I remember the term, sounding, rocket. In the cold war days they may have been used by both sides to test the early warning radar. They
were physically small.

And they were mostly undetectable. Think of a two foot long re-entry cone. This is extremely useful to test NORAD. The local police would say "what the hell is that" when found by accident. They targeted the plains areas near US operations, like out in the the plains region.

I would just say "stay cool" if found in Ukraine.

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On 24/10/2022 06:11, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

I remember the term, sounding, rocket. In the cold war days they may have been used by both sides to test the early warning radar. They
were physically small.

And they were mostly undetectable. Think of a two foot long re-entry cone. This is extremely useful to test NORAD. The local police would say "what the hell is that" when found by accident. They targeted the plains areas near US operations, like out in the the plains region.

I would just say "stay cool" if found in Ukraine.

More Eagleson bollocks


1) In 1982 the standard test target for the Royal Navy was a 4.5" shell,
the Class 22 Frigates tested their Sea Wolf Missiles by firing at then
on the range, now if they can detect and hit on object that size the
idea that they couldnt see a sounding rocket is absurd.

2) In WW2 British Radar systems could detect V2's being launched from France

3) Sounding rockets are typically used for atmospheric and meteorlogical research and are routinely tracked by Radar. The British SkylardkRockets
are still in use launched from a site in the Shetland Islands

You may have stumbled unknowingly on to a truth however, some more
modern sounding rockets carry a GPS receiver and a transmitter to give
dynamic positions without the need for a radar system. That way you can
drive to an interesting location in the middle of nowhere and fire it
from a mobile launcher.

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On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:02:30 AM UTC+8, Keith Willshaw wrote:

On 24/10/2022 06:11, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

I remember the term, sounding, rocket. In the cold war days they may have been used by both sides to test the early warning radar. They
were physically small.

And they were mostly undetectable. Think of a two foot long re-entry cone. This is extremely useful to test NORAD. The local police would say "what the hell is that" when found by accident. They targeted the plains areas near US operations, like out in the the plains region.

I would just say "stay cool" if found in Ukraine.

More Eagleson bollocks

1) In 1982 the standard test target for the Royal Navy was a 4.5" shell,
the Class 22 Frigates tested their Sea Wolf Missiles by firing at then
on the range, now if they can detect and hit on object that size the
idea that they couldnt see a sounding rocket is absurd.

2) In WW2 British Radar systems could detect V2's being launched from France

3) Sounding rockets are typically used for atmospheric and meteorlogical research and are routinely tracked by Radar. The British SkylardkRockets
are still in use launched from a site in the Shetland Islands

You may have stumbled unknowingly on to a truth however, some more
modern sounding rockets carry a GPS receiver and a transmitter to give dynamic positions without the need for a radar system. That way you can
drive to an interesting location in the middle of nowhere and fire it
from a mobile launcher.

Both sides I guess are preparing for a dirty bomb event.
Doing radiation measurements to find the epicenter
will be required.

Two methods are available. Maybe do both.

Method one: run around with a gps and radiation meter and radio relay the results
the command. This method doesn't use onsite data to project the next survey data point. So survey path is an after thought.

Method two: Get a topographic map and survey on well defined paths two
and from land markers such as road intersections, hill tops, dams, and
compass heading to and from these markers. A gps route can serve
to mark distance along path.

Either method can be used for a first survey recordation. In general
the goal is to use onsite data to define contours. Then plan routes
to point to the epicenter.

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On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 4:39:12 AM UTC+8, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 at 2:02:30 AM UTC+8, Keith Willshaw wrote:

On 24/10/2022 06:11, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

I remember the term, sounding, rocket. In the cold war days they may have been used by both sides to test the early warning radar. They
were physically small.

And they were mostly undetectable. Think of a two foot long re-entry cone.
This is extremely useful to test NORAD. The local police would say "what the hell is that" when found by accident. They targeted the plains areas near US operations, like out in the the plains region.

I would just say "stay cool" if found in Ukraine.

More Eagleson bollocks

1) In 1982 the standard test target for the Royal Navy was a 4.5" shell, the Class 22 Frigates tested their Sea Wolf Missiles by firing at then
on the range, now if they can detect and hit on object that size the
idea that they couldnt see a sounding rocket is absurd.

2) In WW2 British Radar systems could detect V2's being launched from France

3) Sounding rockets are typically used for atmospheric and meteorlogical research and are routinely tracked by Radar. The British SkylardkRockets are still in use launched from a site in the Shetland Islands

You may have stumbled unknowingly on to a truth however, some more
modern sounding rockets carry a GPS receiver and a transmitter to give dynamic positions without the need for a radar system. That way you can drive to an interesting location in the middle of nowhere and fire it
from a mobile launcher.

Both sides I guess are preparing for a dirty bomb event.
Doing radiation measurements to find the epicenter
will be required.

Two methods are available. Maybe do both.

Method one: run around with a gps and radiation meter and radio relay the results
the command. This method doesn't use onsite data to project the next survey data point. So survey path is an after thought.

Method two: Get a topographic map and survey on well defined paths two
and from land markers such as road intersections, hill tops, dams, and compass heading to and from these markers. A gps route can serve
to mark distance along path.

Either method can be used for a first survey recordation. In general
the goal is to use onsite data to define contours. Then plan routes
to point to the epicenter.

I forgot: Put a 1000 Curie Cobalt or Cesium source on a robot. A little
four wheeler currently used by one or both sides. Wheel it to a trench.
And let it do it's business. Have a failsafe mode to prevent it from
being sent back at you. So the other side causes an accident.

Proper handling is required of course. Have a simple source loading procedure. Have a lead box for local loading.

It is classified as a subcategory of a dirty bomb?

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On 27/10/2022 22:59, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

I forgot: Put a 1000 Curie Cobalt or Cesium source on a robot. A little four wheeler currently used by one or both sides. Wheel it to a trench.
And let it do it's business. Have a failsafe mode to prevent it from
being sent back at you. So the other side causes an accident.

Proper handling is required of course. Have a simple source loading procedure. Have a lead box for local loading.

It is classified as a subcategory of a dirty bomb?

No its classed as an unpleasant way of killing youself while doing
minimal damage.

1000 Ci is a typical source used in radiotherapy but you have forgotten
a fundamental law of physics, the inverse square law - look it up.

So your cunning plan would be very nasty for the poor sap loading the
source from the lead box and of course your robot and its operator would
be a priority target for mortars, artillery, mortars and AT weapons.
Finally of course the enemy would retaliate with a weapon that is
actually effective, accurate and powerful like GPS guided cluster
munitions or switchblade drones. Ask the Russians about them, there is a
reason so many senior Russian commanders have died in Ukraine.

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On 27/10/2022 21:39, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

Both sides I guess are preparing for a dirty bomb event.
Doing radiation measurements to find the epicenter
will be required.

Two methods are available. Maybe do both.

Method one: run around with a gps and radiation meter and radio relay the results
the command. This method doesn't use onsite data to project the next survey data point. So survey path is an after thought.

Method two: Get a topographic map and survey on well defined paths two
and from land markers such as road intersections, hill tops, dams, and compass heading to and from these markers. A gps route can serve
to mark distance along path.

Either method can be used for a first survey recordation. In general
the goal is to use onsite data to define contours. Then plan routes
to point to the epicenter.

Alternatively you just use the system we used to track the radiation
release after the Chernoby disaster and the post war nuclear tests. A
simple flight downwind of the target collecting data and samples worked
well enough in the 1940's and still does. As someone who was involved
in the nuclear industry from 1972 to 1996 I can say the USAAF (and RAF)
knew more about this stuff in 1956 than you do in 2022.

BTW recordation is not a word - recording is but plotting is what you
do. If you have GPS you already know the way point locations. The RAF
were plotting fallout plumes in Australia after the Nuclear tests that
took place between 1952 and 1957.

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On Sunday, October 30, 2022 at 10:03:29 PM UTC+8, Keith Willshaw wrote:

On 27/10/2022 21:39, Douglas Eagleson wrote:

Both sides I guess are preparing for a dirty bomb event.
Doing radiation measurements to find the epicenter
will be required.

Two methods are available. Maybe do both.

Method one: run around with a gps and radiation meter and radio relay the results
the command. This method doesn't use onsite data to project the next survey data point. So survey path is an after thought.

Method two: Get a topographic map and survey on well defined paths two
and from land markers such as road intersections, hill tops, dams, and compass heading to and from these markers. A gps route can serve
to mark distance along path.

Either method can be used for a first survey recordation. In general
the goal is to use onsite data to define contours. Then plan routes
to point to the epicenter.

Alternatively you just use the system we used to track the radiation
release after the Chernoby disaster and the post war nuclear tests. A
simple flight downwind of the target collecting data and samples worked
well enough in the 1940's and still does. As someone who was involved
in the nuclear industry from 1972 to 1996 I can say the USAAF (and RAF)
knew more about this stuff in 1956 than you do in 2022.

BTW recordation is not a word - recording is but plotting is what you
do. If you have GPS you already know the way point locations. The RAF
were plotting fallout plumes in Australia after the Nuclear tests that
took place between 1952 and 1957.

Finding the detonation site is harder than you think. DOE choppers
would be ideal. But none are in the war zone now.

I once uttered incorrectly about the USA Airforce air sample program.
I got a managerial "X" in my records.

I went to a conference given by the inspection leader for the IRAQ
review. He had an attitude problem. Somebody on the team questioned
the meaning of high level filtration for a building. Arguing over
the meaning of filtration direction gets you a "X" mark.

He recently admitted doing a failed survey.

An English Mans involvement was taken as lying to the Queen.
Somebody hit him with a "run you down" security team.
He may have committed suicide.

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