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  • NASA Battery Tech to Deliver for the Grid

    From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 29 20:04:07 2023
    NASA Battery Tech to Deliver for the Grid

    A battery built for satellites brings grid-scale storage down to Earth

    Technologies for space are designed to be tough, safe, and
    long-lasting. So what happens when you bring the battery chemistry
    deployed on the International Space Station, nickel-hydrogen, down to
    Earth?

    "[It's] the most durable battery ever invented," says Jorg Heinemann. Nickel-hydrogen batteries, he says, can last for 30,000 charge cycles,
    are fireproof, and outperform lithium-ion batteries on a number of key
    metrics for energy storage at the large scale.

    Heinemann is CEO of EnerVenue, a nickel-hydrogen battery manufacturer
    based in Fremont, Calif. "Our cost is comparable to where lithium-ion
    is going, and we use earth-abundant materials," he says. "Nickel is
    the most expensive thing we use. We operate at a 90 percent round-trip efficiency, more efficient than lithium-ion. And there's basically no maintenance on this battery, it was designed for sending up on a
    rocket ship into outer space."

    Nickel-hydrogen batteries can run for tens of thousands of cycles,
    giving them a life of over 30 years.


    https://spectrum.ieee.org/grid-scale-battery-storage-nickel-hydrogen#toggle-gdpr

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to JAB on Sat Sep 30 11:06:16 2023
    On Fri, 29 Sep 2023 20:04:07 -0500
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    NASA Battery Tech to Deliver for the Grid

    A battery built for satellites brings grid-scale storage down to Earth

    Technologies for space are designed to be tough, safe, and
    long-lasting. So what happens when you bring the battery chemistry
    deployed on the International Space Station, nickel-hydrogen, down to
    Earth?

    "[It's] the most durable battery ever invented," says Jorg Heinemann. Nickel-hydrogen batteries, he says, can last for 30,000 charge cycles,
    are fireproof, and outperform lithium-ion batteries on a number of key metrics for energy storage at the large scale.

    Heinemann is CEO of EnerVenue, a nickel-hydrogen battery manufacturer
    based in Fremont, Calif. "Our cost is comparable to where lithium-ion
    is going, and we use earth-abundant materials," he says. "Nickel is
    the most expensive thing we use. We operate at a 90 percent round-trip efficiency, more efficient than lithium-ion. And there's basically no maintenance on this battery, it was designed for sending up on a
    rocket ship into outer space."

    Nickel-hydrogen batteries can run for tens of thousands of cycles,
    giving them a life of over 30 years.


    https://spectrum.ieee.org/grid-scale-battery-storage-nickel-hydrogen#toggle-gdpr


    Wasn't it this NG that gave me a link to glass battery technology?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass_battery

    If it's Goodenough! (/weak joke>

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to admin@127.0.0.1 on Sun Oct 1 07:39:00 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:06:16 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    Wasn't it this NG that gave me a link to glass battery technology?

    Trade offs must be considered....charge cycles....safety...raw
    material available...battery dimensions, weight, etc

    Nickel-hydrogen batteries can run for tens of thousands of cycles,
    giving them a life of over 30 years.

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  • From Retrograde@21:1/5 to JAB on Sun Oct 1 11:27:12 2023
    On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:39:00 -0500
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Trade offs must be considered....charge cycles....safety...raw
    material available...battery dimensions, weight, etc

    The big one is, unfortunately, cost. Li-Ion works "pretty well" at far
    lower cost. Some of that is economies of scale. And not just purchase
    cost - cost of operation, maintenance, replacement, decommissioning,
    safety features etc.

    Li-Ion is currently 90% of the grid-scale battery market. Their
    combustibility is being handled by new systems that automatically
    monitor and control heat build up and deploy fire protection systems if necessary. That's not ideal, but it seems to still be more cost
    effective than alternatives.

    I'm watching flow batteries carefully, but they're finicky and
    expensive. Check out vanadium redox for example.

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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to admin@127.0.0.1 on Sun Oct 1 12:34:37 2023
    On Sat, 30 Sep 2023 11:06:16 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John"
    <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

    Wasn't it this NG that gave me a link to glass battery technology?

    Subject: John Goodenough - new glass battery
    Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 21:58:40 -0500

    Li-ion co-inventor patents glass battery that could upturn auto
    industry
    ..
    ..
    And the new glass battery promises to accelerate the shift away from
    internal combustion engines because it will deliver a significant
    increase in storage capacity.

    By "spiking" glass with either sodium or lithium to form an electrode
    within the battery, the researchers say the new battery technology
    provides three times the energy storage capacity of comparable
    lithium-ion batteries.

    It is also neither volatile nor flammable, and does not display issues
    of lithium dendrite growth that plagues li-ion batteries, which can
    cause short-circuits and present safety hazards.

    <https://thedriven.io/2020/04/06/li-ion-co-inventor-patents-glass-battery-that-could-upturn-auto-industry/>

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  • From Kerr-Mudd, John@21:1/5 to Retrograde on Sun Oct 1 20:09:30 2023
    On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 11:27:12 -0400
    Retrograde <fungus@amongus.com.invalid> wrote:

    On Sun, 01 Oct 2023 07:39:00 -0500
    JAB <here@is.invalid> wrote:

    Trade offs must be considered....charge cycles....safety...raw
    material available...battery dimensions, weight, etc

    The big one is, unfortunately, cost. Li-Ion works "pretty well" at far
    lower cost. Some of that is economies of scale. And not just purchase
    cost - cost of operation, maintenance, replacement, decommissioning,
    safety features etc.

    Li-Ion is currently 90% of the grid-scale battery market. Their combustibility is being handled by new systems that automatically
    monitor and control heat build up and deploy fire protection systems if necessary. That's not ideal, but it seems to still be more cost
    effective than alternatives.

    There's the scaling up problem - is there enough Lithium out there? (I
    don't know it's a geniune question)

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201124-how-geothermal-lithium-could-revolutionise-green-energy
    (I just get "Loading", maybe it works for othyer browsers)


    I'm watching flow batteries carefully, but they're finicky and
    expensive. Check out vanadium redox for example.


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  • From JAB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 1 15:10:25 2023
    On Sun, 1 Oct 2023 20:09:30 +0100, "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1>
    wrote:

    There's the scaling up problem - is there enough Lithium out there? (I
    don't know it's a geniune question)

    https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20201124-how-geothermal-lithium-could-revolutionise-green-energy
    (I just get "Loading", maybe it works for othyer browsers)

    URL works, but it's a dated article: 24th November 2020



    Lithium discovery in US volcano could be biggest deposit ever found |
    Research | Chemistry World

    chemistryworld.com
    Lithium discovery in US volcano could be biggest deposit ever found
    Find could point to new ways to prospect for material in high demand
    for batteries.


    https://twitter.com/OrrellAEI/status/1700604848910037411

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