DMaybe all true, maybe not.
ennis Carroll
23h
Hard to believe they would leave the ship in that condition and the let
the report out.
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Alex Mann
Historian (2017–present)6mo
How did Moskva sink?
We are going to talk for a minute about modern warships and how they
work. I know this is a lot of technical jargon but there is a reason I
am being this detailed. Once you see the full picture, it’s jaw-dropping.
Moskva was a rare ship- a powerful warship crammed with every type of
weapon you could need. It was the Flagship of the Black Sea Fleet and
the pride of the Russian Navy.
Now with any big ship, the biggest threat is anti-ship missiles. These missiles can really do a number on ships and the bigger the target the easier it is to hit.
So the Moskva had a 3-layered anti-air defense system. This is as
advanced if not more advance than what many modern US Warships have. It
went like this
1st layer: S-300F: These are long-range surface-to-air missiles that can intercept aircraft or missiles and destroy them
2nd Layer: 9K33 OSA: These are short range surface to air missiles to provide defense if the S-300 fails
3rd layer: AK-630: These are Rotary cannons that fill the air with
bullets kinda like the Vulcan on US ships
On top of this, the Moskva had a large 130 mm auto-cannon,
anti-submarine missiles, and P-500 Bazalt anti-ship missiles. This ship
was loaded with more weaponry than any other ship on the seas.
So what happened? Well in summary the ship was sighted by drones and 2 Neptune anti-ship missiles were fired at the Moskva. They hit the ship
and the resulting damage eventually sank her. Pretty simple right?
Russia just claimed there was a normal fire but the pictures we see of
the ship make it clear what happened. Random fires don’t sink uber-expensive modern warships.
This leaves 2 questions.
How did these missiles penetrate the 3-layer defense system? Seriously
this system is designed from the ground up to specifically counter NATO munitions- which the Neptune 100% is
Why did damage control fail? The Moskva had state-of-the-art damage
control systems. On modern ships, these systems can allow damaged ships
to continue fighting and functioning or limp back to port. The Moskva
was built to take hits like this and keep rolling so what happened?
For a while, this was a mystery but not anymore. You see 14 days before
the Ukraine invasion an inspection of the Moskva was carried out by the Russian government and a report was filed. This is where things get amazing.
That S-300 missile system? Well, the radar system it depended on to work interfered with communications and was turned off meaning they didn’t work.
That 9KSS missile system? It hadn’t been working for months and was totally non-functional
How about those AK-630 mini-guns? Well, 5 of the 6 had been stripped for parts, leaving only 1 functional.
That complex “3-layer defense system” was completely offline.
Ok so what about damage control?
Most of the safety equipment had been stolen and sold on the black
market. What little remained was locked up by the captain and thus unavailable in an emergency
Of the 500 required fire extinguishers- only 50 remained
Most water-tight doors either leaked or were jammed open
The control systems either didn’t work or didn’t indicate their status to the bridge
So not only were the defense weapons busted- damage control was busted
too. That’s not even everything.
The steering system was jammed, 2 of the 4 engines were past their life cycle and didn’t work, and the power generators didn’t work. Oh and that cool looking 130 mm gun? Hydraulic leak- NON-FUNCTIONAL.
No US Navy ship would EVER be in such a sorry state let alone sent into combat barely functional. The fact Russia sent the Moskva out to war in
this state is telling. Everything Russia has looks tough but beneath
that exterior, you find greed and incompetence.
So what sank the Moskva? Well, it’s the same thing that sunk the Kursk, blew up Chornobyl, and allowed Stalin to take power- greed,
incompetence, and arrogance.
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Antonius Budianto
On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 10:09:38 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:demonstrated to work all too well.
Maybe all true, maybe not.
Dennis Carroll
23h
Hard to believe they would leave the ship in that condition and the let
the report out.
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Alex Mann
Historian (2017–present)6mo
How did Moskva sink?
We are going to talk for a minute about modern warships and how they
work. I know this is a lot of technical jargon but there is a reason I
am being this detailed. Once you see the full picture, it’s jaw-dropping. >> snip
The problem I have with Quora is lack of proof. How does the writer know those details about the state of Moskva? Now, the argument is probably anchored in a grain of truth. However, there is no doubt that quite a few Russian weapons have been
Dean
On 4/11/23 04:55, Dean Markley wrote:demonstrated to work all too well.
On Monday, April 10, 2023 at 10:09:38 AM UTC-4, a425couple wrote:
Maybe all true, maybe not.
Dennis Carroll
23h
Hard to believe they would leave the ship in that condition and the let >> the report out.
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Alex Mann
Historian (2017–present)6mo
How did Moskva sink?
We are going to talk for a minute about modern warships and how they
work. I know this is a lot of technical jargon but there is a reason I
am being this detailed. Once you see the full picture, it’s jaw-dropping.
snip
The problem I have with Quora is lack of proof. How does the writer know those details about the state of Moskva? Now, the argument is probably anchored in a grain of truth. However, there is no doubt that quite a few Russian weapons have been
DeanI agree with you Dean. But very interesting for whatever proper
weight it is worth.
Perhaps there had been a recent equivalent of
Command Inspector General Inspection,
and perhaps it got compromised (like
so many things seem to be lately).
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