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    From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 19 15:53:14 2025
    XPost: fr.sci.physique

    Le 19/02/2025 à 16:28, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :
    The mass-velocity relationship prevents photons from having any mass. Therefore, they cannot be affected by gravity.

    If we follow the idea of ​​what a photon is (I remind you that it does
    not exist between its source and its receiver, and that this time that we allocate to it is only an illusion due to the spatio-temporal structure of
    the universe) and the fact that it has NO proper time, and THEREFORE that
    it does not exist any more than a unicorn in my garden whose proper time
    of existence would be zero.
    How then could something that does not exist find the time necessary to be deflected by "gravity".

    This is obviously an absurd question.

    The photon is a quantum of energy instantly torn from its source (which
    has no other function than to be ready by different means) by a receiver,
    IN the receiver's frame of reference.

    In the source's frame of reference, the tearing is totally blind, and the source does not know where the photon is going, and where it could go.

    For it, this event exists only in its own future, and therefore will
    exist, possibly, only in millions or billions of years.

    The source that was believed to be all-powerful is nothing.

    It is the receiver that is everything.

    A white-hot iron placed alone in the universe could neither move (in
    relation to what?) nor emit (what would authoritatively tear its quanta
    from it?).

    R.H.

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  • From LaurenceClarkCrossen@21:1/5 to Richard Hachel on Wed Feb 19 19:26:43 2025
    On Wed, 19 Feb 2025 15:53:14 +0000, Richard Hachel wrote:

    Le 19/02/2025 à 16:28, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :
    The mass-velocity relationship prevents photons from having any mass.
    Therefore, they cannot be affected by gravity.

    If we follow the idea of ​​what a photon is (I remind you that it does not exist between its source and its receiver, and that this time that
    we
    allocate to it is only an illusion due to the spatio-temporal structure
    of
    the universe) and the fact that it has NO proper time, and THEREFORE
    that
    it does not exist any more than a unicorn in my garden whose proper time
    of existence would be zero.
    How then could something that does not exist find the time necessary to
    be
    deflected by "gravity".

    This is obviously an absurd question.

    The photon is a quantum of energy instantly torn from its source (which
    has no other function than to be ready by different means) by a
    receiver,
    IN the receiver's frame of reference.

    In the source's frame of reference, the tearing is totally blind, and
    the
    source does not know where the photon is going, and where it could go.

    For it, this event exists only in its own future, and therefore will
    exist, possibly, only in millions or billions of years.

    The source that was believed to be all-powerful is nothing.

    It is the receiver that is everything.

    A white-hot iron placed alone in the universe could neither move (in
    relation to what?) nor emit (what would authoritatively tear its quanta
    from it?).

    R.H.
    Time cannot be an illusion because it compares rates of change. Change
    would have to be an illusion for time to be an illusion. Are you Hindu?

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 15:35:05 2025
    Le 19/02/2025 à 20:26, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit
    :
    Time cannot be an illusion because it compares rates of change. Change
    would have to be an illusion for time to be an illusion. Are you Hindu?

    Time is not an illusion in Dr. Hachel's thinking. Richard Hachel considers
    that proper times are real.
    Simply, an event measured by a proper watch does not have the same
    duration as an event measured elsewhere (in another frame of reference)
    than another watch.

    If we place ourselves at the level of a photon receiver (my retina for
    example) or if we ride a photon, we realize that the time of a transfer
    over 13 billion light years is instantaneous. We note tau=0.

    Neither the photon nor my retina has aged by a single microsecond during
    this entire transfer.

    A transverse observer, placed in our inertial frame of reference, but very
    far away, will consider that the time of the transfer is 13 billion light years.

    An observer placed at the source will consider that a photon has just been snatched from him, without knowing who snatched it from him (it is the receiver), nor where it will go.

    It will take him 26 billion years to find out.

    The transfer, for the source, takes place over 26 billion years.

    This is where time is relative, and this is quite difficult to understand
    for those who do not have the keys.

    The simple student does not understand why it is instantaneous for the receiver, and why it takes so much time for the source, while the photon
    itself does not age by an instant (its time is zero).

    This also calls into question the very existence of the photon between its source and its receiver. A green unicorn whose proper time is absolutely
    zero has no time to exist at all.

    The photon is the same.

    It is therefore only a quantum of energy instantly changed in the
    receiver's frame of reference and of itself.

    Everything happens at the same time.

    The rest is only spatio-temporal deformation.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 20 18:10:08 2025
    W dniu 20.02.2025 o 16:35, Richard Hachel pisze:
    Le 19/02/2025 à 20:26, clzb93ynxj@att.net (LaurenceClarkCrossen) a écrit :
    Time cannot be an illusion because it compares rates of change. Change
    would have to be an illusion for time to be an illusion. Are you Hindu?

    Time is not an illusion in Dr. Hachel's thinking. Richard Hachel
    considers that proper times are real.

    Time is not, but the proper times of relativistic
    idiots definitely are. And so was Newton's Great
    mystical Youdontknowwhat.

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