On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 8:57:52 +0000, Thomas Heger wrote:

Am Freitag000027, 27.12.2024 um 00:37 schrieb LaurenceClarkCrossen:

On Thu, 26 Dec 2024 23:18:50 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 26/12/2024 à 22:52, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit >>> :

On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:

How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?

When:
A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean
geometry.
B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
D. He never said who he got it from.

Answer:
He stole them from Hilbert.

Hilbert disagreed,

Jan

Hilbert did not disagree, as I have shown. Hilbert pointed out Einstein >>>> didn't author the field equations because he could not.

Einstein was a myth.

As Muhammad and Saint Paul.


R.H.

Yes, Einstein was a fake. And as you said, "what theory?"

I had a similar idea long ago.

I had studied Einstein life and his CV and found, that it didn't make
sense.

E.g. Einstein's family lived in Munich, when young Albert was still a
kid.

Then they moved to Italy and opened a new company there.

But Albert stayed in Munich for some years alone, to attend school
there.

But who would leave the eldest son alone in a different country??

Then Albert left school, declined German citizenship and went to Pavia, Italy, where his family lived at that time.

He was about 16 years old and had to go to school in Italy.

But apparently he didn't want, most likely he didn't speak Italian.

So he stayed there for some time, without going to school, despite he
had to.

Next door to the Einsteins in Pavia was a Jesuit facility. They write on their website, that young Albert lived next door for a year (what I
actually believe).

Now Albert went (alone again) to Aarau, Switzerland, to attend school
there.

But since when was this allowed by the Swiss, who are/were not friendly
to foreigners (especially Germans) at all.

Next to this Einstein went to the prestigious ETH in Zurich and studied there.

But that was even stranger, since he was actually a stateless alien.

He became Swiss soon, what was also astonishing.

Later he became an employee at the Swiss patent office.

This was quite extraordinary, since such state owned facilities contain usually secrets, which are usually kept away from foreigners.

Therefore 'patent clerks' are usually 'Beamte', as sworn in employees of
the government are called in German.

That kind of status was usually only available for born citizens.

Much mare convincing would be an alternative explanation of his life:

he WAS Swiss from birth and his CV was a fake.

This would also fit to his (apparent) ability to speak French fluently.

This is not well known, but many people spoke French, to which Einstein
had contact (possibly friendship).

This were, for instance:

Marie Curie
George LeMaitre
Henry Poincare
Langvin

He also attended the 'Solveig conference', which was held in French.

Therefore 'Swiss' would be a relatively good bet.

TH

Thanks, as that is all fascinating. I also regard relativity as fake,
primarily because it pretends to explain causation without actually
doing so.

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On Tue, 31 Dec 2024 20:06:50 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

On 12/31/2024 12:16 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

rhertz <hertz778@gmail.com> wrote:

On Sun, 29 Dec 2024 15:06:47 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Dec 2024 11:50:23 +0000, J. J. Lodder wrote:

LaurenceClarkCrossen <clzb93ynxj@att.net> wrote:

How did Einstein Develop his Field Equations?

When:
A. He admitted having little math and no ability in non-Euclidean >>>>>>> geometry.
B. He always relied on someone else to do his math.
C. He denied getting it from Hilbert.
D. He never said who he got it from.

Answer:
He stole them from Hilbert.

Hilbert disagreed,

Jan

Here are two other versions of the quote;

"Every street boy in Gottingen knows as much elliptical geometry as
Einstein. But the equations are his."

"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about
four-dimensional geometry than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein >>>>> did the work and not the mathematicians." — David Hilbert

There is only one way to interpret this. That is Hilbert pointing out >>>>> that obviously Einstein did not invent the field equations because he >>>>> could not.

That is your way, and it is obviously wrong.
Hilbert chides his fellow mathematicians, and hence himself,
for not having found the correct equation of general relativity,
despite their superior technical skills.
Hilbert goes on to state that:
In spite of that it was Einstein who got there.

You may guess what Hilbert did next: (see the ref supplied by RH)
====
On December 4th, Hilbert even nominated Einstein for election as a
corresponding member of the Göttingen Mathematical Society.
(So to his own backyard, where all those superior Gottingen
mathematicians dwelt. It was the highest honour he could bestow
personally)
====

Just what you would expect Hilbert to do,
if he considered Einstein an incompetent bungler
who had just stolen his results.

You had better forget about all this.
You are wrong about it, period.

Jan

Stop talking idiocies,

[snip abuse, and new irrelevancies]

Do you deny that the text I quoted is in the reference you gave?

Jan

In Huerter's book "Too Big for a Single Mind"
he says that Hilbert was always saying that
he came up with these before Einstein did.

He relays they were on friendly terms,
after quite a spat, about it.

Yet, at least some sources say Hilbert was first.

Einstein did not have the trace term Hilbert kept out of his letter to
Einstein giving him the equations before Einstein published. Although
Hilbert's talk was before Einstein's Hilbert published after him and
accused Hilbert of plagiarism. When Hilbert went to the printers to
get his proofs to show his priority the trace term had been made
illegible. Hilbert broke off relations with Einstein. Due to Hilbert's dependence on his university job and Einstein's powerful friends Hilbert
made the above quoted statement so as not to straightforwardly accuse
Einstein of plagiarism while clearly conveying to every honest person
that Einstein was guilty. - This accounting is reliant upon that of
Jeremy Fiennes in his new book "Einstein Unmasked" (c.2024) which is
carefully footnoted with primary sources.

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Ibram X. Kendi has a university chair, yet he is a nitwit. Obama got a
Nobel for doing nothing. Yasser Arafat got a Nobel prize for terrorist activities. Your argument amounts to an appeal to credentials or ad verecundium.

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On Fri, 3 Jan 2025 19:22:07 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

Le 03/01/2025 à 18:56, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

W dniu 03.01.2025 o 17:27, Richard Hachel pisze:

Le 03/01/2025 à 15:44, Maciej Wozniak a écrit :

W dniu 03.01.2025 o 14:38, J. J. Lodder pisze:

Or private teachers even before Gymnasium,
or autodidactic.

This is indeed the case. Einstein was extremely good at math,

But apart of that he was just an arrogant, mumbling
idiot.

He was above all a good copyist.

Nope, his madness was quite unique in the history
of mankind.

Je ne le dirais pas comme ça, Einstein était loin d'être fou.

Malhonnête, oui, un peu. Fou, surement pas.

En prenant la place de Poincaré, puis en le déformant plus qu'en le bonifiant, et en ne le citant jamais dans ses renvois, Albert Einstein
n'a
jamais été clair.

Lui même dira avant de mourir que le plus grand génie de l'histoire
était pour lui Poincaré, et qu'il avait lu ses livres avec totale
avidité.

Je pense qu'une certaine forme de délire de grandeur a fait le reste, poussé par la folie anglo-saxonne, qui, bien qu'antisémite parfois, a toujours préféré Einstein à Poincaré, à une époque om la domination intellectuelle du monde s'exerçait entre la France et l'Angleterre.

C'était à une époque d'avant guerre où l'Angleterre ne pouvait se permettre d'avouer que le plus grand génie de l'humanité était
français, ni que ses paquebots insubmersibles pouvaient se péter tout
seul en deux quatre jours après leur mise à flot au milieu de l'océan
(14 avril 1912).

L'histoire est ce qu'on en fait, pas ce qu'elle a réellement fournie.

Même déclassifiées, certaines choses ne sont jamais sorties, tant on
n'ose toujours pas les dire.

R.H.

Babylon translation: "I wouldn't put it like that, Einstein was far from
crazy. Dishonest, yes, a little. Crazy, surely not. By taking Poincaré's place, then distorting him more than improving him, and by never quoting
him in his references, Albert Einstein was never clear. He himself said
before he died that the greatest genius in history was Poincaré for him,
and that he had read his books with total avidity. I think that a
certain form of delirium of grandeur did the rest, driven by the
Anglo-Saxon madness, which, although anti-Semitic at times, always
preferred Einstein to Poincaré, at a time when the intellectual
domination of the world was exercised between France and England. It was
at a pre-war time when England could not afford to admit that the
greatest genius of mankind was French, nor that her unsinkable liners
could blow themselves in two four days after they were launched in the
middle of the ocean (April 14, 1912). History is what you make of it,
not what it actually provided. Even if declassified, some things have
never come out, as we still don't dare to say them. R.H."

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