• the notion of relativity of simultaneity

    From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 30 22:52:42 2024
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and the
    very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to synchronize
    two watches so that they give the same time at the same present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own hyperplane
    of present time?

    A slightly blurred line in Poincaré.

    Five lines in Einstein who thereby succeeds in the feat of evading the anisochronous question.

    Nothing in Jean-Pierre Messager (the great critic of modern science).

    One would think one was dreaming.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 00:34:51 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to synchronize two watches
    so that they give the same time at the same present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    A slightly blurred line in Poincaré.

    Really, how comes? Can you give references?

    Five lines in Einstein who thereby succeeds in the feat of evading the anisochronous question.

    Nothing in Jean-Pierre Messager

    Not nothing:

    https://noedge.net/e/

    (the great critic of modern science).

    This is what *you* pretend to be. I don't.

    One would think one was dreaming.

    Not a dream. A nightmare of yours in an ocean of confusions
    where you drawn yourself.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 08:52:16 2024
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 02:34 schrieb Python:
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and
    the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 08:11:51 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 08:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 02:34 schrieb Python:
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and
    the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    1. I didn't ask you
    2. Your answer is wrong

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 12:36:00 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 08:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 02:34 schrieb Python:
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and
    the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 12:22:11 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 02:34, Python a écrit :

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own hyperplane of >> present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    I don't have to answer that.

    If I answer that, tomorrow you'll ask me: "I read in one of your posts you wrote (a+b)(a-b)=a²-b².
    What do you mean by (a+b)(a-b)=a²-b²

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 12:45:32 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 14:22, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 02:34, Python a écrit :

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own hyperplane of
    present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    I don't have to answer that.

    [snip evading the question]

    *You* pretend that the existence of such a "hyperplane" matters.

    *So* it matters to know what you intend by "hyperplane".

    *I* can define what a hyperplane is. Clearly you can't.

    So *your* argument is *pointless*.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 12:54:07 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 14:36, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 08:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 02:34 schrieb Python:
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and
    the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to No. I on Tue Oct 1 13:25:24 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 15:23, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 14:54, Python a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 14:36, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 08:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 02:34 schrieb Python:
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and >>>>>> the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to >>>>>> synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same >>>>>> present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of
    understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)

    LOL.

    1. Tu dis que tu ne sais pas.

    No. I asked *you* what *you* intend by the word "hyperplane".

    2. Puis tu dis que tu sais.
    3. Puis tu fis que tu sais mieux.

    Of course I know what it is. You clearly don't.

    Allez, montre ta force et décris les choses avec ta prose de grand critique scientifique.

    Look on fr.sci.physique.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 1 13:23:43 2024
    Le 01/10/2024 à 14:54, Python a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 14:36, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 01/10/2024 à 08:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 02:34 schrieb Python:
    Le 01/10/2024 à 00:52, Richard "Hachel" Lengrnd a écrit :
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and
    the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of
    understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)

    LOL.

    1. Tu dis que tu ne sais pas.
    2. Puis tu dis que tu sais.
    3. Puis tu fis que tu sais mieux.

    Allez, montre ta force et décris les choses avec ta prose de grand
    critique scientifique.

    Mais je te préviens, je ne suis infernal.

    Si c'est plus hugolien ou plus chateaubrianesque, je plagie.

    Si c'est débile, j'humilie.

    Tes futurs avocats sont prévenus.

    R.H.

    R.H.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Wed Oct 2 10:07:14 2024
    On 2024-10-01 12:22:11 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 01/10/2024 à 02:34, Python a écrit :

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    I don't have to answer that.

    And you shouldn't. Otherwise someone might tihink you know something.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 20:54:45 2024
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 14:54 schrieb Python:

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of
    understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)


    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of present
    time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in
    mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    TH

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 19:00:17 2024
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 14:54 schrieb Python:

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of
    understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)


    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    The mathematical definition of hyperplane match with the definition
    of hyperplane of simultaneity (not "present") sure.

    Your explanation is not correct. It is gibberish.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 19:26:09 2024
    Le 02/10/2024 à 21:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 02.10.2024 o 21:00, Python pisze:
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 14:54 schrieb Python:

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own >>>>>>>> hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three >>>>>> dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of >>>>> understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)


    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of
    present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in
    mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    The mathematical definition of hyperplane match with the definition
    of hyperplane of simultaneity


    Your [snip slander] has no definition
    of simultaneity

    We have.

    "present" is a special case of simultaneity,

    Oh really? Special in which way then?

    lying stinker, poor stinker.

    Nice signature

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 21:21:49 2024
    W dniu 02.10.2024 o 21:00, Python pisze:
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 14:54 schrieb Python:

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of
    understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)


    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of
    present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in
    mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    The mathematical definition of hyperplane match with the definition
    of hyperplane of simultaneity


    Your bunch of idiots has no definition
    of simultaneity and you're a lying stinker,
    poor stinker.



    (not "present") sure.

    "present" is a special case of simultaneity,
    even such an idiot should be able to get it.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 19:59:51 2024
    Le 02/10/2024 à 21:00, Python a écrit :
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    The mathematical definition of hyperplane match with the definition
    of hyperplane of simultaneity (not "present") sure.


    I gave my definition of the present time hyperplane, of the simultaneity hyperplane.
    You will notice that at first, this seems to be close to what physicists
    and also AI say.
    It is in the relative concept of this hyperplane that I no longer agree
    with all this.

    For the public, scientists, and AI, it seems that this hyperplane is a
    kind of absolute block in a given frame of reference, and that we can make
    all the spatial translations we want and the block remains unchanged. In
    short, that it is only modified by the notion of relativity of speeds
    between frames of reference (i.e. chronotropy).
    This idea is as silly as it is false.

    Which does not mean that people are ready to listen to me.

    Au fait, elle vient ta définition à toi, que je me marre (il va nous
    sortir un copier-coller de quelque part, je le sens). Autant dire tout de
    suite que si c'est un copier-coller plus ou moins proche de ce qu'on
    trouve sur les sites relativistes ou sur les sites d'intelligence
    artificielle, c'est pas le peine de te fatiguer.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 21:44:19 2024
    W dniu 02.10.2024 o 21:26, Python pisze:
    Le 02/10/2024 à 21:21, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 02.10.2024 o 21:00, Python pisze:
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 14:54 schrieb Python:

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own >>>>>>>>> hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a >>>>>>> hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a
    three dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable
    of understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)


    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of
    present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the
    present' in context of RT and not about the general case of a
    hyperplane in mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    The mathematical definition of hyperplane match with the definition
    of hyperplane of simultaneity


    Your [snip slander] has no definition
    of simultaneity

    We have.

    The short legs of your lie has been
    already tested, but why not to do it
    again.
    E1 an event taking place at a GPS
    satellite, E2 - an event taking place
    in a GPS ground base (or ground facility,
    if you wish) - how are you going to
    determine whether E1 is simultaneous
    to E2 or not, poor lying stinker?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 2 20:07:17 2024
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    TH

    The two notions are similar.

    "Hyperplane of present time" and "hyperplane of simultaneity" are
    synonymous (whatever the theory used, Newton, Einstein, Hachel).

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 09:09:22 2024
    Am Mittwoch000002, 02.10.2024 um 21:00 schrieb Python:
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Dienstag000001, 01.10.2024 um 14:54 schrieb Python:

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane of present time?

    What do you mean by "hyperlane"?

    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three
    dimensional space.

    In RT-lingo, this is a hyperplane (of the present).

    Imagine you would 'flatten' space to a 2-dimensional sheet.


    TH

    ...


    Why do you answer him? You can see that he is crazy.

    He claims to be a great expert in relativity, but he is incapable of
    understanding what a simple "hyperplane" is.

    R.H.

    I do know what a hyperplane is :-) Neither Thomas nor you do :-)


    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of
    present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in
    mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    The mathematical definition of hyperplane match with the definition
    of hyperplane of simultaneity (not "present") sure.

    Your explanation is not correct. It is gibberish.




    My explanation stems from a usualy Minkowski diagramm (the one with a
    light cone).


    The comoving hyperplane (comoving with the observer) is usually called 'hyperplane of the present.

    This is so, because a spacetime diagram uses only two dimensions for
    space and one for time, because in pseudo-3d it is not possible to
    depict more dimensions.

    This 'hyperplane of the present' is therefore depicted as a sheet, but
    actually means a space.

    This space is the space of all events, which could be conneted to the
    place called 'here and now' by the observer, if he would use a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity.

    This is, of course, not possible, hence only points are accessible,
    which are located upon the observers future light cone.

    But for definitions we do not need to care about such limitations and
    could regard as 'present', what is placed upon the hyperplane of the
    present (instead of the positions on the light cone).


    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 09:12:20 2024
    Am Mittwoch000002, 02.10.2024 um 22:07 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 02/10/2024 à 20:54, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    'Hyperplane' has a sigtly different meaning than 'hyperplane of
    present time'.

    But apparently your question was about the 'hyperplane of the present'
    in context of RT and not about the general case of a hyperplane in
    mathematics.

    In case of RT, my explanation was correct!


    TH

    The two notions are similar.

    "Hyperplane of present time" and "hyperplane of simultaneity" are
    synonymous (whatever the theory used, Newton, Einstein, Hachel).


    Sure, but mathematicians use the term 'hyperplane' for a lot of other
    things, too, which have no connections to time.

    It is like a subspace with one dimension less.


    TH

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:17:20 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three >>>>>> dimensional space.


    This is utter gibberish.

    This has absolutely no relation with what an hyperplane of events is
    in SR.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:26:46 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:17, Python a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a >>>>>>> hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three >>>>>>> dimensional space.


    This is utter gibberish.

    This has absolutely no relation with what an hyperplane of events is
    in SR.

    Au fait, on attend toujours ta définition, voire un petit pdf de deux ou
    trois pages avec pour titre :
    "Relativité restreinte et notion de simultanéité".

    - Définition
    - Hyperplan de simultanéité
    - Synchronisation d'horloges

    Sauf que tu ne publies jamais rien.

    T'euh qu'un guignol.

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:39:50 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:26, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lenrand a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:17, Python a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a >>>>>>>> hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three >>>>>>>> dimensional space.


    This is utter gibberish.

    This has absolutely no relation with what an hyperplane of events is
    in SR.

    Au fait, on attend toujours ta définition, voire un petit pdf de deux ou trois
    pages avec pour titre :
    "Relativité restreinte et notion de simultanéité".

    - Définition
    - Hyperplan de simultanéité
    - Synchronisation d'horloges

    Sauf que tu ne publies jamais rien.

    https://noedge.net/e

    https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/tree/main/Hachel

    un guignol.

    Nice signature!

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:44:11 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:41, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    My explanation stems from a usualy Minkowski diagramm (the one with a
    light cone).

    This stupid diagram should no longer be used.

    You are not in the position to provide such advises.

    You are an old fart shooting at clouds from a shithole.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:41:22 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    My explanation stems from a usualy Minkowski diagramm (the one with a
    light cone).

    This stupid diagram should no longer be used.

    TH

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:49:11 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    The comoving hyperplane (comoving with the observer) is usually called 'hyperplane of the present.

    Absolument.

    This is so, because a spacetime diagram uses only two dimensions for
    space and one for time, because in pseudo-3d it is not possible to
    depict more dimensions.

    Absolument.

    This 'hyperplane of the present' is therefore depicted as a sheet, but actually means a space.

    Absolument.

    This space is the space of all events, which could be conneted to the
    place called 'here and now' by the observer,

    Absolument.


    if he would use a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity.

    This is already the case.

    There is no need to imagine an infinite speed of information, because in
    this case, for the direct observer who "sees" the information arriving, it
    IS live.



    This is, of course, not possible, hence only points are accessible,
    which are located upon the observers future light cone.

    The notion of hypercone of light no longer has any reason to exist, we
    should no longer use this term which adds nothing, even if it is true that
    for an external observer B the hyperplane of A is transformed into a
    hypercone for B in its hyperplane.

    But for definitions we do not need to care about such limitations and
    could regard as 'present', what is placed upon the hyperplane of the
    present (instead of the positions on the light cone).

    Absolument.

    TH

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 13:05:35 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:39, Python a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:26, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lenrand a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:17, Python a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    The set of all points, which could be connected to an events by a >>>>>>>>> hypothetical signal with infinite velocity builds actually a three >>>>>>>>> dimensional space.


    This is utter gibberish.

    This has absolutely no relation with what an hyperplane of events is
    in SR.

    Au fait, on attend toujours ta définition, voire un petit pdf de deux ou trois
    pages avec pour titre :
    "Relativité restreinte et notion de simultanéité".

    - Définition
    - Hyperplan de simultanéité
    - Synchronisation d'horloges

    Sauf que tu ne publies jamais rien.

    https://noedge.net/e

    https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/tree/main/Hachel

    un guignol.

    Nice signature!

    C'est bien ce que je dis, tu ne publies jamais rien, sinon tes
    harcèlements débiles et tes carences à la con.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 13:03:59 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:12, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    Sure, but mathematicians use the term 'hyperplane' for a lot of other
    things, too, which have no connections to time.

    It is like a subspace with one dimension less.

    The hyperplane of simultaneity is relative.

    A does not have the same as B.

    B does not have the same as A.

    Romeo has his own hyperplane of simultaneity, Juliet, sitting on this
    other bench has another one.

    When Juliet observes Romeo's hyperplane (if she could make it visible) it
    is clear that she is not observing a hyperplane, but another geometric
    figure.

    This figure is a virtual hypercone, but it is more difficult to represent,
    and is not very useful since it is not anyone's hyperplane, but what we
    could see of someone else's hyperplane.

    Note that if I send a mobile at speed Vr (real speed) between Romeo and
    Juliet, the mobile gradually passes from Romeo's hyperplane to Juliet's hyperplane (tautology).

    The hyperplane of this mobile is therefore perpetually changing.

    But who should be given priority to transcribe this change? Romeo's
    hyperplane or Juliet's, since it moves away from one and approaches the
    other, thus seeing them deform into a hypercone for one (Juliet) and into
    a hyperplane for the other (Romeo)?

    There will therefore be an entanglement of effects, and we will obtain something of the second degree: it is the Lorentz factor
    g=(1-Vo²/c²)^-(1/2)

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 12:53:00 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:49, Richard Hachel a écrit :
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    The comoving hyperplane (comoving with the observer) is usually called
    'hyperplane of the present.

    Absolument.

    This is so, because a spacetime diagram uses only two dimensions for
    space and one for time, because in pseudo-3d it is not possible to
    depict more dimensions.

    Absolument.

    This 'hyperplane of the present' is therefore depicted as a sheet, but
    actually means a space.

    Absolument.

    This space is the space of all events, which could be conneted to the
    place called 'here and now' by the observer,

    Absolument.


    if he would use a
    hypothetical signal with infinite velocity.

    This is already the case.

    There is no need to imagine an infinite speed of information, because in this case, for the direct observer who "sees" the information arriving, it IS live.



    This is, of course, not possible, hence only points are accessible,
    which are located upon the observers future light cone.

    The notion of hypercone of light no longer has any reason to exist, we should no
    longer use this term which adds nothing, even if it is true that for an external
    observer B the hyperplane of A is transformed into a hypercone for B in its hyperplane.

    But for definitions we do not need to care about such limitations and
    could regard as 'present', what is placed upon the hyperplane of the
    present (instead of the positions on the light cone).

    Absolument.

    TH

    R.H.

    https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/asinus_asinum_fricat

    https://www.latin-is-simple.com/en/vocabulary/phrase/181/

    the jackass rubs the jackass

    Used to describe 2 persons who are lavishing excessive praise on one
    another.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 3 13:07:11 2024
    Le 03/10/2024 à 14:44, Python a écrit :

    You are not in the position to provide such advises.

    You are an old fart shooting at clouds from a shithole.

    I give the advice I want to whom I want and when I want.

    I don't care about your whining.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 09:36:04 2024
    Am Donnerstag000003, 03.10.2024 um 14:41 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    My explanation stems from a usualy Minkowski diagramm (the one with a
    light cone).

    This stupid diagram should no longer be used.

    Why???

    I personally think, that Minkowski's version of relativity was actually correct.

    TH

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 09:52:45 2024
    Am Donnerstag000003, 03.10.2024 um 14:49 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    The comoving hyperplane (comoving with the observer) is usually called
    'hyperplane of the present.

    Absolument.

    This is so, because a spacetime diagram uses only two dimensions for
    space and one for time, because in pseudo-3d it is not possible to
    depict more dimensions.

    Absolument.

    This 'hyperplane of the present' is therefore depicted as a sheet, but
    actually means a space.

    Absolument.

    This space is the space of all events, which could be conneted to the
    place called 'here and now' by the observer,

    Absolument.


    if he would use a hypothetical signal with infinite velocity.

    This is already the case.

    There is no need to imagine an infinite speed of information, because in
    this case, for the direct observer who "sees" the information arriving,
    it IS live.


    Sure:

    The observer see remote events 'live'.

    But he sees remote events also delayed!

    What we see in the night sky is NOT happening now, but earlier than now.

    We see events now, which happenend the longer ago the further away.

    It is therefore patently irrelevant, what the observer sees, because
    these impressions are pictures, we receive from the past.

    The 'real thing' is supposed to exist, but remains invisible for a long
    time.

    This 'real thing' is invisible, but real, while our impressions are
    visible, but not real.

    We would need to correct this error 'by hand', because we cannot see,
    what is happening now.

    Such a correction isn't that difficult, since we only need to take the
    delay into consideration.

    A certain shell around the observer represents a certain set of points,
    from where we receive simultaneous signals at the same time.

    For other shells further away or closer to us, we need to add or
    subtract the delay relative to that shell mentioned above.

    If we reduce that shell to zero radius, we would need to measure only delay.

    This delay should be used to compensate the time needed for signals to
    travel from remote events to the observers.

    What is happening now, that will be seen with such a delay later.

    Therefore, the (hyperplane of the) present is real, but cannot be seen,

    It is constructed by assuming a hypothetical signal, which needs no time
    to travel, hence is here once emitted.


    This does not exist, but that doesn't matter for a definition.


    TH

    ..


    This is, of course, not possible, hence only points are accessible,
    which are located upon the observers future light cone.

    The notion of hypercone of light no longer has any reason to exist, we
    should no longer use this term which adds nothing, even if it is true
    that for an external observer B the hyperplane of A is transformed into
    a hypercone for B in its hyperplane.

    But for definitions we do not need to care about such limitations and
    could regard as 'present', what is placed upon the hyperplane of the
    present (instead of the positions on the light cone).

    Absolument.

    TH

    R.H.


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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 10:14:24 2024
    Le 05/10/2024 à 09:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :


    Sure:

    The observer see remote events 'live'.

    But he sees remote events also delayed!

    What we see in the night sky is NOT happening now, but earlier than now.

    We see events now, which happenend the longer ago the further away.

    It is therefore patently irrelevant, what the observer sees, because
    these impressions are pictures, we receive from the past.

    The 'real thing' is supposed to exist, but remains invisible for a long
    time.

    This 'real thing' is invisible, but real, while our impressions are
    visible, but not real.

    We would need to correct this error 'by hand', because we cannot see,
    what is happening now.

    Such a correction isn't that difficult, since we only need to take the
    delay into consideration.

    A certain shell around the observer represents a certain set of points,
    from where we receive simultaneous signals at the same time.

    For other shells further away or closer to us, we need to add or
    subtract the delay relative to that shell mentioned above.

    If we reduce that shell to zero radius, we would need to measure only delay.

    This delay should be used to compensate the time needed for signals to
    travel from remote events to the observers.

    What is happening now, that will be seen with such a delay later.

    Therefore, the (hyperplane of the) present is real, but cannot be seen,

    It is constructed by assuming a hypothetical signal, which needs no time
    to travel, hence is here once emitted.


    This does not exist, but that doesn't matter for a definition.


    TH

    ..



    It is a pity that you do not understand, or do not want to understand the theory of relativity Hachel version, yet much simpler, logical, and
    without paradox (the Langevin paradox, the Andromeda paradox, and the Erheinfest paradox do not exist in Hachel).
    You still do not understand the notion of relativity of simultaneity and
    it is a great pity.
    We observe the universe live, as paradoxical as it may seem, and the
    belief in a light that takes years to reach us is only due to a misunderstanding of spatiotemporal geometry.

    It is the child who is right about the big relativist bigwig.

    A child who sees a star (let's say Sirius) does not ask himself the
    question of whether what he sees is real or not, or whether Sirius has not existed for years...

    And it is the child who is right, everything is given live (in a vacuum).

    The huge blunder of the physicists is intellectual, and not experimental.
    They will lay a wire coupled to a source A and another, coupled to a
    source B.

    Then they will launch an electromagnetic signal from A to B.

    They do not notice that they are neither in A nor in B, but placed
    transversely to the flow of information. This is what I have been
    explaining for 40 years, and for 40 years, it would seem that relativistic religiosity is so fierce that no one WANTS to understand, while it is at
    the intellectual level of a middle school student.

    Transversely, in my hyperplane of present, of simultaneity, I will notice
    that t=AB/c and I will decree that the speed of light is v=c.

    However, I should rather write Vo=c (because it is only what I observe
    from my transverse position, and NEVER longitudinal).

    Physicists do not realize that the light of Sirius is instantaneous, that Sirius IS in my present moment, and that we are FOR ME, in perfect
    simultaneity of existence.

    This horse in this meadow, this moon in this sky, this galaxy in this
    telescope are observed live.

    The error consists in putting oneself in a transverse position (where I am not!!!) and saying, I see the light of Sirius moving from Sirius towards
    the earth at speed c. This would be true, but this observer is not ME.

    For me, it is a false and abstract idea linked to a lack of knowledge of
    the theory of relativity as it should have been taught for 120 years, and
    which has been going around in circles for 120 years, full of paradox,
    because we form an abstract image of the real nature of electromagnetic interactions which are FOR the receiver instantaneous, and which for the distant transverse observer, take the form of a wave of present which
    moves at c.

    Do you understand?

    It is very important to understand.

    Anyone who does not understand this basis will go around in circles for
    another 120 years...

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 5 09:54:29 2024
    Le 05/10/2024 à 09:35, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Donnerstag000003, 03.10.2024 um 14:41 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 03/10/2024 à 09:09, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    My explanation stems from a usualy Minkowski diagramm (the one with a
    light cone).

    This stupid diagram should no longer be used.

    Why? ? ?

    I personally think, that Minkowski's version of relativity was actually correct.

    TH

    There are two reasons to abandon the current view of RR and Minkowski's
    work.

    The first reason is that it is ugly, cumbersome, quite abstract and
    difficult to understand for the young student.

    The second reason is even more dramatic: what does it really give for
    uniformly accelerated frames or rotating frames?

    Dr. Hachel claims that everything becomes physically and experimentally
    false.

    So where is the interest?

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 09:56:05 2024
    Am Samstag000005, 05.10.2024 um 12:14 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 05/10/2024 à 09:52, Thomas Heger a écrit :


    Sure:

    The observer see remote events 'live'.

    But he sees remote events also delayed!

    What we see in the night sky is NOT happening now, but earlier than now.

    We see events now, which happenend the longer ago the further  away.

    It is therefore patently irrelevant, what the observer sees, because
    these impressions are pictures, we receive from the past.

    The 'real thing' is supposed to exist, but remains invisible for a
    long time.

    This 'real thing' is invisible, but real, while our impressions are
    visible, but not real.

    We would need to correct this error 'by hand', because we cannot see,
    what is happening now.

    Such a correction isn't that difficult, since we only need to take the
    delay into consideration.

    A certain shell around the observer represents a certain set of
    points, from where we receive simultaneous signals at the same time.

    For other shells further away or closer to us, we need to add or
    subtract the delay relative to that shell mentioned above.

    If we reduce that shell to zero radius, we would need to measure only
    delay.

    This delay should be used to compensate the time needed for signals to
    travel from remote events to the observers.

    What is happening now, that will be seen with such a delay later.

    Therefore, the (hyperplane of the) present is real, but cannot be seen,

    It is constructed by assuming a hypothetical signal, which needs no
    time to travel, hence is here once emitted.


    This does not exist, but that doesn't matter for a definition.


    TH

    ..



    It is a pity that you do not understand, or do not want to understand
    the theory of relativity Hachel version, yet much simpler, logical, and without paradox (the Langevin paradox, the Andromeda paradox, and the Erheinfest paradox do not exist in Hachel).
    You still do not understand the notion of relativity of simultaneity and
    it is a great pity.

    You want to say, that we can see galaxies right now and in real time,
    which are billions of light years away???

    This would require a speed of light of infinity!

    I do, however, think, that lightspeed is finite.

    I personally use a different picture and regard velocity as an angle (in spacetime).

    The 'angle' is 45° in a Minkowski diagramm.

    This generates what we call 'light cone' and those cones are based on
    the equality of timelike and spacelike 'steps'.

    For instantaneuos travel of signals I see no reason.


    We observe the universe live, as paradoxical as it may seem, and the
    belief in a light that takes years to reach us is only due to a misunderstanding of spatiotemporal geometry.

    It is the child who is right about the big relativist bigwig.

    A child who sees a star (let's say Sirius) does not ask himself the
    question of whether what he sees is real or not, or whether Sirius has
    not existed for years...

    And it is the child who is right, everything is given live (in a vacuum).

    The huge blunder of the physicists is intellectual, and not experimental. They will lay a wire coupled to a source A and another, coupled to a
    source B.

    Then they will launch an electromagnetic signal from A to B.

    They do not notice that they are neither in A nor in B, but placed transversely to the flow of information. This is what I have been
    explaining for 40 years, and for 40 years, it would seem that
    relativistic religiosity is so fierce that no one WANTS to understand,
    while it is at the intellectual level of a middle school student.

    Transversely, in my hyperplane of present, of simultaneity, I will
    notice that t=AB/c and I will decree that the speed of light is v=c.

    However, I should rather write Vo=c (because it is only what I observe
    from my transverse position, and NEVER longitudinal).

    Physicists do not realize that the light of Sirius is instantaneous,
    that Sirius IS in my present moment, and that we are FOR ME, in perfect simultaneity of existence.

    This horse in this meadow, this moon in this sky, this galaxy in this telescope are observed live.
    ???

    We have speed of light, haven't we?

    So, how do you come to 'instantaneous'?
    ...


    TH

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 11:49:58 2024
    Le 06/10/2024 à 09:55, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    ? ? ?

    We have speed of light, haven't we?

    So, how do you come to 'instantaneous'?
    ...

    It is the structure of space-time that makes things as they are, but as
    the human mind does not want them to be.

    The pack spirit is most often a spirit of laziness.

    We do as the other does without asking questions, because it is painful
    and distressing, very tiring to ask questions, and man is naturally lazy
    (in civilian life, how many lazy people for one courageous man?)

    If someone tries to calculate the infinite speed of light, he will never
    be able to do it, and it will take a new Michelson to find an experiment capable of doing it (perhaps from the experiments of Alain Aspect).

    In the meantime, it is very complicated, and for 40 years, I have not
    found an idea to experiment to prove it.

    Certainly, if we place two watches at A and B, we will have t=AB/c but
    this equation can also be written t=AB.And where Et is the universal
    transverse spatial anisochrony.

    And what do I do when I calculate c, if not place myself in a transverse position each time?

    So we find in a circle.

    In any case, the concept that I give is certain, because it alone explains
    the Langevin paradox in a truly credible way (which avoids the unjustified objections of cranks and anti-relativists).

    If you want a correct reasoning, you are obliged to go through the
    relativistic zoom effect, and this cannot be done either without an instantaneous interaction of light in the longitudinal direction.

    I repeat, there exists for each observer, each entity of the universe a hyperplane of simultaneity. Everyone agrees on that.

    But for me, it is personal, relative.

    All the elements of a given frame have their own.

    Physicists do not want to hear this.

    They then come to imagine an abstract and false theory, with a common and absolute present time hyperplane for the entire frame.

    This is obviously ridiculous and the opposite is easily demonstrable mathematically since we have a mathematical absurdity on apparent speeds),
    but not experimentally for the moment.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 6 11:36:36 2024
    Le 06/10/2024 à 09:55, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000005, 05.10.2024 um 12:14 schrieb Richard Hachel:

    it is a great pity.

    You want to say, that we can see galaxies right now and in real time,
    which are billions of light years away? ? ?

    Absolutely...

    This would require a speed of light of infinity!

    Is that what I said.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 23:27:19 2024
    W dniu 07.10.2024 o 23:10, JanPB pisze:
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and the
    very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize
    two watches so that they give the same time at the same present moment?

    A little explanation would have been welcome.

    Of course, in a Newtonian universe, it is not difficult.

    But in a relativistic universe where each observer has his own
    hyperplane
    of present time?

    A slightly blurred line in Poincaré.

    Five lines in Einstein who thereby succeeds in the feat of evading the
    anisochronous question.

    Nothing in Jean-Pierre Messager (the great critic of modern science).

    One would think one was dreaming.

    R.H.

    Pick a different hobby. This is simply not your thing,
    you keep forever spinning wheels, same thing over and over which
    is not even wrong. Just gobbledygook.

    Just like other relativistic idiots.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 21:46:42 2024
    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:10, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Just gobbledygook.

    Voilà un mot bien hardi envers le docteur Hachel, et surtout bien
    injuste.

    Personne n'a jamais attaqué autant que moi, le brouillard des idées abstraites.

    Il est d'ailleurs très étrange que vous utilisiez ce mot "gobbledygook" contre moi.

    C'est comme si vous disiez à Mozart qu'il ne connait pas les notes, ou
    à Hugo qu'il ne sait pas écrire.

    Quel terme ne comprenez vous pas? Où avez vous vu des agencements de
    mots incompréhensibles?

    Vous adorez, vous, une théorie biaiseuse et mal défini que personne ne
    peut clairement comprendre
    (en comprendre la mathématique n'est pas en comprendre le concept
    physique) et où existe des tas de contradictions, de paradoxes (les trois fameux déjà cités), et de contradictions.

    Tout cela j'essaie de le nettoyer pour rendre une version beaucoup plus
    claire et plus vrai.

    Vous pouvez bien sûr trouver ça "gobbledygook".

    Mais c'est VOTRE point de vue et celui de personnes qui ne veulent rien entendre de neuf et surtout de dérangeant.


    Jan

    R.H.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 7 23:40:42 2024
    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:46, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:10, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Just gobbledygook.

    Voilà un mot bien hardi envers le docteur Hachel

    But yet so true.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 09:41:55 2024
    Am Sonntag000006, 06.10.2024 um 13:49 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    ...
    In any case, the concept that I give is certain, because it alone
    explains the Langevin paradox in a truly credible way (which avoids the unjustified objections of cranks and anti-relativists).

    If you want a correct reasoning, you are obliged to go through the relativistic zoom effect, and this cannot be done either without an instantaneous interaction of light in the longitudinal direction.

    I repeat, there exists for each observer, each entity of the universe a hyperplane of simultaneity. Everyone agrees on that.

    But for me, it is personal, relative.

    All the elements of a given frame have their own.

    Physicists do not want to hear this.

    They then come to imagine an abstract and false theory, with a common
    and absolute present time hyperplane for the entire frame.

    This is obviously ridiculous and the opposite is easily demonstrable mathematically since we have a mathematical absurdity on apparent
    speeds), but not experimentally for the moment.

    I do not want to insist on my own ideas, but had the concept of local
    time, too.

    The axis of time is in my own picture imaginarary and can be rotated,
    that the asis of time points into the realm with real valued coordinates
    a bit.

    This would alter the relations between space and time and also the
    relation between matter and fields.

    This is a very unusual concept and most people neither understand nor
    like the idea.

    VERY unusual is actually 'backwards time', which is possible in my
    concept, because the 'elements of spacetime' are assumed to behave 'anti-symmetric'.

    This is like a quaternion multiplication, which would need two turns to
    return to the initial state.

    After one turn, the axis of time points backwards (if seen from a world
    with 'positive' time).

    Now both 'worlds' exist at the same place and the same time, but one
    world is visible and the other is not.

    Now we could assume kind of 'feedback-loops' between such realms and
    standing waves as a result.

    Such (timelike stable) 'standing rotation waves' are, about what I
    assume, that we call that 'matter'.


    see here:

    https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing

    TH

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 10:33:18 2024
    W dniu 08.10.2024 o 09:41, Thomas Heger pisze:
    Am Sonntag000006, 06.10.2024 um 13:49 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    ...
    In any case, the concept that I give is certain, because it alone
    explains the Langevin paradox in a truly credible way (which avoids
    the unjustified objections of cranks and anti-relativists).

    If you want a correct reasoning, you are obliged to go through the
    relativistic zoom effect, and this cannot be done either without an
    instantaneous interaction of light in the longitudinal direction.

    I repeat, there exists for each observer, each entity of the universe
    a hyperplane of simultaneity. Everyone agrees on that.

    But for me, it is personal, relative.

    All the elements of a given frame have their own.

    Physicists do not want to hear this.

    They then come to imagine an abstract and false theory, with a common
    and absolute present time hyperplane for the entire frame.

    This is obviously ridiculous and the opposite is easily demonstrable
    mathematically since we have a mathematical absurdity on apparent
    speeds), but not experimentally for the moment.

    I do not want to insist on my own ideas, but had the concept of local
    time, too.

    I've told you already: feel fre to name
    your Great Mystical Youdontknowwhat with
    any word you want, just leave "time" alone,
    this one already has a meaning and it is
    important.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 8 12:38:31 2024
    Le 08/10/2024 à 01:40, Python a écrit :
    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:46, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:10, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Just gobbledygook.

    Voilà un mot bien hardi envers le docteur Hachel

    But yet so true.

    Ca ne vaudra jamais tes explications sur les vitesses apparentes
    relativistes, le temps propre des objets accélérés, et le rôle des critiques bretons placés en univers hachéliens.

    gobbledygook de chez gobbledygook, épicétou.

    R.H.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Wed Oct 9 12:43:14 2024
    On 2024-10-07 21:46:42 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:10, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Just gobbledygook.

    Voilà un mot bien hardi envers le docteur Hachel, et surtout bien injuste.

    If you don't like that word then learn to use the Common Language.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 9 12:28:27 2024
    Le 09/10/2024 à 11:43, Mikko a écrit :
    On 2024-10-07 21:46:42 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:10, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Just gobbledygook.

    Voilà un mot bien hardi envers le docteur Hachel, et surtout bien injuste.

    If you don't like that word then learn to use the Common Language.

    Dr. Richard Hachel is probably one of the Usenet posters most attached to
    the meaning of language and most saddened by the fog of words.
    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for the novice, or even the big shot, to understand what he himself is saying (the relativistic Joe Biden phenomenon).
    I have never introduced words, principles, or concepts without a precise
    idea of ​​what I was saying.
    And if you look closely, I have only introduced two new words (anisochrony
    and chronotropy) and four new concepts (elasticity of distances which is responsible for a spatial zoom effect definitively explaining the Langevin paradox, more accurate calculation of the proper times of accelerated
    objects, radial contraction of the relativistic disk,
    vision of the universe live for any observer).
    There are words that I use, but you also use them like "relativistic barycenter, relativistic apparent velocity, hyperplane of simultaneity"
    and these words are important to use, and I am not the one who invented
    them.
    There remains the problem, perhaps important, of my very poor knowledge of English, and the difficulties that can arise in the translation of words
    like reference frame, frame of reference, etc., which do not always mean
    the same thing in French.

    A last word: the term reference frame is itself quite screwy if we
    consider that time is not absolute, not chronotropy, which is obviously
    equal throughout the frame of reference, but the simultaneity of
    existence. Thus, a (3D) reference frame remains identical by translation,
    or even a Newtonian (4D) reference frame. But a relativistic reference
    frame explodes if we want to perform a translation there, each observer
    having his own, with his own non-negotiable present time hyperplane.


    N.B. Je suis en train de réaliser un petit pdf très simple (niveau
    collège) portant pour titre :
    "la relativité de la simultanéité en relativité restreinte et la synchronisation des horloges".

    C'est le B A BA de tout article traitant de la relativité restreinte.

    J'aimerai trouver quelqu'un qui s'associe à l'article en le critiquant positivement, sinon c'est pas la peine, et qui possède les capacité de
    le traduire en américain, chose que je ne peux pas faire sans y laisser
    de possibles coquilles.

    R.H.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Thu Oct 10 11:01:49 2024
    On 2024-10-09 12:28:27 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 09/10/2024 à 11:43, Mikko a écrit :
    On 2024-10-07 21:46:42 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 07/10/2024 à 23:10, film.art@gmail.com (JanPB) a écrit :
    On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 22:52:42 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Just gobbledygook.

    Voilà un mot bien hardi envers le docteur Hachel, et surtout bien injuste. >>
    If you don't like that word then learn to use the Common Language.

    Dr. Richard Hachel is probably one of the Usenet posters most attached
    to the meaning of language and most saddened by the fog of words.

    The important thing to learn is not the meanings of the words but the
    words of the meanings.

    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words
    are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real world.
    For that purpose one should use well known words as much as possible and definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for
    the novice, or even the big shot, to understand what he himself is
    saying (the relativistic Joe Biden phenomenon).

    The concepts of SR are not foggy. If some presentation is then try some
    other one or ask here.

    I have never introduced words, principles, or concepts without a
    precise idea of ​​what I was saying.

    An idea is not sufficient. The best option is to avoid introduction of
    new words and the second best to present good definitions. New principles
    are not principles of SR so not applicable in this context. New concepts
    must be related to the original ones. If that cannot be done they are
    not relevant in this context.

    And if you look closely, I have only introduced two new words
    (anisochrony and chronotropy) and four new concepts (elasticity of
    distances which is responsible for a spatial zoom effect definitively explaining the Langevin paradox, more accurate calculation of the
    proper times of accelerated objects, radial contraction of the
    relativistic disk,
    vision of the universe live for any observer).

    And they have served no useful purpose.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 10 12:33:14 2024
    Le 10/10/2024 à 10:01, Mikko a écrit :
    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words
    are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real world.
    For that purpose one should use well known words as much as possible and definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for

    It is sometimes the fog of concepts that can generate the fog of words.
    I think that this is what has been happening first in relativity since
    1905.
    Henri Poincaré had given the right equations, of great mathematical and physical perfection (mathematics must be applied to physical reality).
    We have the right equations, we know that it works, but we do not
    understand why it works.
    The equations then become covered in a fog of words, and no one has clear
    ideas anymore.
    Let us ask a relativist to show us a photograph of what a novice or a seven-year-old child would see of a relativistic rotating disk, and he is completely unable not only to draw it, but to have any idea of ​​it,
    even a vague one.
    We have here a fog of words, a fog of concepts, a fog of (false)
    equations.
    Let's ask a relativist to explain why Stella will live nine years during
    her return, and why Terrence will live fifteen years, and the physicist
    will say that there is "a dilation of time", and will pose the equation t'=t/sqrt(1-v²/c²). And he will start to think that it is not vague,
    that it is very simple, that there is no fog there. However, everything he
    says is already BEGINNING to be false, and if we tease a little, the fog
    will thicken in his mind, until it becomes intolerable and plunges him
    into arrogance and hatred; the fog of words and equations leading to human reactions.
    So we will ask him over what distance this return is played out.
    There, the fog will thicken a little more. He will say: there is a
    contraction of distances so D'=D.sqrt(1-v²/c²), or 7.2 ly instead of
    12al.
    Which is already a huge fog, not of equation, but of concept.
    We are talking about contraction of distances, where Hachel, who sees more clearly,
    talks about elasticity of lengths and distances.
    The fog will thicken even more if we ask what will be the apparent speed
    of the earth (we have seen how Python, yet a great international critic,
    loses his mind) in the Stella frame of reference.
    However, the good physicist will see very clearly that this apparent speed
    of the earth, which is hurtling towards Stella, will be Vapp=4c.
    And he will pose an equation that this time is clear and obvious: Vapp=v/(1+cosµ.v/c)
    Here, the fog of concepts is no longer manageable, and only the clarity of words will be able to show it: "How do you explain that Stella sees the
    earth coming back on her with an apparent speed of 4c, over a distance of
    7.2 al, and for nine years?"
    It is obvious that this simple question shows how Hachel's concepts are of great clarity, while physicists swim in a conceptual fog, and are forced
    to go through the fog of words to define their biased concepts, or the
    negation of the question, which allows them not to answer, never to answer
    (or nonsense).

    And I'm not talking about the rotating disk, and I'm not talking about the proper time of objects in uniformly accelerated motion, and I'm not
    talking about the Langevin paradox (very poorly and very incompletely explained), the Andromeda war paradox, and the Ehrenfest paradox, where everyone drowns.

    All this is in a great fog that is not known, and in the intimate
    conviction of the physicist who BELIEVES that he understands something,
    and who in reality understands nothing at all except vague unclear ideas.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 11 09:43:49 2024
    Am Dienstag000008, 08.10.2024 um 10:33 schrieb Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.10.2024 o 09:41, Thomas Heger pisze:
    Am Sonntag000006, 06.10.2024 um 13:49 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    ...
    In any case, the concept that I give is certain, because it alone
    explains the Langevin paradox in a truly credible way (which avoids
    the unjustified objections of cranks and anti-relativists).

    If you want a correct reasoning, you are obliged to go through the
    relativistic zoom effect, and this cannot be done either without an
    instantaneous interaction of light in the longitudinal direction.

    I repeat, there exists for each observer, each entity of the universe
    a hyperplane of simultaneity. Everyone agrees on that.

    But for me, it is personal, relative.

    All the elements of a given frame have their own.

    Physicists do not want to hear this.

    They then come to imagine an abstract and false theory, with a common
    and absolute present time hyperplane for the entire frame.

    This is obviously ridiculous and the opposite is easily demonstrable
    mathematically since we have a mathematical absurdity on apparent
    speeds), but not experimentally for the moment.

    I do not want to insist on my own ideas, but had the concept of local
    time, too.

    I've told you already: feel fre to name
    your Great Mystical Youdontknowwhat with
    any word you want, just leave "time" alone,
    this one already has a meaning and it is
    important.


    I was thinkering around with various concepts about relativity and
    found, that 'local time' would be best.

    This wasn't based on any other influence, but was my assumption, which I regarded as appropriate for SRT and GR.

    So, I took 'local time' for granted and didn't regard this as a big deal.

    Sure, there are other ideas floating around, too.

    But in 'my world' time should be a local parameter.

    The opposite idea was the concept of Newton, who regarded time as
    uniform and universaly valid.

    My view was therefore 'relativistic' enough (at least enough for me).

    Interstingly, the time-concept of Einstein in his SRT version is not 'relativistic', but actually 'Newtonian'.


    TH

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 11 11:52:31 2024
    W dniu 11.10.2024 o 11:28, Mikko pisze:
    On 2024-10-10 12:33:14 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 10/10/2024 à 10:01, Mikko a écrit :
    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words
    are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real world.
    For that purpose one should use well known words as much as possible and >>> definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for

    It is sometimes the fog of concepts that can generate the fog of words.
    I think that this is what has been happening first in relativity since
    1905.
    Henri Poincaré had given the right equations, of great mathematical
    and physical perfection (mathematics must be applied to physical
    reality).
    We have the right equations, we know that it works, but we do not
    understand why it works.

    Special Relativity does not try to answer why God created the world the
    way He did. It only attempts to describe how the world behaves, and only about certain aspects of that behaviour.

    Nope. Instead how the world behaves - The Shit
    is describing some delusions of some religious
    maniacs.
    Anyone can check GPS, the behaviour of the real
    clocks remains asi t always was. t'=t.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Fri Oct 11 12:28:35 2024
    On 2024-10-10 12:33:14 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 10/10/2024 à 10:01, Mikko a écrit :
    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words
    are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real world.
    For that purpose one should use well known words as much as possible and
    definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for

    It is sometimes the fog of concepts that can generate the fog of words.
    I think that this is what has been happening first in relativity since 1905. Henri Poincaré had given the right equations, of great mathematical and physical perfection (mathematics must be applied to physical reality).
    We have the right equations, we know that it works, but we do not
    understand why it works.

    Special Relativity does not try to answer why God created the world the
    way He did. It only attempts to describe how the world behaves, and only
    about certain aspects of that behaviour.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 11 12:15:01 2024
    Le 11/10/2024 à 11:28, Mikko a écrit :
    understand why it works.

    Special Relativity does not try to answer why God created the world the
    way He did. It only attempts to describe how the world behaves, and only about certain aspects of that behaviour.

    Mikko

    The problem is that SR does it wrong.
    It is not wrong to treat things, but it is wrong to treat them badly.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 11 13:01:25 2024
    Le 11/10/2024 à 09:43, Thomas Heger a écrit :

    I was thinkering around with various concepts about relativity and
    found, that 'local time' would be best.

    This wasn't based on any other influence, but was my assumption, which I regarded as appropriate for SRT and GR.

    So, I took 'local time' for granted and didn't regard this as a big deal.

    Sure, there are other ideas floating around, too.

    But in 'my world' time should be a local parameter.

    The opposite idea was the concept of Newton, who regarded time as
    uniform and universaly valid.

    My view was therefore 'relativistic' enough (at least enough for me).

    Interstingly, the time-concept of Einstein in his SRT version is not 'relativistic', but actually 'Newtonian'.


    TH

    Indeed, the notion of simultaneity in Einstein remains very Newtonian, he "admits" a universal present time hyperplane inside (I do not say outside
    but inside) any inertial frame of reference (the word being moreover
    improper in French).
    This is obviously false and not very relativistic, because the theory of relativity, as it should be taught, implies a relative simultaneity
    between Romeo and Juliet, yet seated wisely on their benches, thirty
    meters apart.
    As misfortune never comes alone, physicists will then push the error even further, and say that simultaneity is relative by change of frame of
    reference! This is false. Two observers, at the very moment of their
    crossing have the same time component for their hyperplane of
    simultaneity. This plane is simply deformed in x.

    In short, the following prophecy has arrived: "They will say everything
    upside down".

    Here, it is obvious, since the position is judged isochronous, and the
    speed giving a relative simultaneity of universes. While it is the
    opposite: simultaneity depends on the position, chronotropy depends on the speed.

    I have been begging physicists to understand this for 40 years.

    Impossible.

    Their stupidity has become universal.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 08:40:33 2024
    Am Freitag000011, 11.10.2024 um 11:28 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-10-10 12:33:14 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 10/10/2024 à 10:01, Mikko a écrit :
    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words
    are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real world.
    For that purpose one should use well known words as much as possible and >>> definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for

    It is sometimes the fog of concepts that can generate the fog of words.
    I think that this is what has been happening first in relativity since
    1905.
    Henri Poincaré had given the right equations, of great mathematical
    and physical perfection (mathematics must be applied to physical
    reality).
    We have the right equations, we know that it works, but we do not
    understand why it works.

    Special Relativity does not try to answer why God created the world the
    way He did. It only attempts to describe how the world behaves, and only about certain aspects of that behaviour.

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes isn't
    the world we live in.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void, in which any given velocity is indistiushable from being
    at rest and where all things move along a streight line.

    That not quite how the real world functions.

    In that real world there are, for instance, no streight lines.

    TH

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Thomas Heger on Sat Oct 12 12:05:01 2024
    On 2024-10-12 06:40:33 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000011, 11.10.2024 um 11:28 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-10-10 12:33:14 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 10/10/2024 à 10:01, Mikko a écrit :
    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words >>>> are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real world. >>>> For that purpose one should use well known words as much as possible and >>>> definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for

    It is sometimes the fog of concepts that can generate the fog of words.
    I think that this is what has been happening first in relativity since 1905.
    Henri Poincaré had given the right equations, of great mathematical and >>> physical perfection (mathematics must be applied to physical reality).
    We have the right equations, we know that it works, but we do not
    understand why it works.

    Special Relativity does not try to answer why God created the world the
    way He did. It only attempts to describe how the world behaves, and only
    about certain aspects of that behaviour.

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes isn't
    the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its matter content except that the matter content must be compatible with the geometry.

    in which any given velocity is indistiushable from being at rest

    Only for velicities less than the speed of light.

    and where all things move along a streight line.

    It does not say that.

    That not quite how the real world functions.

    Your strawman is not. SR comes closer.

    In that real world there are, for instance, no streight lines.

    You cannot know that there are no invisible streight lines somewhere.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 11:56:56 2024
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes isn't
    the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its matter content except that the matter content must be compatible with the geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    Which is absurd.

    We must therefore understand why it is absurd, and why it is at the same
    time true.

    I have explained these things. These things represent the very basis of
    the whole theory, and they extend not only to Galilean frames of reference
    in uniform translations, but also to rotating frames of reference, and to uniformly accelerated frames of reference.

    I have also explained the Langevin paradox, the Andromeda paradox, and the Ehrenfest paradox.

    The solution that we have been struggling with since 1905 is incredibly
    simple, and it is very disconcerting to see that the human mind
    voluntarily, stubbornly, refuses to validate it.

    Probably artificial intelligence will soon be able to come into play, and declare: "But what are you doing with your theory of relativity?
    Everything is dramatically obvious, how can you not understand how the
    nature of simultaneity works? How is it possible that for more than 120
    years you have said everything backwards and in complete, COMPLETE
    confusion?"

    Today's question, asked by Dr. Richard Hachel (Napoli Congress 2009):
    Do you know the reason why this mathematical absurdity is nevertheless
    true?

    W=v+c=c whatever v.

    A seven-year-old child, informed by Hachel, will start laughing.

    While the physicists, full of stupidity and arrogance, will drown.

    "A seven-year-old child will lead them" says the Bible.

    We must not spit on the prophecies of the ancients. They weren't that
    stupid.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 13:42:58 2024
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 11:05, Mikko pisze:
    On 2024-10-12 06:40:33 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

    Am Freitag000011, 11.10.2024 um 11:28 schrieb Mikko:
    On 2024-10-10 12:33:14 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 10/10/2024 à 10:01, Mikko a écrit :
    The fog of words can be largely avoided by the use of equations. Words >>>>> are only needed when the equations need be connected to the real
    world.
    For that purpose one should use well known words as much as
    possible and
    definitions whenever the usual dictionary meaning is too obscure or
    vague.

    Especially the fog of concepts in SR, where it is very difficult for >>>>
    It is sometimes the fog of concepts that can generate the fog of words. >>>> I think that this is what has been happening first in relativity
    since 1905.
    Henri Poincaré had given the right equations, of great mathematical
    and physical perfection (mathematics must be applied to physical
    reality).
    We have the right equations, we know that it works, but we do not
    understand why it works.

    Special Relativity does not try to answer why God created the world the
    way He did. It only attempts to describe how the world behaves, and only >>> about certain aspects of that behaviour.

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes isn't
    the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world.

    The world of gedanken delusions of some
    brainwashed morons; with the reality it has
    nothing in common.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 12:22:59 2024
    Le 12/10/2024 à 13:56, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes isn't
    the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its matter >> content except that the matter content must be compatible with the geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    It does not.

    Which is absurd.

    Indeed. But only you say that.

    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 15:11:03 2024
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 14:22, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 13:56, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes
    isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong. >>> SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its
    matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the
    geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    It does not.

    Which is absurd.

    Indeed. But only you say that.

    And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]



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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 15:45:19 2024
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 15:17, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 15:11, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 14:22, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 13:56, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes
    isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is
    wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that
    the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and >>>>>> starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its
    matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the
    geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    It does not.

    Which is absurd.

    Indeed. But only you say that.

    And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid

    Nobody rejected Euclid.

    Sure, sure. Even the idiots from
    your bunch of idiots are not THAT
    stupid, they only pretend they did.

    Anyway, - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 13:17:23 2024
    Le 12/10/2024 à 15:11, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 14:22, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 13:56, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes
    isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong. >>>> SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the >>>> world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its
    matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the
    geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    It does not.

    Which is absurd.

    Indeed. But only you say that.

    And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid

    Nobody rejected Euclid.

    poor stinker.

    Nice signature.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 13:56:44 2024
    Le 12/10/2024 à 15:45, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 15:17, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 15:11, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 14:22, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 13:56, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes >>>>>>> isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is
    wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that >>>>>> the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and >>>>>>> starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its >>>>>> matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the >>>>>> geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    It does not.

    Which is absurd.

    Indeed. But only you say that.

    And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid

    Nobody rejected Euclid.

    Sure, sure. Even [physicists]
    are not THAT
    stupid, they only pretend they did.

    Neither.

    Anyway, [boring idiotic rang]

    poor stinker.

    Nice signature.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 16:25:52 2024
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 15:56, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 15:45, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 15:17, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 15:11, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 12.10.2024 o 14:22, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 13:56, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes >>>>>>>> isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is >>>>>>> wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out
    that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark >>>>>>>> and starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about
    its matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with
    the geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-
    Morley experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    It does not.

    Which is absurd.

    Indeed. But only you say that.

    And whatever you say - Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid

    Nobody rejected Euclid.

    Sure, sure. Even [physicists]
     are not THAT
    stupid, they only pretend they did.

    Neither.

    Your impudent lie is just an impudent lie.
    Nothing else, of course, expected from
    such a piece of lying shit.
    Anyway, Poincare had enough wit
    to understand how idiotic rejecting Euclid
    would be, and he has written it clearly
    enough for anyone able to read (even if not
    clearly enough for you, poor stinker).

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 12 16:53:27 2024
    Le 12/10/2024 à 14:22, Python a écrit :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?-DK9cMvJKoOWvRyWbFfJzn69KKo@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]

    C'est clair.

    Tu ferais mieux de te taire.

    It wouldn't occur to me to say such nonsense.

    R.H.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 09:02:36 2024
    Am Samstag000012, 12.10.2024 um 13:56 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes
    isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its
    matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the
    geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    Which is absurd.

    No, it's not absurd.

    You need to think in terms of physical reality and ask yourself the
    question: why?

    Or: Why doesn't the speed of light depend on the velocity of the source?

    The reason must be: because speed of light isn't controlled by the
    source, but by the space inbetween source and receiver.

    This is an obvious requirement, anyhow, because if you would give it up,
    than all sorts of strange effect could emerge, which we do not observe.

    E.g.

    if the space itself would not controll the speed of light, than light
    could have different velocities in the wastness of the universe.

    Now, already a miniscule different velocity of light rays would add up
    to large discrepancies in the time of arival at a remote spote, where an observer would like to observe them.

    Since everything moves in the universe, we would encounter 'blur'
    effects, if light would not always maintain the same speed, because we
    could see rays originating from the same spot at different times.

    This would look, as if the e.g. star 'smeared out' and had a strange
    halo or similar, because the solar system moves and the entire galaxy
    rotates.

    ...


    TH

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 10:54:16 2024
    W dniu 13.10.2024 o 10:36, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 18:53, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 14:22, Python a écrit :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?-DK9cMvJKoOWvRyWbFfJzn69KKo@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]

     C'est clair.

     Tu ferais mieux de te taire.

     It wouldn't occur to me to say such nonsense.

     R.H.

    It is not nonsense, it the conclusion of what is demonstrated
    in the previous page :

    https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/blob/main/Hachel/ divagation_lengrand.pdf

    Moreover I've shown you how the same situation occurs with sound
    (Doppler effect on the return trip of an ambulance from an hospital
    back to you).

    You are mentally unable to even consider that you could have been
    wrong all these years.




    Neither you are; it doesn't change the fact
    that the mumble of your denying basic math
    guru was not even consistent.

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 08:36:00 2024
    Le 12/10/2024 à 18:53, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 14:22, Python a écrit :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?-DK9cMvJKoOWvRyWbFfJzn69KKo@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]

    C'est clair.

    Tu ferais mieux de te taire.

    It wouldn't occur to me to say such nonsense.

    R.H.

    It is not nonsense, it the conclusion of what is demonstrated
    in the previous page :

    https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/blob/main/Hachel/divagation_lengrand.pdf

    Moreover I've shown you how the same situation occurs with sound
    (Doppler effect on the return trip of an ambulance from an hospital
    back to you).

    You are mentally unable to even consider that you could have been
    wrong all these years. Nevertheless you were, and still are.

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  • From Mikko@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Sun Oct 13 11:59:11 2024
    On 2024-10-12 11:56:56 +0000, Richard Hachel said:

    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes isn't
    the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its matter >> content except that the matter content must be compatible with the geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley experiment.

    No, it is not. That experiment is not even mentioned in the original
    article. From other sources it is known that the Fizeau experiment
    was more important to Einstein but in the original article isn't
    mentioned, either. Apparently his intent was to understand the world
    and the Fizeau experiment was just a clue (and the Michelson-Morley
    experiment possibly another clue). The main problem was that Maxwell's equations are not compatible with the principle of relativity and that
    was the problem that Einstein solved.

    --
    Mikko

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 09:17:02 2024
    Le 13/10/2024 à 10:54, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 13.10.2024 o 10:36, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 18:53, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 14:22, Python a écrit :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?-DK9cMvJKoOWvRyWbFfJzn69KKo@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]

     C'est clair.

     Tu ferais mieux de te taire.

     It wouldn't occur to me to say such nonsense.

     R.H.

    It is not nonsense, it the conclusion of what is demonstrated
    in the previous page :

    https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/blob/main/Hachel/
    divagation_lengrand.pdf

    Moreover I've shown you how the same situation occurs with sound
    (Doppler effect on the return trip of an ambulance from an hospital
    back to you).

    You are mentally unable to even consider that you could have been
    wrong all these years.




    Neither you are; it doesn't change the fact
    that the mumble of your denying basic math
    guru was not even consistent.

    There is no deny of any kind of math in SR, quite the
    opposite actually. Moreover SR has been proven consistent.

    Whinings from demented kooks such as you or Lengrand/Hachel
    cannot change facts.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 12:38:54 2024
    Le 13/10/2024 à 09:02, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000012, 12.10.2024 um 13:56 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes
    isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is wrong. >>> SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the
    world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its
    matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the
    geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    Which is absurd.

    No, it's not absurd.

    You need to think in terms of physical reality and ask yourself the
    question: why?

    Or: Why doesn't the speed of light depend on the velocity of the source?

    The reason must be: because speed of light isn't controlled by the
    source, but by the space inbetween source and receiver.

    This is an obvious requirement, anyhow, because if you would give it up,
    than all sorts of strange effect could emerge, which we do not observe.

    E.g.

    if the space itself would not controll the speed of light, than light
    could have different velocities in the wastness of the universe.

    Now, already a miniscule different velocity of light rays would add up
    to large discrepancies in the time of arival at a remote spote, where an observer would like to observe them.

    Since everything moves in the universe, we would encounter 'blur'
    effects, if light would not always maintain the same speed, because we
    could see rays originating from the same spot at different times.

    This would look, as if the e.g. star 'smeared out' and had a strange
    halo or similar, because the solar system moves and the entire galaxy rotates.

    ...


    TH

    The general law of addition of observable speeds, I gave it here.

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?4VPmaNpqsPlb29iOg3IiI20ZiA0@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    It is also the same law as that used by relativistic physicists, but
    written a little differently, the results being obviously equivalent.


    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?4VPmaNpqsPlb29iOg3IiI20ZiA0@jntp/Data.Media:2>

    We notice that the speeds do not add up in a Newtonian way, but in a relativistic way, and that nothing, whatever we do, can exceed c.

    The question that arises is: "Why did we arrive at this strange equation?"

    We can only understand it if we KNOW that the speed of light is an anisochronous decoy, while in principle the electromagnetic transaction is instantaneous.

    It becomes obvious that a decoy added to a decoy is not going to
    facilitate the fact that 0.2c+0.4c will make 0.6c.

    It is as simple as that.

    R.H.

    --
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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 13 14:16:09 2024
    W dniu 13.10.2024 o 11:17, Python pisze:
    Le 13/10/2024 à 10:54, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :
    W dniu 13.10.2024 o 10:36, Python pisze:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 18:53, M.D. Richard "Hachel" Lengrand a écrit :
    Le 12/10/2024 à 14:22, Python a écrit :

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?-DK9cMvJKoOWvRyWbFfJzn69KKo@jntp/Data.Media:1> >>>>
    [snip idiotic gobbledigook]

     C'est clair.

     Tu ferais mieux de te taire.

     It wouldn't occur to me to say such nonsense.

     R.H.

    It is not nonsense, it the conclusion of what is demonstrated
    in the previous page :

    https://gitlab.com/python_431/cranks-and-physics/-/blob/main/Hachel/
    divagation_lengrand.pdf

    Moreover I've shown you how the same situation occurs with sound
    (Doppler effect on the return trip of an ambulance from an hospital
    back to you).

    You are mentally unable to even consider that you could have been
    wrong all these years.




    Neither you are; it doesn't change the fact
    that the mumble of your denying basic math
    guru was not even consistent.

    There is no deny of any kind of math in SR,

    A pity that your SR shit has some physical
    content too...



    quite the
    opposite actually. Moreover SR has been proven consistent.

    A lie, of course; its mathematical part
    was.
    And, well, I've pointed directly 2 denying
    themself predictions. Not that a direct
    logical proof can affect blind faith of
    a fanatic religious maniac, of course.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 10:12:56 2024
    Am Sonntag000013, 13.10.2024 um 14:38 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 13/10/2024 à 09:02, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Am Samstag000012, 12.10.2024 um 13:56 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 12/10/2024 à 11:05, Mikko a écrit :

    This is actually not true, because the world which SRT describes
    isn't the world we live in.

    A failed attempt is still an attempt. Therefore your "because" is
    wrong.
    SR is an attempt to describe the world. Later it was found out that the >>>> world is different but that does not affect what SR is.

    SRT is about a world, where all thinfgs drift around in a dark and
    starless void,

    No, it is not. SR is about the geometry of the world, not about its
    matter
    content except that the matter content must be compatible with the
    geometry.

    SR is first and foremost an attempt to explain the Michelson-Morley
    experiment.

    The calculation shows that, according to the experiment, w=v+c=c

    Which is absurd.

    No, it's not absurd.

    You need to think in terms of physical reality and ask yourself the
    question: why?

    Or: Why doesn't the speed of light depend on the velocity of the source?

    The reason must be: because speed of light isn't controlled by the
    source, but by the space inbetween source and receiver.

    This is an obvious requirement, anyhow, because if you would give it
    up, than all sorts of strange effect could emerge, which we do not
    observe.

    E.g.

    if the space itself would not controll the speed of light, than light
    could have different velocities in the wastness of the universe.

    Now, already a miniscule different velocity of light rays would add up
    to large discrepancies in the time of arival at a remote spote, where
    an observer would like to observe them.

    Since everything moves in the universe, we would encounter 'blur'
    effects, if light would not always maintain the same speed, because we
    could see rays originating from the same spot at different times.

    This would look, as if the e.g. star 'smeared out' and had a strange
    halo or similar, because the solar system moves and the entire galaxy
    rotates.

    ...


    TH

    The general law of addition of observable speeds, I gave it here.

    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?4VPmaNpqsPlb29iOg3IiI20ZiA0@jntp/Data.Media:1>

    It is also the same law as that used by relativistic physicists, but
    written a little differently, the results being obviously equivalent.


    <http://nemoweb.net/jntp?4VPmaNpqsPlb29iOg3IiI20ZiA0@jntp/Data.Media:2>

    We notice that the speeds do not add up in a Newtonian way, but in a relativistic way, and that nothing, whatever we do, can exceed c.

    If we use 'local time' and attatch the axis of time to the zero spot of
    the coordinate system and the observer, too, than all observers would be
    at rest (in respect to themselves) and could have all velocities
    imaginable (if seen from somewhere else).

    Therefore: the speed of light in vacuum 'c' is only a 'relative' speedlimit.

    It is, for instance, not possible, to push an object faster away than
    with c.

    But that object pushed away with almost c is actually at rest in its own
    frame of reference.

    From there it could push other objects away with almost c.

    These objects pushed away from the latter object have a velocity greater
    than c, relative to the first observer.


    The question that arises is: "Why did we arrive at this strange equation?"

    no idea...


    ...


    TH

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 11:55:27 2024
    Le 14/10/2024 à 13:38, Sylvia Else a écrit :
    On 01-Oct-24 6:52 am, Richard Hachel wrote:

    The relativity of simultaneity is a consequence of the theory of
    relativity.

    It is the opposite. The theory of relativity is the consequence of an
    anomaly of simultaneity by positional change in a given frame of
    reference, and a fortiori of a reciprocal anomaly of chronotropy by change
    of inertial frame of reference.

    It is derived from the Lorentz Transform,

    No. It's the opposite.

    and is precisely defined.

    Absolutly not.

    It is not a problem at all.

    No. YOU, Sylvia, you say that it is not problem at all.

    Sylvia.

    R.H.

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  • From Sylvia Else@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Mon Oct 14 19:38:00 2024
    On 01-Oct-24 6:52 am, Richard Hachel wrote:
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and the
    very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?


    The relativity of simultaneity is a consequence of the theory of
    relativity. It is derived from the Lorentz Transform, and is precisely
    defined.

    It is not a problem at all.

    Sylvia.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 14 15:16:45 2024
    W dniu 14.10.2024 o 13:38, Sylvia Else pisze:
    On 01-Oct-24 6:52 am, Richard Hachel wrote:
    One of the most fundamental problems in the history of humanity and
    the very basis of the notion of relativity of simultaneity: how to
    synchronize two watches so that they give the same time at the same
    present moment?


    The relativity of simultaneity is a consequence of the theory of
    relativity. It is derived from the Lorentz Transform, and is precisely defined.

    It is not a problem at all.

    Sure it is not - the madness of Your insane
    guru is simply ignored, the real clocks keep
    measuring t'=t and the simultaneity remains
    as it always was. Anyone can check GPS.

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