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    From Retrograde@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 5 21:36:00 2023
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    Title: Socrates Never Wrote a Term Paper
    Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 13:25:00 -0500
    Link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/socrates-never-wrote-a-term-paper-education-teaching-learning-college-ai-chatgpt-lecturing-students-11675613853

    Active participation trumps essays in classical education.



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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Mon Feb 6 23:06:16 2023
    On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 21:36:00 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Active participation trumps essays in classical education.

    "My way" is best is always wrong....

    "The cognitive process is divided into six levels from lower to
    higher: remembering, understanding, applying, analyzing, evaluating,
    and creating."

    Being "gifted" does not mean a person will avoid the road of hard
    knocks. Examine the scientific road, where thousands and thousands
    could not find the correct solution.

    Trumps

    Having verbal skills with a larger awareness means what?

    Persons with weak verbal skills can be quite brilliant....intelligent.


    The Many Strengths of Dyslexics http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/dyslexics/learn-about-dyslexia/what-is-dyslexia/the-many-strengths-of-dyslexics

    Cher: Entertainer, Actress. ..
    Anderson Cooper: Journalist. ...
    Robin Williams: Comedian. ...
    Keira Knightley: Actress. ...
    Albert Einstein: Physicist. ...
    Pablo Picasso: Painter, Artist. ...
    Whoopi Goldberg: Comedian, Actress.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Wed Feb 8 10:22:41 2023
    On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 21:36:00 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Active participation trumps essays in classical education.

    But....

    Exploring The Seven Different Intelligences

    Word Smart (linguistic intelligence)
    Math Smart (numerical/reasoning/logic intelligence)
    Physically Smart (kinesthetic intelligence)
    Music Smart (musical intelligence)
    People Smart (interpersonal intelligence)
    Self Smart (intrapersonal intelligence)

    http://astro1.panet.utoledo.edu/~ljc/smarts.htm

    Writing skills must be practiced....just like verbal...

    Verbal and writing skills are not coequal to my awareness.

    Regardless, have neuroscientists weighed in on this topic???

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Wed Feb 8 20:38:43 2023
    JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:


    Exploring The Seven Different Intelligences

    Word Smart (linguistic intelligence)
    Math Smart (numerical/reasoning/logic intelligence)
    Physically Smart (kinesthetic intelligence)
    Music Smart (musical intelligence)
    People Smart (interpersonal intelligence)
    Self Smart (intrapersonal intelligence)

    That's Six!

    First off, I thought the author must be a bloviator until I spotted
    that you'd left out one of the seven. From the web page:

    4. Spatial

    Think in images and pictures. May be fascinated with mazes or
    jigsaw puzzles, or spend free time drawing, building things or
    daydreaming.

    Even that is a weak characterization of "spatial smarts". I'm acutely
    aware of the topic after living with someone whose chief cognitive
    stumbling block is a shortfall in spatial relations while that mode is
    (IMHO) my strong suit.

    It's an great exaggeration to say that she cannot too the puzzles,
    meant for toddlers, of putting the square block in the square hole,
    the round block in the wound hole and so on. But the quotidian tasks
    that reflect the adult version of the cognitive skill/talent indicated
    by the toddler toy are a chronic problem.

    People strong on that aspect can, for example, see instantly that two
    things that differ slightly -- two spoons of slightly differing
    pattern, 2" bolts of 5/8" and 9/16" diameter -- are different. People
    said to be "mechanically inclined" are probably people with a natural
    strong talent to see quickly how a mechanical device operates, notice
    spatial, dimensional or geometric details and other similar factors.

    Here's a related amusing anecdote: After decades of hearing about it,
    I recently watched Chaplin's Modern Times for the first time. He
    appears to be tightening nuts on threaded studs which the next workers
    on the assembly line stake in place. (Well known method of securing a
    nut in place.) But AFAICT, he's turning the nuts in the wrong
    direction. Yes, there is such a thing as left-hand threads but
    spatial intuition says that they'd be more common RHT and he's
    loosening them.


    http://astro1.panet.utoledo.edu/~ljc/smarts.htm

    Writing skills must be practiced....just like verbal...

    Verbal and writing skills are not coequal to my awareness.

    Regardless, have neuroscientists weighed in on this topic???

    There was a piece in SciAm circa 1984, entitled
    "Turning something over in the mind". They had found a correlated
    physical distribution of neural activity in the brain when a subject
    was mentally trying to determine if two images of asymmetric objects represented the same of differing objects.

    Turning Something Over in the Mind
    Lynn A. Cooper and Roger N. Shepard
    Scientific American
    Vol. 251, No. 6 (December 1984), pp. 106-115 (10 pages)

    https://www.jstor.org/stable/24969504

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Thu Feb 9 21:49:42 2023
    On 08 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    the author

    More details

    Gardner's Theory of Multiple Intelligences
    By Michele Marenus, published June 09, 2020

    https://www.simplypsychology.org/multiple-intelligences.html

    That's Six!

    Actually 8...see cite above....I did a quick copy paste via Google
    search....

    "spatial smarts".....But the quotidian tasks
    that reflect the adult version of the cognitive skill/talent indicated
    by the toddler toy are a chronic problem.

    Yes, there are drivers who must use GPS devices, and many can't
    read/translate a highway map. I know of a female who can get lost in
    a small town...she has to use the same streets over/over.

    Turning Something Over in the Mind
    Lynn A. Cooper and Roger N. Shepard

    Behind a paywall....

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Fri Feb 10 03:24:14 2023
    JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:

    On 08 Feb 2023 20:38:43 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    Turning Something Over in the Mind
    Lynn A. Cooper and Roger N. Shepard

    Behind a paywall....

    Not as well illustrated as the SciAm article, same author and research
    track:

    http://www.bryanburnham.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Cooper-1976.pdf

    Or buy the book. MIT Press saya it's out of print but Amazon seems to
    have copies.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Mental-Images-Their-Transformations-Shepard/dp/0262690993

    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Fri Feb 10 08:11:45 2023
    On 10 Feb 2023 03:24:14 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    Or

    In my case in the example below, where to install the sofa would just
    pop-up in my mind. From time to time, I create/work with functional
    stuff, and related ideas for a project will just pop-up in my mind visually...no thinking required.



    Framing the figure: Mental rotation revisited in light of cognitive
    strategies
    A. Reyyan Bilge & Holly A. Taylor
    Memory & Cognition volume 45, pages 63-80 (2017)


    Dave and Judy just moved to a new apartment. A delivery guy
    haphazardly places the parts of their new sectional sofa across the
    living room. Both Dave and Judy think about how to best arrange the
    sectional. Although they independently decide on the same location and configuration, Dave makes his decision more quickly. Talking about how
    they decided where it should go, they realize they used different
    approaches. While Dave re-arranged the sectional by thinking about it
    as a whole, Judy mentally manipulated the pieces one by one,
    potentially explaining why she contemplated the solution longer. Why
    did they adopt different strategies? Is it because Dave is a man and
    Judy is a woman? Or do other factors such as the walls of the room, or
    the way they are accustomed to think about space contribute to their
    cognitive strategy differences? The current research examined factors
    affecting cognitive strategies used for mental rotation.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13421-016-0648-1

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to fungus@amongus.com.invalid on Fri Feb 10 11:00:11 2023
    On Sun, 5 Feb 2023 21:36:00 -0000 (UTC), Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    Active participation trumps essays in classical education.

    1. Introverts think more.
    2. Introverts can focus longer.
    3. Introverts are often "gifted" in a specific field
    4. Introverts do the right thing.

    Introverts tend to be less swayed by external events and driven more
    by their inner moral compass.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/07/neuroscientist-shares-coveted-skills-that-set-introverts-apart-their-brains-work-differently.html

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  • From Mike Spencer@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Feb 11 23:29:49 2023
    JAB <here@is.invalid> writes:

    On 10 Feb 2023 03:24:14 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    Or

    In my case in the example below, where to install the sofa would just
    pop-up in my mind. From time to time, I create/work with functional
    stuff, and related ideas for a project will just pop-up in my mind visually...no thinking required.



    Framing the figure: Mental rotation revisited in light of cognitive strategies
    A. Reyyan Bilge & Holly A. Taylor
    Memory & Cognition volume 45, pages 63-80 (2017)


    Dave and Judy just moved to a new apartment. A delivery guy
    haphazardly places the parts of their new sectional sofa across the
    living room. Both Dave and Judy think about how to best arrange the sectional. Although they independently decide on the same location and configuration, Dave makes his decision more quickly. Talking about how
    they decided where it should go, they realize they used different
    approaches. While Dave re-arranged the sectional by thinking about it
    as a whole, Judy mentally manipulated the pieces one by one,
    potentially explaining why she contemplated the solution longer. Why
    did they adopt different strategies? Is it because Dave is a man and
    Judy is a woman? Or do other factors such as the walls of the room, or
    the way they are accustomed to think about space contribute to their cognitive strategy differences? The current research examined factors affecting cognitive strategies used for mental rotation.

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.3758/s13421-016-0648-1

    Thank you for that. Haven't read it in detail yet but did browse it.
    And I finally unearthed my hardcopy of Dec. '84 SciAm. Browsing the
    Bilge & Taylor paper, I realized that, in looking at the
    illustrations/figures in the Cooper & Shepard SciAm article, I had
    been mentally rotating one end/part of a figure to match another, then
    mentally rotating the other end to see if the same degree of rotation
    also resulted in a match. So there's a suggestion of "piecemeal"
    approach. I can't seem to do the whole thing at once.

    Surmise that helps explain why I can play chess but I'm not very good
    at it. I think good chess players have -- can maintain -- a mental representation of the whole board under various candidate
    transitions/moves.

    Tnx,
    --
    Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere on Tue Feb 14 22:54:53 2023
    On 11 Feb 2023 23:29:49 -0400, Mike Spencer
    <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

    I can play chess but I'm not very good
    at it.

    I never pursued it learning wise. Intuitively based for me...just
    knowing how the pieces moved is all I knew. I suppose I could have
    been rated around 1200 during university days, but it was just for
    social occasions. I was not motivated to do better

    FWIW

    Left Brain - Right brain and the Spinning Girl https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/left-brain-right-brain-and-the-spinning-girl/

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