• Australia to speed up purchase of sea mines to shore up maritime defenc

    From J D Young@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 13 05:18:36 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in the Pacific region.

    The so-called smart sea mines are designed to differentiate between
    military targets and other types of ships, a defence department
    spokesperson said in a statement.

    "(Australia) is accelerating the acquisition of smart sea mines, which
    will help to secure sea lines of communication and protect Australia's
    maritime approaches," it said. "A modern sea mining capability is a
    significant deterrent to potential aggressors."

    Though the defence department did not specify any further details, a
    report in the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper on Monday said Canberra
    would spend up to A$1 billion ($698 million) to procure the high-tech underwater weapons.

    The federal government will soon announce a contract to buy "a substantial number" of sea mines from a European weapons supplier, the report said,
    citing unidentified defence industry sources.

    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese told ABC television he would not "pre-empt those national security issues."

    "What we need is to make sure we have the best possible defences. So we
    have looked at missile defence, we're looking at cyber security, we're
    looking at all of these issues," Albanese said.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as their sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past few years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to jdyoung2@ymail.com on Tue Feb 14 06:59:52 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >"potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in the >Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?


    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as their >sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past few >years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Tue Feb 14 07:18:14 2023
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    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Tue Feb 14 10:22:16 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to >>> buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.


    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.



    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Peter Jason on Tue Feb 14 05:29:43 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to >>>> buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in >>>> the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.


    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few
    hours? Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return
    missile targeting.



    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past >>>> few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines >>>> from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Peter Skelton@21:1/5 to Leper on Tue Feb 14 05:32:09 2023
    On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 at 06:29:41 UTC-5, Leper wrote:
    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <p...@jostle.com> wrote: >>
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to >>>> buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in >>>> the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.


    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.
    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few hours? Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return
    missile targeting.



    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past >>>> few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines >>>> from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    There are a lot of satellites. Sorting, targeting and shooting would be non-trivial.

    2022 data from geospatialworld: https://www.geospatialworld.net/prime/business-and-industry-trends/how-many-satellites-orbiting-earth/

    Number of satellites Purpose
    3135 Communications
    1030 Earth Observation
    385 Technology development/demonstration
    154 Navigation/positioning
    22 Earth science
    18 Other purposes

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Leper on Tue Feb 14 09:05:32 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 05:29:43 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to >>>>> buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in >>>>> the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.


    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few >hours? Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return
    missile targeting.

    "2022 has witnessed the maximum number of orbital and sub-orbital launches. 149 out of 155
    launches were successful in 2022. According to United Nations Office for Outer Space
    Affairs (UNOOSA), 8261 individual satellites are orbiting the Earth now, out of which
    4,852 satellites are active." https://www.geospatialworld.net/videos/how-many-satellites-are-orbiting-around-earth-in-2022/

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Feb 15 03:55:49 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the
    past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Wed Feb 15 07:53:33 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence >>>>>> in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine >>>>> cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9
    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the
    past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html --
    Petzl
    Jesus “taught with authority” (Matthew 7:29), and the risen Lord gave
    his Apostles a share in his authority when he commissioned them to
    make disciples from all the nations by teaching what he had commanded
    them (Matthew 28:18–20).

    Tiberius Caesar who reigned for 22 years,
    and his last year was AD 37. wrote:
    "The extremities of Spain, the various parts of Gaul, the regions of
    Britain which have never been penetrated by Roman arms, have received
    the religion of Christ."

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Feb 15 12:06:46 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to >>>>>> a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first >>>>> few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that
    <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices
    and electrical transformers.

    Mindless pig ignorant bullshit. We never got anything
    like that effect with the atmospheric tests.

    Procedures to improve the ability of
    networks, especially military command and control systems, to
    withstand EMP are known as “hardening.”

    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    BULLSHIT.

    All will stratecically happen in minutes

    More mindless bullshit.

    Russian subs are staion off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia

    More mindless bullshit.

    no need to hurry.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and
    entered
    a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in >>>>>>>>> the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region >>>>>>>>> as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Feb 15 11:31:16 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports
    from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence >>>>>>> in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    BULLSHIT.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered >>>>>>> a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in >>>>>>> the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region >>>>>>> as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Wed Feb 15 11:44:48 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence >>>>>>>> in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a >>>>> crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters >>>>> in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that
    <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices
    and electrical transformers. Procedures to improve the ability of
    networks, especially military command and control systems, to
    withstand EMP are known as “hardening.”

    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    BULLSHIT.

    All will stratecically happen in minutes Russian subs are staion off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia no need to hurry.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered >>>>>>>> a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in >>>>>>>> the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region >>>>>>>> as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html
    --
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    Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
    murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
    shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

    "Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
    paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
    different!.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 15 12:25:30 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:06:46 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down >>>>>>> to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first >>>>>> few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that
    <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices
    and electrical transformers.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#Effects

    Nothing even remotely like your stupid pig ignorant claim.

    Mindless pig ignorant bullshit. We never got anything
    like that effect with the atmospheric tests.

    Procedures to improve the ability of
    networks, especially military command and control systems, to
    withstand EMP are known as “hardening.”

    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    BULLSHIT.

    All will stratecically happen in minutes

    More mindless bullshit.

    Russian subs are staion off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia

    More mindless bullshit.

    no need to hurry.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and >>>>>>>>>> entered
    a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns >>>>>>>>>> in
    the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the >>>>>>>>>> region
    as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over >>>>>>>>>> the
    past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Petzl on Tue Feb 14 20:40:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/14/2023 2:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote: >>
    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence >>>>>>> in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine >>>>>> cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites. >>>> That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a >>>> crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few >>> hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9
    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never hear that it was operational.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>>>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>>>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>>>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Tue Feb 14 20:38:28 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable.  But will they also be placed along the length of submarine >>>>> cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.
      That is true.  But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl.  Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS. We stopped designing those in the
    70's or 80's and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing. But not
    very many have to do that. Most of the very best
    manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc. I still have a tytac of the best one with all
    moving parts. A Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer
    to both incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone
    Swarms. If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the
    past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Peter Skelton on Tue Feb 14 21:02:45 2023
    On 2/14/2023 7:32 AM, Peter Skelton wrote:
    On Tuesday, 14 February 2023 at 06:29:41 UTC-5, Leper wrote:
    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <p...@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyo...@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate plans to >>>>>> buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence in >>>>>> the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine >>>>> cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.


    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.
    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few
    hours? Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return
    missile targeting.



    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the past >>>>>> few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear submarines >>>>>> from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    There are a lot of satellites. Sorting, targeting and shooting would be non-trivial.

    2022 data from geospatialworld: https://www.geospatialworld.net/prime/business-and-industry-trends/how-many-satellites-orbiting-earth/

    Number of satellites Purpose
    3135 Communications
    1030 Earth Observation
    385 Technology development/demonstration
    154 Navigation/positioning
    22 Earth science
    18 Other purposes

    Some things are never easy, but survival could make it a necessary
    endeavor. I see no plan b.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Feb 15 14:57:44 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports
    from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few hours?
    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.
    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.

    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the 70's or 80's

    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.

    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.

    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.

    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.

    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A Nuclear
    screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both incoming ICBM's
    and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I understand the planners
    are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone Swarms.

    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a brisket
    and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be perusing
    their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent go-to
    birds.

    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels, stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered >>>>>>> a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in >>>>>>> the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region >>>>>>> as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Feb 15 03:45:37 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    Russian subs are staion off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia no need to hurry.

    And we know where every single one of them is because Russian subs are crap.

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Feb 15 03:44:28 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl wrote:

    All will stratecically happen in minutes Russian subs are staion off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia no need to hurry.

    Question: Do you really think anybody is going to be cowed by empty threats of nuclear
    war?

    Question 2: Are you so tired of living that death by fire would be a pleasure to you?

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Feb 15 03:48:50 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never hear that it was >operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill
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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Feb 15 03:50:35 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:38:28 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS. We stopped designing those in the
    70's or 80's and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing. But not
    very many have to do that. Most of the very best
    manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS >Division, Raytheon etc. I still have a tytac of the best one with all
    moving parts. A Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer
    to both incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I >understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone
    Swarms. If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a >brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be >perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    If you're going to spew this much bullshit, would you mined spraying some Glade after?

    Swill
    --
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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Thu Feb 16 08:17:05 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 12:06:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Snip

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices
    and electrical transformers.

    Mindless pig ignorant bullshit. We never got anything
    like that effect with the atmospheric tests.

    Amazing you know more than the *Encyclopedia Britannica* does?
    Wikipipedia is leftie tanted and rewritten often by communist
    sympathisers.

    Procedures to improve the ability of
    networks, especially military command and control systems, to
    withstand EMP are known as “hardening.”

    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    BULLSHIT.

    All will stratecically happen in minutes

    More mindless bullshit.

    A major exchange between USA and Russia is unlikely to be one missile
    at a time tit-for-tat. It will be a full blown surprise attack to
    disable continental United States, almost the entire country, as well
    as parts of Mexico and Canada, would be affected by EMP—destroying
    practically all electronic devices and electrical transformers.
    Same time while military targets knocked out all silos, allies, etc.
    Submarines though will allow revenge after carnage.
    Everyone in target areas will be dead!
    M-A-D is supposedly the deterrent.
    Trouble is the world nuclear powers are led by deranged criminal nuts,
    Biden, Putin, XI who wrongly believe a nuclear war is winnable

    Russian subs are staioned off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia

    More mindless bullshit.

    <https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/150057-russian_submarine/>
    https://tinyurl.com/yayhw9dk
    Russian submarine with 160 nukes on board surfaces off US coast
    Each of the missiles in service with the submarine is capable of
    carrying up to ten nuclear warheads. This created an extremely serious
    danger for the United States, given that the US military have not been
    able to track the Russian nuclear submarine.
    *********************
    Another of having a unelected criminal take over the U.S.A and it
    "justice system", is the Doomsday clock is set to the closest it's
    ever been to midnight!
    <https://thebulletin.org/doomsday-clock/current-time/>
    https://tinyurl.com/y3f88cqt
    A time of unprecedented danger: It is 90 seconds to midnight
    This year, the Science and Security Board of the Bulletin of the
    Atomic Scientists moves the hands of the Doomsday Clock forward,
    largely (though not exclusively) because of the mounting dangers of
    the war in Ukraine. The Clock now stands at 90 seconds to midnight—the
    closest to global catastrophe it has ever been.

    no need to hurry.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and >>>>>>>>>> entered
    a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in >>>>>>>>>> the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region >>>>>>>>>> as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Wed Feb 15 17:51:40 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable.  But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
      That is true.  But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a >>>>> crawl.  Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters >>>>> in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few hours?
     Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.
     Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.

    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the  70's or 80's

    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.

    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.

    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.

    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e
    Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.

    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A Nuclear
    screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both incoming
    ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I understand the
    planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone Swarms.

    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.

    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels, stupid.

    Your vast ignorance makes no sense at all. I do hope you won't hurt
    yourself doing simple things like breathing. The Nuclear shield is still
    on the table due to its EMP. But don't worry Slim Pickins will ride it out.

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Feb 15 17:59:01 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/15/2023 2:50 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:38:28 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS. We stopped designing those in the
    70's or 80's and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing. But not
    very many have to do that. Most of the very best
    manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS
    Division, Raytheon etc. I still have a tytac of the best one with all
    moving parts. A Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer
    to both incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I
    understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone
    Swarms. If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    If you're going to spew this much bullshit, would you mined spraying some Glade after?

    Swill

    You are quite welcome to cite anything you dispute. Go right ahead and embarrass yourself. In the times past Amateur Radio operators named
    persons like you, "LID's". Subject to the Wulfhang. You would probably
    relish it.

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Feb 15 17:41:56 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never hear that it was
    operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill

    Maybe the Chinese will tell us how good it is. Or maybe Israel traded it
    to the Russians for the release of more Russian Jews?
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    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Leper on Thu Feb 16 11:00:59 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 10:51:40 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to >>>>>> a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first >>>>> few hours?
    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.
    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.
    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the 70's or 80's
    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.
    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.
    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e
    Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.
    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A Nuclear
    screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both incoming
    ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I understand the
    planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone Swarms.
    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.
    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.
    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels,
    stupid.

    Your vast ignorance makes no sense at all. I do hope you won't hurt
    yourself doing simple things like breathing.

    You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

    The Nuclear shield is still on the table due to its EMP.

    Irrelevant to what is being discussed, whether
    nuke icbms and sub launched nukes will do
    fine even with no communication with anything
    is available when they are launched before
    any incoming nuke has any chance to do EMP.

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Wed Feb 15 20:09:18 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:44:28 -0500, Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl wrote:

    All will stratecically happen in minutes Russian subs are staion off
    USA coast the American Allies like Australia no need to hurry.

    Question: Do you really think anybody is going to be cowed by empty threats of nuclear
    war?

    *crickets*

    Question 2: Are you so tired of living that death by fire would be a pleasure to you?

    *crickets*

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Feb 15 20:08:36 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 08:17:05 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    A major exchange between USA and Russia is unlikely to be one missile
    at a time tit-for-tat. It will be a full blown surprise attack to
    disable continental United States, almost the entire country, as well
    as parts of Mexico and Canada, would be affected by EMP—destroying >practically all electronic devices and electrical transformers.

    Who fucking cares? Why do you think we fear your ludicrous threats?

    Swill
    --
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    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Wed Feb 15 21:11:25 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    In article <op.10fmbxhkbyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    Irrelevant to what is being discussed, whether
    nuke icbms and sub launched nukes will do
    fine even with no communication with anything
    is available when they are launched before
    any incoming nuke has any chance to do EMP.

    EMPs can't go deep into an ocean.

    --
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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Thu Feb 16 16:37:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    Irrelevant to what is being discussed, whether
    nuke icbms and sub launched nukes will do
    fine even with no communication with anything
    is available when they are launched before
    any incoming nuke has any chance to do EMP.

    EMPs can't go deep into an ocean.

    But there can be a problem communicating
    with them to get them to launch their nukes
    after an EMP due to what isnt deep in the ocean.

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Petzl on Sun Feb 26 22:56:14 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/14/2023 2:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote: >>
    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>>
    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from >>>>>>> "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence >>>>>>> in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine >>>>>> cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites. >>>> That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a >>>> crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few >>> hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9
    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that
    it was a losing solution.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a >>>>>>> security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the >>>>>>> United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as >>>>>>> their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sun Feb 26 23:08:06 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/14/2023 7:06 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable.  But will they also be placed along the length of >>>>>>>>> submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
      That is true.  But the cost and queuing would slow things down >>>>>>> to a
    crawl.  Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first >>>>>> few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that
    <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
         https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices
    and electrical transformers.

    Mindless pig ignorant bullshit. We never got anything
    like that effect with the atmospheric tests.

    Yeah we did. Check the data from many many years of atmospheric research missiles fired almost daily from Point Mugu.

    Point Mugu, CA | NAVAIR - Naval Air Systems Command
    Point Mugu was established in 1946 as the Navy's first instrumented
    missile test sea range. It offers enormous geographic diversity: vast
    ocean, deep water ports, protected islands within...

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 16:23:45 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivivors worldwide inminutes!
    --
    Petzl
    You funny guy, I'll kill you last.
    - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Feb 26 23:19:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was
    operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign
    policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged threat he
    would countermand a Presidential Launch order. That SOB is still walking
    around free. Clinton even gave China our secret technology to keep
    ICBM's from broaching at launch. Obama published the name of seal team
    six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is
    now dead.

    --
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    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Sun Feb 26 23:24:10 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable.  But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
      That is true.  But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a >>>>> crawl.  Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters >>>>> in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few hours?
     Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.
     Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.

    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the  70's or 80's

    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.

    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.

    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.

    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e
    Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.

    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A Nuclear
    screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both incoming
    ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I understand the
    planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone Swarms.

    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.

    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels, stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and
    entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns >>>>>>>> in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the
    region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over
    the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    Yawnnnn..... End of communications with you.

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Governor Swill on Sun Feb 26 23:34:07 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/15/2023 2:50 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:38:28 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS. We stopped designing those in the
    70's or 80's and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing. But not
    very many have to do that. Most of the very best
    manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS
    Division, Raytheon etc. I still have a tytac of the best one with all
    moving parts. A Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer
    to both incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I
    understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone
    Swarms. If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.

    If you're going to spew this much bullshit, would you mined spraying some Glade after?

    Swill

    If you weren't napping all the time, you would understand the
    conversation. Perhaps Rudy would drop his sock puppeting long enough to
    explain well enough for even an old fool like you to understand. You get
    crabby when first wakening.
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From Storx@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 08:14:34 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival, aus.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote in
    news:tthehq$36euq$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it
    was operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the
    details of.

    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make
    foreign policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged
    threat he would countermand a Presidential Launch order. That SOB is
    still walking around free. Clinton even gave China our secret
    technology to keep ICBM's from broaching at launch. Obama published
    the name of seal team six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden.
    Most of that team is now dead.

    Milley needs to be burned alive in front of the Washington monument.

    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!



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  • From Bruce@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 08:14:34 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival, aus.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote in
    news:tthd5d$36euq$1@dont-email.me:

    On 2/14/2023 2:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>> from "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its >>>>>>>> influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many
    locations, so isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down
    to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the
    first few hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that
    <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satelli
    te-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia
    %20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20deb
    ris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9
    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the
    late 50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago
    that it was a losing solution.

    Airborne lasers.


    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and
    entered a security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising >>>>>>>> concerns in the United States and Australia, who for decades
    have seen the region as their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over
    the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254 >>>>>>>> 381.html



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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Mon Feb 27 18:35:23 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:23:45 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia

    Bullshit.

    Will be over with no survivivors worldwide inminutes!

    Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 18:33:52 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:19:57 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was
    operational.
    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the
    details of.
    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign policy

    No such animal.

    that is detriment to America.

    One General even alleged threat he would countermand a Presidential
    Launch order.

    Just more bullshit unless it was some fool like Trump.

    That SOB is still walking around free. Clinton even gave China our
    secret technology to keep ICBM's from broaching at launch.

    BULLSHIT

    Obama published the name of seal team six and its members that
    assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is now dead.

    Not because bin laden's minions killed them.

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 18:26:18 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:56:14 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 2:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to >>>>> a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters >>>>> in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that
    <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9
    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    I agree.

    More fool you.

    EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance

    Nope, not with something that small.

    as they are now a solid state electronics device.

    Wouldn't even stop modern cars.

    We stop mechanical INS back in the late 50's and 60's. Shielding might
    help some, but we decided long ago that it was a losing solution.

    Not with something that size.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and
    entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in >>>>>>>> the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region >>>>>>>> as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the >>>>>>>> past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 18:29:34 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:08:06 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 7:06 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its >>>>>>>>>>> influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of >>>>>>>>>> submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down >>>>>>>> to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the
    first
    few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that >>>>> <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering >>>>> it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile >>>>>>> targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles. >>>>
    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices >>> and electrical transformers.
    Mindless pig ignorant bullshit. We never got anything
    like that effect with the atmospheric tests.

    Yeah we did.

    Bullshit we did with DESTROYING PRACTIALLY ALL ELECTRONIC
    DEVICES AND ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMERS.

    Check the data from many many years of atmospheric research missiles
    fired almost daily from Point Mugu.

    Those didnt produce anything even remotely like that and weren't
    anything even remotely like almost daily either.

    Point Mugu, CA | NAVAIR - Naval Air Systems Command
    Point Mugu was established in 1946 as the Navy's first instrumented
    missile test sea range. It offers enormous geographic diversity: vast
    ocean, deep water ports, protected islands within...

    And got nothing even remotely like that result.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 18:36:33 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:24:10 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate >>>>>>>>> plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports >>>>>>>>> from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to >>>>>> a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first >>>>> few hours?
    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.
    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.
    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the 70's or 80's
    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.
    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.
    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e
    Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.
    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A Nuclear
    screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both incoming
    ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I understand the
    planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone Swarms.
    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will be
    perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting system
    in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about 1962 and it
    has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable solid repellent
    go-to birds.
    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit.
    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels,
    stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and
    entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns >>>>>>>>> in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the
    region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over >>>>>>>>> the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    Yawnnnn..... End of communications with you.

    Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 18:38:54 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 15:56:14 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 2:53 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9
    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft
    2nd
    Multiple nuclear strike
    3rd
    The end of the world as we know it

    I agree.

    More fool you.

    EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance

    Nope, not with something that small.

    as they are now a solid state electronics device.

    Wouldn't even stop modern cars.

    We stop mechanical INS back in the late 50's and 60's. Shielding might
    help some, but we decided long ago that it was a losing solution.

    Not with something that size.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over the
    past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear
    submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

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  • From %@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 18:40:35 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:19:57 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was operational.
    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the
    details of.
    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign
    policy

    No such animal.

    that is detriment to America.

    One General even alleged threat he would countermand a Presidential Launch order.

    Just more bullshit unless it was some fool like Trump.

    That SOB is still walking around free. Clinton even gave China our secret technology to keep ICBM's from broaching at launch.

    BULLSHIT

    Obama published the name of seal team six and its members that
    assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is now dead.

    Not because bin laden's minions killed them.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 18:39:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:08:06 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 7:06 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:44:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 11:31:16 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 07:53:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 03:55:49 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
    wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would accelerate
    plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and ports
    from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its influence
    in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of
    submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so
    isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the first
    few
    hours?

    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Russia exploded a satellite to create orbiting debris to do just that <https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2022-03/features/russias-anti-satellite-weapons-asymmetric-response-us-aerospace-superiority#:~:text=Russia%20conducted%20a%20direct-ascent,1%2C500%20pieces%20of%20orbital%20debris.>
    https://tinyurl.com/2f9sh9b9

    Pity it destroyed sweet fuck all satellites.

    Russia conducted a direct-ascent hit-to-kill anti-satellite (ASAT)
    test on November 15, 2021, striking a Russian satellite and rendering
    it into more than 1,500 pieces of orbital debris.

    And had sweet fuck all effect on other satellites.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.

    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles.

    A nuclear war

    Not gunna happen, you watch.

    will be quick with a number of possibilities!
    1st
    <https://www.britannica.com/science/nuclear-electromagnetic-pulse>
    knoces out communication radar cars aircraft

    BULLSHIT.

    From Britannica
    For a high-yield explosion of approximately 10 megatons detonated 320
    km (200 miles) above the centre of the continental United States,
    almost the entire country, as well as parts of Mexico and Canada,
    would be affected by EMP—destroying practically all electronic devices
    and electrical transformers.
    Mindless pig ignorant bullshit. We never got anything
    like that effect with the atmospheric tests.

    Yeah we did.

    Bullshit we did with DESTROYING PRACTIALLY ALL ELECTRONIC
    DEVICES AND ELECTRICAL TRANSFORMERS.

    Check the data from many many years of atmospheric research missiles fired almost daily from Point Mugu.

    Those didnt produce anything even remotely like that and weren't
    anything even remotely like almost daily either.

    Point Mugu, CA | NAVAIR - Naval Air Systems Command
    Point Mugu was established in 1946 as the Navy's first instrumented
    missile test sea range. It offers enormous geographic diversity: vast
    ocean, deep water ports, protected islands within...

    And got nothing even remotely like that result.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 04:53:48 2023
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 12:19:56 AM UTC-5, Leper wrote:
    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Le...@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was
    operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill
    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged threat he would countermand a Presidential Launch order. That SOB is still walking around free. Clinton even gave China our secret technology to keep
    ICBM's from broaching at launch. Obama published the name of seal team
    six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is
    now dead.
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Uh yeah, that's a bit of a stretch blaming Obama for most of Seal Team Six being dead. They were killed in a helicopter crash that had nothing to do Obama.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Governor Swill@21:1/5 to Leper on Mon Feb 27 08:03:55 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 23:19:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote: >>
    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was
    operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.

    Like Trump blabbing to Pootin'?

    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign >policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged threat he
    would countermand a Presidential Launch order.

    "alleged" Was that for a first strike or response?

    That SOB is still walking around free.

    Good. No point sending someone to gulag over an allegation.

    Clinton even gave China our secret technology to keep
    ICBM's from broaching at launch.

    B . . . but . . . but CLINTON!

    Obama published the name of seal team
    six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is
    now dead.

    More bullshit from the freak.

    What color is the sky on your planet?

    Swill
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Fulla Slop on Tue Feb 28 02:58:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2/27/2023 7:03 AM, Fulla Slop wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 23:19:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote:

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote: >>>
    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was >>>> operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.

    Like Trump blabbing to Pootin'?

    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign
    policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged threat he
    would countermand a Presidential Launch order.

    "alleged" Was that for a first strike or response?

    Still refuting proven facts eh?

    That SOB is still walking around free.

    Good. No point sending someone to gulag over an allegation.


    Actually an execution is in order for treason...Along with his
    supporters. After all even in murder cases all those involved with the
    acting killer are guilty. No allegation here as Miley was recorded and witnessed committing treason.

    Clinton even gave China our secret technology to keep
    ICBM's from broaching at launch.

    B . . . but . . . but CLINTON!

    What? No snotty defense of your great leader Clinton the deserter?

    Obama published the name of seal team
    six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is
    now dead.

    More bullshit from the freak.

    Apparently you have been lunching from your own diaper again.

    What color is the sky on your planet?

    Why would you care? after all that meth you ingest renders you half
    blind anyway.

    Slops

    The only shit here is what is leaking from your old timers diaper!
    Seeing as how your dementia also has obviously advanced, perhaps it is
    time for you to beg for Euthanasia.

    bnVsbA==

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Dean Markley on Tue Feb 28 02:45:02 2023
    On 2/27/2023 6:53 AM, Dean Markley wrote:
    On Monday, February 27, 2023 at 12:19:56 AM UTC-5, Leper wrote:
    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Le...@MalokaiColony.com> wrote: >>>
    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it was >>>> operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the details of.

    Swill
    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make foreign
    policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged threat he
    would countermand a Presidential Launch order. That SOB is still walking
    around free. Clinton even gave China our secret technology to keep
    ICBM's from broaching at launch. Obama published the name of seal team
    six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden. Most of that team is
    now dead.
    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!

    Uh yeah, that's a bit of a stretch blaming Obama for most of Seal Team Six being dead. They were killed in a helicopter crash that had nothing to do Obama.

    Not really. It was a missile hit on a leaked mission. It was an
    assassination in retaliation. As usual Dean, you are incorrect.
    Do try to do better in the future. Even the Pentagon pundits lay that
    massacre on Obama's big mouth.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Petzl on Tue Feb 28 03:04:03 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Storx on Tue Feb 28 02:38:03 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival, aus.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 2/27/2023 1:14 AM, Storx wrote:
    Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> wrote in
    news:tthehq$36euq$3@dont-email.me:

    On 2/15/2023 2:48 AM, Governor Swill wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 20:40:57 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    America researched and designed a multiple laser to kill satellites.
    Many years ago. Never heard how it turned out. Never heard that it
    was operational.

    That's not the sort of thing Defense is going to be broadcasting the
    details of.

    Swill


    Why not? After all we have Politicians and high ranking Generals that
    blab their tiny brains out to foreign entities on a regular basis.
    Hell we even have assholes like Kerry and the General that make
    foreign policy that is detriment to America. One General even alleged
    threat he would countermand a Presidential Launch order. That SOB is
    still walking around free. Clinton even gave China our secret
    technology to keep ICBM's from broaching at launch. Obama published
    the name of seal team six and its members that assassinated Bin Laden.
    Most of that team is now dead.

    Milley needs to be burned alive in front of the Washington monument.

    Along with 0thers of his ilk!

    --
    Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit!

    Heroyam slava! Glory to the Heroes!

    Sláva Ukrajíni! Glory to Ukraine!



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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 03:12:55 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/27/2023 1:36 AM, %% wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:24:10 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would
    accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and
    ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its
    influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable.  But will they also be placed along the length of >>>>>>>>> submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
      That is true.  But the cost and queuing would slow things down >>>>>>> to a
    crawl.  Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the
    first few hours?
     Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile
    targeting.
     Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke missiles. >>>
    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.
     BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the  70's or 80's
     There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
     Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.
     But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.
     So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e
    Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.
     But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A
    Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both
    incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I
    understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone
    Swarms.
     Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will
    be perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting
    system in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about
    1962 and it has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable
    solid repellent go-to birds.
     And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers.
    Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be hit. >>>  Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels,
    stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and >>>>>>>>>> entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns >>>>>>>>>> in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the >>>>>>>>>> region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over >>>>>>>>>> the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    Yawnnnn..... End of communications with you.

    Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

    Nothing rational there. The dumbass can only retort with "Bullshit" and
    the like. You also follow up with reposting that only trashes up the
    bandwidth. Now go away and maybe someone will change your diaper in an
    act of extreme kindness.

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to All on Tue Feb 28 23:14:31 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!
    --
    Petzl
    You funny guy, I'll kill you last.
    - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Mar 1 05:04:05 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    Like hell they do. And russia and germany agreed not to attack each other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Leper on Wed Mar 1 05:07:32 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:12:55 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2023 1:36 AM, %% wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:24:10 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would
    accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and >>>>>>>>>>> ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its >>>>>>>>>>> influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of >>>>>>>>>> submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to
    satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things down >>>>>>>> to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we
    posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the
    first few hours?
    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return missile >>>>>>> targeting.
    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke
    missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.
    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the 70's or 80's
    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.
    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.
    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone. i.e
    Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.
    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A
    Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both
    incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I
    understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop Drone
    Swarms.
    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls will
    be perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the targeting
    system in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active in about
    1962 and it has many upgrades since. But it is one of our reliable
    solid repellent go-to birds.
    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat seekers. >>>>> Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in order to be
    hit.
    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels,
    stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and >>>>>>>>>>> entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising concerns >>>>>>>>>>> in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the >>>>>>>>>>> region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending over >>>>>>>>>>> the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    Yawnnnn..... End of communications with you.
    Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

    Nothing rational there.

    What I said, fuckwit child.

    <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Mar 1 05:14:52 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 23:14:31 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the
    late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that >>>> it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!

    There will always be plenty of survivors. It isnt actually physically
    possible kill everyone even if all nukes are launched and most
    make it to their targets.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?w5ZyZMO2Zw==?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 08:02:51 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    PaxPerPoten the retarded septic scumbag trash troll emptied it bowel all
    over Usenet.

    beg for Euthanasia.

    You should...by being drawn and quartered, slowly...that is what you
    actually deserve.
    But sadly all I can offer you is a permanent accommodation at the bottom
    of my bozo bin. Enjoy!

    ^^^^^ P...L...O...N...K ^^^^^

    --
    The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Wed Mar 1 07:23:33 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 05:14:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 23:14:31 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the
    late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that >>>>> it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!

    There will always be plenty of survivors. It isnt actually physically >possible kill everyone even if all nukes are launched and most
    make it to their targets.


    Not only the bombing it's the aftermath of M.A.D!
    For those unlucky in not dying <https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/what-would-happen-if-all-the-nuclear-bombs-were-detonated/>
    https://tinyurl.com/2e6mavzt
    The huge volume of debris injected into the atmosphere would have far
    more widespread effects. This ‘aerosol’ of particles would reduce the
    amount of heat reaching the surface from the Sun, producing a
    so-called nuclear winter with huge environmental impact. The nuclear
    explosion would also unleash a pulse of electromagnetic energy that
    would wreck everything from national power grids to microchips around
    the world.
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Mar 1 11:54:35 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 07:23:33 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 05:14:52 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 23:14:31 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the >>>>>> late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago
    that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that >>>> China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!

    There will always be plenty of survivors. It isnt actually physically
    possible kill everyone even if all nukes are launched and most
    make it to their targets.


    Not only the bombing it's the aftermath of M.A.D!

    Not going to kill everyone.

    For those unlucky in not dying <https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/what-would-happen-if-all-the-nuclear-bombs-were-detonated/>
    https://tinyurl.com/2e6mavzt
    The huge volume of debris injected into the atmosphere would have far
    more widespread effects. This â€aerosol’ of particles would reduce the amount of heat reaching the surface from the Sun, producing a
    so-called nuclear winter with huge environmental impact.

    But still wouldnt kill everyone in the southern hemisphere.

    The nuclear
    explosion would also unleash a pulse of electromagnetic energy that
    would wreck everything from national power grids to microchips around
    the world.

    That last is complete and utter mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Wed Mar 1 14:49:54 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 01 Mar 2023 11:54:35 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing >>>>> enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that >>>>> China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!

    There will always be plenty of survivors. It isnt actually physically
    possible kill everyone even if all nukes are launched and most
    make it to their targets.


    Not only the bombing it's the aftermath of M.A.D!

    Not going to kill everyone.

    Not what the science states for a full scale nuclear attack, where all
    "19,000 nuclear warheads" are fired from land, sea and aircraft within
    minutes of each other. Followed up by Submarine'
    That is what the nuclear footballs will demands, Putin even takes his
    to the shitter, Biden wouldn't know where his is?

    For those unlucky in not dying
    <https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/what-would-happen-if-all-the-nuclear-bombs-were-detonated/>
    https://tinyurl.com/2e6mavzt
    The huge volume of debris injected into the atmosphere would have far
    more widespread effects. This ‘aerosol’ of particles would reduce the
    amount of heat reaching the surface from the Sun, producing a
    so-called nuclear winter with huge environmental impact.

    But still wouldnt kill everyone in the southern hemisphere.

    It will be nuked also, there are submarines and warships with nuclear
    weapons in the southern hemisphere. There will be no safe harbour's
    for them.

    The nuclear
    explosion would also unleash a pulse of electromagnetic energy that
    would wreck everything from national power grids to microchips around
    the world.

    That last is complete and utter mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Written by Nuclear scientists with doctorates?
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Mar 1 15:25:17 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China
    purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention
    that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and >>>>> so is everyone else's! No winners!

    There will always be plenty of survivors. It isnt actually physically
    possible kill everyone even if all nukes are launched and most
    make it to their targets.


    Not only the bombing it's the aftermath of M.A.D!

    Not going to kill everyone.

    Not what the science states for a full scale nuclear attack,

    Science in fact says nothing even remotely like that.

    where all
    "19,000 nuclear warheads" are fired from land, sea and aircraft within minutes of each other. Followed up by Submarine'
    That is what the nuclear footballs will demands, Putin even takes his
    to the shitter, Biden wouldn't know where his is?

    For those unlucky in not dying
    <https://www.sciencefocus.com/future-technology/what-would-happen-if-all-the-nuclear-bombs-were-detonated/>
    https://tinyurl.com/2e6mavzt
    The huge volume of debris injected into the atmosphere would have far
    more widespread effects. This â€aerosol’ of particles would reduce the >>> amount of heat reaching the surface from the Sun, producing a
    so-called nuclear winter with huge environmental impact.

    But still wouldnt kill everyone in the southern hemisphere.

    It will be nuked also,

    In a few places like Pine Gap and Harold Holt,
    sure, but most of the capital citys would not be.

    there are submarines

    Fuck all with nukes and they can't be nuked
    anyway thats the whole point of them.

    and warships with nuclear
    weapons in the southern hemisphere.

    Nuking those would have sweet fuck
    all effect on the southern hemisphere.

    There will be no safe harbour's
    for them.

    Their problem.

    The nuclear
    explosion would also unleash a pulse of electromagnetic energy that
    would wreck everything from national power grids to microchips around
    the world.

    That last is complete and utter mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Written by Nuclear scientists with doctorates?

    No nuclear scientist with a doctorate that matters ever claimed that shit.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_electromagnetic_pulse#On_cars

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Petzl on Wed Mar 1 18:08:14 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/28/2023 6:14 AM, Petzl wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late >>>> 50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that >>>> it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    ??? That doesn't seem to make sense.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 18:26:33 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 2/28/2023 12:04 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late >>>> 50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that >>>> it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia strike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    Like hell they do. And Russia and Germany agreed not to attack each other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

    Any Nukes in either country would flood both countries and then some.
    With the poisonous environment that would drift over the entire region
    and much of the planet. Here in middle America we are still infected
    with Strontium 90 from world wide nuclear testing. It is is Cows milk
    even today from 1950's tests. That makes the nuclear game fair and just
    as everyone loses. check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned
    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with nuclear poisons

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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 1 18:30:05 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 2/28/2023 12:07 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:12:55 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/27/2023 1:36 AM, %% wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:24:10 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper
    <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason
    <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would
    accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and >>>>>>>>>>>> ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its >>>>>>>>>>>> influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable.  But will they also be placed along the length of >>>>>>>>>>> submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple places, >>>>>>>>>> we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to >>>>>>>>>> satellites.
      That is true.  But the cost and queuing would slow things >>>>>>>>> down to a
    crawl.  Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we >>>>>>>>> posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the >>>>>>>> first few hours?
     Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return
    missile targeting.
     Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke
    missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.
     BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the  70's or 80's
     There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
     Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.
     But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.
     So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone.
    i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.
     But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A
    Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both
    incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I
    understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop
    Drone Swarms.
     Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a
    brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls
    will be perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the
    targeting system in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active
    in about 1962 and it has many upgrades since. But it is one of our >>>>>> reliable solid repellent go-to birds.
     And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat
    seekers. Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in
    order to be hit.
     Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels,
    stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and >>>>>>>>>>>> entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising
    concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the >>>>>>>>>>>> region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending >>>>>>>>>>>> over the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    Yawnnnn..... End of communications with you.
     Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

    Nothing rational there.

    What I said, fuckwit child.

    <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

    With a bit of a bad smell coming from your very ignorant posts....I with
    great delight flush your fertilizer stench down the drain. Response not acceptable!

    bnVsbA==

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  • From %@21:1/5 to Leper on Thu Mar 2 12:47:34 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:26:33 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 12:04 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the
    late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago
    that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia strike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.
    Like hell they do. And Russia and Germany agreed not to attack each
    other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

    Any Nukes in either country would flood both countries and then some.

    Bullshit.

    With the poisonous environment that would drift over the entire region

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    and much of the planet.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Here in middle America we are still infected with Strontium 90 from
    world wide nuclear testing.

    Not by enough to matter.

    It is is Cows milk even today from 1950's tests.

    Not by enough to matter.

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned

    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.

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  • From %@21:1/5 to PaxPerPoten on Thu Mar 2 12:49:17 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:30:05 +1100, PaxPerPoten <PPP@yale.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 12:07 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:12:55 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/27/2023 1:36 AM, %% wrote:
    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 16:24:10 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 9:57 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 13:38:28 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> >>>>>> wrote:

    On 2/14/2023 10:55 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:29:43 +1100, Leper
    <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/13/2023 5:22 PM, Peter Jason wrote:
    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 07:18:14 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 14 Feb 2023 06:59:52 +1100, Peter Jason
    <pj@jostle.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 13 Feb 2023 05:18:36 -0000 (UTC), J D Young
    <jdyoung2@ymail.com> wrote:

    SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia said on Monday it would >>>>>>>>>>>>> accelerate plans to
    buy advanced sea mines to protect its maritime routes and >>>>>>>>>>>>> ports from
    "potential aggressors" amid China's plans to increase its >>>>>>>>>>>>> influence in
    the
    Pacific region.

    Laudable. But will they also be placed along the length of >>>>>>>>>>>> submarine
    cables which could be cut by some enemy, in many locations, so >>>>>>>>>>>> isolating Oz from the rest of the world?

    Even if all the submarine cables were all cut in multiple >>>>>>>>>>> places,
    we would not be isolated from the rest of the world due to >>>>>>>>>>> satellites.
    That is true. But the cost and queuing would slow things >>>>>>>>>> down to a
    crawl. Presumably use would be rationed to the benefit of we >>>>>>>>>> posters
    in aus.politics.

    But in times of a real war, would those Satellites survive the >>>>>>>>> first few hours?
    Yep, there will never be a full nuclear holocaust and even
    if there was, it would never be possible to take out all the
    satellites anyway.

    Possibly be the very first causalities. To prevent return
    missile targeting.
    Mindlessly pig ignorant. INS alone is all you need to nuke
    missiles.

    Not a lot of our birds are on INS.
    BULLSHIT. They have that for when they lose communication
    with the satellites, stupid. The accuracy need for a NUKE ICBM
    is perfectly adequate with INS.

    We stopped designing those in the 70's or 80's
    There have been sweet fuck all new nuke
    icbms produced since then except by China.

    and have used less of the old designs for our systems.
    Whose systems ?

    We still have Subs that have to set positions before firing.
    But most don't.

    But not very many have to do that.
    So the dregs like that are irrelevant.

    Most of the very best manufacturers(researchers) are long gone.
    i.e Autonetics INS, Hughs INS Division, Raytheon etc.
    But the sub launched nukes haven't.

    I still have a tytac of the best one with all moving parts. A
    Nuclear screen in the early days was the tactical answer to both >>>>>>> incoming ICBM's and blocking/destroying satellite targeting. I
    understand the planners are thinking the same tactics to stop
    Drone Swarms.
    Irrelevant, those aren't nuke icbms.

    If and when the SHTF, you will find me in the back yard BBQing a >>>>>>> brisket and imbibing of my favorite drink. I am sure the girls
    will be perusing their bibles. I am sure you are aware of the
    targeting system in the Minuteman system? We put that bird active >>>>>>> in about 1962 and it has many upgrades since. But it is one of our >>>>>>> reliable solid repellent go-to birds.
    And INS is all it needs to put a nuke where
    it matters if there is no alternative left.

    You did note that the balloon killers we sent out were heat
    seekers. Which means all of those bogies were producing heat in
    order to be hit.
    Obviously the payload does that, that's why it has solar panels,
    stupid.

    China has plans to step up its presence in the Pacific and >>>>>>>>>>>>> entered a
    security pact with Solomon Islands last year, raising >>>>>>>>>>>>> concerns in the
    United States and Australia, who for decades have seen the >>>>>>>>>>>>> region as
    their
    sphere of influence.

    Australia has been looking to boost its defence spending >>>>>>>>>>>>> over the past
    few
    years, including entering into a deal in 2021 to buy nuclear >>>>>>>>>>>>> submarines
    from the United States and Britain.

    ($1 = 1.4323 Australian dollars)

    (Reporting by Renju Jose. Editing by Gerry Doyle)

    https://news.yahoo.com/australia-speed-purchase-sea-mines-034254381.html

    Yawnnnn..... End of communications with you.
    Wota stunning line in rational argument you have there, child.

    Nothing rational there.

    What I said, fuckwit child.

    <reams of your shit any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

    Response not acceptable!

    Like it or lump it.

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 2 14:59:45 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 18:08:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 6:14 AM, Petzl wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the late >>>>> 50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago that >>>>> it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that
    China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    ??? That doesn't seem to make sense.

    Does it have to?
    China is very good friends with the USA as long as they do what China
    tells you to do, the same for Russia and every one else (as long as
    they do what they are told).
    If you have a nuclear war contained to surface areas of Russia/USA you
    think want China or any other nuclear power to take over the world?
    America would be left with sticks and stones to fight off Johnny come
    lately's
    That is what the military think so if you get involved in M.A.D the
    whole world goes.



    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Thu Mar 2 16:08:02 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 14:59:45 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 1 Mar 2023 18:08:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 6:14 AM, Petzl wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 03:04:03 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the >>>>>> late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago
    that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia stike China, when Russia depends on China purchasing
    enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat? Not to mention that >>>> China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.

    ??? That doesn't seem to make sense.

    Does it have to?

    Yep.

    China is very good friends with the USA

    It never is.

    as long as they do what China
    tells you to do,

    That makes no sense either.

    the same for Russia and every one else (as long as
    they do what they are told).

    They never do.

    If you have a nuclear war contained to surface areas of Russia/USA you
    think want China or any other nuclear power to take over the world?

    You previously stupidly claimed that it would be all over for everyone
    else as soon as Russia and the USA nuked each other

    America would be left with sticks and stones to fight off Johnny come lately's

    BULLSHIT. And why would any Johnny come lately actually
    be stupid enough to try invading a devestated USA anyway ?

    Yes, much of China and Japan's export markets would be
    gone, but they would be no worse off then they were just
    after WW2 had ended and could carry on regardless fine
    and accept the fact that significant numbers would not
    live as long due to radioactive fallout and crop devestation
    due to a nuclear winter in the northern hemisphere but they
    got a much worse result than that in WW2 and managed to
    survive that anyway. They certainly wouldn't be invading
    the USA or russia either.

    That is what the military think

    BULLSHIT.

    so if you get involved in M.A.D the
    whole world goes.

    Not even possible to nuke everything so everyone dies in minutes
    or even months.

    The scene instantly changes in a Russia/USA nuclear response.
    There is no time to second guess, the response has already been
    determined Just becomes a M.A.D situation, your death is accepted and
    so is everyone else's! No winners!

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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Thu Mar 2 07:49:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    In article <op.105xvoeubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    China is very good friends with the USA

    It never is.

    We like each other's money. As Melania will tell you, that is the
    firmest foundation for a beautiful friendship.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Chen sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Fri Mar 3 11:48:46 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 16:08:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    China is very good friends with the USA

    It never is.

    I were being facetious
    --
    Petzl
    You funny guy, I'll kill you last.
    - Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin

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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 03:04:55 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 3/1/2023 7:47 PM, %% wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:26:33 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 12:04 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>

    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the >>>>>> late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago
    that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia strike China, when Russia depends on China
    purchasing enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.
     Like hell they do. And Russia and Germany agreed not to attack each
    other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

    Any Nukes in either country would flood both countries and then some.

    Bullshit.

    With the poisonous environment that would drift over the entire region

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    and much of the planet.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Here in middle America we are still infected with Strontium 90 from
    world wide nuclear testing.

    Not by enough to matter.

    It is is Cows milk even today from 1950's tests.

    Not by enough to matter.

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned

    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.

    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me. Even the
    Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are doing
    nfine. That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in
    comparison with the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation
    to Nation et. al. Your further ignorant posts are now filtered here.

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  • From Dean Markley@21:1/5 to Leper on Fri Mar 3 04:19:04 2023
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:04:49 AM UTC-5, Leper wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 7:47 PM, %% wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:26:33 +1100, Leper <Le...@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 12:04 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Le...@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Le...@MalokaiColony.com> >>>>
    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the >>>>>> late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago >>>>>> that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia strike China, when Russia depends on China
    purchasing enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.
    Like hell they do. And Russia and Germany agreed not to attack each
    other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

    Any Nukes in either country would flood both countries and then some.

    Bullshit.

    With the poisonous environment that would drift over the entire region

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    and much of the planet.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Here in middle America we are still infected with Strontium 90 from
    world wide nuclear testing.

    Not by enough to matter.

    It is is Cows milk even today from 1950's tests.

    Not by enough to matter.

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned

    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at Chernobyle.
    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me. Even the
    Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are doing
    nfine. That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in
    comparison with the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation
    to Nation et. al. Your further ignorant posts are now filtered here.

    Why would the Russians care? Chernobyl is in Ukraine.

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  • From chop@21:1/5 to Leper on Sat Mar 4 03:49:57 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Fri, 03 Mar 2023 20:04:55 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com> wrote:

    On 3/1/2023 7:47 PM, %% wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:26:33 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/28/2023 12:04 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Leper@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com> >>>>>
    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now >>>>>>> a
    solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the >>>>>>> late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago >>>>>>> that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia strike China, when Russia depends on China
    purchasing enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.
    Like hell they do. And Russia and Germany agreed not to attack each
    other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

    Any Nukes in either country would flood both countries and then some.
    Bullshit.

    With the poisonous environment that would drift over the entire region
    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    and much of the planet.
    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Here in middle America we are still infected with Strontium 90 from
    world wide nuclear testing.
    Not by enough to matter.

    It is is Cows milk even today from 1950's tests.
    Not by enough to matter.

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.
    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned
    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.

    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me.

    You are pathetic.

    Even the Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are
    doing nfine.

    BULLSHIT.

    That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in comparison with
    the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation to Nation et. al.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From PaxPerPoten@21:1/5 to Dean Markley on Fri Mar 3 12:34:58 2023
    This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
    On 3/3/2023 6:19 AM, Dean Markley wrote:
    On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 4:04:49 AM UTC-5, Leper wrote:
    On 3/1/2023 7:47 PM, %% wrote:
    On Thu, 02 Mar 2023 11:26:33 +1100, Leper <Le...@malokaicolony.com> wrote: >>>
    On 2/28/2023 12:04 PM, %% wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 20:04:03 +1100, Leper <Le...@malokaicolony.com>
    wrote:

    On 2/26/2023 11:23 PM, Petzl wrote:
    On Sun, 26 Feb 2023 22:56:14 -0600, Leper <Le...@MalokaiColony.com> >>>>>>
    I agree. EMP would definitely kill an INS guidance as they are now a >>>>>>>> solid state electronics device. We stop mechanical INS back in the >>>>>>>> late
    50's and 60's. Shielding might help some, but we decided long ago >>>>>>>> that
    it was a losing solution.

    China will be targeted by BOTH the U.S.A and Russia
    Will be over with no survivors worldwide in minutes!

    Why would Russia strike China, when Russia depends on China
    purchasing enough oil etc to keep the Russian economy afloat?

    Not to mention that China and Russian have a mutual defense pact.
    Like hell they do. And Russia and Germany agreed not to attack each >>>>> other
    at one time and a fat lot of use that was when Adolf attacked anyway.

    Any Nukes in either country would flood both countries and then some.

    Bullshit.

    With the poisonous environment that would drift over the entire region

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    and much of the planet.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    Here in middle America we are still infected with Strontium 90 from
    world wide nuclear testing.

    Not by enough to matter.

    It is is Cows milk even today from 1950's tests.

    Not by enough to matter.

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.

    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned

    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.
    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me. Even the
    Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are doing
    nfine. That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in
    comparison with the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation
    to Nation et. al. Your further ignorant posts are now filtered here.

    Why would the Russians care? Chernobyl is in Ukraine.

    Apparently the Russians cherish Chernobyl and are paying dearly in lives
    to obtain the country(Ukraine) that it resides in. we invaded Hawaii to
    attain a paradise. Perhaps Chernobyl is Russia's Paradise. ;-)

    bnVsbA==

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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to chop on Sat Mar 4 08:42:24 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 03:49:57 +1100, chop <chop654@gmail.com> wrote:

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.
    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned
    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to
    check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.

    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me.

    You are pathetic.

    Even the Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are
    doing nfine.

    BULLSHIT.

    Remember seeing "The Grand Tour" going through Chernobyl, didn't see
    anyone living there? But here's Jeremy Clarkson's take. https://youtu.be/uTSSmV4QQ4Q

    That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in comparison with
    the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation to Nation et. al.
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Peter Jason@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 11:03:56 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Fri, 03 Mar 2023 15:40:31 -0800, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.

    I read somewhere the surface radionuclides are gradually washed into
    the ground with rain & snow.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Sat Mar 4 10:32:03 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 10:17:44 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:42:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 03:49:57 +1100, chop <chop654@gmail.com> wrote:

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.
    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned
    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to >>>>>> check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.

    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me.

    You are pathetic.

    Even the Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are >>>> doing nfine.

    BULLSHIT.

    Remember seeing "The Grand Tour" going through Chernobyl, didn't see
    anyone living there?

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    But here's Jeremy Clarkson's take.
    https://youtu.be/uTSSmV4QQ4Q

    That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in comparison with >>>> the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation to Nation et.
    al.

    None appeared on video but the 2 minute interview supports your
    conclusion
    The full Chernobyl (part) video, 8 minutes
    https://youtu.be/nf6ON6pbDDA
    Oct 6, 2014
    With Clarkson in a Volkswagen Up, Hammond in a Ford Fiesta and May in
    a Dacia Sandero, the trio have been driving around the Crimean
    peninsula. But to complete their journey they must face one last
    fearsome challenge; to drive into Chernobyl. Cue as much wasting of
    fuel as possible. Clip taken from series 21, episode 3.
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Fri Mar 3 15:40:31 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Chen sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Sat Mar 4 10:17:44 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 08:42:24 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 03:49:57 +1100, chop <chop654@gmail.com> wrote:

    That makes the nuclear game fair and just as everyone loses.
    More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

    check out the area in Russia that has been abandoned
    But doesnt need to be, just like Chernobyle doesnt need to be.

    and now researchers can spend a couple of hours a week or whatever to >>>>> check out plant and animal resurgence since being affkicted with
    nuclear poisons

    How odd that the plants and animals are doing fine, just like at
    Chernobyle.

    Your migration to live in Chernobyl is acceptable to me.

    You are pathetic.

    Even the Russians don't accept that Chernobyl's plant and wild life are
    doing nfine.

    BULLSHIT.

    Remember seeing "The Grand Tour" going through Chernobyl, didn't see
    anyone living there?

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    But here's Jeremy Clarkson's take.
    https://youtu.be/uTSSmV4QQ4Q

    That nuclear infestation at Chernobyl was very minor in comparison with
    the purposeful detonation of such real weapons..Nation to Nation et.
    al.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Sat Mar 4 12:05:02 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long?

    Ever since it went bang.

    The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes.

    Clearly isnt doing the plants and animals any harm.

    When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.

    No evidence of any increased cancer rates with any of the animals.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Bernstein@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 02:06:46 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival, aus.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    On 03 Mar 2023, Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> posted some news:chine.bleu-614432.15402203032023@news.eternal-september.org:

    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.

    Not much dust on Pacific islands, unless you go mucking about digging
    things up. Humidity and typhoons keep the dust down.

    Unlike the USA where Democrats bent on world domination spread nuclear
    poison all over New Mexico, Nevada dustbeds, and later built a radioactive creek in St Louis.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Siri Cruise@21:1/5 to Rod Speed on Fri Mar 3 20:06:14 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    In article <op.109byop0byq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    No evidence of any increased cancer rates with any of the animals.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002052/

    https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/105/5/704/2961808

    --
    :-<> Siri Seal of Disavowal #000-001. Disavowed. Denied. Deleted. @
    'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.' /|\ Discordia: not just a religion but also a parody. This post / \
    I am an Andrea Chen sockpuppet. insults Islam. Mohammed

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Sat Mar 4 16:07:26 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote
    Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

    No evidence of any increased cancer rates with any of the animals.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002052/

    https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/105/5/704/2961808

    Neither of those say anything about CANCER RATES in the animals.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Leper@21:1/5 to Siri Cruise on Fri Mar 3 23:34:25 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On 3/3/2023 5:40 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.


    Sssshhh. The elimination of web know-it-alls could be the end result.
    There is an old man living at one of the lesser toxic zones of
    Chernobyl. His wife and daughter both died of effects of radiation. The Government has allowed him to live there as a study and he has no
    family. There was a full program on American TV a few years ago that
    actually filmed the children's toys and household furnishings to
    indicate how rapidly and fully the surviving residents fled. The old man
    also trapped animals for the scientists to study. Also the plant life.
    The Russian Scientists are way ahead of us on those studies. I have
    searched the Web for that Documentary, but no luck. I believe it was on
    PBS a number of years ago.








    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From andy wilson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 08:43:08 2023
    XPost: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.survival, aus.politics
    XPost: talk.politics.guns

    Siri Cruise <chine.bleu@yahoo.com> wrote in news:chine.bleu- 2B3AE2.20061403032023@news.eternal-september.org:

    In article <op.109byop0byq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    No evidence of any increased cancer rates with any of the animals.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20002052/

    https://academic.oup.com/jhered/article/105/5/704/2961808

    <https://dceg.cancer.gov/research/how-we-study/exposure-assessment/nci- dose-estimation-predicted-cancer-risk-residents-marshall-islands>

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 20:02:03 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 23:34:25 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/3/2023 5:40 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.


    Sssshhh. The elimination of web know-it-alls could be the end result.
    There is an old man living at one of the lesser toxic zones of
    Chernobyl. His wife and daughter both died of effects of radiation. The >Government has allowed him to live there as a study and he has no
    family. There was a full program on American TV a few years ago that
    actually filmed the children's toys and household furnishings to
    indicate how rapidly and fully the surviving residents fled. The old man
    also trapped animals for the scientists to study. Also the plant life.
    The Russian Scientists are way ahead of us on those studies. I have
    searched the Web for that Documentary, but no luck. I believe it was on
    PBS a number of years ago.

    This it? <https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-impact-of-chernobyls-nuclear-disaster-33-years-later>
    https://tinyurl.com/yyxr8f4q
    The impact of Chernobyl’s nuclear disaster 33 years later
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rod Speed@21:1/5 to Petzl on Sun Mar 5 02:40:46 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 20:02:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 23:34:25 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/3/2023 5:40 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.


    Sssshhh. The elimination of web know-it-alls could be the end result.
    There is an old man living at one of the lesser toxic zones of
    Chernobyl. His wife and daughter both died of effects of radiation. The
    Government has allowed him to live there as a study and he has no
    family. There was a full program on American TV a few years ago that
    actually filmed the children's toys and household furnishings to
    indicate how rapidly and fully the surviving residents fled. The old man
    also trapped animals for the scientists to study. Also the plant life.
    The Russian Scientists are way ahead of us on those studies. I have
    searched the Web for that Documentary, but no luck. I believe it was on
    PBS a number of years ago.

    This it? <https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-impact-of-chernobyls-nuclear-disaster-33-years-later>
    https://tinyurl.com/yyxr8f4q
    The impact of Chernobyl’s nuclear disaster 33 years later

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-04/can-the-dogs-of-chernobyl-teach-us-new-tricks-on-survival-/102054608

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Petzl@21:1/5 to rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com on Sun Mar 5 15:25:36 2023
    XPost: talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, aus.politics
    XPost: alt.survival

    On Sun, 05 Mar 2023 02:40:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
    <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 04 Mar 2023 20:02:03 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 23:34:25 -0600, Leper <Leper@MalokaiColony.com>
    wrote:

    On 3/3/2023 5:40 PM, Siri Cruise wrote:
    In article <op.1086zu0ubyq249@pvr2.lan>,
    "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

    There have been a number of docos showing people illegally
    living there and the plants and animals doing fine.

    For how long? The background radiation would drop exponentially
    util it was no immediate threat. What lasts thousands of years is
    dust with radioactive isotopes. When those lodge in a body, they
    tickle nearby tissue with alpha particles until they become
    cancer. Years later.


    Sssshhh. The elimination of web know-it-alls could be the end result.
    There is an old man living at one of the lesser toxic zones of
    Chernobyl. His wife and daughter both died of effects of radiation. The
    Government has allowed him to live there as a study and he has no
    family. There was a full program on American TV a few years ago that
    actually filmed the children's toys and household furnishings to
    indicate how rapidly and fully the surviving residents fled. The old man >>> also trapped animals for the scientists to study. Also the plant life.
    The Russian Scientists are way ahead of us on those studies. I have
    searched the Web for that Documentary, but no luck. I believe it was on
    PBS a number of years ago.

    This it?
    <https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-impact-of-chernobyls-nuclear-disaster-33-years-later>
    https://tinyurl.com/yyxr8f4q
    The impact of Chernobyl’s nuclear disaster 33 years later

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-04/can-the-dogs-of-chernobyl-teach-us-new-tricks-on-survival-/102054608

    <https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/belarus-chernobyl-radiation-contamination>
    https://tinyurl.com/yhoum5qw
    The Chernobyl disaster technically took place in the former Soviet
    republic of Ukraine, but radioactive contamination hardly respects
    geopolitical borders—especially the border with Belarus, a scant six
    miles from the site of the meltdown. Roughly two-thirds of the
    territory of Belarus suffered significant contamination, and within
    two years of the disaster, the Belarusian government had designated
    the most toxic area, along the Ukrainian border and closest to the
    plant, the Polesie State Radioecological Reserve. This restricted
    zone, once home to scores of villages, was to be used exclusively for scientific monitoring and research. In November 2018, as tourism to
    the Chernobyl area of Ukraine continued to grow, Belarusian
    authorities tentatively began offering tour routes through their
    Reserve. I’ve led some of these Exclusion Zone tours in Ukraine for
    years (Disclosure: including for Atlas Obscura), so the following
    summer I decided to pay Belarus’s Reserve a visit. The prescribed
    tours usually took the form of highly structured one-day itineraries
    focused on select locations, but I asked if it might be possible to
    explore further afield, on a two-day “monumenteering” trip. The
    Reserve’s administration approved my request.
    --
    Petzl
    Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
    Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
    behind them, a desert waste
    -- nothing escapes them....

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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