because
    he’s trying to justify invading a democratic country – led by a Jewish president who lost relatives in the Holocaust – by claiming he’s there to fight Nazis.

    Snyder calls Putin’s justification a variation of Hitler’s Big Lie – a Nazi
    propaganda technique that insists that if a political leader repeats a
    colossal untruth enough, people will eventually believe it.

    “Adolf Hitler had some public relations advice: Tell a lie so big that
    people will not believe that you would ever try to deceive them on such a
    grand scale,” Snyder wrote in an essay titled, “Putin’s Hitler-like tricks
    and tactics in Ukraine.”

    By telling lies that Ukraine is run by Nazis bent on genocide, Putin is
    making a mockery of people who survived the Holocaust, says Snyder, author
    of “On Tyranny.”

    Yet Putin’s embrace of the Big Lie could also backfire. In a country where many citizens’ ancestors perished in the Holocaust, invoking such a historical tragedy to justify war may only make some Ukrainians more
    determined to defend their homeland.

    Perhaps that is why some Ukrainians no longer call Putin the Russian
    president.

    They call him “The New Hitler.”

    What could be the biggest irony of all

    We know the result of Hitler’s invasion. The Soviet Union eventually destroyed the Nazi war machine. The Soviets, more than any country, were responsible for the defeat of Nazi Germany. Hitler committed suicide as
    Russian troops closed in on his Berlin bunker in 1945.

    An estimated 26 million Soviets died during World War II. One was Putin’s two-year-old brother, Viktor, who died after the German army lay siege to a Russian city, blocking the delivery of food and water.

    We don’t know how the war in Ukraine will end. Putin could still prevail. He could split the nation and seize the energy-rich resources of Eastern
    Ukraine and consolidate his hold on the country’s coastline, some say.

    And we know that in war no one side has a monopoly on brutality. A far-right group with a history of neo-Nazi leanings has played a crucial role in Ukrainian resistance. Ukrainian soldiers have been accused of shooting
    Russian prisoners.

    But if Ukraine somehow preserves its independence and its territory,
    something may happen that could lead to one of the biggest ironies of all.

    A Ukrainian victory will be depicted as another Great Patriotic War.
    Ukrainians will commemorate their country’s victory with parades and monuments. And Putin will no longer be hailed as a shrewd and bold leader
    who restored Russia’s greatness by manipulating chess pieces on a global stage.

    He will be seen as a fool whose hubris and brutality drove him into making
    the same mistakes as the dictator he professed to despise.

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/02/world/putin-invasion-mistakes-hitler-blake-cec/index.html

    And CNN is hardly a "far-right hate site"...

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Byker on Fri Sep 23 11:22:21 2022
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    Byker wrote on 9/23/2022 10:31 AM:

    Putin is making the same mistakes that doomed Hitler when he invaded the Soviet Union

    Zelensky doesn't have the military capability that Hitler had. Hitler
    could have won WWII if it wasn't because the British had all the cannon
    fodder from Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Indian subcontinent and
    Africa. Plus the US was making big bucks selling arms to Britain and the
    USSR under "Lend Lease". Hitler's army was against the world. That's no
    easy feat.

    Zelensky the TV clown is totally propped up by the US.  He has been
    wearing military OD green uniform ever since the beginning of the
    invasion. He is sucking up to his military. Once Putin has got
    everything ready, Putin can bomb the shit out of Kiev with his most
    advanced missiles without even sending Russian troops there.

    So I predict that in the winter months, Russia will cut off all gas and electricity to the Ukraine to let them freeze, and then bomb the shit
    out of Kiev. The TV clown will seek asylum in Hollywood, California so
    he can make another TV series while in exile.

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  • From Rudy Crayola@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sat Sep 24 23:58:30 2022
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    XPost: alt.survival

    On 9/22/2022 7:20 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Rudy Crayola wrote on 9/21/2022 5:13 PM:
    On 9/21/2022 10:56 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 11:13 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums

    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    . . .

       Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.

       Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
       those new soldiers any better than they did with the
       initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
       Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...

       Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
       in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
       invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
       a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
       I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
       he was not bluffing about using nukes.

       AND, as world attention/supplies concentrate along
       the Russia/Europe line ... well ... can't pay much
       attention to China/Taiwan then, can we ? I think
       those two have been playing Bad-Cop/Worse-Cop with
       the west for a couple of years now.

    As a dictator Putin knows he will be out if he loses in the Ukraine.
    Makes him dangerous as he is more concerned about himself than the
    country.

    Simple answer...Offer Putin a new home in California along with all
    the other Dictators and Generals that are already there.


    They are US installed corrupt puppet dictators who had to flee after
    losing power in their own country. Zelensky fits the bill.

    You need to update your information. Dozens if not more of the enemy
    Vietcong are now living safely, very richly in America. In fact the top
    North Vietnamese General of that war era lives very comfortably in
    California.

    How corrupt is Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky? https://mronline.org/2022/07/22/how-corrupt-is-ukrainian-president-volodymyr-zelensky/






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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Frank on Sun Sep 25 00:03:43 2022
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    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/22/2022 11:13 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 9/22/2022 12:04 PM, John Carlson wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 10:30 AM:


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0rPv84gJ0g

    Chasseur



    What the fuck are you saying?



    Maybe he hopes Wannabe croaks.

    If that happens, who will be sticking the bubble gum on the theater
    seats? Canada needs its Pinocchio.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Nic on Sun Sep 25 00:31:38 2022
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    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/23/2022 8:59 AM, Nic wrote:
    On 9/23/22 9:02 AM, Chasseur wrote:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after >>>>>>>>> they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US >>>>>>>> because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also >>>>>>>> because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear >>>>>>>> Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural
    gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the
    Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and cold, they
    will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's
    territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the >>>>>>>> landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down >>>>>>>> with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would
    end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important >>>>>>>> domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of
    corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide
    very well.

    Chasseur


    Here is a cite for your next report to your Kremlin handler Wannabe:
    https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-united-nations-general-assembly-states-government-and-politics-b7ec3ee21de1a7d7c982d4967223787d

    Chasseur

    https://www.thefactual.com/blog/is-the-associated-press-biased/


         *How Factual Is the Associated Press?
         *

    Think about this Chas before you go to war.

    What on earth has this do do with anything?


    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Byker on Sun Sep 25 00:17:35 2022
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    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers? Do
    you really think they need the handicap? Also Russia really needs
    someone to keep an eye on Russia's mutual defense Pal. China is very untrustworthy these days. It is time for Russia to pull in its horns and rethink a very bad decision. Maybe even apologize and make restitution
    in preparation to ally with Ukraine. The Future looks a bit bleak in
    that area and NATO is not capable of handling every little outbreak.
    Golly Gee, maybe Wannabe could talk the Russians into Joining NATO too.
    We just bought 250,000 155MM artillery rounds from another country and
    are shipping them to the Ukraine to dispose of as they want. It also
    turns out that our Military has Many millions of Ammo and Weapons
    stashed that were supposed to be disposed of long ago. The Navy is
    really guilty on this level. This news comes from the Military Times.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 00:24:34 2022
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    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/22/2022 3:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US because
    it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also because it wore
    the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia out. Winter is
    coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb out their
    electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and their military
    are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won
    the landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on brink
    of war https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he stood
    on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with Vladimir
    Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the unpopular war in
    the east and concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs.

    As usual you are full of Fecal matter. As for what we supposedly lost.
    None of these wars were ever really sanctioned by the American citizens
    to be won. The fact is that the War profiteers did not ever want them won...Just to last as long as possible. A nasty suspicion is that we now
    have leaders that may believe a good war will make ours and the worlds
    economy well.
    "

    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 00:28:12 2022
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    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/22/2022 4:57 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia
    out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb
    out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and
    their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who
    has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the
    attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
    peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    There is no such Question. Absolutely we will prevail. But you may
    continue cheer leading a very losing enterprise as we all here can use
    the entertainment. Why don't you trot down to little Kiev in Toronto and
    do your cheer leading there?

    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 00:35:02 2022
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    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/23/2022 11:54 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 6:02 AM:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after >>>>>>>>> they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US >>>>>>>> because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also >>>>>>>> because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear >>>>>>>> Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural
    gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the
    Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and cold, they
    will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's
    territory to Russia after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the >>>>>>>> landslide election on a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down >>>>>>>> with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would
    end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important >>>>>>>> domestic reforms. These included ridding the country of
    corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a
    sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words courage
    and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had better hide
    very well.

    Chasseur



    [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]


    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion is
    who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    Heh! Heh! You lost it! Next you will be calling everyone a Nazi.
    LOser loser loser mmmmm Really a loser. '-]




    bnVsbA==

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 03:06:55 2022
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    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:28 PM:

    There is no such Question. Absolutely we will prevail.

    Remember the fall of Saigon and Kabul? Absolutely "turn tail and run"
    sounds more like it.

    But you may continue cheer leading a very losing enterprise as we all
    here can use the entertainment.

    I predict Zelensky will be in exile in Hollywood to continue his TV
    clown career before the winter is over.

    Why don't you trot down to little Kiev in Toronto and do your cheer
    leading there?

    Why don't you trot down to Little Ukraine in Toronto to cheer them up?

    Little Ukraine in Toronto https://torontolife.com/city/tales-of-love-and-resilience-from-little-ukraine/

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 04:02:58 2022
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    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.

    Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
    WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
    Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
    warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.


    Also Russia really needs someone to keep an eye on Russia's mutual
    defense Pal. China is very untrustworthy these days. It is time for
    Russia to pull in its horns and rethink a very bad decision. Maybe
    even apologize and make restitution in preparation to ally with
    Ukraine. The Future looks a bit bleak in that area and NATO is not
    capable of handling every little outbreak.
    Golly Gee, maybe Wannabe could talk the Russians into Joining NATO too.
    We just bought 250,000 155MM artillery rounds from another country and
    are shipping them to the Ukraine to dispose of as they want. It also
    turns out that our Military has Many millions of Ammo and Weapons
    stashed that were supposed to be disposed of long ago. The Navy is
    really guilty on this level. This news comes from the Military Times.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Rudy Crayola on Sun Sep 25 04:13:21 2022
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    XPost: alt.survival

    Rudy Crayola wrote on 9/24/2022 9:58 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 7:20 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Rudy Crayola wrote on 9/21/2022 5:13 PM:
    On 9/21/2022 10:56 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 9/21/2022 11:13 AM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220921-live-western-leaders-denounce-russia-s-sham-referendums


    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    . . .

       Looks like Putin is going to GO FOR IT. All or nothing.

       Of course Russia still can't feed/supply/coordinate all
       those new soldiers any better than they did with the
       initial 100k but that doesn't seem to be a consideration.
       Throw enough bodies at the Ukrainians and ...

       Putin also made a not-very-veiled threat to use nukes
       in Ukraine - maybe beyond - if the west makes his
       invasion any more difficult. Biden is expected to give
       a rebuttal message at the UN this morning. Somehow
       I don't expect it to be a help. Putin explicitly said
       he was not bluffing about using nukes.

       AND, as world attention/supplies concentrate along
       the Russia/Europe line ... well ... can't pay much
       attention to China/Taiwan then, can we ? I think
       those two have been playing Bad-Cop/Worse-Cop with
       the west for a couple of years now.

    As a dictator Putin knows he will be out if he loses in the
    Ukraine. Makes him dangerous as he is more concerned about himself
    than the country.

    Simple answer...Offer Putin a new home in California along with all
    the other Dictators and Generals that are already there.


    They are US installed corrupt puppet dictators who had to flee after
    losing power in their own country. Zelensky fits the bill.

    You need to update your information. Dozens if not more of the enemy Vietcong are now living safely, very richly in America. In fact the
    top North Vietnamese General of that war era lives very comfortably in California.


    It surely helps a lot with all the American aid money they had pocketed
    and squirreled away. If you give me hundreds of million dollars I am
    sure I will live safely, richly and comfortably in California too.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 03:43:41 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:24 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 3:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia
    out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb
    out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and
    their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who
    has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the
    attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
    peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs.

    As usual you are full of infinite wisdom. As for what we supposedly
    lost. None of these wars were ever really sanctioned by the American citizens to be won. The fact is that the War profiteers did not ever
    want them won...Just to last as long as possible. A nasty suspicion is
    that we now have leaders that may believe a good war will make ours
    and the worlds economy well.



    This one is different. Ukraine is sitting on a piece of land which has
    been belonged to many different countries throughout history. The
    majority of Eastern Ukraine were Russian territories before. Many of
    Ukraine's neighbours, especially Poland, are licking their chops to get
    their historical land back. The population in Eastern Ukraine are mostly
    ethnic Russians. That's why the pro-Russia president was democratically elected before he had to go into exile after the US orchestrated Maidan Uprising in 2014.

    History of Ukraine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

    Crimea: A Gift To Ukraine Becomes A Political Flash Point https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point


    Putin has no patience for protracted war. Russia is now in partial mobilization to prepare for large scale war. Instead of "special
    military operation" as of now, I predict in the winter Russia will
    declare war on Ukraine and bomb the shit out of Kiev. Zelensky will be
    in exile in Hollywood to resume his career as TV clown. Zelensky's
    missile attack on Crimea and other border Russian territories is enough
    casus belli for Russia to declare war.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 05:10:08 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:35 PM:
    On 9/23/2022 11:54 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 6:02 AM:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens >>>>>>>>>> after they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the >>>>>>>>> US because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US >>>>>>>>> also because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can >>>>>>>>> wear Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off
    natural gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure.
    When the Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and >>>>>>>>> cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the
    country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack.
    Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making >>>>>>>>> peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit
    down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He >>>>>>>>> would end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on
    important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country >>>>>>>>> of corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a >>>>>>>> sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words
    courage and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had
    better hide very well.

    Chasseur



    [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]


    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion
    is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    Heh! Heh! You lost it! Next you will be calling everyone a Nazi.
    Loser   loser   loser mmmmm Really a loser. '-]


    Yes, I lost it. I have low tolerance for semi-literate lowbrow
    mouthbreathing inbreds.

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 10:48:31 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 9/25/22 05:02, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.

    Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
    WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
    Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
    warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing

    Lindemann, Bomber Harris, and Churchill should have been in the dock at Nuremberg.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 16:28:41 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/25/2022 6:02 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.

    Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
    WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
    Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
    warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.

    Dream on Moron. In fact move to your paradise in Russia and you can
    witness the end of your world if Russia did do something that stupid.
    With China on Russia's existing borders, it is doubtful that Russia will
    chance any kind of direct war that would weaken its military stance any
    more then it is. I will ask again, Just what is your profit in
    destruction of the Western countries that are keeping your world alive
    and well fed? If you are just suicidal? please just off yourself and
    don't share with us your delusions.>
    Also Russia really needs someone to keep an eye on Russia's mutual
    defense Pal. China is very untrustworthy these days. It is time for
    Russia to pull in its horns and rethink a very bad decision. Maybe
    even apologize and make restitution in preparation to ally with
    Ukraine. The Future looks a bit bleak in that area and NATO is not
    capable of handling every little outbreak.
    Golly Gee, maybe Wannabe could talk the Russians into Joining NATO too.
    We just bought 250,000 155MM artillery rounds from another country and
    are shipping them to the Ukraine to dispose of as they want. It also
    turns out that our Military has Many millions of Ammo and Weapons
    stashed that were supposed to be disposed of long ago. The Navy is
    really guilty on this level. This news comes from the Military Times.


    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 16:38:36 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/25/2022 5:43 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:24 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 3:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear Russia
    out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas and bomb
    out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and
    their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who
    has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the
    attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making
    peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs.

    As usual you are full of infinite wisdom. As for what we supposedly
    lost. None of these wars were ever really sanctioned by the American
    citizens to be won. The fact is that the War profiteers did not ever
    want them won...Just to last as long as possible. A nasty suspicion is
    that we now have leaders that may believe a good war will make ours
    and the worlds economy well.



    This one is different. Ukraine is sitting on a piece of land which has
    been belonged to many different countries throughout history. The
    majority of Eastern Ukraine were Russian territories before. Many of Ukraine's neighbours, especially Poland, are licking their chops to get
    their historical land back. The population in Eastern Ukraine are mostly ethnic Russians. That's why the pro-Russia president was democratically elected before he had to go into exile after the US orchestrated Maidan Uprising in 2014.

    History of Ukraine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

    Crimea: A Gift To Ukraine Becomes A Political Flash Point https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point


    Putin has no patience for protracted war. Russia is now in partial mobilization to prepare for large scale war. Instead of "special
    military operation" as of now, I predict in the winter Russia will
    declare war on Ukraine and bomb the shit out of Kiev. Zelensky will be
    in exile in Hollywood to resume his career as TV clown. Zelensky's
    missile attack on Crimea and other border Russian territories is enough
    casus belli for Russia to declare war.

    That is all it would take to unleash Ukraine to storm into Russia, and
    the UN to follow suit. I seriously doubt Putin is still powerful enough
    to institute any such action without the Permission of the Oligarchy.
    Poland, Finland and a lot of others have ancient grudges to settle with
    Russia. The old Ukrainian Cossack spirit is still alive and remembers
    the 8 million Ukrainians that were butchered by the Russian Bolsheviks.
    If it will help you to better understand, I could translate that to
    Russian for you.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to rbowman on Sun Sep 25 16:29:50 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/25/2022 11:48 AM, rbowman wrote:
    On 9/25/22 05:02, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When Russia
    officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles leveling Kiev.

    Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't win
    WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy soldiers.
    Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without Russian
    warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing

    Lindemann, Bomber Harris, and Churchill should have been in the dock at Nuremberg.

    Agreed.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 16:46:39 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/25/2022 5:06 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:28 PM:

    There is no such Question. Absolutely we will prevail.

    Remember the fall of Saigon and Kabul? Absolutely "turn tail and run"
    sounds more like it.

    More like this expensive party is over and its time to go home. Lets
    turn a profit and get some products made with inexpensive labor.



    But you may continue cheer leading a very losing enterprise as we all
    here can use the entertainment.

    I predict Zelensky will be in exile in Hollywood to continue his TV
    clown career before the winter is over.

    Now you are making mewling sounds like the wisdom puked up by Rudy Canoza(Ball).


    Why don't you trot down to little Kiev in Toronto and do your cheer
    leading there?

    Why don't you trot down to Little Ukraine in Toronto to cheer them up?

    I have been there. Most of the able ones have return to the Ukrainian
    Military and those left in Canada are proud of their accomplishments.
    Not many Russians sticking their heads up in that district at this time.
    But you are certainly welcome to give them one on one advice. let us
    know how that turns out for you.

    Little Ukraine in Toronto https://torontolife.com/city/tales-of-love-and-resilience-from-little-ukraine/




    bnVsbA==

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Sep 25 16:54:10 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 9/25/2022 7:10 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:35 PM:
    On 9/23/2022 11:54 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 6:02 AM:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens >>>>>>>>>>> after they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the >>>>>>>>>> US because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US >>>>>>>>>> also because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can >>>>>>>>>> wear Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off >>>>>>>>>> natural gas and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. >>>>>>>>>> When the Ukrainian people and their military are hungry and >>>>>>>>>> cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the
    country's territory to Russia after provoking the attack.
    Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of making >>>>>>>>>> peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself >>>>>>>>>> on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president >>>>>>>>>> he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit >>>>>>>>>> down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He >>>>>>>>>> would end the unpopular war in the east and concentrate on >>>>>>>>>> important domestic reforms. These included ridding the country >>>>>>>>>> of corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of a >>>>>>>>> sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words
    courage and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had
    better hide very well.

    Chasseur



    [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]


    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The discussion
    is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow, mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    Heh! Heh! You lost it! Next you will be calling everyone a Nazi.
    Loser   loser   loser mmmmm Really a loser. '-]


    Yes, I lost it. I have low tolerance for semi-literate lowbrow n mouthbreathing inbreds.

    If such is the case. I fear that if you look in the mirror you would go suicidal.







    bnVsbA==

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 15:04:32 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/25/2022 2:38 PM:
    On 9/25/2022 5:43 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:24 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 3:48 PM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after
    they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the US
    because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the US also
    because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine can wear
    Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut off natural gas
    and bomb out their electricity infrastructure. When the Ukrainian
    people and their military are hungry and cold, they will hang the
    TV clown who has lost 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia
    after provoking the attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on
    a platform of making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds himself on
    brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war


    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s president he
    stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised to sit down with
    Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with Russia. He would end the
    unpopular war in the east and concentrate on important domestic
    reforms. These included ridding the country of corruption and
    oligarchs.

    As usual you are full of infinite wisdom. As for what we supposedly
    lost. None of these wars were ever really sanctioned by the American
    citizens to be won. The fact is that the War profiteers did not ever
    want them won...Just to last as long as possible. A nasty suspicion
    is that we now have leaders that may believe a good war will make
    ours and the worlds economy well.



    This one is different. Ukraine is sitting on a piece of land which
    has been belonged to many different countries throughout history. The
    majority of Eastern Ukraine were Russian territories before. Many of
    Ukraine's neighbours, especially Poland, are licking their chops to
    get their historical land back. The population in Eastern Ukraine are
    mostly ethnic Russians. That's why the pro-Russia president was
    democratically elected before he had to go into exile after the US
    orchestrated Maidan Uprising in 2014.

    History of Ukraine
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

    Crimea: A Gift To Ukraine Becomes A Political Flash Point
    https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2014/02/27/283481587/crimea-a-gift-to-ukraine-becomes-a-political-flash-point



    Putin has no patience for protracted war. Russia is now in partial
    mobilization to prepare for large scale war. Instead of "special
    military operation" as of now, I predict in the winter Russia will
    declare war on Ukraine and bomb the shit out of Kiev. Zelensky will
    be in exile in Hollywood to resume his career as TV clown. Zelensky's
    missile attack on Crimea and other border Russian territories is
    enough casus belli for Russia to declare war.

    That is all it would take to unleash Ukraine to storm into Russia,


    You should use Google Map to see how small Ukraine is relative to
    Russia. Most able bodied male in Ukraine are already dead or living
    overseas as refugees.


    and the UN to follow suit.

    More than half the population in the world have a favorable view of Putin.


    I seriously doubt Putin is still powerful enough to institute any such
    action without the Permission of the Oligarchy.

    Putin has more than 80% approval of his people.

    https://www.newsweek.com/russian-confidence-putin-ticks-past-80-percent-despite-war-fallout-1743928

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/


    Poland, Finland and a lot of others have ancient grudges to settle
    with Russia.

    All European countries have ancient grudges to settle with each other.
    Read their history. They redrew their borders practically every other day.


    The old Ukrainian Cossack spirit is still alive and remembers the 8
    million Ukrainians that were butchered by the Russian Bolsheviks.

    That number is as inflated as the 6 million Jews in the Holocaust. All
    CIA propaganda.


    If it will help you to better understand, I could translate that to
    Russian for you.

    I speak "Truth & Facts", apparently that's an alien language to you.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 15:17:35 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/25/2022 2:28 PM:
    On 9/25/2022 6:02 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after
    they surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When
    Russia officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles
    leveling Kiev.

    Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't
    win WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy
    soldiers. Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without
    Russian warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.

    Dream on Moron. In fact move to your paradise in Russia and you can
    witness the end of your world if Russia did do something that stupid.
    With China on Russia's existing borders, it is doubtful that Russia
    will chance any kind of direct war that would weaken its military
    stance any more then it is. I will ask again, Just what is your profit
    in destruction of the Western countries that are keeping your world
    alive and well fed? If you are just suicidal? please just off yourself
    and
    don't share with us your delusions.>

    Is it because you are American and I am Canadian so we have to ignore
    the facts and lie about what's happening in Ukraine?

    What are you babbling about "With China on Russia's existing borders"?
    China and Russia need each other to counter the US. China and Russia had
    their differences but they are now in good terms. China cannot let
    Russia lose because the US will attack China if Russia is no more. Read
    the Chinese novel about the "Three Kingdoms".

    The ancient Chinese history of the Three Kingdoms is repeating itself on
    a global scale: China - Russia - US.

    Romance of the Three Kingdoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms https://inf.news/en/history/a7d1b2416260b0bc3792e5a375f9bc7d.html


    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script? Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    2022-09-24 19:43 HKT

    As early as 2009, the United States put forward the idea of ​​G2. Regardless of g20, g7, and g8, the world has the final say on the United
    States and China. This is G2.

    At that time, Summers, director of the National Economic Council of the
    United States, even declared in a very low-key manner that "the United
    States is no longer the locomotive of the world" and deliberately gave
    up the position of the protagonist.

    There is nothing new under the sun. Isn't this American trick a bit like
    a replica of what Cao Cao said to Liu Bei back then of "the heroes of
    the world, only the king and Caoer"? Isn't it a bit like Sun Quan's
    letter to persuade Cao Cao to be the emperor, Cao Cao mocked "I want to
    make me live above the fire", you kid is trying to put me on fire?

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    The general trend of the world, divided for a long time must be united,
    and for a long time must be divided. This is the law of China's
    historical changes and development. It is also the law of the game among
    major powers in international relations. It is also the law of struggle
    or friendship between China, the United States and Russia in the past 70
    years.

    So, who can rule the world, or say, win to the end?

    As the world's most powerful country after World War II, the United
    States is undoubtedly the contemporary Cao Wei-with comprehensive
    advantages and strategic dominance.

    At the beginning of the Cold War, China fell to the Soviet Union and
    joined hands against the United States. By the 1960s, the two countries
    fell apart. Then China and the United States turned their enemies into friends, established diplomatic relations in 1979, and joined hands
    against the Soviet Union. In the 1980s, Sino-Soviet relations began to
    thaw. China, the United States and Russia have formed an unequal
    triangular relationship.

    Therefore, from the 1950s to the late 1980s, the United States and
    Russia were the protagonists at both ends of Libra, while China was the weight. Whoever leans against can occupy a favorable position.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    After the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia's influence diminished, but after Putin came to power, he cleaned up the mess, kept
    the basics, and still plays a decisive role in the world. China has
    risen due to reform and opening up, and has gradually taken to the
    center of the international arena. The United States, on the other hand,
    has been over consumption due to the war on terrorism for more than 10
    years, and its strength has declined sharply after its domestic de-industrialization.

    Therefore, after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, China, the
    United States and Russia formed a new triangular relationship. Just like
    Sun and Liu joined forces to fight against Cao, China and Russia joined
    forces to fight against the United States and report to the group for
    warmth.

    After the US-Russia summit, the outside world has been concerned about
    when Biden will meet with Chinese leaders. In this regard, US National Security Adviser Sullivan stated at a press conference that President
    Biden is willing to have "any form" of meetings with Chinese leaders,
    but there is currently no specific plan, and both leaders will be
    present in October. The G20 summit. As for their personal relationship,
    Biden said, "We know each other, but we are not good friends, just
    official relations."

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    In contrast, the personal relations between the leaders of China and
    Russia, just like the relationship between the two countries, are "the
    best intimate friends." In terms of official definition, Sino-Russian relations are also in the "best period in history." Therefore, China and
    Russia can see through any attempts to split them.

    On the economic front, China and Russia announced their intention to
    weaken the dominance of the U.S. dollar in international trade. Since
    last year, most of the trade between the two sides has been paid in
    Russian rubles, Chinese yuan or euros. For Russia, this helps weaken the strength of US economic sanctions.

    In the field of military security, this year marks the 20th anniversary
    of the signing of the Sino-Russian Treaty of Good-Neighborliness,
    Friendship and Cooperation. The Ministry of National Defense of China
    issued a statement in March this year that it will implement the
    important consensus reached by the heads of state of China and Russia,
    conduct in-depth cooperation in high-level exchanges, strategic
    coordination, joint exercises, equipment and technology, and
    comprehensively develop Sino-Russian military relations. I believe this direction will not change. In addition, the Chinese and Russian armed
    forces jointly held joint military exercises from Central Asia to
    Russia, and then to the Baltic Sea, the Western Pacific and the Indian
    Ocean. The progress of joint patrols of strategic bombers in Japan's sea
    and sky shows that China and Russia are willing to form a united front
    against the US military presence in this area.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    Moreover, China's military industry is also developing rapidly. Russian defense expert Polonchuk published an article in the "Military Courier" magazine and pointed out that at present, in addition to being
    interested in Russia's most advanced weapon models, China is gradually abandoning its previous bulk purchase of Russian-made weapons in favor
    of brand-new military technology. Cooperative transformation. In other
    words, the era of Russia's comprehensive superiority in weapons and
    equipment has passed.

    It seems that Sino-Russian relations are like iron plates, and the
    possibility of shaking them is very low. In the "Sino-Russian Treaty of Good-Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation" signed 20 years ago,
    one of the clauses stipulated: When one of the contracting parties
    believes that they are threatened by aggression, the two parties will immediately engage and negotiate to eliminate the threat. In a joint
    statement of more than 5,000 words issued by the two countries this
    week, there are many important new expressions, the second of which
    says: Russia needs a prosperous and stable China, and China needs a
    strong and successful Russia.

    However, as China's national strength has improved, new changes have
    taken place in the relationship between the three countries. China and
    the United States have become the protagonists at both ends of Libra,
    while Russia has become the weight. China needs to hug her for warmth
    and gain momentum; the United States needs to improve relations with her
    in order to concentrate on dealing with China. As the power fluctuates,
    Moscow has become a sweet pastel in the competition between China and
    the United States.

    The United States is also very aware of the decline in its own strength.
    In order to contain China, in the future, he is bound to take more
    measures to show his favor to Russia. Right now, the United States has
    an opportunity to consider how Russia's interests are considered when Ukraine's accession to the European Union, especially NATO's accession,
    and relax sanctions against Russia as the situation progresses. This may
    play a positive role and help Russia to adjust and coordinate with
    Russia. American relations.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    On January 26 this year, the first week after Biden took office, the
    first call to foreign heads of state was also Putin. After visiting the
    main White House for five months, Putin was invited for talks during his
    first overseas visit. This has fully illustrated the weight of Russia.
    Some Russian analysts pointed out that Putin and Biden met as presidents
    for the first time. As long as they can be brought into the meeting, it
    is an achievement in itself.

    On June 16, the US and Russian heads of state held a summit in Geneva.
    After the meeting, the two sides issued a joint statement announcing
    that the two countries will conduct bilateral strategic stability
    dialogues on issues such as arms control and reducing the risk of
    conflict. The two sides also agreed to conduct diplomatic consultations
    to allow the ambassadors of both sides to return to the host country to
    start work.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he and President Biden had a two-and-a-half-hour meeting, and the content was entirely on political
    topics. The results of the summit have determined the key positions on
    which the United States and Russia can approach. In the future, "to what
    extent the United States is prepared, to what extent we are ready to
    continue this kind of dialogue." Putin hopes that the situation of
    US-Russian relations in the past few years will not repeat itself.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zakharova said on June 22 that the agreement reached by the two heads of state in Geneva is being actively implemented. The US responded relatively cautiously. "Reuters" quoted a
    U.S. official as saying: "This is not a strategic change. It will take
    some time to see if these potential areas of cooperation really have
    results."

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    So can the US-Russia summit really achieve the results expected by the US?

    Zakharov, a senior Russian diplomat, said in an interview with the
    Russian Satellite News Agency that this is a constructive meeting
    dedicated to easing the relations between the two countries in the
    military and strategic field. Other experts believe that the US-Russia
    summit first talked about political and military strategy and other
    sensitive issues, and it seemed that the relationship between the two countries could be seen to develop in the direction of relaxation.

    However, most media and experts agree that the summit is only symbolic. U.S.-Russian relations have been ossified for many years, and the ice
    breaking will face numerous obstacles.

    The Chinese media is also very concerned about the contacts between the
    US and Russian heads of state and their subsequent development. Just a
    few days before the summit, the Global Times, a subsidiary of the
    People's Daily, interviewed Denisov, the Russian ambassador to China,
    and raised two sensitive issues.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    The reporter asked him that the Biden administration might ease
    relations with Russia in order to concentrate on dealing with China.
    Will Russia alienate China and get closer to the United States?

    Denisov replied: "This view is too short-sighted, it can't happen."

    The reporter also asked, if there is an armed conflict between China and
    the United States, what position will Russia take?

    Denisov said very skillfully: "This question will not have an answer,
    because I am convinced that there will be no armed conflicts between
    China and the United States, just as there will be no armed conflicts
    between Russia and the United States." Humans disappeared. Obviously, he
    was talking about nuclear weapons. This is also the consensus reached at
    the US-Russia summit: once a nuclear war breaks out, no one will win.
    But the question is, what if there is a localized conventional war
    between China and the United States? To be more specific, what about conventional armed conflicts due to the Taiwan Province issue?

    Analyzing from the diplomatic terms of the ambassador, Putin will not be without a case. His first consideration is not the issue of position,
    but how to ensure Russia's maximum influence when conflicts between
    China and the United States, and then reverse and establish Russia's new historical position in the game of great powers. Therefore, this is also
    the main strategic consideration for the three countries of China, the
    United States and Russia not to talk about war, because any conflict
    between the two parties is tantamount to giving a third party an
    opportunity to take advantage of the situation. Therefore, the best
    strategy is to maintain a balanced relationship between the three
    countries. Denisov has already expressed this idea in the interview and
    hopes that the trilateral relations between China, the United States and
    Russia can maintain a balance. This is not difficult to understand. He
    would say that Russia is short-sighted when it distances itself from
    China and approaches the United States.

    Therefore, the current world situation is undergoing the biggest change
    in a century. The triangular relationship between China, the United
    States and Russia is also being readjusted. Maintaining a balance and
    acting in accordance with international rules should be the safest approach.

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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 25 20:22:57 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    Le 2022-09-25 à 17:54, PaxPerPoten a écrit :
    On 9/25/2022 7:10 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:35 PM:
    On 9/23/2022 11:54 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Chasseur wrote on 9/23/2022 6:02 AM:
    Le 2022-09-23 à 08:21, Chasseur a écrit :
    Le 2022-09-22 à 23:08, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 7:28 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 17:57, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Chasseur wrote on 9/22/2022 5:49 PM:
    Le 2022-09-22 à 16:48, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    Byker wrote on 9/22/2022 2:35 PM:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens >>>>>>>>>>>> after they surrender and defect...


    The Ukraine is too weak compared to Russia. Vietnam beat the >>>>>>>>>>> US because it wore the US out. Afghanistan Taliban beat the >>>>>>>>>>> US also because it wore the US out. I don't think the Ukraine >>>>>>>>>>> can wear Russia out. Winter is coming soon. Russia can cut >>>>>>>>>>> off natural gas and bomb out their electricity
    infrastructure. When the Ukrainian people and their military >>>>>>>>>>> are hungry and cold, they will hang the TV clown who has lost >>>>>>>>>>> 1/5 of the country's territory to Russia after provoking the >>>>>>>>>>> attack. Zelensky won the landslide election on a platform of >>>>>>>>>>> making peace with Russia.

    Ukraine’s leader stood on platform of peace, but finds >>>>>>>>>>> himself on brink of war
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/20/ukraines-leader-stood-on-platform-of-peace-but-finds-himself-on-brink-war

    "When Volodymyr Zelenskiy sought to become Ukraine’s
    president he stood on a platform of peace. Zelenskiy promised >>>>>>>>>>> to sit down with Vladimir Putin and to reach a deal with >>>>>>>>>>> Russia. He would end the unpopular war in the east and
    concentrate on important domestic reforms. These included >>>>>>>>>>> ridding the country of corruption and oligarchs."




    Do you understand the concept of illegal military invasion of >>>>>>>>>> a sovereign country?
    Putin is a repeat performance of Hitler in the 1930s.

    Chasseur



    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.


    [snip]

    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.


    Slime like you will never understand the meaning of the words
    courage and justice. Run Chicom shit run and hide well, you had
    better hide very well.

    Chasseur



    [shameless mofo's mindless dribble snipped]


    Chasseur



    Go fuck yourself, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    The discussion here is not who's right or who's wrong. The
    discussion is who might win, you semi-literate, lowbrow,
    mouthbreathing inbred.

    Learn to fucking read, you shameless motherfucking frog.

    Heh! Heh! You lost it! Next you will be calling everyone a Nazi.
    Loser   loser   loser mmmmm Really a loser. '-]


    Yes, I lost it. I have low tolerance for semi-literate lowbrow n
    mouthbreathing inbreds.

    If such is the case. I fear that if you look in the mirror you would go suicidal.


    Pax, you have a killer sense of humor.....

    Chasseur

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Chasseur@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 25 20:18:56 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    Le 2022-09-25 à 18:17, Mighty Wannabe a écrit :
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/25/2022 2:28 PM:
    On 9/25/2022 6:02 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    PaxPerPoten wrote on 9/24/2022 10:17 PM:
    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after
    they surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    You still have the mindset of 'Nam on how wars are fought. When
    Russia officially declares war on Ukraine, it will be missiles
    leveling Kiev.

    Do you remember the firebombing of Dresden and atomic bombings of
    Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Those were civilian targets. The US didn't
    win WWII with grunts on the frontline duking it out with enemy
    soldiers. Russia can bomb the shit out of Kiev with missiles without
    Russian warplanes or Russian troops getting anywhere near Ukraine.

    Dream on Moron. In fact move to your paradise in Russia and you can
    witness the end of your world if Russia did do something that stupid.
    With China on Russia's existing borders, it is doubtful that Russia
    will chance any kind of direct war that would weaken its military
    stance any more then it is. I will ask again, Just what is your profit
    in destruction of the Western countries that are keeping your world
    alive and well fed? If you are just suicidal? please just off yourself
    and
    don't share with us your delusions.>

    Is it because you are American and I am Canadian so we have to ignore
    the facts and lie about what's happening in Ukraine?

    What are you babbling about "With China on Russia's existing borders"?
    China and Russia need each other to counter the US. China and Russia had their differences but they are now in good terms. China cannot let
    Russia lose because the US will attack China if Russia is no more. Read
    the Chinese novel about the "Three Kingdoms".

    The ancient Chinese history of the Three Kingdoms is repeating itself on
    a global scale: China - Russia - US.

    Romance of the Three Kingdoms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romance_of_the_Three_Kingdoms

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms https://inf.news/en/history/a7d1b2416260b0bc3792e5a375f9bc7d.html


    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script? Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    2022-09-24 19:43 HKT

    As early as 2009, the United States put forward the idea of ​​G2. Regardless of g20, g7, and g8, the world has the final say on the United States and China. This is G2.

    At that time, Summers, director of the National Economic Council of the United States, even declared in a very low-key manner that "the United
    States is no longer the locomotive of the world" and deliberately gave
    up the position of the protagonist.

    There is nothing new under the sun. Isn't this American trick a bit like
    a replica of what Cao Cao said to Liu Bei back then of "the heroes of
    the world, only the king and Caoer"? Isn't it a bit like Sun Quan's
    letter to persuade Cao Cao to be the emperor, Cao Cao mocked "I want to
    make me live above the fire", you kid is trying to put me on fire?

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    The general trend of the world, divided for a long time must be united,
    and for a long time must be divided. This is the law of China's
    historical changes and development. It is also the law of the game among major powers in international relations. It is also the law of struggle
    or friendship between China, the United States and Russia in the past 70 years.

    So, who can rule the world, or say, win to the end?

    As the world's most powerful country after World War II, the United
    States is undoubtedly the contemporary Cao Wei-with comprehensive
    advantages and strategic dominance.

    At the beginning of the Cold War, China fell to the Soviet Union and
    joined hands against the United States. By the 1960s, the two countries
    fell apart. Then China and the United States turned their enemies into friends, established diplomatic relations in 1979, and joined hands
    against the Soviet Union. In the 1980s, Sino-Soviet relations began to
    thaw. China, the United States and Russia have formed an unequal
    triangular relationship.

    Therefore, from the 1950s to the late 1980s, the United States and
    Russia were the protagonists at both ends of Libra, while China was the weight. Whoever leans against can occupy a favorable position.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    After the disintegration of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russia's influence diminished, but after Putin came to power, he cleaned up the mess, kept
    the basics, and still plays a decisive role in the world. China has
    risen due to reform and opening up, and has gradually taken to the
    center of the international arena. The United States, on the other hand,
    has been over consumption due to the war on terrorism for more than 10
    years, and its strength has declined sharply after its domestic de-industrialization.

    Therefore, after the disintegration of the Soviet Union, China, the
    United States and Russia formed a new triangular relationship. Just like
    Sun and Liu joined forces to fight against Cao, China and Russia joined forces to fight against the United States and report to the group for
    warmth.

    After the US-Russia summit, the outside world has been concerned about
    when Biden will meet with Chinese leaders. In this regard, US National Security Adviser Sullivan stated at a press conference that President
    Biden is willing to have "any form" of meetings with Chinese leaders,
    but there is currently no specific plan, and both leaders will be
    present in October. The G20 summit. As for their personal relationship,
    Biden said, "We know each other, but we are not good friends, just
    official relations."

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    In contrast, the personal relations between the leaders of China and
    Russia, just like the relationship between the two countries, are "the
    best intimate friends." In terms of official definition, Sino-Russian relations are also in the "best period in history." Therefore, China and Russia can see through any attempts to split them.

    On the economic front, China and Russia announced their intention to
    weaken the dominance of the U.S. dollar in international trade. Since
    last year, most of the trade between the two sides has been paid in
    Russian rubles, Chinese yuan or euros. For Russia, this helps weaken the strength of US economic sanctions.

    In the field of military security, this year marks the 20th anniversary
    of the signing of the Sino-Russian Treaty of Good-Neighborliness,
    Friendship and Cooperation. The Ministry of National Defense of China
    issued a statement in March this year that it will implement the
    important consensus reached by the heads of state of China and Russia, conduct in-depth cooperation in high-level exchanges, strategic
    coordination, joint exercises, equipment and technology, and
    comprehensively develop Sino-Russian military relations. I believe this direction will not change. In addition, the Chinese and Russian armed
    forces jointly held joint military exercises from Central Asia to
    Russia, and then to the Baltic Sea, the Western Pacific and the Indian
    Ocean. The progress of joint patrols of strategic bombers in Japan's sea
    and sky shows that China and Russia are willing to form a united front against the US military presence in this area.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    Moreover, China's military industry is also developing rapidly. Russian defense expert Polonchuk published an article in the "Military Courier" magazine and pointed out that at present, in addition to being
    interested in Russia's most advanced weapon models, China is gradually abandoning its previous bulk purchase of Russian-made weapons in favor
    of brand-new military technology. Cooperative transformation. In other
    words, the era of Russia's comprehensive superiority in weapons and
    equipment has passed.

    It seems that Sino-Russian relations are like iron plates, and the possibility of shaking them is very low. In the "Sino-Russian Treaty of Good-Neighborliness, Friendship and Cooperation" signed 20 years ago,
    one of the clauses stipulated: When one of the contracting parties
    believes that they are threatened by aggression, the two parties will immediately engage and negotiate to eliminate the threat. In a joint statement of more than 5,000 words issued by the two countries this
    week, there are many important new expressions, the second of which
    says: Russia needs a prosperous and stable China, and China needs a
    strong and successful Russia.

    However, as China's national strength has improved, new changes have
    taken place in the relationship between the three countries. China and
    the United States have become the protagonists at both ends of Libra,
    while Russia has become the weight. China needs to hug her for warmth
    and gain momentum; the United States needs to improve relations with her
    in order to concentrate on dealing with China. As the power fluctuates, Moscow has become a sweet pastel in the competition between China and
    the United States.

    The United States is also very aware of the decline in its own strength.
    In order to contain China, in the future, he is bound to take more
    measures to show his favor to Russia. Right now, the United States has
    an opportunity to consider how Russia's interests are considered when Ukraine's accession to the European Union, especially NATO's accession,
    and relax sanctions against Russia as the situation progresses. This may
    play a positive role and help Russia to adjust and coordinate with
    Russia. American relations.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    On January 26 this year, the first week after Biden took office, the
    first call to foreign heads of state was also Putin. After visiting the
    main White House for five months, Putin was invited for talks during his first overseas visit. This has fully illustrated the weight of Russia.
    Some Russian analysts pointed out that Putin and Biden met as presidents
    for the first time. As long as they can be brought into the meeting, it
    is an achievement in itself.

    On June 16, the US and Russian heads of state held a summit in Geneva.
    After the meeting, the two sides issued a joint statement announcing
    that the two countries will conduct bilateral strategic stability
    dialogues on issues such as arms control and reducing the risk of
    conflict. The two sides also agreed to conduct diplomatic consultations
    to allow the ambassadors of both sides to return to the host country to
    start work.

    Russian President Vladimir Putin said that he and President Biden had a two-and-a-half-hour meeting, and the content was entirely on political topics. The results of the summit have determined the key positions on
    which the United States and Russia can approach. In the future, "to what extent the United States is prepared, to what extent we are ready to
    continue this kind of dialogue." Putin hopes that the situation of
    US-Russian relations in the past few years will not repeat itself.

    Russian Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zakharova said on June 22 that the agreement reached by the two heads of state in Geneva is being actively implemented. The US responded relatively cautiously. "Reuters" quoted a
    U.S. official as saying: "This is not a strategic change. It will take
    some time to see if these potential areas of cooperation really have results."

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    So can the US-Russia summit really achieve the results expected by the US?

    Zakharov, a senior Russian diplomat, said in an interview with the
    Russian Satellite News Agency that this is a constructive meeting
    dedicated to easing the relations between the two countries in the
    military and strategic field. Other experts believe that the US-Russia
    summit first talked about political and military strategy and other
    sensitive issues, and it seemed that the relationship between the two countries could be seen to develop in the direction of relaxation.

    However, most media and experts agree that the summit is only symbolic. U.S.-Russian relations have been ossified for many years, and the ice breaking will face numerous obstacles.

    The Chinese media is also very concerned about the contacts between the
    US and Russian heads of state and their subsequent development. Just a
    few days before the summit, the Global Times, a subsidiary of the
    People's Daily, interviewed Denisov, the Russian ambassador to China,
    and raised two sensitive issues.

    China, America, Russia, New Romance of the Three Kingdoms, how about the script?Wei, Shu and Wu, where does China occupy?

    The reporter asked him that the Biden administration might ease
    relations with Russia in order to concentrate on dealing with China.
    Will Russia alienate China and get closer to the United States?

    Denisov replied: "This view is too short-sighted, it can't happen."

    The reporter also asked, if there is an armed conflict between China and
    the United States, what position will Russia take?

    Denisov said very skillfully: "This question will not have an answer,
    because I am convinced that there will be no armed conflicts between
    China and the United States, just as there will be no armed conflicts
    between Russia and the United States." Humans disappeared. Obviously, he
    was talking about nuclear weapons. This is also the consensus reached at
    the US-Russia summit: once a nuclear war breaks out, no one will win.
    But the question is, what if there is a localized conventional war
    between China and the United States? To be more specific, what about conventional armed conflicts due to the Taiwan Province issue?

    Analyzing from the diplomatic terms of the ambassador, Putin will not be without a case. His first consideration is not the issue of position,
    but how to ensure Russia's maximum influence when conflicts between
    China and the United States, and then reverse and establish Russia's new historical position in the game of great powers. Therefore, this is also
    the main strategic consideration for the three countries of China, the
    United States and Russia not to talk about war, because any conflict
    between the two parties is tantamount to giving a third party an
    opportunity to take advantage of the situation. Therefore, the best
    strategy is to maintain a balanced relationship between the three
    countries. Denisov has already expressed this idea in the interview and
    hopes that the trilateral relations between China, the United States and Russia can maintain a balance. This is not difficult to understand. He
    would say that Russia is short-sighted when it distances itself from
    China and approaches the United States.

    Therefore, the current world situation is undergoing the biggest change
    in a century. The triangular relationship between China, the United
    States and Russia is also being readjusted. Maintaining a balance and
    acting in accordance with international rules should be the safest
    approach.

    No, no, no, Wannabe your are not a Canadian. You are a hostile alien who
    has overstayed his welcome in Canada.You will be much happier in China.
    Time to go back to Xi.

    Chasseur

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Sun Sep 25 19:35:27 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 9/25/22 15:38, PaxPerPoten wrote:
    The old Ukrainian Cossack spirit is still alive and remembers the 8
    million Ukrainians that were butchered by the Russian Bolsheviks.

    https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/odr/cossack-against-cossack/

    Careful how you throw 'Cossack' around. The Ukrainians adding the
    Cossacks to their mythology is like the attempt to link the US democracy
    to the Iroquois Confederacy.

    https://www.pbs.org/native-america/blogs/native-voices/how-the-iroquois-great-law-of-peace-shaped-us-democracy/

    Note that the Iroquois peace only applied to Iroquois. They killed
    everyone else in the general vicinity.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beaver_Wars

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 1 15:33:19 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    "rbowman" wrote in message news:jpbf30FaartU1@mid.individual.net...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehousing

    Did carpet-bombing Hamburg, Dresden, and Tokyo end WWII? No.

    Did pounding Pyongyang into rubble end the Korean War? No.

    Did bombing Hanoi and Haiphong end Vietnam? Sure, a "treaty" was signed but
    the war still went on until Saigon fell.

    Did bombing Baghdad make Saddam Hussein surrender?

    Dictators don't give a shit about their populations. All they care about is their own lives and those of the Praetorian guards needed to keep them in power.

    But with today's technology, we can single out these autocrats and take them out with pinpoint precision, with few if any collateral casualties. However, the next tyrant may well be worse than the one you just got rid of...

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to Byker on Sat Oct 1 15:32:19 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    "PaxPerPoten" wrote in message news:tgoo94$37bs6$4@dont-email.me...

    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers? Do
    you really think they need the handicap?

    Would you rather see them fighting for Russia?

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Byker on Sat Oct 1 16:27:21 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 10/1/2022 3:32 PM, Byker wrote:
    "PaxPerPoten"  wrote in message news:tgoo94$37bs6$4@dont-email.me...

    On 9/22/2022 1:35 PM, Byker wrote:
    Russia says 300,000 reservists to be mobilized

    Undoubtedly Ukraine would appreciate 300,000 new citizens after they
    surrender and defect...

    What would the Ukraine do with 300,000, very badly trained soldiers?
    Do you really think they need the handicap?

    Would you rather see them fighting for Russia?

    300,000 Russian fuckups would certainly give Ukraine a massive
    advantage. I doubt that the Ukraine has the resources to feed and cloth
    300,000 Cannon fodder. As for the Cannon Fodder...Their best bet is to
    flee the conflicted area. Or get trained for battle field survival.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From rbowman@21:1/5 to Byker on Sat Oct 1 16:36:21 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 10/1/22 14:33, Byker wrote:
    But with today's technology, we can single out these autocrats and take
    them
    out with pinpoint precision, with few if any collateral casualties.
    However,
    the next tyrant may well be worse than the one you just got rid of...

    In the era of Predators and their many equivalents people have been
    showing remarkable restraint.

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  • From Byker@21:1/5 to rbowman on Tue Oct 18 19:04:16 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.politics, talk.politics.misc
    XPost: alt.survival

    "rbowman" wrote in message news:jpbf30FaartU1@mid.individual.net...

    Lindemann, Bomber Harris, and Churchill should have been in the dock at Nuremberg.

    What about Curt LeMay?

    “I’ll tell you what war is about. You’ve got to kill people, and when you’ve
    killed enough they stop fighting.”

    “Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal.”

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