• If BHs are stars that were in stable orbits for their lifetimes

    From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 31 21:10:00 2023
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 1 06:49:04 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.

    The ususal word salad, confused, moron gibberish.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Fri Sep 1 10:26:37 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:01:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    The ususal word salad, confused, moron gibberish.

    Stars that were in stable orbits for billions of years
    if they were to become BH they would not spiral
    in.. as everything keeps its stable orbit. Even heat
    does not push anything out of its orbit...
    Look at comets. They keep their same ellipses
    where there is heat.

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Fri Sep 1 11:42:08 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:01:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    The ususal word salad, confused, moron gibberish.

    Stars that were in stable orbits for billions of years

    Stars are not generally in orbit around anything other than the galaxy,
    moron.

    if they were to become BH they would not spiral
    in.. as everything keeps its stable orbit. Even heat
    does not push anything out of its orbit...
    Look at comets. They keep their same ellipses
    where there is heat.

    This is all word salad, babbling gibberish, moron.


    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 15:22:09 2023
    On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the
    long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.


    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Ditto.


    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?

    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    Sylvia.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Sat Sep 2 05:34:40 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:01:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    The ususal word salad, confused, moron gibberish.

    Stars that were in stable orbits for billions of years
    Stars are not generally in orbit around anything other than the galaxy, moron.

    Then how could they as BH collide with another in their future jim?
    What about binary or more system required for BHs to collide?
    If they started in stable orbit for billions of years ago they
    would not leave it.


    if they were to become BH they would not spiral
    in.. as everything keeps its stable orbit. Even heat
    does not push anything out of its orbit...
    Look at comets. They keep their same ellipses
    where there is heat.
    This is all word salad, babbling gibberish, moron.


    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sat Sep 2 05:17:46 2023
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the
    long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    If stars were not stable they would have collided billions of years ago
    Man makes his own unstable orbits. Some time nature does.
    But it is not for the stars. It is for accretion discs...




    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.


    Ditto.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.


    Sylvia.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 22:40:36 2023
    On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the
    long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    If stars were not stable they would have collided billions of years ago

    That rather depends on how long it takes, and how far apart the stars
    were in the first place, doesn't it? If some stars had already collided
    because they started out not so far apart, would you know?

    Man makes his own unstable orbits. Some time nature does.
    But it is not for the stars. It is for accretion discs...




    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.


    Ditto.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.

    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    Sylvia.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Sylvia Else on Sat Sep 2 06:01:12 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the
    long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    Sylvia? How can everything have always been in unstable orbit?
    Everything in the universe would have already collided.
    Why haven't more thing collided by all these unstable orbits?



    If stars were not stable they would have collided billions of years ago
    That rather depends on how long it takes, and how far apart the stars
    were in the first place, doesn't it? If some stars had already collided because they started out not so far apart, would you know?
    But if you supposedly don't know it can't be used as a argument sylvia.

    Man makes his own unstable orbits. Some time nature does.
    But it is not for the stars. It is for accretion discs...




    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.


    Ditto.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.
    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    No. The Moon ellipse orbit is expanding.in size.
    Galaxies expand or grow just the same by expanding
    orbit as the Moon orbit does.

    Mitchell Raemsch

    Sylvia.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 06:19:55 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 11:46:15 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 7:01:11 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    The ususal word salad, confused, moron gibberish.

    Stars that were in stable orbits for billions of years
    Stars are not generally in orbit around anything other than the galaxy,
    moron.

    Then how could they as BH collide with another in their future jim?
    What about binary or more system required for BHs to collide?
    If they started in stable orbit for billions of years ago they
    would not leave it.


    Yet more word salad, babbling, incoherent moron gibberish.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 10:03:55 2023
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.

    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 12:32:43 2023
    On 9/2/2023 9:01 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the >>>> long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    Sylvia? How can everything have always been in unstable orbit?
    Everything in the universe would have already collided.
    Why haven't more thing collided by all these unstable orbits?

    That's really stupid, Roy, even for you. If it takes 15 billion years
    for two stars in an unstable orbit to collide but the universe is less
    than 14 billion years old, the stars couldn't have collided yet and are
    still in their unstable orbit.



    If stars were not stable they would have collided billions of years ago
    That rather depends on how long it takes, and how far apart the stars
    were in the first place, doesn't it? If some stars had already collided
    because they started out not so far apart, would you know?

    But if you supposedly don't know it can't be used as a argument sylvia.

    No, we just wouldn't know it. But we could know that other stars will
    collide (but haven't yet) if we get clear enough observations and data
    about their unstable orbits.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?

    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.

    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    No. The Moon ellipse orbit is expanding.in size.

    Because of tidal drag. Can't you read what Sylvia wrote??

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Volney on Sat Sep 2 10:44:56 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:32:50 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 9:01 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the >>>> long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    Sylvia? How can everything have always been in unstable orbit?
    Everything in the universe would have already collided.
    Why haven't more thing collided by all these unstable orbits?
    That's really stupid, Roy, even for you. If it takes 15 billion years
    for two stars in an unstable orbit to collide but the universe is less
    than 14 billion years old, the stars couldn't have collided yet and are still in their unstable orbit.

    Where is your evidence that all stars have collided or
    are going to collide?
    What is the difference between stars that will and
    stars that.
    Evidence only shows star stable orbits.




    If stars were not stable they would have collided billions of years ago >> That rather depends on how long it takes, and how far apart the stars
    were in the first place, doesn't it? If some stars had already collided >> because they started out not so far apart, would you know?

    But if you supposedly don't know it can't be used as a argument sylvia.
    No, we just wouldn't know it. But we could know that other stars will collide (but haven't yet) if we get clear enough observations and data
    about their unstable orbits.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?

    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.

    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    No. The Moon ellipse orbit is expanding.in size.
    Because of tidal drag. Can't you read what Sylvia wrote??
    No. Its repeating same ellipse is expanding.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Sat Sep 2 10:31:53 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

    Orbits are repeating stable ellipses more than anything.
    And they are never spirals.

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Volney@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 16:43:30 2023
    On 9/2/2023 1:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:32:50 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 9:01 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>>>> On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the >>>>>> long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    Sylvia? How can everything have always been in unstable orbit?
    Everything in the universe would have already collided.
    Why haven't more thing collided by all these unstable orbits?
    That's really stupid, Roy, even for you. If it takes 15 billion years
    for two stars in an unstable orbit to collide but the universe is less
    than 14 billion years old, the stars couldn't have collided yet and are
    still in their unstable orbit.

    Where is your evidence that all stars have collided or
    are going to collide?

    When did I say *all* stars will or have collided, Roy Masters Jr.?

    What is the difference between stars that will and
    stars that.

    Stars that what, Roy?

    Evidence only shows star stable orbits.

    Nope. Several pulsars are known to be in unstable orbit.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?

    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.

    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    No. The Moon ellipse orbit is expanding.in size.

    Because of tidal drag. Can't you read what Sylvia wrote??

    No. Its repeating same ellipse is expanding.

    Which is technically an unstable orbit.
    I do believe it is believed the moon's orbit will stabilize once the
    earth becomes tidally locked to the moon.

    Anyway, if the ellipse is expanding, it's not repeating the same
    ellipse, is it.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Volney on Sat Sep 2 17:43:43 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:43:35 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 1:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:32:50 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 9:01 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: >>>> On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the
    long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    Sylvia? How can everything have always been in unstable orbit?
    Everything in the universe would have already collided.
    Why haven't more thing collided by all these unstable orbits?
    That's really stupid, Roy, even for you. If it takes 15 billion years
    for two stars in an unstable orbit to collide but the universe is less
    than 14 billion years old, the stars couldn't have collided yet and are >> still in their unstable orbit.

    Where is your evidence that all stars have collided or
    are going to collide?
    When did I say *all* stars will or have collided, Roy Masters Jr.?
    If all orbits have to be unstable that is the destiny.
    But there is no evidence for it. There is just an assumption
    that stars that were in stable orbit could become unstable.
    And that would never happen.

    What is the difference between stars that will and
    stars that.
    Stars that what, Roy?
    Evidence only shows star stable orbits.
    Nope. Several pulsars are known to be in unstable orbit.

    Then they should have collided before they were pulsars.
    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?

    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than >>>>>> gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.

    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    No. The Moon ellipse orbit is expanding.in size.

    Because of tidal drag. Can't you read what Sylvia wrote??

    No. Its repeating same ellipse is expanding.
    Which is technically an unstable orbit.

    No. It's ellipse is getting larger.
    Just like galaxies grow in cosmology.
    Their star orbits continue to expand.

    I do believe it is believed the moon's orbit will stabilize once the
    earth becomes tidally locked to the moon.

    It has always been tidally locked. It formed that way.

    Anyway, if the ellipse is expanding, it's not repeating the same
    ellipse, is it.
    Yes a same geometry can expand.

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 19:22:43 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 1:43:35 PM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 1:44 PM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:32:50 AM UTC-7, Volney wrote:
    On 9/2/2023 9:01 AM, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 5:40:42 AM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote: >> >>>> On 02-Sept-23 10:17 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 10:22:16 PM UTC-7, Sylvia Else wrote:
    On 01-Sept-23 2:10 pm, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.
    What makes you think their orbits were ever stable? No orbit is in the
    long term, because of the energy being emitted in the form of
    gravitational waves.

    Sylvia? How can everything have always been in unstable orbit?
    Everything in the universe would have already collided.
    Why haven't more thing collided by all these unstable orbits?
    That's really stupid, Roy, even for you. If it takes 15 billion years
    for two stars in an unstable orbit to collide but the universe is less
    than 14 billion years old, the stars couldn't have collided yet and are >> >> still in their unstable orbit.

    Where is your evidence that all stars have collided or
    are going to collide?
    When did I say *all* stars will or have collided, Roy Masters Jr.?
    If all orbits have to be unstable that is the destiny.
    But there is no evidence for it. There is just an assumption
    that stars that were in stable orbit could become unstable.
    And that would never happen.

    What a blazingly stupid moron you are.

    Nothing you said has anything to do with reality or anything anyone
    said.



    What is the difference between stars that will and
    stars that.
    Stars that what, Roy?
    Evidence only shows star stable orbits.
    Nope. Several pulsars are known to be in unstable orbit.

    Then they should have collided before they were pulsars.

    Why is that moron?


    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?

    It is experiencing tidal drag, which is a much larger effect than
    gravitational wave emission.

    No. It's orbit ellipse is expanding.

    Yes, due to tidal drag.

    No. The Moon ellipse orbit is expanding.in size.

    Because of tidal drag. Can't you read what Sylvia wrote??

    No. Its repeating same ellipse is expanding.
    Which is technically an unstable orbit.

    No. It's ellipse is getting larger.
    Just like galaxies grow in cosmology.
    Their star orbits continue to expand.

    Babbling nonsense, but what else would one expect from a moron.


    I do believe it is believed the moon's orbit will stabilize once the
    earth becomes tidally locked to the moon.

    It has always been tidally locked. It formed that way.

    No, moron.


    Anyway, if the ellipse is expanding, it's not repeating the same
    ellipse, is it.
    Yes a same geometry can expand.

    Gibberish, like most everything you post.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 3 13:16:08 2023
    On 03-Sept-23 10:43 am, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:

    It has always been tidally locked. It formed that way.

    It's not even in complete tidal lock now, because it's librating. It
    doesn't seem likely that it has been librating since its creation. More
    likely, it was originally rotating fast enough for it to make complete revolutions as seen from the Earth, and tidal drag slowed its rotation
    until it start librating instead. Tidal drag will continue to slow that process.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Paul Alsing@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 2 22:05:53 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:31:56 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

    Orbits are repeating stable ellipses more than anything.
    And they are never spirals.

    And your evidence for this claim is what, Mitch?

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Paul Alsing on Sun Sep 3 09:03:16 2023
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:05:57 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:31:56 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

    Orbits are repeating stable ellipses more than anything.
    And they are never spirals.
    And your evidence for this claim is what, Mitch?

    Has the Earth's orbit changed?
    What about any planet paul?
    Where is their spiral?

    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 3 09:21:27 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:05:57 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:31:56 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: >> > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

    Orbits are repeating stable ellipses more than anything.
    And they are never spirals.
    And your evidence for this claim is what, Mitch?

    Has the Earth's orbit changed?
    What about any planet paul?
    Where is their spiral?

    Yet more irrelevant, moronic babble.

    Your sure are stupid.

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  • From mitchrae3323@gmail.com@21:1/5 to Jim Pennino on Sun Sep 3 09:56:14 2023
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:31:10 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:05:57 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:31:56 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

    Orbits are repeating stable ellipses more than anything.
    And they are never spirals.
    And your evidence for this claim is what, Mitch?

    Has the Earth's orbit changed?
    What about any planet paul?
    Where is their spiral?

    If supermassive stars are spiraling in
    how did they stay in their stable orbits
    for 10s of billions of years for their
    lifes? No. There is no reason to go
    from stable orbital life time to a
    spiral in. What could change that?


    Mitchell Raemsch

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  • From Jim Pennino@21:1/5 to mitchr...@gmail.com on Sun Sep 3 10:28:56 2023
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchrae3323@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, September 3, 2023 at 9:31:10 AM UTC-7, Jim Pennino wrote:
    mitchr...@gmail.com <mitchr...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:05:57 PM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote: >> >> On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:31:56 AM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 10:03:59 AM UTC-7, Paul Alsing wrote:
    On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 9:10:05 PM UTC-7, mitchr...@gmail.com wrote:
    they would not spiral inward at any point after.
    They would stay in their original
    stable orbits. They have no reason
    to collide.

    The same with orbiting neutron stars.
    If they were stars in stable orbit.
    They have no reason to collide.

    Why is the Moon doing the opposite
    getting further away?
    Galaxies growing shows their star orbits
    are expanding. No inward spiraling
    is happening for all stable orbits.
    https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/full_html/2019/01/aa33485-18/aa33485-18.html#:~:text=The%20majority%20of%20the%20blue,(Collier%20%26%20Jenkins%201984).

    Scroll down to #4

    Orbits are repeating stable ellipses more than anything.
    And they are never spirals.
    And your evidence for this claim is what, Mitch?

    Has the Earth's orbit changed?
    What about any planet paul?
    Where is their spiral?

    If supermassive stars are spiraling in
    how did they stay in their stable orbits
    for 10s of billions of years for their
    lifes? No. There is no reason to go
    from stable orbital life time to a
    spiral in. What could change that?

    Nobody said anything about "supermassive stars" moron.

    Nobody said any stars are "spiraling in" moron.

    Nobody said any star is in any stable orbit moron.

    The stars of the galaxy orbit the center of mass of the galaxy moron.

    While there is a super massive black hole at the center of the galaxy,
    it could go away and the only orbits that would be effected are the
    stars that are very close to the center because it's mass is trivial
    when compared to the mass of the galaxy moron.

    In terms of galaxy years, i.e. the time it takes the galaxy to do one
    rotation, the galaxy is only about 20 galaxy years old moron.

    What the galaxy as a whole is doing has nothing to do with what the
    Earth and Moon are doing moron.

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