• Should we synchronize clocks?

    From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 11:40:52 2025
    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?

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  • From Python@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 13:23:22 2025
    Le 10/05/2025 à 11:40, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    This looks like a very fuzzy definition. I do have two clocks at my place
    that may or not be synchronized. Each is showing a lot of different values
    for t and t'. Which ones am I supposed to compare in order to check if
    they are synchronized?

    Of course if both clocks are broken i.e. are stopped I could compare two constants values, but it would be pointless, as such clocks are not really clock anymore, wouldn't it ?

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Could you describe at least one way to do it in a simple case? And how to
    check accuracy of the applied procedure?

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to Python on Sat May 10 17:38:02 2025
    On 5/10/2025 3:23 PM, Python wrote:
    Le 10/05/2025 à 11:40, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    This looks like a very fuzzy definition.

    Doesn't look like any definition for me.


    Of course if both clocks are broken i.e. are stopped I could compare
    two constants values, but it would be pointless

    Right, it would be.


    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Could you describe at least one way to do it in a simple case? And
    how to check accuracy of the applied procedure?

    Why won't you check GPS documentation for
    that.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 09:40:52 2025
    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?


    What do you mean by "synchronize clocks" if i dare to ask?

    Do you mean synchronize ...the time?

    or

    synchronize ...duration?


    synchronize ...simultaneous?

    synchronize ...events?



    I don't think it's even possible to synchronize a horse race! Some horse
    is going to get out
    of the gate sonner than the other horse, and some horse will
    win because he got a bigger nose.

    Is the clock hands...synchronized?

    Have you ever heard a bunch of cuckoo clocks synchronize cuckoos????

    They should sing in harmony.

    cukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoooooocukoocukoocukoocukoo
    cukooooooooooooocukoocukoocukooooooooooo
    cukoo
    cukoooooooooooo
    cukoooooo
    cukoo?

    Whoever invented the cuckoo clock was...cuckoo.


    There are a lot of cuckoos in here.


    Should we synchronize cuckoo clocks?


    An atomic cuckoo clock?











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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat May 10 20:17:19 2025
    On 5/10/2025 6:40 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?


    What do you mean by "synchronize clocks" if i dare to ask?

    By "synchronize clocks" I mean sychronize
    clocks.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sat May 10 13:03:51 2025
    The Starmaker wrote:

    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?

    What do you mean by "synchronize clocks" if i dare to ask?

    Do you mean synchronize ...the time?

    or

    synchronize ...duration?

    synchronize ...simultaneous?

    synchronize ...events?

    I don't think it's even possible to synchronize a horse race! Some horse
    is going to get out
    of the gate sonner than the other horse, and some horse will
    win because he got a bigger nose.

    Is the clock hands...synchronized?

    Have you ever heard a bunch of cuckoo clocks synchronize cuckoos????

    They should sing in harmony.

    cukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoocukoooooocukoocukoocukoocukoo
    cukooooooooooooocukoocukoocukooooooooooo
    cukoo
    cukoooooooooooo
    cukoooooo
    cukoo?

    Whoever invented the cuckoo clock was...cuckoo.

    There are a lot of cuckoos in here.

    Should we synchronize cuckoo clocks?

    I mean, if you people were into Truths..
    the kind of clocks Einstein was reffering to were
    the makings of ...cuckoo clocks.


    But, I have yet seen anyone here mentioned that
    Einstein was influenced by how cuckoo clocks works.

    I mean, Relativtiy comes from...cuckoo clocks.

    At Albert Einstien time..the mosct accurate clocks then were...cuckoo
    clocks!


    I find it hard to believe in this so-called newsgroup nobody ever
    mentioned that?


    You people know NOTHING about ...Relativity!


    I'm flabbagasted!





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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 10 12:54:15 2025
    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    On 5/10/2025 6:40 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?


    What do you mean by "synchronize clocks" if i dare to ask?

    By "synchronize clocks" I mean sychronize
    clocks.

    Oh, I'm sorry...sychronize??? It dat how the british spel it?




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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Python on Sun May 11 12:46:34 2025
    Python <jp@python.invalid> wrote:

    Le 10/05/2025 à 11:40, Maciej Wo?niak a écrit :
    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    This looks like a very fuzzy definition. I do have two clocks at my place that may or not be synchronized. Each is showing a lot of different values for t and t'. Which ones am I supposed to compare in order to check if
    they are synchronized?

    Of course if both clocks are broken i.e. are stopped I could compare two constants values, but it would be pointless, as such clocks are not really clock anymore, wouldn't it ?

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Could you describe at least one way to do it in a simple case? And how to check accuracy of the applied procedure?

    A simple case for simple minds, avoiding all unnecessary complications: consider the Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System. (IRNSS)
    It (also) operates geostationary satellites.

    The clock for such a geostationary navigation satellite
    is set before launch to 10.229999994484488852 MHz
    Once launched and in position the sat is stationary
    with respect to someone on the ground below it, anywhere in India.

    It is predicted by general relativity, and observed in practice,
    that the clock in the sat is, and remains, synchronous
    with an identical clock on the ground set to 23.00000000000000 Mhz.

    What more could you want, clocks preset to different rates,
    being at rest with respect to each other,
    and being found to remain synchronous, pulse for pulse,
    once the slower one is up in space?

    Jan

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to J. J. Lodder on Sun May 11 14:05:36 2025
    On 5/11/2025 12:46 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
    Python <jp@python.invalid> wrote:

    Le 10/05/2025 à 11:40, Maciej Wo?niak a écrit :
    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    This looks like a very fuzzy definition. I do have two clocks at my place
    that may or not be synchronized. Each is showing a lot of different values >> for t and t'. Which ones am I supposed to compare in order to check if
    they are synchronized?

    Of course if both clocks are broken i.e. are stopped I could compare two
    constants values, but it would be pointless, as such clocks are not really >> clock anymore, wouldn't it ?

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Could you describe at least one way to do it in a simple case? And how to
    check accuracy of the applied procedure?

    A simple case for simple minds, avoiding all unnecessary complications: consider the Indian Regional Navigation Satellite System. (IRNSS)
    It (also) operates geostationary satellites.

    The clock for such a geostationary navigation satellite
    is set before launch to 10.229999994484488852 MHz
    Once launched and in position the sat is stationary
    with respect to someone on the ground below it, anywhere in India.

    It is predicted by general relativity

    A lie, as expected from a relativistic idiot.
    The Shit is predicting all clocks running the
    same rate.

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  • From The Starmaker@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun May 11 10:41:26 2025
    The Starmaker wrote:

    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    On 5/10/2025 6:40 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?


    What do you mean by "synchronize clocks" if i dare to ask?

    By "synchronize clocks" I mean sychronize
    clocks.

    Oh, I'm sorry...sychronize??? It dat how the british spel it?

    Okay, I will tell you How clocks should be...synchronized.



    Everyone on Earth simply needs to synchronize their clock to the time on
    MY clock.

    In other words, if the time on your clock doesn't match mine, you got
    the wrong time. And you will be shot.

    problem solved.


    Anybody wants to know "What time is it?", ask me...I got the correct
    time.

    Go on my website for the correct time.




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    and challenge the unchallengeable.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?=@21:1/5 to The Starmaker on Sun May 11 20:14:24 2025
    On 5/11/2025 7:41 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    The Starmaker wrote:

    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    On 5/10/2025 6:40 PM, The Starmaker wrote:
    =?UTF-8?Q?Maciej_Wo=C5=BAniak?= wrote:

    Time is what clocks indicate.

    If we synchronize clocks - they're
    indicating t'=t; that's what clock
    synchronization means.

    We can do it - that doesn't have to
    be obvious or easy, but that's definitely
    something we can manage in most
    circumstances (with a good accuracy).

    Now should we do it - and make "what
    clocks indicate" to be t'=t - or should
    we rather give up and obey "Laws of
    Nature" announced by a mumbling crazie?
    Maybe GPS wouldn't work if we didn't,
    but what a magnificient symmetry we
    would have instead it.

    That is the question. Isn't it?


    What do you mean by "synchronize clocks" if i dare to ask?

    By "synchronize clocks" I mean sychronize
    clocks.

    Oh, I'm sorry...sychronize??? It dat how the british spel it?

    Okay, I will tell you How clocks should be...synchronized.



    Everyone on Earth simply needs to synchronize their clock to the time on
    MY clock.

    In other words, if the time on your clock doesn't match mine, you got
    the wrong time. And you will be shot.

    problem solved.


    Anybody wants to know "What time is it?", ask me...I got the correct
    time.

    Go on my website for the correct time.

    And "Laws of Nature" announced by some idiot
    guru can kiss our ass.

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