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  • Honoring Raymond Smullyan

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jan 8 01:14:40 2025
    Hi,

    Now you can listen to Bird songs for a minute:

    2016 Dana Scott gave a talk honoring Raymond Smullyan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omz6SbUpFQ8

    A little quiz:

    Q: And also on the Curry-Howard Isomorphism. Is
    there a nice way to put it in bird-forest form like To
    Mock a Mocking Bird. This book made everything so
    simple and intuitive for me.

    A: Hardly, because xx has no simple type.

    Right?

    Bye

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Thu Jan 9 00:18:51 2025
    Hi,

    More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01:

    What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead
    Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023
    https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs

    So its not a very new technique now appearing in
    generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots
    are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the

    used source documents in their answer. The MSE end
    user can still edit a citation by hand to conform
    more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue.

    Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat
    bot for sources, which he will get most of the time.
    Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and

    discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore
    this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual
    world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the

    actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue
    I see is that in certain countries and educational
    institutions, it might the case that working with a

    chat bot is something that the students learn,
    yet they are not officially allowed to use it on
    MSE, because MSE policies are based on outdated

    views about generative AI.

    See also:

    (*) RETRO Project:

    Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens
    Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Now you can listen to Bird songs for a minute:

    2016 Dana Scott gave a talk honoring Raymond Smullyan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omz6SbUpFQ8

    A little quiz:

    Q: And also on the Curry-Howard Isomorphism. Is
    there a nice way to put it in bird-forest form like To
    Mock a Mocking Bird. This book made everything so
    simple and intuitive for me.

    A: Hardly, because xx has no simple type.

    Right?

    Bye

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Fri Jan 10 11:18:20 2025
    Hi,

    Prologers with their pipe dream of Ontologies
    with Axioms are most hurt by LLMs that work
    more on the basis of Fuzzy Logic.

    Even good old "hardmath" is not immune to
    this coping mechanism:

    "I've cast one of my rare votes-to-delete. It is
    a self-answer to the OP's off-topic "question".
    Rather than improve the original post, the effort
    has been made to "promote" some so-called RETRO
    Project by linking YouTube and arxiv.org URLs.
    Not worth retaining IMHO.
    -- hardmath

    https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/a/38051/1482376

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    More details on RAG, see here RETRO Project (*) at t=12:01:

    What's wrong with LLMs and what we should be building instead
    Tom Dietterich - 10.07.2023
    https://youtu.be/cEyHsMzbZBs

    So its not a very new technique now appearing in
    generative AIs on the market as well. Some chat bots
    are even now able to sometimes show more clearly the

    used source documents in their answer. The MSE end
    user can still edit a citation by hand to conform
    more to the SEN format, if this would be the issue.

    Also the MSE end user can explicitly now ask a chat
    bot for sources, which he will get most of the time.
    Or he can give a chat bot a source for review and

    discussion. This works also. So there is not anymore
    this "remoteness" of an LLM to the actual virtual
    world of documents. Its more that they now inhabit the

    actual virtual world and interact with it. Another issue
    I see is that in certain countries and educational
    institutions, it might the case that working with a

    chat bot is something that the students learn,
    yet they are not officially allowed to use it on
    MSE, because MSE policies are based on outdated

    views about generative AI.

    See also:

    (*) RETRO Project:

    Improving language models by retrieving from trillions of tokens
    Sebastian Borgeaud et al. - 7 Feb 2022
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2112.04426

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Now you can listen to Bird songs for a minute:

    2016 Dana Scott gave a talk honoring Raymond Smullyan
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omz6SbUpFQ8

    A little quiz:

    Q: And also on the Curry-Howard Isomorphism. Is
    there a nice way to put it in bird-forest form like To
    Mock a Mocking Bird. This book made everything so
    simple and intuitive for me.

    A: Hardly, because xx has no simple type.

    Right?

    Bye


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