In my last post at bottom of this page I spotted the error of Old Chemistry, Old Physics in this EXPERIMENT listed. Of course we can invert test tubes to achieve the vacuum as the gas replaces the water.

And to measure our outcome we see one tube has twice the volume. However, the mistake made in Old Physics Old Chemistry is the volume of hydrogen atom of H2, not H is much smaller than the volume of Oxygen atom O.

Atomic volume increases directly with atomic number as the torus of protons increases directly with atomic number. So when we view the hydrogen gas in one test tube, it represents 4 times oxygen atoms, thus meaning water is H4O, and not H2O.

Not sure if Humphry Davy gets credit for seeing the hydrogen tube 2x larger volume than oxygen tube?? It could have been Faraday who did this, and perhaps his only big mistake.

But then we have to go back in Chemistry history to find who was the chemist that started this silly stupid idea that hydrogen atom was so much larger than a oxygen atom. When in fact, the volume and size of atoms is directly related to increasing atomic
number.

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Clincher Experiment to volume of H2 and O2 in electrolysis Experiment.

The trouble with the volume to ascertain if water is H4O or H2O is that volume is not as good as directly measuring atomic mass units where hydrogen is a 1 mass unit and oxygen is a 16 mass unit.

So what AP claims is that if the two test tubes were measured as per atomic mass units, it will prove that water is in fact truly H4O and not H2O.

This apparently is extremely difficult or else it would have be done and performed in some lab in the last century, in the 1900s. But because it is extremely difficult, it has never been performed.

Also, adding to the fact that few physicists or chemists have logical minds to pursue the idea that when they see the tube of hydrogen be 2x that of oxygen, their analytic brains seem to shut down, and want to go grab a Danish roll and coffee or a
Cheeseburger and coca cola.

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Now I am learning the Faraday law of Electrolysis for the first time, one of three that measures the mass of the byproducts.

So we test if the Faraday law is accurate by two metals.

Then apply this law to Water.

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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 5:27:33 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

Clincher Experiment to volume of H2 and O2 in electrolysis Experiment.

So in the Clincher-experiment, not relying upon gas volumes, but rather seeking the mass of the test tube of hydrogen and the mass of the test tube of oxygen. Can this be accurately measured by 2023???

And when in the history of chemical analysis or physics analysis could we accurately say how many atomic mass units of 1 for hydrogen in the hydrogen test tube and how many atomic mass units of 16 in the oxygen test tube???? Or is this accuracy still out
of reach by 2023? Because the volume of oxygen versus volume of hydrogen under the error filled idea that the hydrogen atom has a radius larger than the oxygen atom is sheer nonsense.

The trouble with the volume to ascertain if water is H4O or H2O is that volume is not as good as directly measuring atomic mass units where hydrogen is a 1 mass unit and oxygen is a 16 mass unit.

So what AP claims is that if the two test tubes were measured as per atomic mass units, it will prove that water is in fact truly H4O and not H2O.

This apparently is extremely difficult or else it would have be done and performed in some lab in the last century, in the 1900s. But because it is extremely difficult, it has never been performed.

Also, adding to the fact that few physicists or chemists have logical minds to pursue the idea that when they see the tube of hydrogen be 2x that of oxygen, their analytic brains seem to shut down, and want to go grab a Danish roll and coffee or a

Cheeseburger and coca cola.


So I did not expect this, that the faith of the water molecule being H2O when in truth it is H4O, was all dependent on the silly idea that the test tube of hydrogen had 2X the volume as of oxygen. How mighty gullible and shoddy were the chemists and
physicists of the past. For to verify the formula H2O or H4O requires a atomic mass analysis. And none was performed as far as I know.

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On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:02:08 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

Now I am learning the Faraday law of Electrolysis for the first time, one of three that measures the mass of the byproducts.

So we test if the Faraday law is accurate by two metals.

Then apply this law to Water.

--- quoting in part from source-- Study.com ---
Perhaps there is only two Faraday laws on Electrolysis. I am looking at the one that states: Faraday's first law of electrolysis relates the mass of a substance liberated (or deposited) at an electrode to the electric charge used (Q). A proportionality
constant Z can be used:

m = ZQ = (E/96485)(Q)

m = mass, Q = total charge rewritten as Q = I*t amperes x time in seconds.

This website gives an example: 5amps passed through molten Sodium Chloride for 3 hours. Calculate the mass of Sodium. E=23/1.

m = (23/96485) (5) (3*60*60) approx 12.87 grams.

--- end quoting in part from source-- Study.com ---

Now has such a experiment been performed on Water to see how much atomic mass of hydrogen and of oxygen results??? If AP is correct, the formula of water is H4O, if Old Physics, Old Chemistry is correct the formula is H2O. So which is it???

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On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 12:00:35 AM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 11:02:08 PM UTC-5, Archimedes Plutonium wrote:

Now I am learning the Faraday law of Electrolysis for the first time, one of three that measures the mass of the byproducts.

So we test if the Faraday law is accurate by two metals.

Then apply this law to Water.

--- quoting in part from source-- Study.com ---
Perhaps there is only two Faraday laws on Electrolysis. I am looking at the one that states: Faraday's first law of electrolysis relates the mass of a substance liberated (or deposited) at an electrode to the electric charge used (Q). A proportionality

constant Z can be used:

m = ZQ = (E/96485)(Q)

m = mass, Q = total charge rewritten as Q = I*t amperes x time in seconds.

This website gives an example: 5amps passed through molten Sodium Chloride for 3 hours. Calculate the mass of Sodium. E=23/1.

m = (23/96485) (5) (3*60*60) approx 12.87 grams.

--- end quoting in part from source-- Study.com ---

Now has such a experiment been performed on Water to see how much atomic mass of hydrogen and of oxygen results??? If AP is correct, the formula of water is H4O, if Old Physics, Old Chemistry is correct the formula is H2O. So which is it???

No, sorry no, Faraday's Law of Electrolysis is not going to tell the correct mass of hydrogen.

Reading Wikipedia on Faraday's Electrolysis law.

--- quoting Wikipedia ---
A monovalent ion requires 1 electron for discharge, a divalent ion requires 2 electrons for discharge and so on. Thus, if x electrons flow,
x/v atoms are discharged.

So the mass m discharged is

m= (xM)/vN_A) = (QM)/(eN_A *v) = (QM) / (vF)
where
N_A is the Avogadro constant;
Q = xe is the total charge, equal to the number of electrons (x) times the elementary charge e;
F is the Faraday constant.
--- end quoting Wikipedia ---

No, the Faraday law of Electrolysis will not work on water with a correct answer, because H is not an atom but H2 is an Atom. And where one of the proton+muon converts to being a neutron to the other proton+muon.

So if Faraday's law of Electrolysis was applied to water, thinking it would deliver a true answer is mistaken because the one H converts to neutron.

So it appears that we need to directly measure the test tube of oxygen and the test tube of hydrogen by a direct mass measurement.

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