• Re: Expansion and Inflation and Dark Energy and Redshift-Bias-Removal

    From Python@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 21:15:31 2024
    Le 27/12/2024 à 21:56, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
    Expansion and Inflation and Dark Energy and Redshift Bias Removal

    If you've been following along, for about a hundred and
    more years since Hubble there was observed a sort of
    red-shift bias, meaning distant galaxies appear to
    demonstrate a red-shift which according to Doppler
    means they recede, and that given the theory of
    stellar formation and pulsation, and the theory of
    hydrogen lines and standard candles, then it was
    really well figured out and quite tuned the theory,
    to arrive at estimates like the age of the universe,
    from taking averages and extrapolating backwards,
    and the Expansionary making for the Inflationary
    and making a very sensible theory called Big Bang.

    So, over time, then science found that there wasn't
    enough energy to explain all the receding. Much like
    science couldn't explain why galaxies like free-rotating
    platters weren't flying apart and thus had to add
    Dark Matter or not luminous matter to explain how
    gravity, which also isn't really a theory in those days,
    then for energy there's Dark Energy, enough to
    explain why things appear to be falling apart in
    the large, while holding together in the close.

    Over time, then these non-scientific non-explanations,
    mute matter say or false energy, well they started to
    grow more and more, until at some point it was
    reached "out non-scientific non-explanations now
    dominate the theory so obviously our theory is wrong".

    That is to say, ever since Dark Matter and Dark Energy
    were in the theory, it's _not_ the theory, of that without.

    Now, when talking about Dark Matter and Dark Energy,
    it's not to be read as about ethnicity, while of course
    human beings have ethnicities and that, just saying,
    when we say Dark Matter and Dark Energy, it's exactly
    the non-luminous, so un-detectable, matter, and,
    energy with same idea, non-observable non-scientific.
    So, that's just saying that the reasons why theory
    want to explain Dark Matter and Dark Energy as
    having reasons why their role in the theory is
    according to something else in the theory,
    is like so.


    So, red-shift bias is the idea "well what if all along
    the measurements get a red-shift _bias_ and we
    thought it was plain straight Doppler yet really
    it's something else", about Dark Energy. (Then,
    for Dark Matter it's actually a matter of mechanics,
    and so free rotating frames explain via a true
    centrifugal why it's to be explained what makes
    the role of Dark Matter in theories that are
    otherwise quite thoroughly broken because
    they don't have any way to say what it is.) So,
    the Dark Energy, then, if red-shift bias is explainable
    because it's more about "Fresnel and large lensing"
    and not about ideas like "tired light" or "lumpy space-time",
    or these other strange and sometimes bizaare
    non-scientific non-explanations, where red-shift
    bias is explainable, and removable, then: the
    premier theories of the day can be much better.


    So, since 2MASS, and, the discovery of LaniaKea,
    and, particularly since JWST, and soon with the
    Nancy Roman if that makes it, all these latest
    additions to the sky survey, also have in other
    spectra, _much, much, much_ less red-shift bias,
    what was 99/1 is now 51/49. Then this makes all
    the Lambda CDM and particular Expansion and
    Inflation quite lose most their justification, except
    as a tuning problem according to measurements
    and extrapolations tuning and fitting the data
    an exercise in scientific modeling that the new
    data has paint-canned and round-filed.


    Well, have a great day, just letting you know that
    fall-gravity explain Dark Matter and red-shift-bias-removal
    explains Dark Energy: away.


    Of course, both Big Bang and Steady State hypotheses
    either can be made fit the data as neither are falsifiable.


    Mathematics _owes_ physics more and better
    mathematics of infinity, and continuity.

    Not enough giraffes, certainly.

    Far too much gibberish, definitely.

    Seriously Ross, what's your point? A joke?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 22:33:34 2024
    Le 27/12/2024 à 22:15, Python a écrit :

    Not enough giraffes, certainly.

    Far too much gibberish, definitely.

    Seriously Ross, what's your point? A joke?

    Oh, speaking of which, and since you want to give me advice on writing
    PDFs, can you give me a good online translator because I have a lot of
    trouble understanding what he's saying.

    R.H.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 27 23:38:24 2024
    Le 27/12/2024 à 23:47, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
    On 12/27/2024 02:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
    Le 27/12/2024 à 22:15, Python a écrit :

    Not enough giraffes, certainly.

    Far too much gibberish, definitely.

    Seriously Ross, what's your point? A joke?

    Oh, speaking of which, and since you want to give me advice on writing
    PDFs, can you give me a good online translator because I have a lot of
    trouble understanding what he's saying.

    R.H.

    Malheureusement, je ne peux pas m'expliquer tres bien
    en Francais mais qu'en Anglais, alors que on a trouve
    que les systems plus grand du computateurs comme les
    "2024 chat-bots", on peut trouver qu'il maintiene
    une organization plus <thorough>.

    Zo, ....

    Quelle est ta langue d'origine?

    R.H.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Sat Dec 28 03:33:00 2024
    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 20:56:14 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    Expansion and Inflation and Dark Energy and Redshift Bias Removal

    If you've been following along, for about a hundred and
    more years since Hubble there was observed a sort of
    red-shift bias, meaning distant galaxies appear to
    demonstrate a red-shift which according to Doppler
    means they recede, and that given the theory of
    stellar formation and pulsation, and the theory of
    hydrogen lines and standard candles, then it was
    really well figured out and quite tuned the theory,
    to arrive at estimates like the age of the universe,
    from taking averages and extrapolating backwards,
    and the Expansionary making for the Inflationary
    and making a very sensible theory called Big Bang.

    So, over time, then science found that there wasn't
    enough energy to explain all the receding. Much like
    science couldn't explain why galaxies like free-rotating
    platters weren't flying apart and thus had to add
    Dark Matter or not luminous matter to explain how
    gravity, which also isn't really a theory in those days,
    then for energy there's Dark Energy, enough to
    explain why things appear to be falling apart in
    the large, while holding together in the close.

    Over time, then these non-scientific non-explanations,
    mute matter say or false energy, well they started to
    grow more and more, until at some point it was
    reached "out non-scientific non-explanations now
    dominate the theory so obviously our theory is wrong".

    That is to say, ever since Dark Matter and Dark Energy
    were in the theory, it's _not_ the theory, of that without.

    Now, when talking about Dark Matter and Dark Energy,
    it's not to be read as about ethnicity, while of course
    human beings have ethnicities and that, just saying,
    when we say Dark Matter and Dark Energy, it's exactly
    the non-luminous, so un-detectable, matter, and,
    energy with same idea, non-observable non-scientific.
    So, that's just saying that the reasons why theory
    want to explain Dark Matter and Dark Energy as
    having reasons why their role in the theory is
    according to something else in the theory,
    is like so.


    So, red-shift bias is the idea "well what if all along
    the measurements get a red-shift _bias_ and we
    thought it was plain straight Doppler yet really
    it's something else", about Dark Energy. (Then,
    for Dark Matter it's actually a matter of mechanics,
    and so free rotating frames explain via a true
    centrifugal why it's to be explained what makes
    the role of Dark Matter in theories that are
    otherwise quite thoroughly broken because
    they don't have any way to say what it is.) So,
    the Dark Energy, then, if red-shift bias is explainable
    because it's more about "Fresnel and large lensing"
    and not about ideas like "tired light" or "lumpy space-time",
    or these other strange and sometimes bizaare
    non-scientific non-explanations, where red-shift
    bias is explainable, and removable, then: the
    premier theories of the day can be much better.


    So, since 2MASS, and, the discovery of LaniaKea,
    and, particularly since JWST, and soon with the
    Nancy Roman if that makes it, all these latest
    additions to the sky survey, also have in other
    spectra, _much, much, much_ less red-shift bias,
    what was 99/1 is now 51/49. Then this makes all
    the Lambda CDM and particular Expansion and
    Inflation quite lose most their justification, except
    as a tuning problem according to measurements
    and extrapolations tuning and fitting the data
    an exercise in scientific modeling that the new
    data has paint-canned and round-filed.


    Well, have a great day, just letting you know that
    fall-gravity explain Dark Matter and red-shift-bias-removal
    explains Dark Energy: away.


    Of course, both Big Bang and Steady State hypotheses
    either can be made fit the data as neither are falsifiable.


    Mathematics _owes_ physics more and better
    mathematics of infinity, and continuity.
    Right, so before Olber it was already understood that light doesn't go
    on forever and gets tired so mainstream science is just a boondoggle
    anyone with a 85 IQ who uses his brains can see through.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Sat Dec 28 03:45:32 2024
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 3:30:21 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 12/27/2024 03:38 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
    Le 27/12/2024 à 23:47, Ross Finlayson a écrit :
    On 12/27/2024 02:33 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
    Le 27/12/2024 à 22:15, Python a écrit :

    Not enough giraffes, certainly.

    Far too much gibberish, definitely.

    Seriously Ross, what's your point? A joke?

    Oh, speaking of which, and since you want to give me advice on writing >>>> PDFs, can you give me a good online translator because I have a lot of >>>> trouble understanding what he's saying.

    R.H.

    Malheureusement, je ne peux pas m'expliquer tres bien
    en Francais mais qu'en Anglais, alors que on a trouve
    que les systems plus grand du computateurs comme les
    "2024 chat-bots", on peut trouver qu'il maintiene
    une organization plus <thorough>.

    Zo, ....

    Quelle est ta langue d'origine?
    R.H.

    I'm an American through-and-through,
    dating back to at least as for membership
    in "Sons of the American Revolution",
    throwing off colonialism for great democracy,
    English here is our language, you
    can call me "Ross Lincoln" or "Ross Conway",
    or "Ross Valle", comme Francais, "Ross Thebo".
    "Ross Huffman", "Ross Peplau", "Ross Siech".

    Zo, AEnglish.

    Trois y quatre y cinq ans j'avait suivi
    une instruction dans le Francais. Mais,
    ce n'avait jamis venu a l'erudition.

    Ross Finlayson
    In the saloons in the 1890's everyone claimed to have come over on the Mayflower.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to Ross Finlayson on Sat Dec 28 04:26:22 2024
    On Sat, 28 Dec 2024 4:00:29 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    On 12/27/2024 07:33 PM, LaurenceClarkCrossen wrote:
    On Fri, 27 Dec 2024 20:56:14 +0000, Ross Finlayson wrote:

    Expansion and Inflation and Dark Energy and Redshift Bias Removal

    If you've been following along, for about a hundred and
    more years since Hubble there was observed a sort of
    red-shift bias, meaning distant galaxies appear to
    demonstrate a red-shift which according to Doppler
    means they recede, and that given the theory of
    stellar formation and pulsation, and the theory of
    hydrogen lines and standard candles, then it was
    really well figured out and quite tuned the theory,
    to arrive at estimates like the age of the universe,
    from taking averages and extrapolating backwards,
    and the Expansionary making for the Inflationary
    and making a very sensible theory called Big Bang.

    So, over time, then science found that there wasn't
    enough energy to explain all the receding. Much like
    science couldn't explain why galaxies like free-rotating
    platters weren't flying apart and thus had to add
    Dark Matter or not luminous matter to explain how
    gravity, which also isn't really a theory in those days,
    then for energy there's Dark Energy, enough to
    explain why things appear to be falling apart in
    the large, while holding together in the close.

    Over time, then these non-scientific non-explanations,
    mute matter say or false energy, well they started to
    grow more and more, until at some point it was
    reached "out non-scientific non-explanations now
    dominate the theory so obviously our theory is wrong".

    That is to say, ever since Dark Matter and Dark Energy
    were in the theory, it's _not_ the theory, of that without.

    Now, when talking about Dark Matter and Dark Energy,
    it's not to be read as about ethnicity, while of course
    human beings have ethnicities and that, just saying,
    when we say Dark Matter and Dark Energy, it's exactly
    the non-luminous, so un-detectable, matter, and,
    energy with same idea, non-observable non-scientific.
    So, that's just saying that the reasons why theory
    want to explain Dark Matter and Dark Energy as
    having reasons why their role in the theory is
    according to something else in the theory,
    is like so.


    So, red-shift bias is the idea "well what if all along
    the measurements get a red-shift _bias_ and we
    thought it was plain straight Doppler yet really
    it's something else", about Dark Energy. (Then,
    for Dark Matter it's actually a matter of mechanics,
    and so free rotating frames explain via a true
    centrifugal why it's to be explained what makes
    the role of Dark Matter in theories that are
    otherwise quite thoroughly broken because
    they don't have any way to say what it is.) So,
    the Dark Energy, then, if red-shift bias is explainable
    because it's more about "Fresnel and large lensing"
    and not about ideas like "tired light" or "lumpy space-time",
    or these other strange and sometimes bizaare
    non-scientific non-explanations, where red-shift
    bias is explainable, and removable, then: the
    premier theories of the day can be much better.


    So, since 2MASS, and, the discovery of LaniaKea,
    and, particularly since JWST, and soon with the
    Nancy Roman if that makes it, all these latest
    additions to the sky survey, also have in other
    spectra, _much, much, much_ less red-shift bias,
    what was 99/1 is now 51/49. Then this makes all
    the Lambda CDM and particular Expansion and
    Inflation quite lose most their justification, except
    as a tuning problem according to measurements
    and extrapolations tuning and fitting the data
    an exercise in scientific modeling that the new
    data has paint-canned and round-filed.


    Well, have a great day, just letting you know that
    fall-gravity explain Dark Matter and red-shift-bias-removal
    explains Dark Energy: away.


    Of course, both Big Bang and Steady State hypotheses
    either can be made fit the data as neither are falsifiable.


    Mathematics _owes_ physics more and better
    mathematics of infinity, and continuity.
    Right, so before Olber it was already understood that light doesn't go
    on forever and gets tired so mainstream science is just a boondoggle
    anyone with a 85 IQ who uses his brains can see through.

    No, it's just figured there's more space than matter.

    Olbers paradox is "if the sky is full of stars, why
    isn't it full of light", and answers or explanations
    may include that there's a model of free transit of
    information, the light-like, about images in light,
    and about the _intensity_ of light. Then, the idea
    is that light is omni-directional, and, it _attenuates_
    as it _dissipates_, while of course the sky is full of stars.

    So, it's simply dissipation and attenuation, and the fact
    that a given observer for example a terrestrial observer,
    only sees so many, the arriving intensity.

    "Tired Light", for example Finlay-Freundlich's theory
    with Born, as above is an analytical method, yet as
    above is out-moded by the data, and furthermore more
    of a large-Fresnel-lensing approach to optics.

    Just like "Big Bang" and "Steady State" are
    neither falsifiable and either tunable, so
    are each of "heat death", "cold death", and
    "Big Crunch", and "Steady Horizon".

    Now, I just made up "Steady Horizon", a theoretical
    non-end of the universe among theories of the end of
    the universe yet, that's the way of these things sometimes.
    Usually these may be considered Cyclic Cosmologies,
    though, those are also neither falsifiable and either
    tunable, before/after and before/after.


    I think that comprehension largely depends on
    vocabulary and language, and reading is fundamental,
    to make textual learners from graphical and manual learners.

    The concept of intensity varies among optical and
    electrodynamic theories and as with regards to usual
    models of flow and flux in fluid models about usual
    models of waves their lengths for frequency and lengths
    for velocity, and, energy and entelechy, that the
    intensity is of a given form.
    The boondoggle is claiming a velocity-distance relationship is at all intelligent when it is illogical nonsense that Hubble and Zwicky
    rejected. Some one of the many tired light theories will be correct.
    Olbers is common sense. No mystery there.

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