• Re: A short proof of the inconsistency of Einstein's physics

    From Random Kasamatsu Guan@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Sun Apr 6 15:32:14 2025
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second As seen, the definition of second
    loved so much to be invoked by relativistic morons - wasn't valid in the
    time when their idiot guru lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary 1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand seconds.
    The mechanics of it.

    𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗪𝗜𝗟𝗟 𝗡𝗘𝗩𝗘𝗥 𝗕𝗘 𝗔 𝗥𝗘𝗩𝗢𝗟𝗨𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡 𝗜𝗡 𝗔𝗠𝗘𝗥𝗜𝗖𝗔
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Random Kasamatsu Guan on Mon Apr 7 12:03:19 2025
    Random Kasamatsu Guan <atmmsat@sasmtm.jp> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second As seen, the definition of second loved so much to be invoked by relativistic morons - wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary 1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand seconds.
    The mechanics of it.

    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ??????? https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics.
    Physical results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    Jan

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  • From Nabor Tzarakov@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Mon Apr 7 13:25:07 2025
    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Random Kasamatsu Guan <atmmsat@sasmtm.jp> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second As seen, the definition of
    second loved so much to be invoked by relativistic morons - wasn't
    valid in the time when their idiot guru lived and mumbled. Up to 1960
    it was ordinary 1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds.
    The mechanics of it.

    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics. Physical results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    not sure, the results depends on the unit used, as the mm is different
    from ms. You mean the mechanics, aka the theory. But indeed, my paper "𝙊𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝘿𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙣𝙩 𝙈𝙖𝙩𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙈𝙤𝙫𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙆𝙤𝙚𝙧𝙥𝙚𝙨 𝙈𝙤𝙙𝙚𝙡" is different then the gravity
    of Einstine. My theory is based on the quantum level probability
    distribution. Which is correct.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 7 17:25:00 2025
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 12:03, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    Random Kasamatsu Guan <atmmsat@sasmtm.jp> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second As seen, the definition of second
    loved so much to be invoked by relativistic morons - wasn't valid in the >>> time when their idiot guru lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary >>> 1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand seconds.
    The mechanics of it.

    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics.
    Physical results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    Can't they? By definition? By WHAT definition,
    poor trash?
    Anyway, they absolutely do. And you're a
    reality denier, as expected from a relativistic
    idiot.

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  • From Benito =?iso-8859-1?q?Gr=FCnewald?=@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Mon Apr 7 17:17:05 2025
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds. The mechanics of it.
    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics. Physical
    results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    Can't they? By definition? By WHAT definition, poor trash?
    Anyway, they absolutely do. And you're a reality denier, as expected
    from a relativistic idiot.

    please be careful, I can see now he is also wrong, but no reason to apply insults. I hate insults. Time is not about definitions, since it's a
    dimension, a one way dimension, hence besides it's length, due
    measurements on other things, there is nothing to define on it.

    I like your thinking.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Nabor Tzarakov on Mon Apr 7 20:40:54 2025
    Nabor Tzarakov <kzan@zabr.ru> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Random Kasamatsu Guan <atmmsat@sasmtm.jp> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second As seen, the definition of
    second loved so much to be invoked by relativistic morons - wasn't
    valid in the time when their idiot guru lived and mumbled. Up to 1960
    it was ordinary 1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds.
    The mechanics of it.

    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics. Physical results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    not sure, the results depends on the unit used, as the mm is different
    from ms. You mean the mechanics, aka the theory. But indeed, my paper "??
    ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????" is different then the gravity of Einstine. My theory is based on the quantum level probability distribution. Which is correct.

    No doubt. However, after doing the unit conversion correctly
    the result should be the same.
    If not, it isn't a physical result,

    Jan

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 8 07:58:52 2025
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 20:40, J. J. Lodder pisze:
    Nabor Tzarakov <kzan@zabr.ru> wrote:

    J. J. Lodder wrote:

    Random Kasamatsu Guan <atmmsat@sasmtm.jp> wrote:

    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second As seen, the definition of
    second loved so much to be invoked by relativistic morons - wasn't
    valid in the time when their idiot guru lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 >>>>> it was ordinary 1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds.
    The mechanics of it.

    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics. Physical
    results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    not sure, the results depends on the unit used, as the mm is different
    from ms. You mean the mechanics, aka the theory. But indeed, my paper "??
    ??? ????????? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????" is different then the
    gravity of Einstine. My theory is based on the quantum level probability
    distribution. Which is correct.

    No doubt. However, after doing the unit conversion correctly
    the result should be the same.
    If not, it isn't a physical result,


    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 8 07:57:27 2025
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 19:17, Benito Grünewald pisze:
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds. The mechanics of it.
    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of any
    unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics. Physical
    results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    Can't they? By definition? By WHAT definition, poor trash?
    Anyway, they absolutely do. And you're a reality denier, as expected
    from a relativistic idiot.

    please be careful, I can see now he is also wrong, but no reason to apply insults. I hate insults.

    You're a troll on the leash of a piece of shit
    from Moscow, why would anyone care what you
    hate or not.


    Time is not about definitions, since it's a
    dimension

    It absolutely is about definitions, since it's
    a dimension. All abstracts are about definitions.

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  • From Celestino =?iso-8859-1?q?Schr=E4der@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Tue Apr 8 17:43:39 2025
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 19:17, Benito Grünewald pisze:
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds. The mechanics of it.
    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of
    any unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics.
    Physical results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    Can't they? By definition? By WHAT definition, poor trash?
    Anyway, they absolutely do. And you're a reality denier, as expected
    from a relativistic idiot.

    please be careful, I can see now he is also wrong, but no reason to
    apply insults. I hate insults.

    You're a troll on the leash of a piece of shit from Moscow, why would
    anyone care what you hate or not.

    can't you see the man is german, you stupid polak. Indeed, the gay polakia
    is a Russian province. You don't know your history, you indolent polak.

    Time is not about definitions, since it's a dimension

    It absolutely is about definitions, since it's a dimension. All
    abstracts are about definitions.

    a dimension is not abstract, you puerile deplorable imbecile. You are
    educated like shit in that gay polakia.

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 8 20:26:56 2025
    Den 03.04.2025 07:26, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    You are wrong.
    During a year a solar day varies between 86378 seconds and
    86430 seconds- It is 86400 seconds only twice during a year.

    The _mean_ solar day is still 86400 seconds
    even if the definition of a second has changed.



    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    (Newton may have problems with determining what the speed of light is.)

    What is the result predicted
    by the Einsteinian physics?

    Newton and Einstein would agree that the moving observer
    in the telescope will observe that a mean solar day last
    49942 seconds on the observer's clock.

    An intelligent fellow like you will find this obvious.
    Or won't you?

    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Can you show how you arrive at these numbers?

    SR predicts that the Doppler shift is
    D = √((1+v/c)/(1−v/c)). From the postulates.
    D = 1.73 So the prediction is 49942 seconds.



    Thank you for your attention, poor
    relativistic fanatics, have a nice day.

    Please explain the subject line.
    There must be a reason why you think this falsifies SR?

    Or don't you understand your own words?



    --
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    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 8 21:01:45 2025
    Den 08.04.2025 07:58, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 20:40, J. J. Lodder pisze:

    No doubt. However, after doing the unit conversion correctly
    the result should be the same.
    If not, it isn't a physical result,


    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.


    Does this meaningless response of yours mean that you do not
    understand that any time unit can be used if physics as long
    as it is precisely defined?

    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 8 21:43:51 2025
    Le 08/04/2025 à 20:22, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :

    D = √((1+v/c)/(1−v/c)).

    This equation is entirely correct theoretically and completely logical experimentally.

    What has always amazed me, for several years now, is that I have remained
    one of the few to fully trust it, even though the observed effects can sometimes be frankly counterintuitive.

    I remind you, once again, why I remain the best relativistic theorist of
    all time (not by my own strength, because I based my work on my
    predecessors, and I confirm that the mathematician Henri Poincaré was the greatest and the true founding father of the theory); I am the only one
    who doesn't tremble when writing what he writes:
    All the others start to tremble if I ask them how far the Earth is from Stella's spacecraft, when Stella has just made its U-turn, over there, at
    Tau Ceti, and is now traveling towards Earth at 0.8c.

    The boldest try to answer 7.2 ly, because they assume a contraction of distances.

    All the others run away, knowing that I will ask them how Stella will be
    able to see the Earth moving towards her for 9 years, with an apparent
    speed of 4c (which is the apparent approach speed of v=0.8c).

    No one has ever been able to respond to me except with insults,
    professional defamation, and threats, even a death threat.

    Everyone is disoriented by the fact that I apply the principle to the
    fullest, and the equation to the fullest, without this detracting from the superb beauty of relativistic theory.

    In the example given:
    D = √((1+v/c)/(1−v/c))=36ly.

    There's no problem with logic or consistency here. Only the limited and
    fearful minds of my opponents, afraid of the consequences of a possible acceptance.

    They would have to tell themselves that good old Dr. Hachel isn't that
    stupid, and that drives them crazy.

    R.H.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 08:27:42 2025
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 20:26, Paul B. Andersen pisze:
    Den 03.04.2025 07:26, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    You are wrong.
    During a year a solar day varies between 86378 seconds and
    86430 seconds- It is 86400 seconds only twice during a year.

    Oh, really?

    So, how was "second" defined in your moronic
    physics in 1905, when your idiot guru lived
    and mumbled?



    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    An intelligent fellow like you will find this obvious.
    Or won't you?

    One prediction is - 99766. From the
    postulates. The second prediction is -
    86400. From definition.
    And similiarly with the prediction of
    a measurement of a meridian.

    Can you show how you arrive at these numbers?

    SR predicts that the Doppler shift is

    But what does it predict as the result of
    measurement of the length of a solar day?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 08:17:38 2025
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 19:43, Celestino Schräder pisze:
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 19:17, Benito Grünewald pisze:
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    That implies knowing solar days exactly. Here more to undrestand
    seconds. The mechanics of it.
    ????? ???? ????? ?? ? ?????????? ?? ???????
    https://%42i%74%43hute.com/vi%44eo/lgGMsNdPNANx

    It helps even more to understand that the particular definition of
    any unit of time is completely irrelevant for any kind of physics.
    Physical results cannot depend on it, by definition,

    Can't they? By definition? By WHAT definition, poor trash?
    Anyway, they absolutely do. And you're a reality denier, as expected
    from a relativistic idiot.

    please be careful, I can see now he is also wrong, but no reason to
    apply insults. I hate insults.

    You're a troll on the leash of a piece of shit from Moscow, why would
    anyone care what you hate or not.

    can't you see the man is german, you stupid polak. Indeed, the gay polakia
    is a Russian province. You don't know your history, you indolent polak.

    Time is not about definitions, since it's a dimension

    It absolutely is about definitions, since it's a dimension. All
    abstracts are about definitions.

    a dimension is not abstract, you puerile deplorable imbecile.

    Yes, it is.

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 08:34:47 2025
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 21:01, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 08.04.2025 07:58, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 20:40, J. J. Lodder pisze:

    No doubt. However, after doing the unit conversion correctly
    the result should be the same.
    If not, it isn't a physical result,


    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.


    Does this meaningless response of yours mean that you do not
    understand that any time unit can be used if physics as long
    as it is precisely defined?

    1)irrelevant
    b)propaganda bullshit.

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 09:42:02 2025
    Den 09.04.2025 08:34, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 21:01, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 08.04.2025 07:58, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 20:40, J. J. Lodder pisze:

    No doubt. However, after doing the unit conversion correctly
    the result should be the same.
    If not, it isn't a physical result,


    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.


    Does this meaningless response of yours mean that you do not
    understand that any time unit can be used if physics as long
    as it is precisely defined?

    You didn't answer the question.

    It was:
    Do you really not understand that any time unit can be used
    if physics as long as it is precisely defined?


    1)irrelevant
    b)propaganda bullshit.


    Your nonsensical response indicates that you didn't
    even understand the question, in which case you must
    be _very_ ignorant of elementary physics.

    Is that the case?

    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 11:50:53 2025
    Den 09.04.2025 08:27, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 20:26, Paul B. Andersen pisze:
    Den 03.04.2025 07:26, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    You are wrong.
    During a year a solar day varies between 86378 seconds and
    86430 seconds- It is 86400 seconds only twice during a year.

    Oh, really?

    Yes, really. Your ignorance is amazing! :-D

    The orbit of the Earth is elliptic so the orbital speed varies.
    At perihelion, the speed is highest, and the solar day is longest,
    86430 seconds. At aphelion, the speed is slowest and the solar day
    will be shortest, 86378 seconds.

    The _mean_ solar day is the average of a solar day
    through the year. As you know, it is 86400 seconds.
    But to find the length of a _mean_ solar day, the varying
    length of the solar days had to be measured for a very long time.
    This was done at Greenwich. And the pendulum clock
    at Greenwich was the "master clock" of the world for
    a very long time.

    So, how was "second" defined in your moronic
    physics in 1905, when your idiot guru lived
    and mumbled?

    As 1/86400 of a mean solar day.

    In 1967 the definition was changed to the one based
    on the Cs atom we have now.
    The definition was made such that it still is
    86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

    The _mean_ solar day is still 86400 seconds
    even if the definition of a second has changed.

    Which means that the change will have very few consequences
    for most people.

    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is  it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,
    and can measure on his own clock that one rotation lasts:

    Newton and Einstein would agree that the moving observer
    in the telescope will observe that a mean solar day last
    49942 seconds on the observer's clock.

    An intelligent fellow like you will find this obvious.
    Or won't you?

    Was I possibly wrong when I assumed you were intelligent?



    But what does it predict as the result of
    measurement of the length of a solar day?


    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    ---------------------

    Can you please explain the subject line?
    What in Einstein paper have you proved inconsistent?

    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 12:44:16 2025
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 11:50, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:27, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 20:26, Paul B. Andersen pisze:
    Den 03.04.2025 07:26, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    You are wrong.
    During a year a solar day varies between 86378 seconds and
    86430 seconds- It is 86400 seconds only twice during a year.

    Oh, really?

    Yes, really. Your ignorance is amazing! :-D

    The orbit of the Earth is elliptic so the orbital speed varies.
    At perihelion, the speed is highest, and the solar day is longest,
    86430 seconds. At aphelion, the speed is slowest and the solar day
    will be shortest, 86378 seconds.

    The _mean_ solar day is the average of a solar day
    through the year. As you know, it is 86400 seconds.
    But to find the length of a _mean_ solar day, the varying
    length of the solar days had to be measured for a very long time.
    This was done at Greenwich. And the pendulum clock
    at Greenwich was the "master clock" of the world for
    a very long time.

    So, how was "second" defined in your moronic
    physics in 1905, when your idiot guru lived
    and mumbled?

    As 1/86400 of a mean solar day.


    Exactly. Your desperate tries of changing
    the subject are no way changing the fact
    that the physics of your idiot guru was
    not even consistent, and your suggestion
    that the definition used by physics for
    centuries could no way be the definition
    in physics is a pure absurd.


    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is  it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,

    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?


    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?


    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.
    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...


    Can you please explain the subject line?
    What in Einstein paper have you proved inconsistent?

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  • From Maciej Wozniak@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 12:31:09 2025
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 09:42, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:34, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 21:01, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 08.04.2025 07:58, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 07.04.2025 o 20:40, J. J. Lodder pisze:

    No doubt. However, after doing the unit conversion correctly
    the result should be the same.
    If not, it isn't a physical result,


    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.


    Does this meaningless response of yours mean that you do not
    understand that any time unit can be used if physics as long
    as it is precisely defined?

    You didn't answer the question.

    While the question is completely irrelevant
    here, yes, I did answer it: what you suggest
    is some propaganda bullshit.

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  • From Baldemar Warszawski@21:1/5 to Maciej Wozniak on Wed Apr 9 11:01:11 2025
    Maciej Wozniak wrote:

    You're a troll on the leash of a piece of shit from Moscow, why would
    anyone care what you hate or not.

    can't you see the man is german, you stupid polak. Indeed, the gay
    polakia is a Russian province. You don't know your history, you
    indolent polak.

    Time is not about definitions, since it's a dimension

    It absolutely is about definitions, since it's a dimension. All
    abstracts are about definitions.

    a dimension is not abstract, you puerile deplorable imbecile.

    Yes, it is.

    me too. Some of my friends once in transit through gay polakia got their luggage stolen. We just can't wait the gay polakia get reunited to Mockba,
    as the proper province, so we dare to visit the territory, whatever is
    there to visit

    the gay polaks are traitors, let's say it as it is. Betraying Mockba is
    like betraying your mother and your father. What a shame. Unspeakable.

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 9 22:52:09 2025
    Den 09.04.2025 12:44, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 11:50, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:27, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    So, how was "second" defined in your moronic
    physics in 1905, when your idiot guru lived
    and mumbled?

    As 1/86400 of a mean solar day.


    And since Einstein used the same definition of second as everybody
    else, then it is clear that his physics was inconsistent!
    Right?

    You are a real master in drawing logical conclusions.
    Congratulations! :-D

    Exactly. Your desperate tries of changing
    the subject are no way changing the fact
    that the physics of your idiot guru was
    not even consistent,

    The subject was the definition of a second.
    Your blunder was that you didn't know the difference
    between a solar day and a mean solar day.
    Your claim that there are 86400 seconds in a solar day
    is simply wrong.

    But you know better now, or don't you?

    and your suggestion
    that the definition used by physics for
    centuries  could no way be the definition
    in physics is a pure absurd.

    Allow yourself to think when you read the below:
    (What i explain is correct in principle, but not in detail)

    Whether you use the old or new definition of a second,
    there is still 86400 seconds in a solar day.
    That's not the difference between the definitions.

    But what is precision of the old definition?
    The best temperature compensated quart clocks have a precision
    in the order of ~ 1e-7. That means that the second can be measured
    to be 1.000000 ± 10 μs
    A mean solar day could be measured to be 86400 ± 8.64 ms.


    In modern physics we need extremely precise clocks, and then
    atomic clocks are the only solution. An atomic clock can have
    precision up to 1e-18, but let us say it is 1e-15.
    That means that it in principle is able to measure the second
    within a femto second, and a mean solar day to be 86400 ±86 ps

    It would obviously be meaningless to try to calibrate this clock
    to a xtal clock which is calibrated to the old definition
    to a precision 1e-7.
    So we must have a definition of second which is precise
    to within 1e-15 or better. And that is the new SI definition.

    Any atomic clock has the definition of second built in.

    To sum up:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Einstein could use the old definition.
    Modern physicists can not.



    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    I am not going to quarrel with you.

    I am telling facts.
    There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC the time zones.

    These networks could not work with the old definition of second.


    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is  it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,

    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?

    Yes! Did you really not understand that?
    The observer would have to have an extremely powerful telescope, though.

    I am beginning to suspect that you are not very smart.



    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?

    I said obviously!
    If it isn't obvious to you you can't be very smart.



    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measured by a clock in GPS orbit a mean solar day would be
    86400.00003875 seconds.
    Experimental verified fact.


    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.

    Quite.
    And the result is:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Do you find it problematic that the new definition
    is more precise than the old one?


    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...

    What?



    Can you please explain the subject line?
    What in Einstein paper have you proved inconsistent?

    Of course you can't,

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    https://paulba.no/

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to Paul.B.Andersen on Thu Apr 10 07:04:45 2025
    On 4/9/2025 10:52 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

    [Sorry fpr personal reply, a misclick]

    Den 09.04.2025 12:44, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 11:50, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:27, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    So, how was "second" defined in your moronic
    physics in 1905, when your idiot guru lived
    and mumbled?

    As 1/86400 of a mean solar day.


    And since Einstein used the same definition of second as everybody
    else, then it is clear that his physics was inconsistent!
    Right?


    You are a real master in drawing logical conclusions.
    Congratulations! 😂



    Exactly. Your desperate tries of changing
    the subject are no way changing the fact
    that the physics of your idiot guru was
    not even consistent,

    The subject was the definition of a second.
    Your blunder was that you didn't know the difference
    between a solar day and a mean solar day.
    Your claim that there are 86400 seconds in a solar day
    is simply wrong.

    Unfortunately, that is not my claim, that is
    a derivable from the most basic definition
    part of the physics of your idiot guru.


    To sum up:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Einstein could use the old definition.
    Modern physicists can not.

    Oh, can't they? What a pity :(((
    Sane people, on the other hand - can't
    use their ideological idiocy, anyone can
    check GPS.

    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    I am not going to quarrel with you.

    I am telling facts.
    There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC the time zones.

    These networks could not work with the old definition of second.

    Sorry, that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will you deny?
    Of course, loosing it would be "proper" for
    some religious maniacs, but it's still
    something sane people are not going to allow.






    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,

    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?

    Yes! Did you really not understand that?

    Another lie, it claims exactly the opposite,
    according to it in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower.
    Did you really not understand that?



    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not
    measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?

    I said obviously!
    If it isn't obvious to you you can't be very smart.



    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measured by a clock in GPS orbit a mean solar day would be
    86400.00003875 seconds.
    Experimental verified fact.\

    Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
    straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs.
    A measurement is - comparing measured [something]
    to the unit. When the unit changes, the measurement
    changes too.



    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.

    Quite.
    And the result is:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Paul, why didn't you read what you wrote yourself
    just some paragraphs above?
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition - a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps
    at Earth, but ~86400.00003875 at a GPS satellite.
    And ~99766s in a rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2 (hasn't really been measured, of course,
    but let's say I believe what your insane Shit is
    saying about that).




    Do you find it problematic that the new definition
    is more precise than the old one?

    No, but I find problematic that a bunch of religious
    maniacs is lying it is more precise - ignoring
    the facts anyone can check at GPS.



    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...

    What?
    ~86400.00003875 on a GPS satellite.
    ~99766 in a gedanken rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2.
    That's - repeat - THE RESULT OF COMPARING A
    MEAN SOLAR DAY TO 1/86400 OF ITSELF - according
    to your insane guru.







    Can you please explain the subject line?
    What in Einstein paper have you proved inconsistent?

    Tell me, Paul - did your idiot guru write in his
    idiotic paper all the claims derivable and valid
    in his idiotic theory?
    Yes or no?

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 08:07:12 2025
    Am Dienstag000008, 08.04.2025 um 23:43 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 08/04/2025 à 20:22, "Paul B. Andersen" a écrit :

    D = √((1+v/c)/(1−v/c)).

    This equation is entirely correct theoretically and completely logical experimentally.

    What has always amazed me, for several years now, is that I have
    remained one of the few to fully trust it, even though the observed
    effects can sometimes be frankly counterintuitive.

    I remind you, once again, why I remain the best relativistic theorist of
    all time (not by my own strength, because I based my work on my
    predecessors, and I confirm that the mathematician Henri Poincaré was
    the greatest and the true founding father of the theory); I am the only
    one who doesn't tremble when writing what he writes:
    All the others start to tremble if I ask them how far the Earth is from Stella's spacecraft, when Stella has just made its U-turn, over there,
    at Tau Ceti, and is now traveling towards Earth at 0.8c.

    Have you heard of something called 'acceleration'?

    In flight they use the term 'g-force' as a measure, how fast a pilot
    could be accelerated.

    Such an u-turn at 0.8 c would require to decelerate to almost zero speed
    and accelerate again.

    You could try an u-turn at almost light speed, but that isn't
    recommended, because turning causes a sideways acceleration (called 'centrifugal force') and pilots cannot withstand more than a few g.

    It depends a little upon the radius of your turn. But at 0.8 that radius
    needed would be rather large.

    So deceleration would be mandatory.

    Unfortunately that also threatens the health of your crew, if higher
    than two or three g.

    But the distance to that star should be long enough to safely
    accelerated and decelerate.

    The main problem is now, that the crew wouldn't live long enough for a
    round trip.




    ...


    TH

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 09:58:25 2025
    Den 09.04.2025 12:31, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 09:42, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:34, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 21:01, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 08.04.2025 07:58, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.


    Does this meaningless response of yours mean that you do not
    understand that any time unit can be used if physics as long
    as it is precisely defined?

    You didn't answer the question.

    Your failure to answer the question makes it clear
    that you did not know that any time unit can be used if physics as
    long as it is precisely defined.


    While the question is completely irrelevant
    here, yes, I did answer it: what you suggest
    is some  propaganda bullshit.


    And calling the fact that any time unit can be used in
    physics as long as it is precisely defined for
    "some propaganda Bullshit" reveals that you are not only
    ignorant of elementary physics, but must be rather stupid.

    You can't act like an idiot without being considered an idiot.



    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to Paul.B.Andersen on Thu Apr 10 11:21:44 2025
    On 4/10/2025 9:58 AM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
    Den 09.04.2025 12:31, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 09:42, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:34, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 08.04.2025 o 21:01, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 08.04.2025 07:58, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    An incompetent idiot is asserting! As a proof
    he can insult and slander the opponent, must
    be true.


    Does this meaningless response of yours mean that you do not
    understand that any time unit can be used if physics as long
    as it is precisely defined?

    You didn't answer the question.

    Your failure to answer the question makes it clear



    that you're unable to read; while the question
    is completely irrelevant here - I answerred
    it 2 times.

    that you did not know that any time unit can be used if physics as
    long as it is precisely defined.



    So, once again: PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT.
    No surprise, of course, that your moronic
    physics is not going to willingly admit there
    is a bloody mess in the terms it is using
    and will die hard pretending everything
    is perfect. Still there is, and the career
    of The Shit of Einstein is one of the
    consequences.




    While the question is completely irrelevant
    here, yes, I did answer it: what you suggest
    is some  propaganda bullshit.


    And calling the fact that any time unit can be used in
    physics as long as it is precisely defined

    But it is not and it never was.
    Anyway, what your bunch of idiots is or
    isn't using is much less important than
    you think.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 11:05:28 2025
    Le 10/04/2025 à 08:06, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Have you heard of something called 'acceleration'?

    In flight they use the term 'g-force' as a measure, how fast a pilot
    could be accelerated.

    Such an u-turn at 0.8 c would require to decelerate to almost zero speed
    and accelerate again.

    You could try an u-turn at almost light speed, but that isn't
    recommended, because turning causes a sideways acceleration (called 'centrifugal force') and pilots cannot withstand more than a few g.

    It depends a little upon the radius of your turn. But at 0.8 that radius needed would be rather large.

    So deceleration would be mandatory.

    Unfortunately that also threatens the health of your crew, if higher
    than two or three g.

    But the distance to that star should be long enough to safely
    accelerated and decelerate.

    The main problem is now, that the crew wouldn't live long enough for a
    round trip.




    ...


    TH

    This is a thought experiment, and we assume that the effects of
    acceleration are not taken into account (which is also true for the
    measured times).
    In the classic example of Stella and Terrence, which is world-famous, we
    assume that d=12al (Tau Ceti),
    that v=0.8/c on the outward journey, during the U-turn (tangential
    velocity),
    and during the return journey.
    We assume that the U-turn takes place over a period of 24 hours of proper
    time, which corresponds to 40 Earth hours.
    I remind you that this is a thought experiment, and not a test of the resistance of human tissue to such accelerations. Now, you absolutely must fulfill your role as a lucid poster, and it is important that you ask
    yourself the right questions, which are: 1. Is it true that Dr. Richard
    Hachel is by far the best theorist in the world today, or is he a pure charlatan? 2. If he is not a charlatan, how does he come to say that there
    is a tremendous elasticity of lengths and distances in SR that physicists themselves have a very poor grasp of? 3. Am I capable of understanding the tremendous intellectual upheaval proposed by Richard, and of drawing on
    paper something that even remotely resembles a dilation of distances of 36
    ly when we only talk quickly and very poorly about an opposite contraction
    of 7.2 ly? Am I capable of understanding this stroke of genius by Hachel
    in my self-respecting theoretician's mind? That's the question.
    The effects of acceleration are not part of the issue, and not even from a measurement perspective (40 hours versus 24 is negligible).

    R.H.

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 15:39:40 2025
    Den 10.04.2025 07:04, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
    On 4/9/2025 10:52 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:


    Den 09.04.2025 12:44, skrev Maciej Wozniak:
    W dniu 09.04.2025 o 11:50, Paul.B.Andersen pisze:
    Den 09.04.2025 08:27, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    So, how was "second" defined in your moronic
    physics in 1905, when your idiot guru lived
    and mumbled?

    As 1/86400 of a mean solar day.


    And since Einstein used the same definition of second as everybody
    else, then it is clear that his physics was inconsistent!
    Right?


    You are a real master in drawing logical conclusions.
    Congratulations! 😂



    Exactly. Your desperate tries of changing
    the subject are no way changing the fact
    that the physics of your idiot guru was
    not even consistent,

    The subject was the definition of a second.
    Your blunder was that you didn't know the difference
    between a solar day and a mean solar day.
    Your claim that there are 86400 seconds in a solar day
    is simply wrong.


    Unfortunately, that is not my claim, that is
    a derivable from the most basic definition
    part of the physics of your idiot guru.

    Why do you lie about something which is so easy to check?

    Den 03.04.2025 07:26, skrev Maciej Wozniak:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second
    As seen, the definition of second loved so
    much to be invoked by relativistic morons -
    wasn't valid in the time when their idiot guru
    lived and mumbled. Up to 1960 it was ordinary
    1/86400 of a solar day, also in physics.

    Your blunder was that you didn't know the difference
    between a solar day and a mean solar day.
    Your claim that there are 86400 seconds in a solar day
    is simply wrong.



    To sum up:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Einstein could use the old definition.
    Modern physicists can not.


    Oh, can't they? What a pity :(((
    Sane people, on the other hand - can't
    use their ideological idiocy, anyone can
    check GPS.

    Do you really not understand that to measure time to
    a precision 1e-15 you must use an atomic clock which
    has the very precise definition built in?

    Are you pretending to be that ignorant, or are you really
    that ignorant?


    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    I am not going to quarrel with you.

    I am telling facts.
    There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC the time zones.

    These networks could not work with the old definition of second.


    Sorry,  that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will  you deny?
    Of course, loosing it would be "proper" for
    some  religious maniacs, but it's still
    something sane people are not going to allow.

    I note with interest that you claim the TAI network
    consisting of 450 atomic clocks doesn't exist. :-D

    I am not going to quarrel about that, but maybe you should
    look up:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time




    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is  it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,

    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?

    Yes! Did you really not understand that?

    Another lie, it claims exactly the opposite,
    according to it in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower.
    Did you really not understand that?

    You are making a fool of yourself again.
    This is Doppler shift.

    You have just revealed that you are so ignorant of elementary
    physics that you don't even know what Doppler shift is.

    Congratulations. :-D




    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not
    measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?

    I said obviously!
    If it isn't obvious to you you can't be very smart.



    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measured by a clock in GPS orbit a mean solar day would be
    86400.00003875 seconds.
    Experimental verified fact.\

    Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
    straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs.
    A measurement is - comparing measured [something]
    to the unit. When the unit changes, the measurement
    changes too.

    You are babbling nonsense.

    I will tell you some facts:

    It is 120 years since Einstein introduced SR, and 110 years since
    he introduced GR.

    During more than a century innumerable experiment testing SR and GR
    are made, and every one of them have confirmed SR/GR.
    SR and GR are never falsified.
    Many hundreds of physicists have been involved in these tests.

    Here is some of the experiments:
    https://paulba.no/paper/index.html

    All professional physicists know that SR and GR are so well
    confirmed that is no question of their validity.

    And then an idiot who doesn't even know what Doppler shift is
    claims that all the physicist of the last century are frauds
    who only tell lies about what is measured.

    This idiot must be extremely gullible since he buy
    the mindless propaganda of the "relativity-deniers".

    After many decades use of the GPS, everything about
    GPS is extremely well _measured_.

    It is a fact that a sidereal day by a satellite in GPS orbit
    is measured to last (1 + 4.4647e-10) longer than when
    it is measured with a clock on the geoid.

    And then it is easy to understand that a mean solar day would
    be measured to last 86400((1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s.

    ------------------------

    Physics is all about experimental evidence.

    So when someone say:
    "Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
    straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs."

    Then that someone has made a giant fool of himself
    and revealed that he is an idiot.




    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.

    Quite.
    And the result is:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Paul,  why didn't you read what you wrote yourself
    just some paragraphs above?
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition - a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps
    at Earth, but ~86400.00003875 at a GPS satellite.
    And ~99766s in a rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2 (hasn't really been measured, of course,
    but let's say I believe what your insane Shit is
    saying about that).


    I note with interest that even Doppler shift is "insane shit"..

    It seems like you are too stupid to understand how great
    fool you are making of yourself.



    Do you find it problematic that the new definition
    is more precise than the old one?

    No, but I find problematic that a bunch of religious
    maniacs is lying it is more precise - ignoring
    the facts anyone can check at GPS.

    I note with interest that you don't know that
    an atomic clock is more precise than a clock
    calibrated to the old definition.

    Are you too dumb to understand this obvious fact?




    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...

    What?

    ~86400.00003875 on a GPS satellite.
    ~99766 in a gedanken rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2.
    That's - repeat - THE RESULT OF COMPARING A
    MEAN SOLAR DAY  TO 1/86400 OF ITSELF - according
    to your insane guru.

    So the only way a time can be measured is to compare it to
    a mean solar day? :-D

    Tell me, Paul -  did your idiot guru write in his
    idiotic paper all  the claims derivable and valid
    in his idiotic theory?
    Yes or no?

    Does that mean that you haven't read Einstein's papers?
    How do you know it is an idiot theory if you don't know
    what the theory is?

    I have read them, though. And I can tell you that
    everything I have told you is derivable from Einstein's theory.

    If you think there are inconsistencies in Einstein's paper
    I suggest you read the papers an point out exactly what
    is inconsistent.

    Start with this:
    https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf

    and continue with this:
    https://paulba.no/paper/Foundation_of_GR.pdf

    Make my day, say that you don't have to read Einstein's shit
    to know that his theory is idiotic.


    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to Paul.B.Andersen on Thu Apr 10 19:35:50 2025
    On 4/10/2025 3:39 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

    To sum up:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Einstein could use the old definition.
    Modern physicists can not.


    Oh, can't they? What a pity :(((
    Sane people, on the other hand - can't
    use their ideological idiocy, anyone can
    check GPS.

    Do you really not understand that to measure time to
    a precision 1e-15 you must use an atomic clock which
    has the very precise definition built in?

    And they for sure have a very precise definition built
    in instead that ideological absurd your bunch of idiots
    is trying to enforce.
    Once again: if they applied your ISO - they wouldn't
    indicate t'=t (i.e. wouldn't be synchronized). Do
    you get it, or are you too stupid even for that?



    >
    Are you pretending to be that ignorant, or are you really
    that ignorant?


    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    I am not going to quarrel with you.

    I am telling facts.
    There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC the time zones.

    These networks could not work with the old definition of second.


    Sorry,  that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will  you deny?
    Of course, loosing it would be "proper" for
    some  religious maniacs, but it's still
    something sane people are not going to allow.

    I note with interest that you claim the TAI network
    consisting of 450 atomic clocks doesn't exist. :-D

    I note with no interest that you lie again,
    as expected from a relativistic idiot; didn't
    claim that or anything similar.



    I am not going to quarrel about that, but maybe you should
    look up:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time


    ;
    ;
    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.
    ;
    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀
    ;
    And is  it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?
    ;
    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,
    ;
    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?
    ;
    Yes! Did you really not understand that?

    Another lie, it claims exactly the opposite,
    according to it in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower.
    Did you really not understand that?

    You are making a fool of yourself again.
    This is Doppler shift.

    This is Doppler shift indeed and The Shit
    is claiming that in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower, not
    as running faster.




    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not
    measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?

    I said obviously!
    If it isn't obvious to you you can't be very smart.



    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measured by a clock in GPS orbit a mean solar day would be
    86400.00003875 seconds.
    Experimental verified fact.\

    Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
    straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs.
    A measurement is - comparing measured [something]
    to the unit. When the unit changes, the measurement
    changes too.

    You are babbling nonsense.

    I will tell you some facts:

    It is 120 years since Einstein introduced SR, and 110 years since
    he introduced GR.


    True, it's 120 years since the idiot mumbled that
    comparing a mean solar day to 1/86400 of itself
    must give 86400.000038575 or 90000 or 95000 -




    During more than a century innumerable experiment testing SR and GR
    are made, and every one of them have confirmed SR/GR.

    When you talk to a deeply believing christian -
    everything is confirming the existence of God
    for him. The Shit's worshippers are just similar.



    SR and GR are never falsified.


    Too bad they were not even consistent.

    And then it is easy to understand that a mean solar day would
    be measured to last 86400((1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s.


    Sure, after some brainwashing it's easy to
    understand that x compared to 1/86400 of
    itself must give 86400.000038575

    BTW, are you sure it is not 86400((1 - 4.4647e-10)s?
    I took the number from you without much thinking
    yesterday, but it's mistaken too.



    ------------------------

    Physics is all about experimental evidence.

    Only such a primitive moron can believe such a naive
    bullshit, sorry.


    So when someone say:
    "Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
     straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs."

    Then that someone has made a giant fool of himself
    and revealed that he is an idiot.

    Oppositely, that happens when someone is saying
    "Physics is all about experimental evidence."






    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.

    Quite.
    And the result is:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Paul,  why didn't you read what you wrote yourself
    just some paragraphs above?
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition - a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps
    at Earth, but ~86400.00003875 at a GPS satellite.
    And ~99766s in a rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2 (hasn't really been measured, of course,
    but let's say I believe what your insane Shit is
    saying about that).


    I note with interest that even Doppler shift is "insane shit"..


    Feel free to believe that, I have a different opinion.


    It seems like you are too stupid to understand how great
    fool you are making of yourself.



    Do you find it problematic that the new definition
    is more precise than the old one?

    No, but I find problematic that a bunch of religious
    maniacs is lying it is more precise - ignoring
    the facts anyone can check at GPS.

    I note with interest that you don't know that
    an atomic clock is more precise than a clock
    calibrated to the old definition.

    An atomic clock calibrated to the old definition
    is quite precise, indeed. Atomic clocks calibrated
    to your ISO idiocy is lacking precision and pretty
    useless, though, and that's why (anyone can check
    that) GPS clocks are calibrated not to ISO, but to
    9192631770 on Earth and ~9192631774 at a satellite.
    What matches the old definition and doesn't match ISO.




    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...

    What?

    ~86400.00003875 on a GPS satellite.
    ~99766 in a gedanken rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2.
    That's - repeat - THE RESULT OF COMPARING A
    MEAN SOLAR DAY  TO 1/86400 OF ITSELF - according
    to your insane guru.

    So the only way a time can be measured is to compare it to
    a mean solar day? :-D


    Even more generally - the only way anything can be
    measured is to compare it with a declared earlier
    reference unit. For the physics of your idiot guru
    and a time measurement it was 1/86400 of a mean solar
    day. I'm sorry, trash.


    >> Tell me, Paul -  did your idiot guru write in his
    idiotic paper all  the claims derivable and valid
    in his idiotic theory?
    Yes or no?

    Does that mean that you haven't read Einstein's papers?


    No, it doesn't, you fabricate and slander
    as usual. So, yes or no?

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  • From Paul.B.Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 10 22:41:17 2025
    Den 10.04.2025 19:35, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
    On 4/10/2025 3:39 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

    To sum up:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Einstein could use the old definition.
    Modern physicists can not.


    Oh, can't they? What a pity :(((
    Sane people, on the other hand - can't
    use their ideological idiocy, anyone can
    check GPS.

    Do you really not understand that to measure time to
    a precision 1e-15 you must use an atomic clock which
    has the very precise definition built in?

    And they for sure have a very precise definition built
    in instead that ideological absurd your bunch of idiots
    is trying to enforce.
    Once again: if they applied your ISO - they wouldn't
    indicate t'=t (i.e. wouldn't be synchronized). Do
    you get it, or are you too stupid even for that?

    ISO ? ROFL

    I accept that you don't understand that to measure time
    to a precision 1e-15 you must use an atomic clock which
    has the very precise definition built in.

    I also accept that you don't know that the institution
    that has the definitions of units, including the second,
    is The International System of Units (SI).

    There is but one definition of second:

    "The second is defined by taking the fixed numerical value of
    the cesium frequency ∆νCs, the unperturbed ground-state hyperfine
    transition frequency of the cesium-133 atom, to be 9,192,631,770
    when expressed in the unit Hz, which is equal to s^−1."

    So whether you like it or not, this is the dentition used by all
    who are measuring time in seconds.





    Are you pretending to be that ignorant, or are you really
    that ignorant?


    But if you need a clock which you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious >>>>>> choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    I am not going to quarrel with you.

    I am telling facts.
    There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC the time zones.

    These networks could not work with the old definition of second.


    Sorry,  that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will  you deny?
    Of course, loosing it would be "proper" for
    some  religious maniacs, but it's still
    something sane people are not going to allow.

    I note with interest that you claim the TAI network
    consisting of 450 atomic clocks doesn't exist. :-D

    I note with no interest that you lie again,
    as expected from a relativistic idiot; didn't
    claim that or anything similar.

    To my statement:
    "There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC and the time zones.
    These networks could not work with the old definition of second."

    You responded:
    "Sorry, that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will you deny?"

    (I suppose ISo should be SI)

    So you claim that the TAI network doesn't exist because
    the atomic clocks surely can't work with your ISo idiocy;
    if they tried, they would soon loose the synchronization

    An incredible idiotic claim! :-D

    I am not going to quarrel about that, but maybe you should
    look up:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is  it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,

    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?

    Yes! Did you really not understand that?

    Another lie, it claims exactly the opposite,
    according to it in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower.
    Did you really not understand that?

    You are making a fool of yourself again.
    This is Doppler shift.

    This is Doppler shift indeed and The Shit
    is claiming that in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower, not
    as running faster.

    A hint:
    an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun.

    I find it amazing that a person who is posting
    in a physics can be so ignorant of Doppler shift!





    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not
    measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?

    I said obviously!
    If it isn't obvious to you you can't be very smart.



    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measured by a clock in GPS orbit a mean solar day would be
    86400.00003875 seconds.
    Experimental verified fact.\

    Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
    straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs.
    A measurement is - comparing measured [something]
    to the unit. When the unit changes, the measurement
    changes too.

    You are babbling nonsense.

    I will tell you some facts:

    It is 120 years since Einstein introduced SR, and 110 years since
    he introduced GR.

    During more than a century innumerable experiment testing SR and GR
    are made, and every one of them have confirmed SR/GR.
    SR and GR are never falsified.
    Many hundreds of physicists have been involved in these tests.

    Here is some of the experiments:
    https://paulba.no/paper/index.html

    All professional physicists know that SR and GR are so well
    confirmed that is no question of their validity.

    And then an idiot who doesn't even know what Doppler shift is
    claims that all the physicist of the last century are frauds
    who only tell lies about what is measured.

    This idiot must be extremely gullible since he buy
    the mindless propaganda of the "relativity-deniers".


    True, it's 120 years since the idiot mumbled that
    comparing a mean solar day to 1/86400 of itself
    must give 86400.000038575 or 90000 or 95000

    So the real idiot thinks that Einstein in 1915
    mumbled about what the duration of a mean solar
    day would be when measured by a GPS satellite? :-D

    But of course, GR is the theory that make it possible
    to predict what the the duration would be.
    But to do the actual measurement, it was necessary
    to make a more precise definition of a second,
    and invent atomic clocks.

    Now, when all that is done, the duration of a mean solar day
    measured by a clock in GPS orbit is 86400.000038575 s
    as predicted by GR.
    -
    During more than a century innumerable experiment testing SR and GR
    are made, and every one of them have confirmed SR/GR.


    When you talk to a deeply believing christian  -
    everything is confirming the existence of God
    for him.

    Sure. But why do you think it is relevant?

    The Shit's worshippers are just similar.

    Does this cryptic statement mean that there are
    experiment which have falsified SR/GR?
    Can you name one?




    SR and GR are never falsified.
    Many hundreds of physicists have been involved in these tests.

    Here is some of the experiments:
    https://paulba.no/paper/index.html



    Too bad they were not even consistent.

    In that case I am sure you can name which experiment is inconsistent,
    and can explain exactly why.

    Can you do that? :-D


    And then it is easy to understand that a mean solar day would
    be measured to last 86400((1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s.


    Sure, after some brainwashing it's easy to
    understand that x compared to 1/86400 of
    itself must give 86400.000038575

    :-D

    BTW, are you sure it is not 86400((1 - 4.4647e-10)s?

    Yes. It is 86400(1 + 4.4647e-10)s
    I said "clock in GPS orbit", not GPS clock.
    See:
    https://paulba.no/pdf/Clock_rate.pdf

    I took the number from you without much thinking
    yesterday, but it's mistaken too.

    GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
    so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
    to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

    The fact that this adjustment is necessary prove
    the fact that a clock built after the SI defintion
    will be fast by (1 + 4.4647e-10) compared to UTC.

    But you don't understand this, and never will.


    Physics is all about experimental evidence.

    Only such a primitive moron can believe such a naive
    bullshit, sorry.


    So when someone say:
    "Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
      straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs."

    Then that someone has made a giant fool of himself
    and revealed that he is an idiot.

    Oppositely, that happens when someone is saying
    "Physics is all about experimental evidence.

    Its kind of comforting that you are too stupid to understand
    how giant fool you have made by yourself.


    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.

    Quite.
    And the result is:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Paul,  why didn't you read what you wrote yourself
    just some paragraphs above?
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition - a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps
    at Earth, but ~86400.00003875 at a GPS satellite.
    And ~99766s in a rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2 (hasn't really been measured, of course,
    but let's say I believe what your insane Shit is
    saying about that).


    I note with interest that even Doppler shift is "insane shit"..


    Feel free to believe that, I have a different opinion.

    OK. You have changed your mind. Doppler isn't "insane shit".



    It seems like you are too stupid to understand how great
    fool you are making of yourself.



    Do you find it problematic that the new definition
    is more precise than the old one?

    No, but I find problematic that a bunch of religious
    maniacs is lying it is more precise - ignoring
    the facts anyone can check at GPS.

    I note with interest that you don't know that
    an atomic clock is more precise than a clock
    calibrated to the old definition.

    An atomic clock calibrated to the old definition
    is quite precise, indeed. Atomic clocks calibrated
    to your ISO idiocy is lacking precision and pretty
    useless, though, and that's  why (anyone can check
    that) GPS clocks are calibrated not to ISO, but to
    9192631770 on Earth and ~9192631774  at a satellite.
    What matches the old definition and doesn't match ISO.

    Thank you for confirming that you don't know that
    it would be impossible to make an atomic clock
    run to a precision 1e-15 without the new definition
    of the second.

    BTW, why do you think the ISO standard is relevant to
    the definition of a second?
    "Atomic clocks calibrated to your ISO idiocy is lacking
    precision and pretty useless."

    You are very confused, are you not? https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/ISO-date-format.

    The institution that defines unit standard is:




    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...

    What?

    ~86400.00003875 on a GPS satellite.
    ~99766 in a gedanken rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2.
    That's - repeat - THE RESULT OF COMPARING A
    MEAN SOLAR DAY  TO 1/86400 OF ITSELF - according
    to your insane guru.

    So the only way a time can be measured is to compare it to
    a mean solar day? :-D


    Even more generally - the only way anything can be
    measured is to compare it with a declared earlier
    reference unit. For the physics of your idiot guru
    and a time measurement it was 1/86400 of a mean solar
    day. I'm sorry, trash.


    So now you don't even try to make sense.


    Tell me, Paul -  did your idiot guru write in his
    idiotic paper all  the claims derivable and valid
    in his idiotic theory?
    Yes or no?

    Does that mean that you haven't read Einstein's papers?
    How do you know it is an idiot theory if you don't know
    what the theory is?

    I have read them, though. And I can tell you that
    everything I have told you is derivable from Einstein's theory.

    If you think there are inconsistencies in Einstein's paper
    I suggest you read the papers an point out exactly what
    is inconsistent.

    Start with this:
    https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf

    and continue with this:
    https://paulba.no/paper/Foundation_of_GR.pdf>

    Make my day, say that you don't have to read Einstein's shit
    to know that his theory is idiotic.

    No, it doesn't, you fabricate and slander
    as usual. So, yes or no?

    Not quite the answer I asked for, but close.

    Interesting to know that Einstein's papers are
    my fabrications. Should I be proud?


    I think we end it here.

    I have noted during years that you never ever have made
    a sensible statement in your posts. Just meaningless nonsense.
    That's why I previously have ignored you and never responded to you.

    But I thought it would be interesting to see if you could defend
    your idiotic claims. You couldn't.

    So back to normal.
    From now I will ignore you again.

    It has been fun, though.
    Thanks for the entertainment. :-D

    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to Paul.B.Andersen on Thu Apr 10 23:52:50 2025
    On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
    Den 10.04.2025 19:35, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
    On 4/10/2025 3:39 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

    To sum up:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Einstein could use the old definition.
    Modern physicists can not.


    Oh, can't they? What a pity :(((
    Sane people, on the other hand - can't
    use their ideological idiocy, anyone can
    check GPS.

    Do you really not understand that to measure time to
    a precision 1e-15 you must use an atomic clock which
    has the very precise definition built in?

    And they for sure have a very precise definition built
    in instead that ideological absurd your bunch of idiots
    is trying to enforce.
    Once again: if they applied your ISO - they wouldn't
    indicate t'=t (i.e. wouldn't be synchronized). Do
    you get it, or are you too stupid even for that?

    ISO ? ROFL

    I accept that you don't understand that to measure time
    to a precision 1e-15 you must use an atomic clock which
    has the very precise definition built in.

    I also accept that you don't know that the institution
    that has the definitions of units, including the second,
    is The International System of Units (SI).

    There is but one definition of second:

    No, there is another, you've even quoted it.
    I accept that, being a fanatic idiot, you're
    enchanting the reality. I accept that you
    imagine that all the mortal worms have no choice
    but to obey those utterly idiotic commands of
    your utterly idiotic church. Well, a mistake
    of yours.


    So whether you like it or not, this is the dentition used by all
    who are measuring time in seconds.

    No, whether you like it or not it is not,
    anyone can check GPS, sorry, trash.


    you can bring anywhere and
    still trust it runs at the correct rate, 1 second per second,
    an atomic clock ticking out seconds as defined by SR is the obvious
    choice.

    No it is not, anyone can check GPS, serious
    people performing real (not gedanken) measurements
    didn't even consider your ideological idiocy.

    I am not going to quarrel with you.

    I am telling facts.
    There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC the time zones.

    These networks could not work with the old definition of second.


    Sorry, that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will you deny?
    Of course, loosing it would be "proper" for
    some religious maniacs, but it's still
    something sane people are not going to allow.

    I note with interest that you claim the TAI network
    consisting of 450 atomic clocks doesn't exist. 😂

    I note with no interest that you lie again,
    as expected from a relativistic idiot; didn't
    claim that or anything similar.

    To my statement:
    "There are a lot of atomic clocks on ground and in space.
    The TAI network which is the base of UTC and the time zones.
    These networks could not work with the old definition of second."

    You responded:
    "Sorry, that is not any fact, that's
    a very impudent lie, expected of course from
    a relativistic idiot like yourself. But they
    surely can't work with your ISo idiocy; if
    they tried, they would soon loose the
    synchronization - will you deny?"

    (I suppose ISo should be SI)

    So you claim that the TAI network doesn't exist

    No, a lie again, I've never claimed that or anything alike.


    the atomic clocks surely can't work with your ISo idiocy;

    That I claimed.

    if they tried, they would soon loose the synchronization

    Do you say they wouldn't?


    I am not going to quarrel about that, but maybe you should
    look up:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Atomic_Time

    Now: an observer moving with c/2 wrt
    solar system is measuring the length
    of solar day.

    If an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun,
    then Einstein and Newton would agree that the observer
    in his telescope would see the angular frequency
    of the Earth Doppler shifted by ~ ω ≈ 1.73⋅ω₀

    And is it THE RESULT OF MEASUREMENT according
    to you?

    Yes of course.
    The observer will _see_ the Earth spinning fast,

    Will he also _see_ a clock of a person on
    Earth running fast? Is THAT what your
    beloved Shit is claiming?

    Yes! Did you really not understand that?

    Another lie, it claims exactly the opposite,
    according to it in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower.
    Did you really not understand that?

    You are making a fool of yourself again.
    This is Doppler shift.

    This is Doppler shift indeed and The Shit
    is claiming that in such circumstances the
    clock will be seen as running slower, not
    as running faster.

    A hint:
    an observer is moving at c/2 towards the Sun.

    No matter towards or backward, according to
    The Shit the clock will be seen running slower.


    The observer moving at c/2 relative to the Sun can obviously not
    measure
    the proper length of a mean solar day.

    Some taboo or what?

    I said obviously!
    If it isn't obvious to you you can't be very smart.



    The mean solar day will be measured to be 86400 seconds only
    by a stationary clock on the geoid.

    Measured by a clock in GPS orbit a mean solar day would be
    86400.00003875 seconds.
    Experimental verified fact.\

    Take your "experimental verified fact" and put it
    straight into your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs.
    A measurement is - comparing measured [something]
    to the unit. When the unit changes, the measurement
    changes too.

    You are babbling nonsense.

    I will tell you some facts:

    It is 120 years since Einstein introduced SR, and 110 years since
    he introduced GR.

    During more than a century innumerable experiment testing SR and GR
    are made, and every one of them have confirmed SR/GR.
    SR and GR are never falsified.
    Many hundreds of physicists have been involved in these tests.

    Here is some of the experiments:
    https://paulba.no/paper/index.html

    All professional physicists know that SR and GR are so well
    confirmed that is no question of their validity.

    And then an idiot who doesn't even know what Doppler shift is
    claims that all the physicist of the last century are frauds
    who only tell lies about what is measured.

    This idiot must be extremely gullible since he buy
    the mindless propaganda of the "relativity-deniers".


    True, it's 120 years since the idiot mumbled that
    comparing a mean solar day to 1/86400 of itself
    must give 86400.000038575 or 90000 or 95000

    So the real idiot thinks that Einstein in 1915
    mumbled about what the duration of a mean solar
    day would be when measured by a GPS satellite? 😂

    He mumbled what duration of a mean solar day
    would be measured by anyone or anything.

    But to do the actual measurement, it was necessary
    to make a more precise definition of a second,

    That's right, new definition was absolutely
    necessary since under the old one the mumble of
    the idiot was self denying.

    Now, when all that is done, the duration of a mean solar day
    measured by a clock in GPS orbit is 86400.000038575 s
    as predicted by GR.

    Now after you concocted an unusable absurd
    especially to make the prophecies of the idiot
    fulfilled - they're fulfilled. Or rather - they
    would be fulfilled if someone was able to treat
    the absurd you've invented seriously.

    But even if it really happened - that wouldn't
    change the fact that the physics of the idiot was
    not even consistent.




    -
    During more than a century innumerable experiment testing SR and GR
    are made, and every one of them have confirmed SR/GR.


    When you talk to a deeply believing christian -
    everything is confirming the existence of God
    for him.

    Sure. But why do you think it is relevant?

    The Shit's worshippers are just similar.

    Does this cryptic statement mean that there are
    experiment which have falsified SR/GR?

    No. That means that your "confirmation"
    bullshit is lacking any logic. As for falsification -
    only morons like you can believe its magic
    powers, thinkers more advanced than poor idiot
    Popper (Poincare, Kuhn, Lakatos) knew better.



    Too bad they were not even consistent.

    In that case I am sure you can name which experiment is inconsistent,
    and can explain exactly why.

    I didn't say your experiments are inconsistent,
    I said your theories are.



    And then it is easy to understand that a mean solar day would
    be measured to last 86400((1 + 4.4647e-10)s = 86400.000038575 s.


    Sure, after some brainwashing it's easy to
    understand that x compared to 1/86400 of
    itself must give 86400.000038575

    😂

    BTW, are you sure it is not 86400((1 - 4.4647e-10)s?

    Yes. It is 86400(1 + 4.4647e-10)s

    Well, maybe a mistake of me this time.

    so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
    to last 86400 s

    Yes, they will. See, BTW: the result matching
    your Shit and your SI are only in your sick
    imagination, real clocks are ignoring your
    madness and keep measuring t'=t in old seconds.
    Common sense has been warning your idiot guru.




    The fact that this adjustment is necessary prove

    prove that your SI absurd is an absurd and
    nobody sane is going to treat it seriously.
    And especially people responsible for serious
    measurements.

    But you don't understand this and never will.




    Measurement, poor trash, is comparing measured
    [something] to the unit. In the physics of your
    idiot guru - measuring mean solar day was -
    comparing it to its 1/86400.

    Quite.
    And the result is:
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps.

    Paul, why didn't you read what you wrote yourself
    just some paragraphs above?
    Old definition, a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 8.64 ms.
    New definition - a mean solar day is 86400 s ± 86 ps
    at Earth, but ~86400.00003875 at a GPS satellite.
    And ~99766s in a rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2 (hasn't really been measured, of course,
    but let's say I believe what your insane Shit is
    saying about that).


    I note with interest that even Doppler shift is "insane shit"..


    Feel free to believe that, I have a different opinion.

    OK. You have changed your mind. Doppler isn't "insane shit".

    No, I didn't. Doppler isn't "insane shit".





    It seems like you are too stupid to understand how great
    fool you are making of yourself.



    Do you find it problematic that the new definition
    is more precise than the old one?

    No, but I find problematic that a bunch of religious
    maniacs is lying it is more precise - ignoring
    the facts anyone can check at GPS.

    I note with interest that you don't know that
    an atomic clock is more precise than a clock
    calibrated to the old definition.

    An atomic clock calibrated to the old definition
    is quite precise, indeed. Atomic clocks calibrated
    to your ISO idiocy is lacking precision and pretty
    useless, though, and that's why (anyone can check
    that) GPS clocks are calibrated not to ISO, but to
    9192631770 on Earth and ~9192631774 at a satellite.
    What matches the old definition and doesn't match ISO.

    Thank you for confirming that you don't know that
    it would be impossible to make an atomic clock
    run to a precision 1e-15 without the new definition
    of the second.

    Take your "precision" and put it straight into
    your dumb, fanatic ass where it belongs; real
    measurements of real precision will keep
    ignoring it.





    BTW, why do you think the ISO standard is relevant to
    the definition of a second?

    "Atomic clocks calibrated to your ISO idiocy is lacking
    precision and pretty useless."

    You are very confused, are you not? https://www.techtarget.com/whatis/definition/ISO-date-format.

    The institution that defines unit standard is:

    Some idiots screaming "STANDARD!!! STANDARD!!!"
    aren't enough to establish a standard.






    And the SR shit of your idiot guru was claiming
    the result will be...

    What?

    ~86400.00003875 on a GPS satellite.
    ~99766 in a gedanken rocket crossing Solar System
    with c/2.
    That's - repeat - THE RESULT OF COMPARING A
    MEAN SOLAR DAY TO 1/86400 OF ITSELF - according
    to your insane guru.

    So the only way a time can be measured is to compare it to
    a mean solar day? 😂


    Even more generally - the only way anything can be
    measured is to compare it with a declared earlier
    reference unit. For the physics of your idiot guru
    and a time measurement it was 1/86400 of a mean solar
    day. I'm sorry, trash.


    So now you don't even try to make sense.

    So you don't even know what the word "measurement"
    means. Why am I not surprosed.



    Tell me, Paul - did your idiot guru write in his
    idiotic paper all the claims derivable and valid
    in his idiotic theory?
    Yes or no?

    Does that mean that you haven't read Einstein's papers?
    How do you know it is an idiot theory if you don't know
    what the theory is?

    I have read them, though. And I can tell you that
    everything I have told you is derivable from Einstein's theory.

    If you think there are inconsistencies in Einstein's paper
    I suggest you read the papers an point out exactly what
    is inconsistent.

    Start with this:
    https://paulba.no/paper/Electrodynamics.pdf

    and continue with this:
    https://paulba.no/paper/Foundation_of_GR.pdf>

    Make my day, say that you don't have to read Einstein's shit
    to know that his theory is idiotic.

    No, it doesn't, you fabricate and slander
    as usual. So, yes or no?

    Not quite the answer I asked for, but close.

    Interesting to know that Einstein's papers are
    my fabrications.

    Nope, your fabrication is your claim I didn't
    read them. So, yes or no?


    I have noted during years that you never ever have made
    a sensible statement in your posts.

    Keep raving and spitting, nothing else is
    expected from a relativistic idiot. The
    physics of your idiot guru will remain
    not even consistent.

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 07:08:40 2025
    Am Donnerstag000010, 10.04.2025 um 13:05 schrieb Richard Hachel:
    Le 10/04/2025 à 08:06, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    Have you heard of something called 'acceleration'?

    In flight they use the term 'g-force' as a measure, how fast a pilot
    could be accelerated.

    Such an u-turn at 0.8 c would require to decelerate to almost zero
    speed and accelerate again.

    You could try an u-turn at almost light speed, but that isn't
    recommended, because turning causes a sideways acceleration (called
    'centrifugal force') and pilots cannot withstand more than a few g.

    It depends a little upon the radius of your turn. But at 0.8 that
    radius needed would be rather large.

    So deceleration would be mandatory.

    Unfortunately that also threatens the health of your crew, if higher
    than two or three g.

    But the distance to that star should be long enough to safely
    accelerated and decelerate.

    The main problem is now, that the crew wouldn't live long enough for a
    round trip.




    ...


    TH

    This is a thought experiment, and we assume that the effects of
    acceleration are not taken into account (which is also true for the
    measured times).
    In the classic example of Stella and Terrence, which is world-famous, we assume that d=12al (Tau Ceti),
    that v=0.8/c on the outward journey, during the U-turn (tangential
    velocity),
    and during the return journey.
    We assume that the U-turn takes place over a period of 24 hours of
    proper time, which corresponds to 40 Earth hours.
    I remind you that this is a thought experiment, and not a test of the resistance of human tissue to such accelerations. Now, you absolutely
    must fulfill your role as a lucid poster, and it is important that you
    ask yourself the right questions, which are: 1. Is it true that Dr.
    Richard Hachel is by far the best theorist in the world today, or is he
    a pure charlatan? 2. If he is not a charlatan, how does he come to say
    that there is a tremendous elasticity of lengths and distances in SR
    that physicists themselves have a very poor grasp of? 3. Am I capable of understanding the tremendous intellectual upheaval proposed by Richard,
    and of drawing on paper something that even remotely resembles a
    dilation of distances of 36 ly when we only talk quickly and very poorly about an opposite contraction of 7.2 ly? Am I capable of understanding
    this stroke of genius by Hachel in my self-respecting theoretician's
    mind? That's the question.
    The effects of acceleration are not part of the issue, and not even from
    a measurement perspective (40 hours versus 24 is negligible).


    The entire dammed 'twin paradox' should be dropped, because of the
    nonsense with the 'u-turn in 24 hours'.

    Actually light speed is hard to reach for humans, because a somehow
    acceptable acceleration of say two g would require a lifetime of
    acceleration.

    Now you would need another lifetime to stop at the far side and yet
    another one to accelerate again from there (plus an additional lifetime
    to stop again at planet Earth).

    TH

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 11 11:46:51 2025
    Le 11/04/2025 à 07:07, Thomas Heger a écrit :
    The entire dammed 'twin paradox' should be dropped, because of the
    nonsense with the 'u-turn in 24 hours'.

    Actually light speed is hard to reach for humans, because a somehow acceptable acceleration of say two g would require a lifetime of acceleration.

    Now you would need another lifetime to stop at the far side and yet
    another one to accelerate again from there (plus an additional lifetime
    to stop again at planet Earth).

    TH

    But no!

    This is a thought experiment, so we can imagine anything.

    Second, particles can have such instantaneous accelerations, and if we
    could test this on them, we would see that it works.

    Third, we can stretch the problem by proposing a much longer trajectory.
    For example, we will no longer go around Tau Ceti (12 ly) in 24 hours of
    proper time and 40 hours of Earth time, but we will go around a star 1000 light-years away, for example.

    The acceleration times will have very little impact if we assume an acceleration of 10 m/s² (Earth's gravity for a few months) until we
    obtain a constant velocity of 0.8 c. We can neglect the acceleration
    times, and on return, we will obtain a value for the ratio of due to the periods of uniform motion close to gamma = 1/0.6.

    Each 60-year period in the rocket is equal to a period of 1,100 years on
    Earth.

    But that's not the point, because these things are known. The important
    thing, when someone reads me, is to understand what is not currently known
    or well understood, such as the fact that at a speed of v=0.8c, the
    forward path expands three times, and the backward path contracts three
    times, which is logical and obvious if one correctly understands
    relativistic geometry.

    And here, incredibly, in the 40 years I've been teaching it, no one is
    capable of understanding such a simple fact.

    That's what's important: it's the human inability to grasp a concept that
    a 16-year-old student will easily grasp if I teach it to him, but which
    will completely baffle a Nobel Prize winner in theoretical physics.

    R.H.

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