What is very simple; in the perfect and complete demonstration of the
Langevin traveler, it is Terrence's vision of things.
We must take things by considering spatial anisochrony, and in Terrence's
frame of reference, we just have to treat things as if we were treating
them by telescope, and by using the Doppler effect.
All relativistic physicists succeed, all of them.
And we will all have the same thing.
On this subject, if someone wants to use these images, they can do it.
There is no risk, they are completely correct, and recognized by all.
It is very simple.
This is how it must be done.
The highlight of the show, the sublime beauty is not here.
The highlight of the show is when we will do exactly the same thing for
Stella and put ourselves in her place, in a Hachel version colorized technocolor.
And that will be something never seen before anywhere.
But first, I want to show with this first part that I am not an idiot, and
that I treat things like everyone else.


Vision of things by Terrence (easy)

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R.H.

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:14:29 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

What is very simple; in the perfect and complete demonstration of the Langevin traveler, it is Terrence's vision of things.
We must take things by considering spatial anisochrony, and in
Terrence's
frame of reference, we just have to treat things as if we were treating
them by telescope, and by using the Doppler effect.
All relativistic physicists succeed, all of them.
And we will all have the same thing.
On this subject, if someone wants to use these images, they can do it.
There is no risk, they are completely correct, and recognized by all.
It is very simple.
This is how it must be done.
The highlight of the show, the sublime beauty is not here.
The highlight of the show is when we will do exactly the same thing for Stella and put ourselves in her place, in a Hachel version colorized technocolor.
And that will be something never seen before anywhere.
But first, I want to show with this first part that I am not an idiot,
and
that I treat things like everyone else.

Vision of things by Terrence (easy)
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:1>
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:2>
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:3>
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:4>
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:5>
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:6>
<http://news2.nemoweb.net/jntp?AP9K8PWdQ8VGGn12U_lCq6JgpEU@jntp/Data.Media:7>
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R.H.

Very pretty pictures but sorry, old friend, they are incorrect.

First of all, the time between Earth and Tau Ceti need not be 12 years.
Just
how would an expedition to TC measure time? Since a time at TC is
specified,
we must assume an earlier expedition arrived there. One way to set the
time
there would be to carry their chronometer with them, which began the
journey
synchronized with Earth time. Let's say they left Earth in 1960. At
0.8c,
their time of arrival would be 1969 (ignoring acceleration and
deceleration).
Earth time would be 1975. So TC time would be behind Earth time by 6
years,
not 12 years.

The first expedition could calculate the time on earth using SR to set
their
chronometer to Earth time. That would get them much better
synchronization,
but any uncertainty in their speed or the distance traveled would leave
some
residual errors. There's a better way to get exact synchronization.

I used the impossible embarkation time for the first expedition of 1960
for
a special reason. When this expedition arrives, they send a signal back
to earth. Earth immediately sends a signal back, telling them the time
on
Earth (1987). It arrives back 24 years from being originated (1999).

The expedition now knows the exact distance between Earth and TC, and
they
can now synchronize their chronometer with Earth time. So when the ship
leaves Earth in 2000, the time on TC will be 2000, not 1988.

“Don’t think too much. You’ll create a problem that wasn’t even
there in the first place.” – Anon.

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Le 02/08/2024 à 16:09, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:14:29 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Very pretty pictures but sorry, old friend, they are incorrect.

C'est parfaitement correct.

First of all, the time between Earth and Tau Ceti need not be 12 years.
Just
how would an expedition to TC measure time? Since a time at TC is
specified,
we must assume an earlier expedition arrived there. One way to set the
time
there would be to carry their chronometer with them, which began the
journey
synchronized with Earth time. Let's say they left Earth in 1960. At
0.8c,
their time of arrival would be 1969 (ignoring acceleration and
deceleration).

Absolutely.

I beg you to breathe and blow.

When dealing with Dr. Hachel, you must first listen to him and then
respond with control.

It is true that in your example (departure 1960, speed Vo=0.8c) the rocket
will arrive with a watch that will mark 1969.

Everyone says the same thing, and so do I.

I say that FOR the rocket, the rocket's watch marks 1969.

I say that FOR the earth, the rocket's watch marks 1969.

That is LOGICAL.

BUT two other questions will arise:
1. What time is it on earth FOR the rocket when the fact happens?
2. What time is it on earth FOR the earth when the fact happens?

These two questions are very different, and already require much more
attention than the first two, because the answers given are most often
wrong (since the bigwigs of physics do not understand THEIR theory
correctly).

Earth time would be 1975. So TC time would be behind Earth time by 6
years,
not 12 years.

No.

You do not understand your own example.
In your example, when the rocket reaches its goal,
we neglect the short-term accelerations, Stella's watch marks 1969. It
crossed the 12 ly in 9 years of proper time.
But the terrestrial watch FOR the earth marks 1987!!!
The fact takes place in 1987 (and not in 1975) as one stupidly thinks when
one understands nothing, but nothing at all of Hachel's work for 40 years
on the simple and coherent geometry of the RR.


R.H.

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Le 02/08/2024 à 20:26, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :

Only 40 years? I started working SR problems 64 years ago!
In the meantime I earned engineering, mathematics and physics
degrees.

Whaaaooo...
That's very good.
I sincerely congratulate you.
It is therefore highly probable that you surpass me by a lot in math and physics.
It is therefore an honor for me to be able to correspond with you.

R.H.

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On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:35:52 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 02/08/2024 à 16:09, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :

On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 21:14:29 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Very pretty pictures but sorry, old friend, they are incorrect.

C'est parfaitement correct.

First of all, the time between Earth and Tau Ceti need not be
12 years. Just how would an expedition to TC measure time?
Since a time at TC is specified, we must assume an earlier
expedition arrived there. One way to set the time there
would be to carry their chronometer with them, which began
the journey synchronized with Earth time. Let's say they
left Earth in 1960. At 0.8c, their time of arrival would
be 1969 (ignoring acceleration and deceleration).

Absolutely.

I beg you to breathe and blow.

When dealing with Dr. Hachel, you must first listen to him
and then respond with control.

Exactly what I have done. RH should be a little less

It is true that in your example (departure 1960, speed Vo=0.8c)
the rocket will arrive with a watch that will mark 1969.

Everyone says the same thing, and so do I.

I say that FOR the rocket, the rocket's watch marks 1969.

I say that FOR the earth, the rocket's watch marks 1969.

That is LOGICAL.

BUT two other questions will arise:

1. What time is it on earth FOR the rocket when the fact
happens?
2. What time is it on earth FOR the earth when the fact
happens?

Irrelevant at this point in the problem.

These two questions are very different, and already require
much more attention than the first two, because the answers
given are most often wrong (since the bigwigs of physics do
not understand THEIR theory correctly).

Earth time would be 1975. So TC time would be behind Earth

time by 6 years, not 12 years.

No.

You do not understand your own example.
In your example, when the rocket reaches its goal, we neglect
the short-term accelerations, Stella's watch marks 1969. It
crossed the 12 ly in 9 years of proper time.
But the terrestrial watch FOR the earth marks 1987!!!

Nope. The ship started from Earth in 1960 going 0.8c. It
traveled 12 LYrs, so according to Earth time it would take
12/.8 = 15 years. It was 1975 Earth time when the ship
arrived at its destination. Without tachyon communication,
the Earth couldn't KNOW that until the ship sent a signal
back which traveled at c, which would be in 1987, as I
specified. At that time, the Earth could calculate that
the ship arrived at its destination 12 years earlier.
1975 is the CORRECT answer when the ship arrived according
to Earth time.

The fact takes place in 1987 (and not in 1975) as one
stupidly thinks when one understands nothing,

RH is overthinking the problem, which I cautioned him not
to do:

“Don’t think too much. You’ll create a problem that
wasn’t even there in the first place.” – Anon.

but nothing at all of Hachel's work for 40 years on
the simple and coherent geometry of the RR.

R.H.

Only 40 years? I started working SR problems 64 years ago!
In the meantime I earned engineering, mathematics and physics
degrees.

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Le 02/08/2024 à 20:26, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 14:35:52 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

In your example, when the rocket reaches its goal, we neglect
the short-term accelerations, Stella's watch marks 1969. It
crossed the 12 ly in 9 years of proper time.
But the terrestrial watch FOR the earth marks 1987!!!

Nope. The ship started from Earth in 1960 going 0.8c. It
traveled 12 LYrs, so according to Earth time it would take
12/.8 = 15 years.

You are wrong, because you are reasoning in Newtonian mode, or at best, Minkowskian.
I asked you to breathe and blow, which meant that there was bound to be
some heavy stuff, and you seem not to have understood it.
When you boast of being the world's best specialist in special relativity
(from uniform Galilean frames of reference to uniformly accelerated frames
of reference, including rotating frames of reference) you can well imagine
that you cannot make such a gross error as saying that the rocket will
arrive in 1987, after 27 years of travel.
However, this is what I confirm.
It is therefore notorious that the error is on your side.
It is obvious that either you have not read what I say about the theory
and why I say it, or you have not understood anything at all.
So I repeat: you are making a conceptual mistake somewhere, and I implore
you to have two or three cups of coffee, to reread what I said about
universal anisochrony and the internal dilation of chronotropies.
You will perhaps understand why I am right, and why the entire universe
should think like me.
What I say is very important, because it is only a small part of the
revelation of the concept. And if you do not make the effort to assimilate
(I do not ask you to believe, but only to assimilate) what I say, you will
have real problems when I will post the same comics, not for Terrence, but
for Stella, and then it will be even more difficult to admit.
It will nevertheless be the perfect truth.

R.H.

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On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:37:15 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 02/08/2024 à 20:26, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :

Only 40 years? I started working SR problems 64 years ago!
In the meantime I earned engineering, mathematics and physics
degrees.

Whaaaooo...
That's very good.
I sincerely congratulate you.
It is therefore highly probable that you surpass me by a lot
in math and physics. It is therefore an honor for me to be
able to correspond with you.

R.H.

Well, I can't say that I wasn't a bit naive 60 years ago :-)

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W dniu 02.08.2024 o 20:53, gharnagel pisze:

On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 18:37:15 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 02/08/2024 à 20:26, hitlong@yahoo.com (gharnagel) a écrit :

Only 40 years?  I started working SR problems 64 years ago!
In the meantime I earned engineering, mathematics and physics
degrees.

Whaaaooo...
That's very good.
I sincerely congratulate you.
It is therefore highly probable that you surpass me by a lot
in math and physics.  It is therefore an honor for me to be
able to correspond with you.

R.H.

Well, I can't say that I wasn't a bit naive 60 years ago :-)

Well, you were, and that's why you've bought
the crap of Nature Herself speaking through the
mouths of your idiot gurus, about the Cosmic
Music, Holy Symmetries and so on.

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