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  • The Lorentz transformation is Pointless.

    From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 17:48:33 2024
    The Lorentz transformation is Pointless.

    There is absolutely no need for the LT or gamma to calculate the speed of light.

    There exist two possibilities for the speed of light.
    Neither requires the LT or gamma.

    1. An ether exists in space/vacuum.

    Then light behaves like sound, immediately forming compression waves in the ether.
    Light speed is c plus or minus the speed of the observer/destination.

    Then, the relative motion of the source can be known from the Doppler shift plus/minus the relative motion of the destination.


    2. No ether exists.

    Then light behaves as a particle in space/vacuum, sharing the motion of the source, as in Galileo's ship. Entering interstellar gas particles, it forms compression waves, saving information on relative motion.

    CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO USE FOR THE LT OR GAMMA AT HIGH SPEEDS.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 18:39:23 2024
    If you knew why, you could tell me, but you don't.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 18:37:33 2024
    As usual, you can't give any good reasons because you are wrong.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 20:15:36 2024
    You don't understand that what I said is true in light of the MMX. Accepting the LT is hopelessly naive and ignorant.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 10 20:48:34 2024
    You can't explain why the MMX requires using the LT because it can only do so if a stationary ether exists. You necessarily must hold to a stationary ether to require the LT. Then, you must not accept the photon concept.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to LaurenceClarkCrossen on Sat May 11 01:05:58 2024
    LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

    The Lorentz transformation is Pointless.

    Correct.

    There is absolutely no need for the LT or gamma to calculate the speed of light.

    There exist two possibilities for the speed of light.
    Neither requires the LT or gamma.

    1. An ether exists in space/vacuum.

    Then light behaves like sound, immediately forming compression waves in the ether.
    Light speed is c plus or minus the speed of the observer/destination.

    Right.

    Then, the relative motion of the source can be known from the Doppler shift plus/minus the relative motion of the destination.


    2. No ether exists.

    Then light is not a wave.

    Then light behaves as a particle in space/vacuum,

    Wrong. Particles have mass. Light gas no mass.




    sharing the motion of the source, as in Galileo's ship. Entering interstellar gas particles, it forms compression waves, saving information on relative motion.

    Don't know what you are talking about.
    A photon is a brief pulse of em radiation.

    CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO USE FOR THE LT OR GAMMA AT HIGH SPEEDS.

    Read the physics aphorisms of Arindam.

    bt (Arindam's ghostly cyberdogs)

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 01:42:01 2024
    Le 10/05/2024 à 19:48, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :

    The Lorentz transformation is Pointless.

    Lorentz transformations, in reality Poincaré-Lorentz transformations, are
    not only very useful, but represent one of the most beautiful mathematical discoveries in the history of humanity.

    We then understand that there cannot be something like "an ether", and
    even less a real and indeformable absolute space.

    <http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?FOLF62reMm4EW11HCYsZ_BLDpBU@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 02:58:38 2024
    Le 11/05/2024 à 04:27, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :
    Without an ether, the LT is useless because its sole purpose is to save the ether from the null result.

    But no!

    The goal of Lorentz transformations is to explain precisely that the ether
    does not exist and that we do not even need it to give correct theories.

    R.H.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 02:27:02 2024
    Without an ether, the LT is useless because its sole purpose is to save the ether from the null result.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 02:23:43 2024
    I would like to think light has no mass, but according to the mass-energy equivalence, it must. The accepted view is that it does. Light Doppler shifts involve compression waves. How do you think the relative motion of the Sun and Sirius is known to be 5.
    5 km/sec?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 11 07:47:02 2024
    W dniu 11.05.2024 o 06:59, palsing pisze:
    JanPB wrote:

    LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

    The Lorentz transformation is Pointless.

    There is absolutely no need for the LT or gamma to calculate the
    speed of light.

    There exist two possibilities for the speed of light.
    Neither requires the LT or gamma.

    1. An ether exists in space/vacuum.

    Then light behaves like sound, immediately forming compression waves
    in the ether. Light speed is c plus or minus the speed of the
    observer/destination.

    Then, the relative motion of the source can be known from the Doppler
    shift plus/minus the relative motion of the destination.


    2. No ether exists.

    Then light behaves as a particle in space/vacuum, sharing the motion
    of the source, as in Galileo's ship. Entering interstellar gas
    particles, it forms compression waves, saving information on relative
    motion.

    CONCLUSION: THERE IS NO USE FOR THE LT OR GAMMA AT HIGH SPEEDS.

    You have no idea how hopelessly naive what you write is. Everybody and
    his mother knew already in the late 1800s that your approach did not work
    (for the observed experimental reasons).

    --
    Jan


    Like I've been telling you, Larry, you just don't know what you don't
    know, and it shows with every post you make.


    Stop making wise faces, poor halfbrain - the mumble
    of your idiot guru was not even consistent, you've been
    proven it many times and spitting with Polish jokes
    is no way changing that.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to LaurenceClarkCrossen on Sat May 11 07:04:14 2024
    LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:

    I would like to think light has no mass, but according to the mass-energy equivalence, it must

    The mass-energy equivalence is the most absurd nonsense. All those who chant the e=mcc slogan are liars, frauds, fools. They are despised by both gods and dogs. Worthy humans will get rid of that nonsense and replace it with BigDog Arindam's correct
    formula.


    The accepted view is that it does.

    Great comeback of Aristotle and Jewish metaphysics by the e=mcc=hv lies which have been solidified in the public mind by nukes. However not just nukes but all explosions are elegantly explained by Arindam's formula. Which is intuitive, non-destructive
    and kinetic with no.math mumbo jumbo and wrong assumptions.

    The low moral and intellectual level of all physicists is demonstrated by their reaction to Arindam's original genius work.

    Main culprit here is the ongoing bundle with the analysis of the MMI experiment. They forgot that the apparatus was moving with the Earth. So the light oaths are different from what is now taken to be. And that is the bungle they will not look at for
    obvious reasons.




    Light Doppler shifts involve compression waves.

    No they do not. Wavelengths onlySEEM to get compressed. Frequency varies with the relative velocity of light from source to sink.





    How do you think the relative motion of the Sun and Sirius is known to be 5.5 km/sec?

    I don't think anything of that kind. Anyone from some well funded organisation can say anything and expect belief. That does not work on individuals like myself.

    Bow-wow

    bt (Arindam's ghostly cyberdogs)

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