• Re: China Pissed Because USA To Deliver Nuke-Capable B-52s to Australia

    From Vincent@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 2 00:52:38 2022
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    XPost: alt.military, alt.politics.australia

    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race

    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

      Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
      swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
      probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
      unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

      Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
      deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
      and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
      That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
      missiles and ICBMs and such.

      But it's all appearances and politics.

      And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
      after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the
    constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President Wilson
    demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered with his plans
    for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally until then. Their
    only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and China to beat China to
    the punch. That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about.
    Thank the Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have
    hanged Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was very
    competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat. Even had to
    make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China can't beat us,
    but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. Destruction of America
    Armed forces from within.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Vincent on Wed Nov 2 07:49:08 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military, alt.politics.australia

    Vincent wrote on 11/2/2022 1:52 AM:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the constant attempts by China to invade both.

    Where did you get this nonsense? I have watched a lot of WWI
    documentaries on YouTube. Japan and all European powers had colonies and "concessions" in China. (That's what drove China into a communist
    republic after WWII, which came 20 years after the end of WWI). Germany
    had the colony "Tsing Tao" in northeast China as a "coaling station" (battleships burn a lot of coal each mile at sea). Great Britain allied
    with Japan to take Tsing Tao to starve German fleet of fuel in the
    Pacific theatre.

    Siege of Tsingtao
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tsingtao

    Our Moron President Wilson demanded that they disband that treaty as
    it interfered with his plans for a "League of Nations". Japan had been
    our ally until then. Their only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia,
    and China to beat China to the punch. That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about.

    Don't forget the US has its own imperial ambitions.

    Thank the Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should
    have hanged Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was
    very competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat. Even
    had to make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China can't
    beat us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. Destruction of America Armed forces from within.



    You shouldn't blame Trump or Biden or their predecessors. Empires rise
    and fall. Where is the mighty Roman Empire now? The Ottoman Empire? The Spanish Empire? The German Empire? The British Empire?

    The American Empire has had a good run for a century. Don't blame
    yourself or anybody else for its decline. It's written in the stars.

    Elton John & Leann Rimes - Written in the Stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcx5DIeUU3I


    Roman Empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire

    Ottoman Empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Empire

    Spanish Empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Empire

    German Empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire

    British Empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire

    American Empire
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism

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  • From 26C.Z968@21:1/5 to Vincent on Wed Nov 2 20:34:08 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 11/2/22 1:52 AM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President Wilson demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered with his plans
    for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally until then. Their
    only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and China to beat China to
    the punch.

    The horse-shit is getting pretty deep here .....

    China was in NO position to invade anybody, it was
    still almost entirely agrarian and its mil-tech was
    barely past medieval.

    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about.
    Thank the Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have hanged Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was very competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat. Even had to
    make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China can't beat us,
    but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. Destruction of America
    Armed forces from within.

    "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
    and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
    Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
    real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
    the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
    its number of ICBM silos for one. I wonder how many Hunter's
    biz dealings bought ? They also have trans-orbital "hyper-
    sonics" now that there's really no defense against, might
    not even notice them until it's WAY too late. Then their
    gen-II AI autonomous micro-subs/torpedoes and gigantic
    army and .......

    China is EXTREMELY dangerous - it just doesn't bang shoes
    on the table and scream about it.

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  • From Vincent@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Thu Nov 3 21:24:39 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military, alt.politics.australia

    On 11/2/2022 6:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/2/2022 1:52 AM:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race

    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the
    constant attempts by China to invade both.

    Where did you get this nonsense? I have watched a lot of WWI
    documentaries on YouTube. Japan and all European powers had colonies and "concessions" in China. (That's what drove China into a communist
    republic after WWII, which came 20 years after the end of WWI). Germany
    had the colony "Tsing Tao" in northeast China as a "coaling station" (battleships burn a lot of coal each mile at sea). Great Britain allied
    with Japan to take Tsing Tao to starve German fleet of fuel in the
    Pacific theatre.

    It is truly regretful that you are such an ignorant bastard, but what
    can one expect from a Leftist fool? Go back and do your homework, Moron!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Vincent@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 3 22:01:23 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 11/2/2022 7:34 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/2/22 1:52 AM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race


    As for the Arms race..It has started.and a while back.
    Huge arms contracts have been let to the top 5 contractors ...Close to a $Trillion Dollars with top contender Lockheed Martin and number 5
    General Dynamics. Being is in the mix.


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the
    constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President Wilson
    demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered with his plans
    for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally until then. Their
    only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and China to beat China to
    the punch.

      The horse-shit is getting pretty deep here .....


    Fuck you!


      China was in NO position to invade anybody, it was
      still almost entirely agrarian and its mil-tech was
      barely past medieval.

    Uh Huh... The Boxer Rebellion, American patrols to back up the British
    drug trade during the 1800's up to the WW's A whole encyclopedia of wars
    in that region of the world. Go visit a library. Or better yet...Do some
    ass in the Grass jobs with the Marines or what ever.


    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about. Thank the
    Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have hanged
    Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was very
    competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat. Even had
    to make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China can't beat
    us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. Destruction of
    America Armed forces from within.

      "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
      and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
      Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
      real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    That's a given.... China cannot beat us! Can do a lot of damage though.
    But that is it. As for a win. Your damned betcha we can. But whats left
    won't be worth owning.


      Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
      the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
      its number of ICBM silos for one.

    Do you really believe China is Suicidal?(Sarcasm)

    I wonder how many Hunter's
      biz dealings bought ? They also have trans-orbital "hyper-
      sonics"

    Do you even have any idea what ALL of the Western countries would/could
    counter with?

    now that there's really no defense against, might
      not even notice them until it's WAY too late. Then their
      gen-II AI autonomous micro-subs/torpedoes and gigantic
      army and .......

    I have also noted our weapons research for a long time. When you become
    a top military advisor for our Democratic-Republic, then and only then
    will I possibly add you to the information stream about what we can or
    cannot do. China at the present time cannot even solve its water shortage.

      China is EXTREMELY dangerous - it just doesn't bang shoes
      on the table and scream about it.

    Actually China for the last 80 years has played its cards very close to
    the chest. Maybe you should start your History of China when they owned Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and a lot of others. Japan has ancient
    hatreds of China and Korea. Which have been reciprocated for a thousand
    years or more. The Rape of Nanking will show you the love shared by
    Japan and China.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com › rape-of-nanking-massacre

    The word Kamikazi comes from the Great Chinese fleet that was wiped by
    one while attacking China in earlier times. It means divine wind.

    Actually we are more in danger of being talked to death by the Sky is
    Falling *Wannabe*. Is he another of Rudy's socks?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From 26C.Z968@21:1/5 to Vincent on Fri Nov 4 00:00:31 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 11/3/22 11:01 PM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/2/2022 7:34 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/2/22 1:52 AM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race



    As for the Arms race..It has started.and a while back.
    Huge arms contracts have been let to the top 5 contractors ...Close to a $Trillion Dollars with top contender Lockheed Martin and number 5
    General Dynamics. Being is in the mix.


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the
    constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President Wilson
    demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered with his
    plans for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally until then.
    Their only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and China to beat
    China to the punch.

       The horse-shit is getting pretty deep here .....


    Fuck you!


    No thanks. I do have (some) standards :-)

    2-digit IQs are OFF THE LIST.


       China was in NO position to invade anybody, it was
       still almost entirely agrarian and its mil-tech was
       barely past medieval.

    Uh Huh... The Boxer Rebellion, American patrols to back up the British
    drug trade during the 1800's up to the WW's A whole encyclopedia of wars
    in that region of the world. Go visit a library. Or better yet...Do some
    ass in the Grass jobs with the Marines or what ever.

    The Boxer Rebellion ?????????????????

    That was fought with clubs and knives for
    the most part and was ancient history even
    in the 1930s.

    Tryin' WAY too hard there .....


    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about. Thank the
    Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have hanged
    Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was very
    competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat. Even had
    to make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China can't beat
    us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. Destruction of
    America Armed forces from within.

       "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
       and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
       Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
       real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    That's a given.... China cannot beat us! Can do a lot of damage though.
    But that is it. As for a win. Your damned betcha we can. But whats left
    won't be worth owning.


    King of the (radioactive) shit-pile ? What a victory ....


       Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
       the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
       its number of ICBM silos for one.

    Do you really believe  China is Suicidal?(Sarcasm)


    Xi knows he can burn half the population or more and
    STILL be a big power, STILL in-charge.


     I wonder how many Hunter's
       biz dealings bought ? They also have trans-orbital "hyper-
       sonics"

    Do you even have any idea what ALL of the Western countries would/could counter with?


    Yes ... but again you just wind up as King Of The (Radioactive)
    Shit-Pile. No victory. None at all.

    If China is to be beaten, it has to be from WITHIN.

    But that population is long used to bowing before
    its emperors .....


     now that there's really no defense against, might
       not even notice them until it's WAY too late. Then their
       gen-II AI autonomous micro-subs/torpedoes and gigantic
       army and .......

    I have also noted our weapons research for a long time. When you become
    a top military advisor for our Democratic-Republic, then and only then
    will I possibly add you to the information stream about what we can or
    cannot do. China at the present time cannot even solve its water shortage.


    Can it intercept 99+ percent of China's ICBMs ? 99+ percent
    of its hypersonics ? 99+ percent of its sub/ship-launched
    systems ??? And who knows what they've put into orbit. If NOT ...
    then the USA becomes a burnt-out radioactive SHIT PILE. It
    would literally only take about a dozen good megaton+ hits to
    accomplish that. The fallout would spread widely, The System
    would implode ... starvation, anarchy and disease would do
    the rest.

    1st-world countries are 1st-world countries because everything
    works SMOOTHLY, EFFICIENTLY, stuff arrives Just In Time, checks
    clear, everything is insured, backups exist ...... Even a dozen
    good nuke hits would TRASH that. No more systems, no more
    smoothness, no more efficiency - and the USA and pop are NOT
    set up for 3rd/4th-world living anymore. If you want me to start
    going on in much higher detail about what all would go to shit
    I can spend a long time typing ......... we'd lose ten or twenty
    percent to the immediate attack ... and another 90 percent because
    The System didn't work anymore.

    If you ACTUALLY Knew Shit then you'd know THIS. But clearly
    you don't, so .......


       China is EXTREMELY dangerous - it just doesn't bang shoes
       on the table and scream about it.

    Actually China for the last 80 years has played its cards very close to
    the chest. Maybe you should start your History of China when they owned Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and a lot of others. Japan has ancient
    hatreds of China and Korea. Which have been reciprocated for a thousand
    years or more. The Rape of Nanking will show you the love shared by
    Japan and China.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com › rape-of-nanking-massacre

    The word Kamikazi comes from the Great Chinese fleet that was wiped by
    one while attacking China in earlier times. It means divine wind.

    Actually we are more in danger of being talked to death by the Sky is
    Falling *Wannabe*. Is he another of Rudy's socks?


    China DOES play its games "differently" - a much longer-term
    strategy. But it looks like that "term" is just about over with.
    They just made ambitious Xi the modern equiv of a "god-emperor".
    He has military power, and population, to burn.

    Oh, since Nixon on, the USA has outsourced huge quantities of
    VITAL production and resource-acquisition to China. Xi could
    crush us just by turning off the faucet - it'd be years before
    we could get any replacements up to speed and that'd be WAY
    too late. The supply/manufacturing chain shatters. All fall
    down go boom.

    So put down your propaganda Talking Points and THINK about
    the current realities. They're BAD and our natural inclinations,
    forged by Darwin LONG before there were 'systems', work
    against us. If you are counting on anything different then
    you're a fuckin' MANIAC straight out of "Dr.Strangelove".
    BTW, the few survivors, before they die, are gonna brick-up
    your bunker and pour gasoline down the vents because you're
    the most spectacular FAILURES that ever were.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Vincent on Fri Nov 4 02:13:00 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military, alt.politics.australia

    Vincent wrote on 11/3/2022 10:24 PM:
    On 11/2/2022 6:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/2/2022 1:52 AM:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the
    constant attempts by China to invade both.

    Where did you get this nonsense? I have watched a lot of WWI
    documentaries on YouTube. Japan and all European powers had colonies
    and "concessions" in China. (That's what drove China into a communist
    republic after WWII, which came 20 years after the end of WWI).
    Germany had the colony "Tsing Tao" in northeast China as a "coaling
    station" (battleships burn a lot of coal each mile at sea). Great
    Britain allied with Japan to take Tsing Tao to starve German fleet of
    fuel in the Pacific theatre.

    It is truly regretful that you are such an ignorant bastard, but what
    can one expect from a Leftist fool? Go back and do your homework, Moron!



    You should cite some proof of your ridiculous claim. Prior to WWI China
    didn't even have a decent navy boat to invade Japan or, even worse,
    Australia.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 4 02:25:22 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    26C.Z968 wrote on 11/4/2022 12:00 AM:
    On 11/3/22 11:01 PM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/2/2022 7:34 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/2/22 1:52 AM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race



    As for the Arms race..It has started.and a while back.
    Huge arms contracts have been let to the top 5 contractors ...Close
    to a $Trillion Dollars with top contender Lockheed Martin and number
    5 General Dynamics. Being is in the mix.


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the >>>> constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President
    Wilson demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered with
    his plans for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally until
    then. Their only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and China
    to beat China to the punch.

       The horse-shit is getting pretty deep here .....


    Fuck you!


    No thanks. I do have (some) standards  :-)

    2-digit IQs are OFF THE LIST.


       China was in NO position to invade anybody, it was
       still almost entirely agrarian and its mil-tech was
       barely past medieval.

    Uh Huh... The Boxer Rebellion, American patrols to back up the
    British drug trade during the 1800's up to the WW's A whole
    encyclopedia of wars in that region of the world. Go visit a library.
    Or better yet...Do some ass in the Grass jobs with the Marines or
    what ever.

      The Boxer Rebellion ?????????????????

      That was fought with clubs and knives for
      the most part and was ancient history even
      in the 1930s.

      Tryin' WAY too hard there .....




    The rebels used their bare fists. They were trained in martial-art. The English historians didn't have the word "Kung Fu" in those days, so they
    used their familiar word "boxer" to describe the Kung Fu fighters. So it
    became "Boxer Rebellion" instead of "Kung Fu fighter Rebellion".




    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about. Thank the
    Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have
    hanged Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was
    very competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat.
    Even had to make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China
    can't beat us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will.
    Destruction of America Armed forces from within.

       "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
       and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
       Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
       real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    That's a given.... China cannot beat us! Can do a lot of damage
    though. But that is it. As for a win. Your damned betcha we can. But
    whats left won't be worth owning.


      King of the (radioactive) shit-pile ? What a victory ....


       Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
       the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
       its number of ICBM silos for one.

    Do you really believe  China is Suicidal?(Sarcasm)


      Xi knows he can burn half the population or more and
      STILL be a big power, STILL in-charge.


      I wonder how many Hunter's
       biz dealings bought ? They also have trans-orbital "hyper-
       sonics"

    Do you even have any idea what ALL of the Western countries
    would/could counter with?


      Yes ... but again you just wind up as King Of The (Radioactive)
      Shit-Pile. No victory. None at all.

      If China is to be beaten, it has to be from WITHIN.

      But that population is long used to bowing before
      its emperors .....


      now that there's really no defense against, might
       not even notice them until it's WAY too late. Then their
       gen-II AI autonomous micro-subs/torpedoes and gigantic
       army and .......

    I have also noted our weapons research for a long time. When you
    become a top military advisor for our Democratic-Republic, then and
    only then will I possibly add you to the information stream about
    what we can or cannot do. China at the present time cannot even solve
    its water shortage.


      Can it intercept 99+ percent of China's ICBMs ? 99+ percent
      of its hypersonics ? 99+ percent of its sub/ship-launched
      systems ??? And who knows what they've put into orbit. If NOT ...
      then the USA becomes a burnt-out radioactive SHIT PILE. It
      would literally only take about a dozen good megaton+ hits to
      accomplish that. The fallout would spread widely, The System
      would implode ... starvation, anarchy and disease would do
      the rest.

      1st-world countries are 1st-world countries because everything
      works SMOOTHLY, EFFICIENTLY, stuff arrives Just In Time, checks
      clear, everything is insured, backups exist ...... Even a dozen
      good nuke hits would TRASH that. No more systems, no more
      smoothness, no more efficiency - and the USA and pop are NOT
      set up for 3rd/4th-world living anymore. If you want me to start
      going on in much higher detail about what all would go to shit
      I can spend a long time typing ......... we'd lose ten or twenty
      percent to the immediate attack ... and another 90 percent because
      The System didn't work anymore.

      If you ACTUALLY Knew Shit then you'd know THIS. But clearly
      you don't, so .......


       China is EXTREMELY dangerous - it just doesn't bang shoes
       on the table and scream about it.

    Actually China for the last 80 years has played its cards very close
    to the chest. Maybe you should start your History of China when they
    owned Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and a lot of others. Japan has
    ancient
    hatreds of China and Korea. Which have been reciprocated for a
    thousand years or more. The Rape of Nanking will show you the love
    shared by Japan and China.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com › rape-of-nanking-massacre

    The word Kamikazi comes from the Great Chinese fleet that was wiped
    by one while attacking China in earlier times. It means divine wind.

    Actually we are more in danger of being talked to death by the Sky is
    Falling *Wannabe*. Is he another of Rudy's socks?


      China DOES play its games "differently" - a much longer-term
      strategy. But it looks like that "term" is just about over with.
      They just made ambitious Xi the modern equiv of a "god-emperor".
      He has military power, and population, to burn.

      Oh, since Nixon on, the USA has outsourced huge quantities of
      VITAL production and resource-acquisition to China. Xi could
      crush us just by turning off the faucet - it'd be years before
      we could get any replacements up to speed and that'd be WAY
      too late. The supply/manufacturing chain shatters. All fall
      down go boom.

      So put down your propaganda Talking Points and THINK about
      the current realities. They're BAD and our natural inclinations,
      forged by Darwin LONG before there were 'systems', work
      against us. If you are counting on anything different then
      you're a fuckin' MANIAC straight out of "Dr.Strangelove".
      BTW, the few survivors, before they die, are gonna brick-up
      your bunker and pour gasoline down the vents because you're
      the most spectacular FAILURES that ever were.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Vincent@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sat Nov 5 06:20:58 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military, alt.politics.australia

    On 11/4/2022 1:13 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/3/2022 10:24 PM:
    On 11/2/2022 6:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/2/2022 1:52 AM:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race

    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the >>>> constant attempts by China to invade both.

    Where did you get this nonsense? I have watched a lot of WWI
    documentaries on YouTube. Japan and all European powers had colonies
    and "concessions" in China. (That's what drove China into a communist
    republic after WWII, which came 20 years after the end of WWI).
    Germany had the colony "Tsing Tao" in northeast China as a "coaling
    station" (battleships burn a lot of coal each mile at sea). Great
    Britain allied with Japan to take Tsing Tao to starve German fleet of
    fuel in the Pacific theatre.

    It is truly regretful that you are such an ignorant bastard, but what
    can one expect from a Leftist fool? Go back and do your homework, Moron!



    You should cite some proof of your ridiculous claim. Prior to WWI China didn't even have a decent navy boat to invade Japan or, even worse, Australia.

    Try the Dynasty fleets prior to the birth of Christ. If you wish to
    refute some fact, raise your hand and if called on politely display your
    facts on refutation. Maintain a stiff upper lip when your silly proof entertains your betters to the point of laughing at your ignorant embarrassment.


    I wonder if perhaps the world leaders should watch Utube for guidance on
    how to run the world? (Vast Sarcasm)

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Vincent on Sat Nov 5 08:01:49 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military, alt.politics.australia

    Vincent wrote on 11/5/2022 7:20 AM:
    On 11/4/2022 1:13 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/3/2022 10:24 PM:
    On 11/2/2022 6:49 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/2/2022 1:52 AM:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against
    the
    constant attempts by China to invade both.

    Where did you get this nonsense? I have watched a lot of WWI
    documentaries on YouTube. Japan and all European powers had
    colonies and "concessions" in China. (That's what drove China into
    a communist republic after WWII, which came 20 years after the end
    of WWI). Germany had the colony "Tsing Tao" in northeast China as a
    "coaling station" (battleships burn a lot of coal each mile at
    sea). Great Britain allied with Japan to take Tsing Tao to starve
    German fleet of fuel in the Pacific theatre.

    It is truly regretful that you are such an ignorant bastard, but
    what can one expect from a Leftist fool? Go back and do your
    homework, Moron!



    You should cite some proof of your ridiculous claim. Prior to WWI
    China didn't even have a decent navy boat to invade Japan or, even
    worse, Australia.

    Try the Dynasty fleets prior to the birth of Christ.

    Isn't the birth of Christ more than two thousand years ago? Was WWI
    anywhere near two thousand years in the past?


    If you wish to refute some fact, raise your hand and if called on
    politely display your facts on refutation. Maintain a stiff upper lip
    when your silly proof entertains your betters to the point of laughing
    at your ignorant embarrassment.



    You would be fired for saying that to your students.

    I wonder if perhaps the world leaders should watch Utube for guidance
    on how to run the world? (Vast Sarcasm)


    The think tanks in the Pentagon get all their guidance by navel gazing.

    That's why they haven't found out the US military is WEAK and will
    struggle to win a war

    I have been telling these American war hawks who have buried that heads
    up their arses that they don't know the US is a declining empire. The US
    will be suicidal to clash with China and Russia.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11329069/Report-finds-military-WEAK-struggle-win-war.html

    Report finds US military is WEAK and will struggle to win a war: China
    is building more warships, fighter pilots don't have jets or training
    and army can't recruit enough soldiers

        The worrisome trend was aired Tuesday by The Heritage Foundation, a think tank that analyzes the strength of the armed forces and potential threats to the US

        In its Foundation's Index of US Military Strength, Heritage rated
    the military 'weak' and 'at risk' of not being able to protect America's
    vital national interests

        The weak rating, down from 'marginal' recorded by the
    Washington-based agency last year, is the first in the index's nine-year history

        It further found that rapidly advancing China remained the most 'comprehensive security challenge' to an ill-prepared US force

        Aside from the overall 'weak' rating garnered by the military, Heritage provided each of the military branches with their own
    individual rankings

        The Army scored 'marginal,' while the Air Force was ranked 'very
    weak' and the Navy 'weak.' The Marine Corps fared the best, receiving a 'strong' rating

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Vincent@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 5 06:54:14 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 11/3/2022 11:00 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/3/22 11:01 PM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/2/2022 7:34 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/2/22 1:52 AM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race


    As for the Arms race..It has started.and a while back.
    Huge arms contracts have been let to the top 5 contractors ...Close to
    a $Trillion Dollars with top contender Lockheed Martin and number 5
    General Dynamics. Being is in the mix.


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against the >>>> constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President
    Wilson demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered with
    his plans for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally until
    then. Their only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and China to
    beat China to the punch.

       The horse-shit is getting pretty deep here .....

    As for the Horse-shit, that is a product from you horses asses.




    Fuck you!


    No thanks. I do have (some) standards  :-)

    No real American would believe that.



    2-digit IQs are OFF THE LIST.

    So? You are retiring from posting your ridiculous very low IQ comments?


       China was in NO position to invade anybody, it was
       still almost entirely agrarian and its mil-tech was
       barely past medieval.

    Uh Huh... The Boxer Rebellion, American patrols to back up the British
    drug trade during the 1800's up to the WW's A whole encyclopedia of
    wars in that region of the world. Go visit a library. Or better
    yet...Do some ass in the Grass jobs with the Marines or what ever.

      The Boxer Rebellion ?????????????????

      That was fought with clubs and knives for
      the most part and was ancient history even
      in the 1930s.

    Nope...gunpowder.

      Tryin' WAY too hard there .....

    You are arguing with yourself. First you say there was no ability for
    war prior to WWI and then you say there was. How about the Dynasty wars?
    or did y0u forget the huge fleets of Sailing vessels that attack Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia etc...etc..Firing rockets and cannon and smoothbore
    long guns. All powered by Gunpowder inventd before Marco Polo's time.


    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about. Thank the
    Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have hanged
    Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was very
    competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat. Even had
    to make this one a General in order to fill the Job. China can't
    beat us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. Destruction
    of America Armed forces from within.

       "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
       and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
       Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
       real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    That's a given.... China cannot beat us! Can do a lot of damage
    though. But that is it. As for a win. Your damned betcha we can. But
    whats left won't be worth owning.


      King of the (radioactive) shit-pile ? What a victory ....


       Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
       the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
       its number of ICBM silos for one.

    Do you really believe  China is Suicidal?(Sarcasm)


      Xi knows he can burn half the population or more and
      STILL be a big power, STILL in-charge.

    Were you one of the Clinton draft dodgers that spent the Viet Nam war
    doped up in Canada?


      I wonder how many Hunter's
       biz dealings bought ? They also have trans-orbital "hyper-
       sonics"

    Do you even have any idea what ALL of the Western countries
    would/could counter with?


      Yes ... but again you just wind up as King Of The (Radioactive)
      Shit-Pile. No victory. None at all.

      If China is to be beaten, it has to be from WITHIN.

      But that population is long used to bowing before
      its emperors .....

    Times have changed, now the proletariat drives Buick's(made in China).
    I suggest that you visit Aberdeen.


      now that there's really no defense against, might
       not even notice them until it's WAY too late. Then their
       gen-II AI autonomous micro-subs/torpedoes and gigantic
       army and .......

    I have also noted our weapons research for a long time. When you
    become a top military advisor for our Democratic-Republic, then and
    only then will I possibly add you to the information stream about what
    we can or cannot do. China at the present time cannot even solve its
    water shortage.


      Can it intercept 99+ percent of China's ICBMs ? 99+ percent
      of its hypersonics ? 99+ percent of its sub/ship-launched
      systems ??? And who knows what they've put into orbit. If NOT ...
      then the USA becomes a burnt-out radioactive SHIT PILE. It
      would literally only take about a dozen good megaton+ hits to
      accomplish that. The fallout would spread widely, The System
      would implode ... starvation, anarchy and disease would do
      the rest.

    The Sky is falling!!


      1st-world countries are 1st-world countries because everything
      works SMOOTHLY, EFFICIENTLY, stuff arrives Just In Time, checks
      clear, everything is insured, backups exist ......

    Apparently you do not reside on Planet earth.

    Even a dozen
      good nuke hits would TRASH that. No more systems, no more
      smoothness, no more efficiency - and the USA and pop are NOT
      set up for 3rd/4th-world living anymore. If you want me to start
      going on in much higher detail about what all would go to shit
      I can spend a long time typing ......... we'd lose ten or twenty
      percent to the immediate attack ... and another 90 percent because
      The System didn't work anymore.

      If you ACTUALLY Knew Shit then you'd know THIS. But clearly
      you don't, so .......

    Yep. Your just another armchair warrior. Thank God your type is not
    protecting America.


       China is EXTREMELY dangerous - it just doesn't bang shoes
       on the table and scream about it.

    Actually China for the last 80 years has played its cards very close
    to the chest. Maybe you should start your History of China when they
    owned Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and a lot of others. Japan has ancient
    hatreds of China and Korea. Which have been reciprocated for a
    thousand years or more. The Rape of Nanking will show you the love
    shared by Japan and China.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com › rape-of-nanking-massacre

    The word Kamikazi comes from the Great Chinese fleet that was wiped by
    one while attacking China in earlier times. It means divine wind.

    Actually we are more in danger of being talked to death by the Sky is
    Falling *Wannabe*. Is he another of Rudy's socks?


      China DOES play its games "differently" - a much longer-term
      strategy. But it looks like that "term" is just about over with.
      They just made ambitious Xi the modern equiv of a "god-emperor".
      He has military power, and population, to burn.

    In China that can change in a heartbeat. Like in Korea...The Grunts were
    told to charge until we were over run. Amazingly when the bodies built
    up, the Chinese grunts ran in the other direction. Maybe you should do a
    body count on that for comparison. Same thing is happening in the Ukraine.


      Oh, since Nixon on, the USA has outsourced huge quantities of
      VITAL production and resource-acquisition to China. Xi could
      crush us just by turning off the faucet - it'd be years before
      we could get any replacements up to speed and that'd be WAY
      too late. The supply/manufacturing chain shatters. All fall
      down go boom.

    Sure! Sure! That sky is falling again. I believe it is time to export
    you. We really don't need naysayers when it comes to maintaining our
    beautiful strong country. Wannabe is tiring of playing Solitaire in his
    leftist part of Canada. I am sure he would enjoy you company.


      So put down your propaganda Talking Points and THINK about
      the current realities. They're BAD and our natural inclinations,
      forged by Darwin LONG before there were 'systems', work
      against us. If you are counting on anything different then
      you're a fuckin' MANIAC straight out of "Dr.Strangelove".
      BTW, the few survivors, before they die, are gonna brick-up
      your bunker and pour gasoline down the vents because you're
      the most spectacular FAILURES that ever were.

    Actually I liked General Curtis Le may better.

    Are you of French extraction? I have heard of French surrender Monkeys
    but you would be the first I run across.

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  • From Mighty Wannabe@21:1/5 to Vincent on Sat Nov 5 08:44:08 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    Vincent wrote on 11/5/2022 7:54 AM:
    On 11/3/2022 11:00 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/3/22 11:01 PM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/2/2022 7:34 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    On 11/2/22 1:52 AM, Vincent wrote:
    On 11/1/2022 9:17 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-send-b-52-bombers-australia-move-china-warns-could-trigger-arms-race



    As for the Arms race..It has started.and a while back.
    Huge arms contracts have been let to the top 5 contractors ...Close
    to a $Trillion Dollars with top contender Lockheed Martin and number
    5 General Dynamics. Being is in the mix.


    US to send B-52 bombers to Australia in move China warns could
    'trigger' arms race

    US defense official says sending B-52 bombers to Australia part
    of long-standing alliance

    Royal Australian Air Force Base (RAAF) Tindal has long been home
    to U.S. B-52 bombers, but China’s foreign ministry took issue
    with U.S. plans to send up to six nuclear-capable B-52 bombers
    to the base in northern Australia, according to reports Monday.

    Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said the U.S.
    plans to increase its security alliance with Sydney "escalates
    regional tensions"

    . . .

       Um ... I think the only diff of "nuclear-capable" is to
       swap out the bomb rack. Actually, most nukes are now
       probably smaller than 1000-lb conventional bombs ...
       unlike in the 50s when they were *huge* things.

       Oh, and a B-52 is likely the WORST way to try and
       deliver nuclear weapons these days. They're big
       and relatively slow and show up real good on radar.
       That's why we built B-2s and B1-B's and cruise
       missiles and ICBMs and such.

       But it's all appearances and politics.

       And it's probably good to give Xi a *little* shit
       after his ascension to commie godhood ....

    Prior to WWI Australia and Japan had a mutual defense pact against
    the
    constant attempts by China to invade both. Our Moron President
    Wilson demanded that they disband that treaty as it interfered
    with his plans for a "League of Nations". Japan had been our ally
    until then. Their only defense was to invade Korea, Mongolia, and
    China to beat China to the punch.

       The horse-shit is getting pretty deep here .....

    As for the Horse-shit, that is a product from you horses asses.




    Fuck you!


    No thanks. I do have (some) standards  :-)

    No real American would believe that.



    2-digit IQs are OFF THE LIST.

    So? You are retiring from posting your ridiculous very low IQ comments?


       China was in NO position to invade anybody, it was
       still almost entirely agrarian and its mil-tech was
       barely past medieval.

    Uh Huh... The Boxer Rebellion, American patrols to back up the
    British drug trade during the 1800's up to the WW's A whole
    encyclopedia of wars in that region of the world. Go visit a
    library. Or better yet...Do some ass in the Grass jobs with the
    Marines or what ever.

       The Boxer Rebellion ?????????????????

       That was fought with clubs and knives for
       the most part and was ancient history even
       in the 1930s.

    Nope...gunpowder.

    They fought with martial-arts (Kung Fu). That word "Kung Fu" wasn't
    known to the English world so they used the word "boxer", which means
    fighting with fist, not gunpowder. If the rebels really fought with
    gunpowder, then the event wouldn't have been called "Boxer Rebellion".



       Tryin' WAY too hard there .....

    You are arguing with yourself. First you say there was no ability for
    war prior to WWI and then you say there was. How about the Dynasty
    wars? or did you forget the huge fleets of Sailing vessels that attack
    Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia etc...etc..Firing rockets and cannon and
    smoothbore long guns. All powered by Gunpowder inventd before Marco
    Polo's time.


    Please look up on the internet. All the events you have just mentioned
    were hundreds of years before WWI. China had declined to a point that
    every European power had a colony or "concession" in China before WWI.




    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about. Thank
    the Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have
    hanged Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was
    very competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat.
    Even had to make this one a General in order to fill the Job.
    China can't beat us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will.
    Destruction of America Armed forces from within.

       "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
       and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
       Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
       real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    That's a given.... China cannot beat us! Can do a lot of damage
    though. But that is it. As for a win. Your damned betcha we can. But
    whats left won't be worth owning.


       King of the (radioactive) shit-pile ? What a victory ....


       Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
       the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
       its number of ICBM silos for one.

    Do you really believe  China is Suicidal?(Sarcasm)


       Xi knows he can burn half the population or more and
       STILL be a big power, STILL in-charge.

    Were you one of the Clinton draft dodgers that spent the Viet Nam war
    doped up in Canada?

    You should be ashamed that you didn't join the Draft Resistance Movement
    to stop the Viet Nam invasion.

    John Brown - Bob Dylan [Lyrics]
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS_YLI2hTIs




      I wonder how many Hunter's
       biz dealings bought ? They also have trans-orbital "hyper-
       sonics"

    Do you even have any idea what ALL of the Western countries
    would/could counter with?


       Yes ... but again you just wind up as King Of The (Radioactive)
       Shit-Pile. No victory. None at all.

       If China is to be beaten, it has to be from WITHIN.

       But that population is long used to bowing before
       its emperors .....

    Times have changed, now the proletariat drives Buick's (made in China).
    I suggest that you visit Aberdeen.


      now that there's really no defense against, might
       not even notice them until it's WAY too late. Then their
       gen-II AI autonomous micro-subs/torpedoes and gigantic
       army and .......

    I have also noted our weapons research for a long time. When you
    become a top military advisor for our Democratic-Republic, then and
    only then will I possibly add you to the information stream about
    what we can or cannot do. China at the present time cannot even
    solve its water shortage.


       Can it intercept 99+ percent of China's ICBMs ? 99+ percent
       of its hypersonics ? 99+ percent of its sub/ship-launched
       systems ??? And who knows what they've put into orbit. If NOT ...
       then the USA becomes a burnt-out radioactive SHIT PILE. It
       would literally only take about a dozen good megaton+ hits to
       accomplish that. The fallout would spread widely, The System
       would implode ... starvation, anarchy and disease would do
       the rest.

    The Sky is falling!!


       1st-world countries are 1st-world countries because everything
       works SMOOTHLY, EFFICIENTLY, stuff arrives Just In Time, checks
       clear, everything is insured, backups exist ......

    Apparently you do not reside on Planet earth.

     Even a dozen
       good nuke hits would TRASH that. No more systems, no more
       smoothness, no more efficiency - and the USA and pop are NOT
       set up for 3rd/4th-world living anymore. If you want me to start
       going on in much higher detail about what all would go to shit
       I can spend a long time typing ......... we'd lose ten or twenty
       percent to the immediate attack ... and another 90 percent because
       The System didn't work anymore.

       If you ACTUALLY Knew Shit then you'd know THIS. But clearly
       you don't, so .......

    Yep. Your just another armchair warrior. Thank God your type is not protecting America.


       China is EXTREMELY dangerous - it just doesn't bang shoes
       on the table and scream about it.

    Actually China for the last 80 years has played its cards very close
    to the chest. Maybe you should start your History of China when they
    owned Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and a lot of others. Japan has
    ancient
    hatreds of China and Korea. Which have been reciprocated for a
    thousand years or more. The Rape of Nanking will show you the love
    shared by Japan and China.

    https://allthatsinteresting.com › rape-of-nanking-massacre

    The word Kamikazi comes from the Great Chinese fleet that was wiped
    by one while attacking China in earlier times. It means divine wind.

    Actually we are more in danger of being talked to death by the Sky
    is Falling *Wannabe*. Is he another of Rudy's socks?


       China DOES play its games "differently" - a much longer-term
       strategy. But it looks like that "term" is just about over with.
       They just made ambitious Xi the modern equiv of a "god-emperor".
       He has military power, and population, to burn.

    In China that can change in a heartbeat. Like in Korea...The Grunts
    were told to charge until we were over run. Amazingly when the bodies
    built up, the Chinese grunts ran in the other direction. Maybe you
    should do a body count on that for comparison. Same thing is happening
    in the Ukraine.


    War is war. The same thing happened in WWI when the European powers were empires. They fought for their own king and country (and the same god).
    Daily death toll in WWI was 6,000 soldier each day. Russian peasants
    were the first to wake up from this insanity and overthrew their emperor
    (the Tsar).



       Oh, since Nixon on, the USA has outsourced huge quantities of
       VITAL production and resource-acquisition to China. Xi could
       crush us just by turning off the faucet - it'd be years before
       we could get any replacements up to speed and that'd be WAY
       too late. The supply/manufacturing chain shatters. All fall
       down go boom.

    Sure! Sure! That sky is falling again. I believe it is time to export
    you. We really don't need naysayers when it comes to maintaining our beautiful strong country. Wannabe is tiring of playing Solitaire in
    his leftist part of Canada. I am sure he would enjoy you company.



    You close your eyes and plug your ears won't change anything. The US is
    an empire in decline.




       So put down your propaganda Talking Points and THINK about
       the current realities. They're BAD and our natural inclinations,
       forged by Darwin LONG before there were 'systems', work
       against us. If you are counting on anything different then
       you're a fuckin' MANIAC straight out of "Dr.Strangelove".
       BTW, the few survivors, before they die, are gonna brick-up
       your bunker and pour gasoline down the vents because you're
       the most spectacular FAILURES that ever were.

    Actually I liked General Curtis Le may better.

    Are you of French extraction? I have heard of French surrender Monkeys
    but you would be the first I run across.



    The French was doing the right thing for the situation.

    "You got to know when to hold 'em,
    Know when to fold 'em,
    Know when to walk away,
    And know when to run."

    "Every gambler knows
    That the secret to survivin'
    Is knowin' what to throw away
    And knowin' what to keep.
    'Cause every hand's a winner,
    And every hand's a loser,"

    Kenny Rogers - The Gambler
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hx4gdlfamo

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  • From Vincent@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Nov 6 01:48:03 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 11/5/2022 7:44 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/5/2022 7:54 AM:
    n
    Sure! Sure! That sky is falling again. I believe it is time to export
    you. We really don't need naysayers when it comes to maintaining our
    beautiful strong country. Wannabe is tiring of playing Solitaire in
    his leftist part of Canada. I am sure he would enjoy you company.



    You close your eyes and plug your ears won't change anything. The US is
    an empire in decline.

    And you are one of Canada's failed necessary abortions. You have
    regressed from being Moronic to total imbecilic. Now go back to licking
    the doorknobs to the Gay bars toilets.

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  • From Vincent@21:1/5 to Mighty Wannabe on Sun Nov 6 01:40:45 2022
    XPost: talk.politics.misc, alt.survival, alt.politics
    XPost: alt.military

    On 11/5/2022 7:44 AM, Mighty Wannabe wrote:
    Vincent wrote on 11/5/2022 7:54 AM:
    On 11/3/2022 11:00 PM, 26C.Z968 wrote:

    Uh Huh... The Boxer Rebellion, American patrols to back up the
    British drug trade during the 1800's up to the WW's A whole
    encyclopedia of wars in that region of the world. Go visit a
    library. Or better yet...Do some ass in the Grass jobs with the
    Marines or what ever.

       The Boxer Rebellion ?????????????????

       That was fought with clubs and knives for
       the most part and was ancient history even
       in the 1930s.

    Nope...gunpowder.

    They fought with martial-arts (Kung Fu). That word "Kung Fu" wasn't
    known to the English world so they used the word "boxer", which means fighting with fist, not gunpowder. If the rebels really fought with gunpowder, then the event wouldn't have been called "Boxer Rebellion".

    It was called *The Boxer Rebellion* because the Chinese participant
    belonged to a Martial arts school. Every weapon available was used. Many
    of the dead were killed by firearms...Both English and Chinese.

    The Martial arts schools of that ERA were membership for life with a
    creed similar to that of the TONGS.

       Tryin' WAY too hard there .....

    You are arguing with yourself. First you say there was no ability for
    war prior to WWI and then you say there was. How about the Dynasty
    wars? or did you forget the huge fleets of Sailing vessels that attacked
    Japan, Vietnam, Cambodia etc...etc..Firing rockets and cannon and
    smooth bore long guns. All powered by Gunpowder invented before Marco
    Polo's time.


    Please look up on the internet. All the events you have just mentioned
    were hundreds of years before WWI. China had declined to a point that
    every European power had a colony or "concession" in China before WWI.

    If you are still so fucked up on your education, don't waste my time.
    Harvard University has a section of its main library dedicated to the
    constant wars and invasions by China. There is even a great wall design
    to curb Chinese enemies from returning the favor. Take Mommy along to
    read long long words for you.




    That is just another of the many reasons WWII came about. Thank
    the Fucking Democrats for another unnecessary war. We should have
    hanged Wilson! I see Biden just nixed a 4 star General that was
    very competent and install another Brain dead Deadbeat Democrat.
    Even had to make this one a General in order to fill the Job.
    China can't beat us, but that SOB in the WhiteHouse probably will. >>>>>> Destruction of America Armed forces from within.

       "China can't beat us" ??? It can fry us REALLY damned bad
       and a lot of its mil-tech is now well head of the West's.
       Now "beat" ... depends on your meaning. We can fry 'em
       real good too. No winners, so nobody gets "beat" per-se.

    That's a given.... China cannot beat us! Can do a lot of damage
    though. But that is it. As for a win. Your damned betcha we can. But
    whats left won't be worth owning.


       King of the (radioactive) shit-pile ? What a victory ....


       Maybe you didn't notice those "and also" news stories over
       the past couple of years - like China basically tripling
       its number of ICBM silos for one.

    Do you really believe  China is Suicidal?(Sarcasm)


       Xi knows he can burn half the population or more and
       STILL be a big power, STILL in-charge.

    Were you one of the Clinton draft dodgers that spent the Viet Nam war
    doped up in Canada?

    Actually Clinton was a deserter. At least Cassius Clay was honest about it.


    You should be ashamed that you didn't join the Draft Resistance Movement
    to stop the Viet Nam invasion.

    Actually I am ashamed that I didn't cap a few cocksuckers like you.

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