• I never post boring schooling (Was: How ELIZA 2.0 killed Wolfram Alpha)

    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Physfitfreak on Tue Feb 4 23:31:03 2025
    Hi,

    You wouldn't notic that I speak for myself
    always and ever. Just remove the links and
    you see its all text original by me.

    I always post geniun commentary to current
    events which are solely the product of my
    own mind. I do not intend to educate something.

    My intention is to document my current
    understanding and to generate now thinking.
    If you have expected some schooling, I am very

    sorry for you. I never post boring schooling.

    Bye

    ---------------- cut here -----------------

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    ---------------- cut here -----------------


    Physfitfreak schrieb:
    On 2/4/25 3:06 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Group Preference Optimization
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.11523

    DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Wait till USA figures out there is a second
    competitor besides DeepSeek, its called Yi-Lightning:

    Yi-Lightning Technical Report
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.01253

    It was already discussed 2 months ago:

    Eric Schmidt DROPS BOMBSHELL: China DOMINATES AI!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWuEUjo4u4

    Bye




    Throwing papers at us (i.e. in usenet) although better than nothing, it
    still is an extremely inefficient way to communicate.

    Speak, yourself, in the way that a first year undergraduate prof
    explains stuff to the students who just a few months earlier finished
    their high schooling.

    Then you will communicate.

    If it is too difficult to do that (cause requires deep understanding of
    the subject by yourself), or, if you don't get time doing all that, then break the job down into little pieces. A day at a time, or a week at a
    time.

    You'd be spending the same amount of time as you are now, and yet you
    will actually communicate something with those with physics background.

    Did I have to say this? I don't think so. But your intentions here are
    vague. But if you need support for your own gains in understanding the subject, you just have to do it the way I explained above. Then you will
    get that support. Not from Bozos and "engineers", but from me and
    anybody with actual physics background and such trainings.

    There are a few actual physicists in relativity group that can join in,
    but only if you do it the way I explained above.







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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Tue Feb 4 23:33:43 2025
    Hi,

    Typo: now -> new

    to generate now thinking

    Should read:

    to generate new thinking

    I shit and piss on some asslicking group
    that cannot think on his own. Thank god
    USENET has only rarely such group morons.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    You wouldn't notic that I speak for myself
    always and ever. Just remove the links and
    you see its all text original by me.

    I always post geniun commentary to current
    events which are solely the product of my
    own mind. I do not intend to educate something.

    My intention is to document my current
    understanding and to generate now thinking.
    If you have expected some schooling, I am very

    sorry for you. I never post boring schooling.

    Bye

    ---------------- cut here -----------------

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    ---------------- cut here -----------------


    Physfitfreak schrieb:
    On 2/4/25 3:06 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Group Preference Optimization
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.11523

    DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Wait till USA figures out there is a second
    competitor besides DeepSeek, its called Yi-Lightning:

    Yi-Lightning Technical Report
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.01253

    It was already discussed 2 months ago:

    Eric Schmidt DROPS BOMBSHELL: China DOMINATES AI!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWuEUjo4u4

    Bye




    Throwing papers at us (i.e. in usenet) although better than nothing,
    it still is an extremely inefficient way to communicate.

    Speak, yourself, in the way that a first year undergraduate prof
    explains stuff to the students who just a few months earlier finished
    their high schooling.

    Then you will communicate.

    If it is too difficult to do that (cause requires deep understanding
    of the subject by yourself), or, if you don't get time doing all that,
    then break the job down into little pieces. A day at a time, or a week
    at a time.

    You'd be spending the same amount of time as you are now, and yet you
    will actually communicate something with those with physics background.

    Did I have to say this? I don't think so. But your intentions here are
    vague. But if you need support for your own gains in understanding the
    subject, you just have to do it the way I explained above. Then you
    will get that support. Not from Bozos and "engineers", but from me and
    anybody with actual physics background and such trainings.

    There are a few actual physicists in relativity group that can join
    in, but only if you do it the way I explained above.

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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Tue Feb 4 23:44:42 2025
    Hi,

    The biggest group morons are those that
    dream that they can profit by relocating
    from their own group of people,

    to a group of american people, and then
    cry when their assets get frozen or who
    knows what happens. The papers I posted

    are about automatically tuning into groups:

    Group Preference Optimization
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.11523

    DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300

    Its actually quite amazing how machine
    learning can utilize group identification
    to customize how a conversational software

    agent interacts. Currently I think is a
    variant of fine tuning, but on a different
    model level that is called policy. The first

    paper has a figure with the following groups:

    - Hindu
    - Jewish
    - Liberal
    - Asian

    Have Fun!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Typo: now -> new

    to generate now thinking

    Should read:

    to generate new thinking

    I shit and piss on some asslicking group
    that cannot think on his own. Thank god
    USENET has only rarely such group morons.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    You wouldn't notic that I speak for myself
    always and ever. Just remove the links and
    you see its all text original by me.

    I always post geniun commentary to current
    events which are solely the product of my
    own mind. I do not intend to educate something.

    My intention is to document my current
    understanding and to generate now thinking.
    If you have expected some schooling, I am very

    sorry for you. I never post boring schooling.

    Bye

    ---------------- cut here -----------------

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    ---------------- cut here -----------------


    Physfitfreak schrieb:
    On 2/4/25 3:06 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Group Preference Optimization
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.11523

    DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Wait till USA figures out there is a second
    competitor besides DeepSeek, its called Yi-Lightning:

    Yi-Lightning Technical Report
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.01253

    It was already discussed 2 months ago:

    Eric Schmidt DROPS BOMBSHELL: China DOMINATES AI!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWuEUjo4u4

    Bye




    Throwing papers at us (i.e. in usenet) although better than nothing,
    it still is an extremely inefficient way to communicate.

    Speak, yourself, in the way that a first year undergraduate prof
    explains stuff to the students who just a few months earlier finished
    their high schooling.

    Then you will communicate.

    If it is too difficult to do that (cause requires deep understanding
    of the subject by yourself), or, if you don't get time doing all
    that, then break the job down into little pieces. A day at a time, or
    a week at a time.

    You'd be spending the same amount of time as you are now, and yet you
    will actually communicate something with those with physics background.

    Did I have to say this? I don't think so. But your intentions here
    are vague. But if you need support for your own gains in
    understanding the subject, you just have to do it the way I explained
    above. Then you will get that support. Not from Bozos and
    "engineers", but from me and anybody with actual physics background
    and such trainings.

    There are a few actual physicists in relativity group that can join
    in, but only if you do it the way I explained above.


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  • From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Tue Feb 4 23:51:34 2025
    Hi

    For DeepSeekMath I imagine the group concept:

    - Hindu
    - Jewish
    - Liberal
    - Asian

    Transfers to groups such as:

    - Calculus
    - Group Theory
    - Number Theory
    - Probability Theory

    Got it?

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    The biggest group morons are those that
    dream that they can profit by relocating
    from their own group of people,

    to a group of american people, and then
    cry when their assets get frozen or who
    knows what happens. The papers I posted

    are about automatically tuning into groups:

    Group Preference Optimization
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.11523

    DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300

    Its actually quite amazing how machine
    learning can utilize group identification
    to customize how a conversational software

    agent interacts. Currently I think is a
    variant of fine tuning, but on a different
    model level that is called policy. The first

    paper has a figure with the following groups:

    - Hindu
    - Jewish
    - Liberal
    - Asian

    Have Fun!

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Typo: now -> new

    to generate now thinking

    Should read:

    to generate new thinking

    I shit and piss on some asslicking group
    that cannot think on his own. Thank god
    USENET has only rarely such group morons.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    You wouldn't notic that I speak for myself
    always and ever. Just remove the links and
    you see its all text original by me.

    I always post geniun commentary to current
    events which are solely the product of my
    own mind. I do not intend to educate something.

    My intention is to document my current
    understanding and to generate now thinking.
    If you have expected some schooling, I am very

    sorry for you. I never post boring schooling.

    Bye

    ---------------- cut here -----------------

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    ---------------- cut here -----------------


    Physfitfreak schrieb:
    On 2/4/25 3:06 AM, Mild Shock wrote:
    Hi,

    Because of the wide availability of Machine Learning
    via Python libraries , the whole world (at least China)
    has become a big Petri Dish that is experimenting with

    new strategies to evolve brains on the computer.
    Recent discovery seems to be Group Preference Optimization.
    This is when you make the chat bot, detect and react

    differently to different groups of people. It seems to
    work on the "policy level". I don't understand it yet
    completely. But chat bots can then evolve and use

    multiple policies automatically:

    Group Preference Optimization
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.11523

    DeepSeekMath: Pushing the Limits
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.03300

    Now it seems that it is also at the core of DeepSeekMath,
    what is possibly detected is not group of people, but
    mathematical topics, so that in the end it excells.

    When unsupervised learning is used groups or math
    topics might be found from data, through a form of
    abduction.

    Bye

    Mild Shock schrieb:
    Hi,

    Wait till USA figures out there is a second
    competitor besides DeepSeek, its called Yi-Lightning:

    Yi-Lightning Technical Report
    https://arxiv.org/abs/2412.01253

    It was already discussed 2 months ago:

    Eric Schmidt DROPS BOMBSHELL: China DOMINATES AI!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddWuEUjo4u4

    Bye




    Throwing papers at us (i.e. in usenet) although better than nothing,
    it still is an extremely inefficient way to communicate.

    Speak, yourself, in the way that a first year undergraduate prof
    explains stuff to the students who just a few months earlier
    finished their high schooling.

    Then you will communicate.

    If it is too difficult to do that (cause requires deep understanding
    of the subject by yourself), or, if you don't get time doing all
    that, then break the job down into little pieces. A day at a time,
    or a week at a time.

    You'd be spending the same amount of time as you are now, and yet
    you will actually communicate something with those with physics
    background.

    Did I have to say this? I don't think so. But your intentions here
    are vague. But if you need support for your own gains in
    understanding the subject, you just have to do it the way I
    explained above. Then you will get that support. Not from Bozos and
    "engineers", but from me and anybody with actual physics background
    and such trainings.

    There are a few actual physicists in relativity group that can join
    in, but only if you do it the way I explained above.



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