Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 12:53 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote: >>>>>>>>> Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativityI would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird... >>>>>>>>> but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer >>>>>>>>> skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an >>>>>>>>> idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated. >>>>>>>>>
has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely >>>>>>>>>> overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message >>>>>>>>>> Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks >>>>>>>>>> messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so >>>>>>>>>> it marks
messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters >>>>>>>>>> picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
Tom Roberts
\Paul Alsing
Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it.
I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 >>>>>>>> according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make >>>>>>>> read-only
the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was. >>>>>>>>
Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
and
special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you >>>>>>>> know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks >>>>>>>>
So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then >>>>>>>> while sort
of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations >>>>>>>> widespread,
how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging >>>>>>>> destinations
on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, >>>>>>>> "NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and >>>>>>>> also for
email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the >>>>>>>> expectation that
there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude >>>>>>>> it in simple terms.
NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the >>>>>>>> transport layer.)
Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the >>>>>>>> Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that >>>>>>>> surfaces
"news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based >>>>>>>> protocol.
Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw >>>>>>>>
One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was >>>>>>> like,
you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood, >>>>>>> and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their
posting-account,
and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.
At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the >>>>>>> posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the
posting-accounts
of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending >>>>>>> them up.
Let me see your little script. Post it here.
Here is a list I currently have:
salz.txt
usenet.death.penalty.gz
purify.txt
NewsAgent110-MS.exe
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
NewsAgent111-BE.zip
SuperCede.exe
NewsAgent023.exe
NewsAgent025.exe
ActiveAgent.java
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
NewsCancel.java (source code)
(plus updated python versions)
(Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
Show me what you got. walk the walk.
I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet,
there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts
of computer intrusion.
With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake.
(How's your new deal going?
Great, we got a million users.
Why are my conversions around zero?
Your ad must not speak to them.
Would it help if I spiced it up?
Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
"no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
As far as search goes, there's something to be said
for a new sort of approach to search, given that
Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_. It's
just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
results_, you figure they're just one.
So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort
of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality
works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections
of works, what results searchable fragments of various
larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
these kinds of things.
It's like "why are they building that new data center",
and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
that data center is a million virts and each one has a
browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
"Wow, great, do they get a cut?" "Don't be talking about my cut."
Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
"Artificial Intelligence?" "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."
I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe
I seem to be missing version 2.0
Do you have the 2.0 version?
I'll trade you.
I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)
let's trade!
don't bogart
I seem to be missing this version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
Do you have it? you must have!
Nope, I just wrote a little script to connect to NNTP
with a Yes/No button on the subject, tapped through
those, and a little script to send an HTTP request to
the publicly-facing return-to-sender in-box, for each.
Here's all the sources you need: IETF RFC editor.
Look for "NNTP". How to advise Google of this is
that each domain on the Internet is supposed to
have an "abuse@domain" email inbox, though there's
probably also a web request interface, as with regards
to publicly facing services, and expected to be
good actors on the network.
Anyways if you read through "Meta: a usenet server
just for sci.math", what I have in mind is a sort
of author's and writer's oriented installation,
basically making for vanity printouts and generating
hypertext collections of contents and authors and
subjects and these kinds of things, basically for
on the order of "find all the postings of Archimedes
Plutonium, and, the threads they are in, and,
make a hypertext page of all that, a linear timeline,
and also thread it out as a linear sequence".
I.e. people who actually post to Usenet are sometimes
having written interesting things, and, thus having
it so that it would be simplified to generate message-ID
listings and their corresponding standard URL's in the
standard IETF "news" URL protocol, and to point that
at a given news server or like XLink, is for treating
Usenet its archives like a living museum of all these
different authors posts and their interactions together.
I.e., here it's "belles lettres" and "fair use",
not just "belles" and "use".
It seemed nice of Google Groups to front this for a long time,
now they're quitting.
I imagine Internet Relay Chat's still insane, though.
Anyways I stay away from any warez and am proud that
since about Y2K at least I've never bootlegged anything,
and never uploaded a bootleg. Don't want to give old Shylock
excuses, and besides, I wrote software for a living.
Anyways, I don't know who was talking about "any warez" or "bootlegs",
since I was refering to programs and scripts that reads:
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well. "
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v2.0) is FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute it at will, as long as you give credit to the original
author. Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
You seem to be too much 'in your head', on a high horse...
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well. "
So, show me that wicked script you wrote : "funnel all their
message-ID's"
by people you call spammers who 'funnel' their products and services
through Usenet newsgroups.
You are sooooo wicked.
and a nanofossils
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 12:53 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativityI would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird...
has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely >>>>>>>>>> overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message >>>>>>>>>> Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks >>>>>>>>>> messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so
it marks
messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters
picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
Tom Roberts
but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer
skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an >>>>>>>>> idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
\Paul Alsing
Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it. >>>>>>>>
I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam.
It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 >>>>>>>> according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make >>>>>>>> read-only
the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was. >>>>>>>>
Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
and
special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks >>>>>>>>
So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then >>>>>>>> while sort
of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations >>>>>>>> widespread,
how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging >>>>>>>> destinations
on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of, >>>>>>>> "NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and >>>>>>>> also for
email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the >>>>>>>> expectation that
there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude
it in simple terms.
NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the >>>>>>>> transport layer.)
Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the
Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that >>>>>>>> surfaces
"news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based
protocol.
Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw >>>>>>>>
One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was
like,
you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood, >>>>>>> and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their >>>>>>> posting-account,
and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.
At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the >>>>>>> posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the >>>>>>> posting-accounts
of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending
them up.
Let me see your little script. Post it here.
Here is a list I currently have:
salz.txt
usenet.death.penalty.gz
purify.txt
NewsAgent110-MS.exe
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
NewsAgent111-BE.zip
SuperCede.exe
NewsAgent023.exe
NewsAgent025.exe
ActiveAgent.java
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
NewsCancel.java (source code)
(plus updated python versions)
(Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
Show me what you got. walk the walk.
I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet,
there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts
of computer intrusion.
With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake. >>>>
(How's your new deal going?
Great, we got a million users.
Why are my conversions around zero?
Your ad must not speak to them.
Would it help if I spiced it up?
Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
"no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
As far as search goes, there's something to be said
for a new sort of approach to search, given that
Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_. It's
just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
results_, you figure they're just one.
So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort
of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality
works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections
of works, what results searchable fragments of various
larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
these kinds of things.
It's like "why are they building that new data center",
and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
that data center is a million virts and each one has a
browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
"Wow, great, do they get a cut?" "Don't be talking about my cut." >>>
Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
"Artificial Intelligence?" "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."
I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe
I seem to be missing version 2.0
Do you have the 2.0 version?
I'll trade you.
I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)
let's trade!
don't bogart
I seem to be missing this version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
Do you have it? you must have!
Nope, I just wrote a little script to connect to NNTP
with a Yes/No button on the subject, tapped through
those, and a little script to send an HTTP request to
the publicly-facing return-to-sender in-box, for each.
Here's all the sources you need: IETF RFC editor.
Look for "NNTP". How to advise Google of this is
that each domain on the Internet is supposed to
have an "abuse@domain" email inbox, though there's
probably also a web request interface, as with regards
to publicly facing services, and expected to be
good actors on the network.
Anyways if you read through "Meta: a usenet server
just for sci.math", what I have in mind is a sort
of author's and writer's oriented installation,
basically making for vanity printouts and generating
hypertext collections of contents and authors and
subjects and these kinds of things, basically for
on the order of "find all the postings of Archimedes
Plutonium, and, the threads they are in, and,
make a hypertext page of all that, a linear timeline,
and also thread it out as a linear sequence".
I.e. people who actually post to Usenet are sometimes
having written interesting things, and, thus having
it so that it would be simplified to generate message-ID
listings and their corresponding standard URL's in the
standard IETF "news" URL protocol, and to point that
at a given news server or like XLink, is for treating
Usenet its archives like a living museum of all these
different authors posts and their interactions together.
I.e., here it's "belles lettres" and "fair use",
not just "belles" and "use".
It seemed nice of Google Groups to front this for a long time,
now they're quitting.
I imagine Internet Relay Chat's still insane, though.
Anyways I stay away from any warez and am proud that
since about Y2K at least I've never bootlegged anything,
and never uploaded a bootleg. Don't want to give old Shylock
excuses, and besides, I wrote software for a living.
Anyways, I don't know who was talking about "any warez" or "bootlegs", since I was refering to programs and scripts that reads:
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well. "
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v2.0) is FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute it at will, as long as you give credit to the original
author. Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
You seem to be too much 'in your head', on a high horse...
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well. "
So, show me that wicked script you wrote : "funnel all their
message-ID's"
by people you call spammers who 'funnel' their products and services through Usenet newsgroups.
You are sooooo wicked.
and a nanofossils
Anyways, there is only one person that know what 'nanofossils' means,
and that is Ross Finlayson.
I just realized that Ross Finlayson doesn't know of NEWSAGENT.
Anyways, ...
"Anyways"???? Who talks like that?
Anyways..
the problem of the 'flooding' is not the spammers, it's the 'scientific community'. They caused the problem.
They removed the feature that NewsAgent used to get rid of ALL flooding
and spammers. But, but, the
members of the scientific community could not trust their own members to
use it against them.
If one member of the 'scientific community' disagreed with another
member of the 'scientific community'...they were removed!
Too much power.
I called it...God Mode.
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 12:53 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativityI would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird...
has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely >>>>>>>>>> overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message
Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks
messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so
it marks
messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters
picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
Tom Roberts
but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer
skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an >>>>>>>>> idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
\Paul Alsing
Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it. >>>>>>>>
I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam. >>>>>>>>
It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22 >>>>>>>> according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make
read-only
the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was. >>>>>>>>
Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
and
special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks >>>>>>>>
So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then >>>>>>>> while sort
of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations >>>>>>>> widespread,
how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging >>>>>>>> destinations
on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of,
"NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and
also for
email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the >>>>>>>> expectation that
there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude
it in simple terms.
NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the >>>>>>>> transport layer.)
Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the
Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that
surfaces
"news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based
protocol.
Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care. >>>>>>>>
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was
like,
you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their >>>>>>> posting-account,
and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.
At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the >>>>>>> posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the >>>>>>> posting-accounts
of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending
them up.
Let me see your little script. Post it here.
Here is a list I currently have:
salz.txt
usenet.death.penalty.gz
purify.txt
NewsAgent110-MS.exe
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
NewsAgent111-BE.zip
SuperCede.exe
NewsAgent023.exe
NewsAgent025.exe
ActiveAgent.java
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
NewsCancel.java (source code)
(plus updated python versions)
(Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
Show me what you got. walk the walk.
I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet,
there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts >>>> of computer intrusion.
With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake. >>>>
(How's your new deal going?
Great, we got a million users.
Why are my conversions around zero?
Your ad must not speak to them.
Would it help if I spiced it up?
Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
"no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
As far as search goes, there's something to be said
for a new sort of approach to search, given that
Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_. It's
just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
results_, you figure they're just one.
So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort >>>> of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality
works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections >>>> of works, what results searchable fragments of various
larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
these kinds of things.
It's like "why are they building that new data center",
and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
that data center is a million virts and each one has a
browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
"Wow, great, do they get a cut?" "Don't be talking about my cut." >>>
Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
"Artificial Intelligence?" "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."
I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe
I seem to be missing version 2.0
Do you have the 2.0 version?
I'll trade you.
I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)
let's trade!
don't bogart
I seem to be missing this version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
Do you have it? you must have!
Nope, I just wrote a little script to connect to NNTP
with a Yes/No button on the subject, tapped through
those, and a little script to send an HTTP request to
the publicly-facing return-to-sender in-box, for each.
Here's all the sources you need: IETF RFC editor.
Look for "NNTP". How to advise Google of this is
that each domain on the Internet is supposed to
have an "abuse@domain" email inbox, though there's
probably also a web request interface, as with regards
to publicly facing services, and expected to be
good actors on the network.
Anyways if you read through "Meta: a usenet server
just for sci.math", what I have in mind is a sort
of author's and writer's oriented installation,
basically making for vanity printouts and generating
hypertext collections of contents and authors and
subjects and these kinds of things, basically for
on the order of "find all the postings of Archimedes
Plutonium, and, the threads they are in, and,
make a hypertext page of all that, a linear timeline,
and also thread it out as a linear sequence".
I.e. people who actually post to Usenet are sometimes
having written interesting things, and, thus having
it so that it would be simplified to generate message-ID
listings and their corresponding standard URL's in the
standard IETF "news" URL protocol, and to point that
at a given news server or like XLink, is for treating
Usenet its archives like a living museum of all these
different authors posts and their interactions together.
I.e., here it's "belles lettres" and "fair use",
not just "belles" and "use".
It seemed nice of Google Groups to front this for a long time,
now they're quitting.
I imagine Internet Relay Chat's still insane, though.
Anyways I stay away from any warez and am proud that
since about Y2K at least I've never bootlegged anything,
and never uploaded a bootleg. Don't want to give old Shylock
excuses, and besides, I wrote software for a living.
Anyways, I don't know who was talking about "any warez" or "bootlegs", since I was refering to programs and scripts that reads:
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well. "
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v2.0) is FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute it at will, as long as you give credit to the original author. Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
You seem to be too much 'in your head', on a high horse...
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well. "
So, show me that wicked script you wrote : "funnel all their message-ID's"
by people you call spammers who 'funnel' their products and services through Usenet newsgroups.
You are sooooo wicked.
and a nanofossils
Anyways, there is only one person that know what 'nanofossils' means,
and that is Ross Finlayson.
I just realized that Ross Finlayson doesn't know of NEWSAGENT.
Anyways, ...
"Anyways"???? Who talks like that?
Anyways..
the problem of the 'flooding' is not the spammers, it's the 'scientific community'. They caused the problem.
They removed the feature that NewsAgent used to get rid of ALL flooding
and spammers. But, but, the
members of the scientific community could not trust their own members to use it against them.
If one member of the 'scientific community' disagreed with another
member of the 'scientific community'...they were removed!
Too much power.
I called it...God Mode.
Using NewsAgent in God Mode was great! Ecept...if you didn't know how to use it
properly you can make a mistake and remove *EVERYONE'S* posts by accident.
Everyone just completely disapeared!
Oops. i made a booboo.
Like that Twilight Zone episode where everyone disapears by a click of a watch.
Where is everybody? MAJOR KILLFILE!
So, which is worse?
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 12:53 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/04/2024 09:55 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 02/03/2024 02:46 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
The Starmaker wrote:
Ross Finlayson wrote:
On 01/30/2024 12:54 PM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 5:02:05 PM UTC-8, palsing wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
I use Thunderbird to read Usenet. Recently sci.physics.relativityI would like to do the same thing, so I installed Thunderbird...
has
been getting hundreds of spam posts each day, completely >>>>>>>>>> overwhelming
legitimate content. These spam posts share the property that they
are
written in a non-latin script.
Thunderbird implements message filters that can mark a message
Read. So
I created a filter to run on sci.physics.relativity that marks
messages
Read. Then when reading the newsgroups, I simply display only unread
messages. The key to making this work is to craft the filter so
it marks
messages in which the Subject matches any of a dozen characters
picked
from some spam messages.
This doesn't completely eliminate the spam, but it is now only a few
messages per day.
Tom Roberts
but setting it up to read newsgroups is beyond my paltry computer
skills and is not at all intuitive. If anyone can point to an
idiot-proof tutorial for doing this It would be much appreciated.
\Paul Alsing
Yeah, it's pretty bad, or, worse anybody's ever seen it. >>>>>>>>
I as well sort of mow the lawn a bit or mark the spam. >>>>>>>>
It seems alright if it'll be a sort of clean break: on Feb 22
according to Google,
Google will break its compeerage to Usenet, and furthermore make
read-only
the archives, what it has, what until then, will be as it was.
Over on sci.math I've had the idea for a while of making some brief
and
special purpose Usenet compeers, for only some few groups, or, you
know, the _belles lettres_ of the text hierarchy.
"Meta: a usenet server just for sci.math"
-- https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks >>>>>>>>
So, there you can read the outlook of this kind of thing, then
while sort
of simple as the protocol is simple and its implementations >>>>>>>> widespread,
how to deal with the "signal and noise" of "exposed messaging
destinations
on the Internet", well on that thread I'm theorizing a sort of,
"NOOBNB protocol",
figuring to make an otherwise just standard Usenet compeer, and
also for
email or messaging destinations, sort of designed with the >>>>>>>> expectation that
there will be spam, and spam and ham are hand in hand, to exclude
it in simple terms.
NOOBNB: New Old Off Bot Non Bad, Curated/Purgatory/Raw triple-feed
(That and a firmer sort of "Load Shed" or "Load Hold" at the >>>>>>>> transport layer.)
Also it would be real great if at least there was surfaced to the
Internet a
read-only view of any message by its message ID, a "URL", or as for
a "URI",
a "URN", a reliable perma-link in the IETF "news" protocol, namespace.
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.math/c/zggff_pVEks
I wonder that there's a reliable sort of long-term project that
surfaces
"news" protocol message-IDs, .... It's a stable, standards-based
protocol.
Thunderbird, "SLRN", .... Thanks for caring. We care. >>>>>>>>
https://groups.google.com/g/sci.physics.relativity/c/ToBo6XOymUw
One fellow reached me via e-mail and he said, hey, the Googler spam is
outrageous, can we do anything about it? Would you write a script to
funnel all their message-ID's into the abuse reporting? And I was
like,
you know, about 2008 I did just that, there was a big spam flood,
and I wrote a little script to find them and extract their >>>>>>> posting-account,
and the message-ID, and a little script to post to the posting-host,
each one of the wicked spams.
At the time that seemed to help, they sort of dried up, here there's
that basically they're not following the charter, but, it's the
posting-account
in the message headers that indicate the origin of the post, not the
email address. So, I wonder, given that I can extract the >>>>>>> posting-accounts
of all the spams, how to match the posting-account to then determine
whether it's a sockpuppet-farm or what, and basically about sending
them up.
Let me see your little script. Post it here.
Here is a list I currently have:
salz.txt
usenet.death.penalty.gz
purify.txt
NewsAgent110-MS.exe
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_11).htm
NewsAgent111-BE.zip
SuperCede.exe
NewsAgent023.exe
NewsAgent025.exe
ActiveAgent.java
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v1_02)_files
NewsCancel.java (source code)
(plus updated python versions)
(Maybe your script is inthere somewhere?)
Show me what you got. walk the walk.
I try to avoid sketchy things like hiring a criminal botnet, >>>> there's the impression that that's looking at 1000's of counts >>>> of computer intrusion.
With those being something about $50K and 10-25 apiece,
there's a pretty significant deterrence to such activities.
I've never much cared for "OAuth", giving away the
keys-to-the-kingdom and all, here it looks like either
a) a bunch of duped browsers clicked away their identities,
or b) it's really that Google and Facebook are more than
half full of fake identities for the sole purpose of being fake. >>>>
(How's your new deal going?
Great, we got a million users.
Why are my conversions around zero?
Your ad must not speak to them.
Would it help if I spiced it up?
Don't backtalk me, I'll put you on a list!)
So, it seems mostly a sort of "spam-walling the Internet",
where it was like "we're going to reinvent the Internet",
"no, you aren't", "all right then we'll ruin this one".
As far as search goes, there's something to be said
for a new sort of approach to search, given that
Google, Bing, Duck, ..., _all make the same results_. It's
just so highly unlikely that they'd _all make the same
results_, you figure they're just one.
So, the idea, for somebody like me who's mostly interested
in writing on the Internet, is that lots of that is of the sort >>>> of "works" vis-a-vis, the "feuilleton" or what you might
call it, ephemeral junk, that I just learned about in
Herman Hesse's "The Glass Bead Game".
Then, there's an idea, that basically to surface high-quality >>>> works to a search, is that there's what's called metadata,
for content like HTML, with regards to Dublin Core and
RDF and so on, about a sort of making for fungible collections >>>> of works, what results searchable fragments of various
larger bodies of works, according to their robots.txt and
their summaries and with regards to crawling the content
and so on, then to make federated common search corpi,
these kinds of things.
It's like "why are they building that new data center",
and it's like "well it's like Artificial Intelligence, inside
that data center is a million virts and each one has a
browser emulator and a phone app sandbox and a
little notecard that prompts its name, basically it's
a million-headed hydra called a sims-bot-farm,
that for pennies on the dollar is an instant audience."
"Wow, great, do they get a cut?" "Don't be talking about my cut."
Usenet traffic had been up recently, ....
I think they used to call it "astro-turfing".
"Artificial Intelligence?" "No, 'Fake eyeballs'."
I have NewsAgent111-MS.exe
I seem to be missing version 2.0
Do you have the 2.0 version?
I'll trade you.
I'll give you my python version with (GUI)!!!! (Tinter)
let's trade!
don't bogart
I seem to be missing this version:
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
Do you have it? you must have!
Nope, I just wrote a little script to connect to NNTP
with a Yes/No button on the subject, tapped through
those, and a little script to send an HTTP request to
the publicly-facing return-to-sender in-box, for each.
Here's all the sources you need: IETF RFC editor.
Look for "NNTP". How to advise Google of this is
that each domain on the Internet is supposed to
have an "abuse@domain" email inbox, though there's
probably also a web request interface, as with regards
to publicly facing services, and expected to be
good actors on the network.
Anyways if you read through "Meta: a usenet server
just for sci.math", what I have in mind is a sort
of author's and writer's oriented installation,
basically making for vanity printouts and generating
hypertext collections of contents and authors and
subjects and these kinds of things, basically for
on the order of "find all the postings of Archimedes
Plutonium, and, the threads they are in, and,
make a hypertext page of all that, a linear timeline,
and also thread it out as a linear sequence".
I.e. people who actually post to Usenet are sometimes
having written interesting things, and, thus having
it so that it would be simplified to generate message-ID
listings and their corresponding standard URL's in the
standard IETF "news" URL protocol, and to point that
at a given news server or like XLink, is for treating
Usenet its archives like a living museum of all these
different authors posts and their interactions together.
I.e., here it's "belles lettres" and "fair use",
not just "belles" and "use".
It seemed nice of Google Groups to front this for a long time,
now they're quitting.
I imagine Internet Relay Chat's still insane, though.
Anyways I stay away from any warez and am proud that
since about Y2K at least I've never bootlegged anything,
and never uploaded a bootleg. Don't want to give old Shylock excuses, and besides, I wrote software for a living.
Anyways, I don't know who was talking about "any warez" or "bootlegs", since I was refering to programs and scripts that reads:
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed
freely as well. "
HipCrime's NewsAgent (v2.0) is FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute it at will, as long as you give credit to the original author. Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed freely as well.
https://web.archive.org/web/20051023050609/http://newsagent.p5.org.uk/
You seem to be too much 'in your head', on a high horse...
"FREE, which means you can copy it and redistribute"
"Similarly, the source is provided as reference and can be redistributed
freely as well. "
So, show me that wicked script you wrote : "funnel all their message-ID's"
by people you call spammers who 'funnel' their products and services through Usenet newsgroups.
You are sooooo wicked.
and a nanofossils
Anyways, there is only one person that know what 'nanofossils' means,
and that is Ross Finlayson.
I just realized that Ross Finlayson doesn't know of NEWSAGENT.
Anyways, ...
"Anyways"???? Who talks like that?
Anyways..
the problem of the 'flooding' is not the spammers, it's the 'scientific community'. They caused the problem.
They removed the feature that NewsAgent used to get rid of ALL flooding and spammers. But, but, the
members of the scientific community could not trust their own members to use it against them.
If one member of the 'scientific community' disagreed with another
member of the 'scientific community'...they were removed!
Too much power.
I called it...God Mode.
Using NewsAgent in God Mode was great! Ecept...if you didn't know how to use it
properly you can make a mistake and remove *EVERYONE'S* posts by accident.
Everyone just completely disapeared!
Oops. i made a booboo.
Like that Twilight Zone episode where everyone disapears by a click of a watch.
Where is everybody? MAJOR KILLFILE!
So, which is worse?
You know what GOD MODE Killfile is? That means you not only killed filed everyone, but you also sort of
turn everyones esles killfile on. Nobody sees nobody.
It's like the Atomic Bomb of Usenet!
(only yous guys make bombs like that)
(then yous get angry when everyone has the atomic bomb)
typical.
So, where do you people get the idea AFTER Feb 22, the flooding will
stop???
Are yous saying it's all coming from Google Groups source website???
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