• Re: Descartes; Cogito, ergo sum. Any AI and Paul Andersen: I don't thin

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to rhertz on Mon Apr 28 08:28:59 2025
    On 4/28/2025 2:09 AM, rhertz wrote:
    "I think, therefore I am" ("Cogito, ergo sum" in Latin) is a
    foundational
    philosophical statement by René Descartes, asserting that the act of thinking
    itself proves the existence of the thinker. Descartes used it as the
    basis
    for his philosophy, arguing that even if everything else could be
    doubted,
    the fact that one is doubting proves their existence.

    Existence i.e. - what?
    Something exists when we apply the word
    "exist" to it. That's all.



    Ask any AI engine this question: Do you think? And all of them will
    respond that they don't.

    Maybe they're mistaken?

    That everything they write is based on
    algorithms over existing knowledge

    Most humans manage no better.



    It applies equally to Paul Andersen. He shows off about that he thinks
    and had deep consciousness, but he is lying. He's a relativistic PARROT,
    and I can't find ANY difference between him and a relativistically
    biased AI engine.

    AI doesn't insult, AFAIK.


    I wonder if Paul EXISTS

    No you don't.

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  • From Richard Hachel@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 28 09:59:34 2025
    Le 28/04/2025 à 08:28, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
    On 4/28/2025 2:09 AM, rhertz wrote:
    "I think, therefore I am" ("Cogito, ergo sum" in Latin) is a
    foundational
    philosophical statement by René Descartes, asserting that the act of thinking
    itself proves the existence of the thinker. Descartes used it as the
    basis
    for his philosophy, arguing that even if everything else could be
    doubted,
    the fact that one is doubting proves their existence.

    Existence i.e. - what?
    Something exists when we apply the word
    "exist" to it. That's all.



    Ask any AI engine this question: Do you think? And all of them will respond that they don't.

    Maybe they're mistaken?

    That everything they write is based on
    algorithms over existing knowledge

    Most humans manage no better.



    It applies equally to Paul Andersen. He shows off about that he thinks
    and had deep consciousness, but he is lying. He's a relativistic PARROT, and I can't find ANY difference between him and a relativistically
    biased AI engine.

    AI doesn't insult, AFAIK.


    I wonder if Paul EXISTS

    No you don't.

    Descartes's opening sentences are magnificent and very well written.
    Then he goes completely off the rails with his "evil genius who deceives
    us." He manages to twist idealist ideology (he would be violently
    criticized by Blaise Pascal and Georges Berkeley) with a grotesque sleight
    of hand that contrasts with the quality of the beginning of his
    exposition. From then on, everything descends into horror. His text no
    longer has any philosophical or theological interest. He defends the idea
    of ​​a God, but a phony God, who gives the world a materialistic slap
    and thus lets it spin without him.

    R.H.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to rhertz on Mon Apr 28 14:03:58 2025
    rhertz wrote:

    "I think, therefore I am" ("Cogito, ergo sum" in Latin) is a
    foundational
    philosophical statement by René Descartes,

    I don't see much edvience of any 'thinking' here...


    "...therefore they are not."









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