Hi,

When the Statue of Liberty still had a value:

Donald dans une Allemagne [or USA now?] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VihggRSvVic

Bye

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Am Montag000024, 24.03.2025 um 22:22 schrieb Mild Shock:

Hi,

When the Statue of Liberty still had a value:

Donald dans une Allemagne [or USA now?] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VihggRSvVic

That 'isn't available in your country', but this one is:

"LOONEY TUNES (Looney Toons): The Ducktators (1942)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdMlqq-vL5A


It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than Hitler (roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

TH

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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

Am Montag000024, 24.03.2025 um 22:22 schrieb Mild Shock:

Hi,

When the Statue of Liberty still had a value:

Donald dans une Allemagne [or USA now?] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VihggRSvVic

That 'isn't available in your country', but this one is:

"LOONEY TUNES (Looney Toons): The Ducktators (1942)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdMlqq-vL5A

You might also like Disney's 'Donald Duck in Nutziland'.

It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than Hitler (roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

There you go again.
Do you really need to be crazy about every aspect of history?

Jan

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Am Mittwoch000026, 26.03.2025 um 08:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than Hitler
(roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

There you go again.
Do you really need to be crazy about every aspect of history?

Here comes a quote from British mainstream media:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy

quote:

"Archived documents have revealed that Mussolini got his start in
politics in 1917 with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5."

(So, actually I made a mistake and Mussolini didn't work for MI6 but for
MI5.

Sorry for that...)

But also Stalin and Hitler were (allegedly) on the payroll of
UK-intelligence:

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/True-Crime-Solving-History-Vol/dp/047311478X

https://www.amazon.de/Stalins-British-Training/dp/0473120739


TH

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Hi,

So it wasn't James Bond 007 who recruited Mussolini.

I am little disappointed now...

LoL

Bye

Thomas Heger schrieb:

Am Mittwoch000026, 26.03.2025 um 08:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than Hitler >>> (roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

There you go again.
Do you really need to be crazy about every aspect of history?

Here comes a quote from British mainstream media:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-italy

quote:

"Archived documents have revealed that Mussolini got his start in
politics in 1917 with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5."

(So, actually I made a mistake and Mussolini didn't work for MI6 but for
MI5.

Sorry for that...)

But also Stalin and Hitler were (allegedly) on the payroll of UK-intelligence:

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/True-Crime-Solving-History-Vol/dp/047311478X

https://www.amazon.de/Stalins-British-Training/dp/0473120739

TH

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Am Donnerstag000027, 27.03.2025 um 10:21 schrieb Mild Shock:

Hi,

So it wasn't James Bond 007 who recruited Mussolini.

I am little disappointed now...

007 was (allegedly) the room number of a storage-room in the basement of
MI6' headquarter.

'James Bond' was actually an author, who wrote a book about the birds in
the west indies.

Ian Flemming was a top man in British intelligence, before he wrote spy stories.

He was head of an 'operation James Bond', which rescued Martin Borman
out of Berlin at the end of the war.

In this operation a John Ainsworth-Davis (the 'real' James Bond) brought
Martin Borman to London.

This was all long before Mussolini became head of the fascist movement
in Italy (around 1917).

TH

Bye

Thomas Heger schrieb:

Am Mittwoch000026, 26.03.2025 um 08:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than
Hitler
(roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

There you go again.
Do you really need to be crazy about every aspect of history?

Here comes a quote from British mainstream media:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-
recruited-mi5-italy

quote:

"Archived documents have revealed that Mussolini got his start in
politics in 1917 with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5."

(So, actually I made a mistake and Mussolini didn't work for MI6 but
for MI5.

Sorry for that...)

But also Stalin and Hitler were (allegedly) on the payroll of UK-
intelligence:

https://www.amazon.de/-/en/True-Crime-Solving-History-Vol/dp/047311478X

https://www.amazon.de/Stalins-British-Training/dp/0473120739


TH

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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

Am Mittwoch000026, 26.03.2025 um 08:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than Hitler >> (roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

There you go again.
Do you really need to be crazy about every aspect of history?

Here comes a quote from British mainstream media:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-i

taly

quote:

"Archived documents have revealed that Mussolini got his start in
politics in 1917 with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5."

(So, actually I made a mistake and Mussolini didn't work for MI6 but for
MI5.

Sorry for that...)

Your quote mining is far worse, in the way of error.
The preceding sentence says it is about:
===
[Mussolini] ... his brief career as a British agent.
===

What part of 'brief' don't you understand?

And for the perhaps misled kiddies, on what it was all about:
Italy fought on the Allied side in WWI.
But the war went bady for them, and there was a lot of peace protests. Mussolini, a mere journalist at the time, was fiercely on the allied
side, so for keeping up the war.
He ordered hisgang of blackshirts to beat up peace demonstrators.
Well worth some pocket money, while it lasted.
To the British Mussolini was a paid agitator, more than an agent,

Jan

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Am Montag000007, 07.04.2025 um 12:03 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:

Am Mittwoch000026, 26.03.2025 um 08:39 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

It is historically incorrect, because Mussolini came earlier than Hitler >>>> (roughly ten years).

And Mussolini was on the payroll of the British MI6.

There you go again.
Do you really need to be crazy about every aspect of history?

Here comes a quote from British mainstream media:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/oct/13/benito-mussolini-recruited-mi5-i

taly

quote:

"Archived documents have revealed that Mussolini got his start in
politics in 1917 with the help of a £100 weekly wage from MI5."

(So, actually I made a mistake and Mussolini didn't work for MI6 but for
MI5.

Sorry for that...)

Your quote mining is far worse, in the way of error.
The preceding sentence says it is about:
===
[Mussolini] ... his brief career as a British agent.
===

What part of 'brief' don't you understand?

And for the perhaps misled kiddies, on what it was all about:
Italy fought on the Allied side in WWI.
But the war went bady for them, and there was a lot of peace protests. Mussolini, a mere journalist at the time, was fiercely on the allied
side, so for keeping up the war.
He ordered hisgang of blackshirts to beat up peace demonstrators.
Well worth some pocket money, while it lasted.
To the British Mussolini was a paid agitator, more than an agent,

The US/British had a LOOOONG history of political double agents.

(E.g. Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Gadhaffi ... )

Most likely Dönitz, Rommel and Hitler himself were British agents, too.

So, why not Mussolini, if the British already admitted paying and
supporting him???


TH

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Den 09.04.2025 08:44, skrev Thomas Heger:

The US/British had a LOOOONG history of political double agents.

(E.g. Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Gadhaffi ... )

Most likely Dönitz, Rommel and Hitler himself were British agents, too.

So, why not Mussolini, if the British already admitted paying and
supporting him???

TH

He is not joking.
He is Tomas Heger!

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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Paul.B.Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:

Den 09.04.2025 08:44, skrev Thomas Heger:

The US/British had a LOOOONG history of political double agents.

(E.g. Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Gadhaffi ... )

Most likely Dönitz, Rommel and Hitler himself were British agents, too.

So, why not Mussolini, if the British already admitted paying and supporting him???

TH

He is not joking.
He is Tomas Heger!

Certainly! And apart from an unbridled historical fantasy
his knowledge of English is lacking.
He doesn't understand what 'agent' means, in an MI5/MI6 context,

Jan

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J. J. Lodder wrote:

Paul.B.Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:

He is not joking.
He is Tomas Heger!

Certainly! And apart from an unbridled historical fantasy his knowledge
of English is lacking.
He doesn't understand what 'agent' means, in an MI5/MI6 context,

Jan

traitors, like the gay polakia, a former real, historical and proper
Russian province, as a child of a mother. My friends got their luggage
stolen in gay polakia. Completely disgrace. Order has to be restored in
that territory. I would to visit Gdansk, where people once worked for
their country and their children, and not for the oligarchs.

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Am Mittwoch000009, 09.04.2025 um 11:55 schrieb Paul.B.Andersen:

Den 09.04.2025 08:44, skrev Thomas Heger:

The US/British had a LOOOONG history of political double agents.

(E.g. Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Gadhaffi ... )

Most likely Dönitz, Rommel and Hitler himself were British agents, too.

So, why not Mussolini, if the British already admitted paying and
supporting him???


TH

He is not joking.
He is Tomas Heger!

I had many ideas from Greg Hallet, who wrote this book:

https://www.lovelybooks.de/autor/Greg-Hallett/Hitler-Was-a-British-Agent-628882516-w/

Hallet wrote, that Dönitz was also an agent and supplied secret Navi Enigma-codes to British intelligence.

This is plausible, because imho the British 'bomb' at Bletchley Park
used only three wheels in a group, while the Navi enigmas used four.

Therefore the bomb could rotate until the end of all days and could not
decode the Enigma messages, even if you knew the code.

The only person, who could possible cheat and deliver the codes to the
British agencies was Dönitz himself.

TH

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Am Mittwoch000009, 09.04.2025 um 14:27 schrieb J. J. Lodder:

The US/British had a LOOOONG history of political double agents.

(E.g. Idi Amin, Saddam Hussein, Gadhaffi ... )

Most likely Dönitz, Rommel and Hitler himself were British agents, too. >>>
So, why not Mussolini, if the British already admitted paying and
supporting him???


TH

He is not joking.
He is Tomas Heger!

Certainly! And apart from an unbridled historical fantasy
his knowledge of English is lacking.
He doesn't understand what 'agent' means, in an MI5/MI6 context,

Sorry for that, but I have actually no contacts to MI5/6.

Im my world 'agent' is the same as 'spy' (if operating abroad).

Possibly the agents of MI5/6/... use some sorts of euphemisms. But I
don't know, since to the best of my knowledge I don't know any of them.

About Hitler I had the theory, that 'the Fuehrer' and Hitler were two
different people and the 'Fuehrer' actually a born Englishman, who lived
in Germany since prior to WWI in the house Prinzregentenplatz 16 in
Munich, together with a daughter of Richard Wagner named 'Isolde Beidler'.

His real name was (according to my theory) Noel Trevenen Huxley.




TH

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