Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.
The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.


You know of course why the SV-clocks made for serious measurements
in the different GNSS systems have to be adjusted differently.

Or don't you?

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.
The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) \
The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

Summarizing - for serious measurement
we have to rely on the old second
instead that mad nonsense your bunch of
idiots is insisting on.
QED.

BTW, you really should learn some basics.
UTC, TAI, GPS time - they're similar but
slightly different (and, of course, none
of them dilates).

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Le 28/06/2025 à 23:29, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.
The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) \
The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

Summarizing - for serious measurement
we have to rely on the old second
instead that mad nonsense your bunch of
idiots is insisting on.
QED.

BTW, you really should learn some basics.
UTC, TAI, GPS time - they're similar but
slightly different (and, of course, none
of them dilates).

Why did you snipped this ? Cannot answer ?

‹ You know of course why the SV-clocks made for serious measurements
in the different GNSS systems have to be adjusted differently.

Or don't you? ›

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On 6/28/2025 11:34 PM, Python wrote:

Le 28/06/2025 à 23:29, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
;
;  > GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
;  > so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
;  > to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.
;
That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

;
Quite right.
The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) \
The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.
;
The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

Summarizing - for serious measurement
we have to rely on the  old second
instead that mad nonsense your bunch of
idiots is insisting on.
QED.

BTW, you really should learn some basics.
UTC, TAI, GPS time - they're similar but
slightly different (and, of course, none
of them dilates).

Why did you snipped this ? Cannot answer ?

‹ You know of course why the SV-clocks made for serious measurements
in the different GNSS systems have to be adjusted differently.

Because it's offtopic.

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Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

  > GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
  > so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
  > to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.

The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000036870 seconds

You know of course why the SV-clocks made for serious measurements
in the different GNSS systems have to be adjusted differently.

Or don't you?

So you don't.
I will have to explain it, then.

If we have a clock on the ground, which is built according
to the "new definition of second", then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in GPS orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in Galileo orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in GLONASS orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000036870 seconds.

Why do you think the measurements are different in different orbits?

This isn't theory, it is real, practical measurement made in
the real world. It is proved every day by the simple fact
that all three GNNS system works.


--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.

The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.

And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.

And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not

And then it should be obvious that

1)no serious clock is relying on your ISo
idiocy (QED, common sense has been warning
your bunch of idiots)
2)the relativistic idiot is desperately
trying to change the subject
3)and he is completely unable to distinguish
between what is - and what would be if; lost
completely in his delusional gedankenland,
as expected from a relativistic idiot.

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Den 30.06.2025 20:56, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
  > Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
  >> On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
  >>
  >>  > GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
  >>  > so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
  >>  > to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.
  >>
  >> That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
  >> are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
  >> of a mean solar day.

  >> Quite right.
  > The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
  > And the designers of the GPS understood that they
  > had to adjust the clocks down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) to
  > make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
  > measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

And then it should be obvious that:

Maciej doesn't understand that when a clock is adjusted down by
(1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds,
then the same clock would measure a solar day to last
84600/(1 - 4.4647e-10) seconds = 84600.000037771 seconds if it
was not adjusted down.

Well done to fail to understand the blazing obvious, Maciej!

1)no serious clock is relying on your ISo
idiocy  (QED, common sense has been warning
your bunch of idiots)
2)the relativistic idiot is desperately
trying to change the subject
3)and he is completely unable to distinguish
between what is - and what would be if; lost
completely in his delusional gedankenland,
as expected from a relativistic idiot.

So many words, and no meaning!
Well done again, Maciej, you are good at this speciality of yours.

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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On 7/1/2025 9:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 30.06.2025 20:56, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.

The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

And then it should be obvious that:

Maciej doesn't understand that when a clock is adjusted down by
(1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds,

Of course I understand that if the reality
matched The Shit of your idiot guru - it
would match The Shit of your idiot guru.

On the other hand, you seem unable to
understand that when a clock is adjusted
down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean
solar day to last 84600 seconds, it is
not adjusted to your ISO idiocy and doesn't
measure a mean solar day to last (1 + 4.4647e-10)
* 86400 secoonds, predicted by The Shit of
your idiot guru.
Well, surprising a bit, even considering the
usual level of relativistic idiots.

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Le 01/07/2025 à 23:19, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/1/2025 9:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 30.06.2025 20:56, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.

The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

And then it should be obvious that:

Maciej doesn't understand that when a clock is adjusted down by
(1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds,

Of course I understand that ...

you had to snip Paul's post in order to not appear as the demented crank
you are?

Hint: it's not working :-)

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On 7/2/2025 4:13 AM, Python wrote:

Le 01/07/2025 à 23:19, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/1/2025 9:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 30.06.2025 20:56, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
;  > Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
;  >> On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
;  >>  > Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
;  >>  >> On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
;  >>  >>
;  >>  >>  > GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
;  >>  >>  > so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
;  >>  >>  > to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.
;  >>  >>
;  >>  >> That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
;  >>  >> are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
;  >>  >> of a mean solar day.
;  >
;  >>  >> Quite right.
;  >>  > The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
;  >>  > And the designers of the GPS understood that they
;  >>  > had to adjust the clocks down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) to
;  >>  > make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
;  >>  > measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.
;  >
;  > And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
;  > been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
;  > measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.
;  >

;

And then it should be obvious that:

Maciej doesn't understand that when a clock is adjusted down by
(1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds,

Of course I understand that ...

you had to snip Paul's post in order to not appear as the demented crank
you are?

You had to snip my post in order to not appear as
a demented fanatic idiot you are, together with
your fellow?

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On 7/2/2025 10:26 AM, J. J. Lodder wrote:

Paul B. Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Wo?niak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
> Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Wo?niak:
>> On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
>>
>> > GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
>> > so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
>> > to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.
>>
>> That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
>> are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
>> of a mean solar day.

>> Quite right.
> The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
> And the designers of the GPS understood that they
> had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) to
> make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
> measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

>
> The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
> And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
> had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
> make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
> measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

>
> The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
> And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
> had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
> make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
> measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000036870 seconds

>
>
> You know of course why the SV-clocks made for serious measurements
> in the different GNSS systems have to be adjusted differently.
>
> Or don't you?

So you don't.
I will have to explain it, then.

If we have a clock on the ground, which is built according
to the "new definition of second", then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in GPS orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in Galileo orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in GLONASS orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000036870 seconds.

Why do you think the measurements are different in different orbits?

This isn't theory, it is real, practical measurement made in
the real world. It is proved every day by the simple fact
that all three GNNS system works.

For the possibly misled kiddies:
Nowadays a mean solar day -is defined- to last 86400 SI seconds,
exactly.

For the possibly misled kiddies: a plain, utterly
ridiculous lie by a brainwashed idiot, immediately
denied by GPS and other time systems.

No serious clock is relying on ISO idiocy and
ravings of relativistic fanatics won't change
that. Atomic clocks rule, indeed, but are
adjusted to the old definition. Common sense
has been warning the idiots.

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Paul B. Andersen <relativity@paulba.no> wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Wo?niak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Wo?niak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.

The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

The Galileo-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the Galileo GNSS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.7218e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

The GLONASS-SV clocks are also made for serious measurements.
And the designers of GLONASS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by ((1 - 4.3582e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000036870 seconds

You know of course why the SV-clocks made for serious measurements
in the different GNSS systems have to be adjusted differently.

Or don't you?

So you don't.
I will have to explain it, then.

If we have a clock on the ground, which is built according
to the "new definition of second", then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in GPS orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in Galileo orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000039946 seconds.

If we put the _same_ clock in GLONASS orbit, then this clock will
measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000036870 seconds.

Why do you think the measurements are different in different orbits?

This isn't theory, it is real, practical measurement made in
the real world. It is proved every day by the simple fact
that all three GNNS system works.

For the possibly misled kiddies:
Nowadays a mean solar day -is defined- to last 86400 SI seconds,
exactly.
Except for an occasional day once every few years
(announced long in advance) when it lasts 86401 seconds.

This is done to keep the highly irregular rotation of the Earth
in step with the real time, (TAI, UTC)
as measured by atomic clocks all over the world.

In particular, the time interval
between time signals from your friendly radio station,
from noon to noon the next day, is 86400 SI seconds,
as precisely as it can be made.
The same holds for the time as shown on your computer,
if connected to the internet.

How far the Earth has actually rotated in those 86400 seconds
is something that needs to be measured.
There is an international organisation, the IERS, <www.iers.org>
that keeps track of that.

It publishes the results,

Jan

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Den 01.07.2025 23:19, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 7/1/2025 9:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 30.06.2025 20:56, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
  > Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
  >> On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
  >>  > Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:
  >>  >> On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:
  >>  >>
  >>  >>  > GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
  >>  >>  > so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
  >>  >>  > to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC.
  >>  >>
  >>  >> That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
  >>  >> are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
  >>  >> of a mean solar day.
  >
  >>  >> Quite right.
  >>  > The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
  >>  > And the designers of the GPS understood that they
  >>  > had to adjust the clocks down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) to
  >>  > make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
  >>  > measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.
  >
  > And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
  > been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
  > measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.
  >

And then it should be obvious that:

Maciej doesn't understand that when a clock is adjusted down by
(1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds,
then the same clock would measure a solar day to last
84600/(1 - 4.4647e-10) seconds = 84600.000037771 seconds if it
was not adjusted down.

Of course I understand that if the reality
matched The Shit of your idiot guru - it
would match The Shit of your idiot guru.

But you don't understand that this simply means that
an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure
a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds?

Well done to fail to understand the blazing obvious, Maciej!


To the fact that GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1-4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC,
you quite correctly responded:

"That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day."

So you confirmed the fact that an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit
will measure a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds
as predicted by GR.

An accident? Obviously!

When you write statements which actually means something,
you invariably fail to understand what you are writing.
I find this very funny and entertaining.
That's why I responded.

But your usual meaningless statements containing "shit" and similar,
like the one below, are very boring and nothing to respond to.

On the other hand, you seem unable to
understand that when a clock is adjusted
down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean
solar day to last 84600 seconds, it is
not adjusted to your ISO idiocy and doesn't
measure a mean solar day to last (1 + 4.4647e-10)
* 86400 secoonds, predicted by The Shit of
your idiot guru.
Well,  surprising a bit, even considering the
usual level of relativistic idiots.

--
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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Le 02/07/2025 à 22:31, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/2/2025 9:41 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

..

an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day to
last 84600.000037771 seconds?

It won't, sorry

It did, at least once, for a few hours, even you recognized that.

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On 7/2/2025 11:08 PM, Python wrote:

Le 02/07/2025 à 22:31, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/2/2025 9:41 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

..

an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day

to > last 84600.000037771 seconds?

It won't, sorry

It did, at least once, for a few hours, even you recognized that.

So, for some hours of disorder the reality
accidentally matched insane visions of your
insane guru. Satisfied? Finished and won't
come back, sorry, poor stinker.


Together with your fellow idiots you often say
that "universe is not obligged to obey human common
sense". Universe is not, but clocks are human made
devices, poor stinker. THey ARE obligged. And
your brainwashed bunch can't spoil that, you're
too stupid and not important enough.

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On 7/2/2025 9:41 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 01.07.2025 23:19, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 7/1/2025 9:56 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 30.06.2025 20:56, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/30/2025 7:51 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 28.06.2025 23:29, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 6/28/2025 9:22 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

Den 27.06.2025 10:34, skrev Maciej Woźniak:

On 4/10/2025 10:41 PM, Paul.B.Andersen wrote:

GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with

UTC.

That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day.

Quite right.

The GPS-SV clocks are indeed made for serious measurements.
And the designers of the GPS understood that they
had to adjust the clocks down by (1 - 4.4647e-10) to
make the SV-clock stay in sync with UTC and would have
measured 86400 seconds in a mean solar day.

And then it should be obvious that if the clock had not
been adjusted down by (1 - 4.4647e-10), then it would have
measured a mean solar day to last 84600.000037771 seconds.

And then it should be obvious that:

Maciej doesn't understand that when a clock is adjusted down by
(1 - 4.4647e-10) and measures a mean solar day to last 84600 seconds,
then the same clock would measure a solar day to last
84600/(1 - 4.4647e-10) seconds = 84600.000037771 seconds if it
was not adjusted down.

Of course I understand that if the reality
matched The Shit of your idiot guru - it
would match The Shit of your idiot guru.

But you don't understand that this simply means that

It only means that a relativistic idiot
can't distinguish between his gedanken
delusions and the reality.

an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure> a mean solar day to

last 84600.000037771
seconds?

It won't, sorry, because it is only gedanken by
a relativistic idiot and a measurement requires
a real clock - which is obeying neither your insane
guru nor your Si absurd.

Together with your fellow idiots you often say
that "universe is not obligged to obey human common
sense". Universe is not, but clocks are human made
devices, poor halfbrain. THey ARE obligged.

Well done to fail to understand the blazing obvious, Maciej!

To the fact that GPS clocks are adjusted down by (1-4.4647e-10)
so the adjusted clock will measure a mean solar day
to last 86400 s, and the clock will stay in sync with UTC,> you quite

correctly responded:

"That's right - the clocks made for serious measurements
are adjusted (calibrated) to count seconds of 1/86400
of a mean solar day."

So you confirmed the fact that an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit
will measure

It won't measure anything. It is I-M-A-G-I-N-E-D.
You may only imagine it will, you can only imagine
the measurement "confirming" your idiocies - not
even talking how primitive and naive Popper's
bullshit is.
The real measurement are not, and you're even
stupid enough to admit in.

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Le 03/07/2025 à 07:34, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/2/2025 11:08 PM, Python wrote:

Le 02/07/2025 à 22:31, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/2/2025 9:41 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

..

an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar day

to > last 84600.000037771 seconds?

It won't, sorry

It did, at least once, for a few hours, even you recognized that.

So, for some hours of disorder the reality
accidentally matched insane visions of your
insane guru. Satisfied? Finished and won't
come back, sorry, poor stinker.

Together with your fellow idiots you often say
that "universe is not obligged to obey human common
sense". Universe is not, but clocks are human made
devices, poor stinker. THey ARE obligged. And
your brainwashed bunch can't spoil that, you're
too stupid and not important enough.

A car too is a human made device. So it is "obligged" (lol) to run.

Your cognitive dissonances are quite impressive Wozniak.

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On 7/3/2025 9:43 AM, Python wrote:

Le 03/07/2025 à 07:34, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/2/2025 11:08 PM, Python wrote:

Le 02/07/2025 à 22:31, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/2/2025 9:41 PM, Paul B. Andersen wrote:

..

an unadjusted SI-clock in GPS orbit will measure a mean solar

day to > last 84600.000037771 seconds?

It won't, sorry

It did, at least once, for a few hours, even you recognized that.

So, for some hours of disorder the reality
accidentally matched insane visions of your
insane guru. Satisfied? Finished and won't
come back, sorry, poor stinker.


Together with your fellow idiots you often say
that "universe is not obligged to obey human common
sense". Universe is not, but clocks are human made
devices, poor stinker. THey ARE obligged. And
your brainwashed bunch can't spoil that, you're
too stupid and not important enough.

A car too is a human made device. So it is "obligged" (lol) to run.

Right.
Some idiot may postulate that it's
just a common sense prejudice to expect
a car to run, a car shouldn't run but
spin around its axis - and that is
some Law of Nature.
And no experiment would prove the idiot it
is not a Law of Nature.
But the cars of the real world
would ignore the idiot and keep running.
Samely as the clocks of the real world
are ignoring your idiot and keeping
indicating t'=t.

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Le 03/07/2025 à 12:49, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
..

Samely as the clocks of the real world
are [...] keeping
indicating t'=t.

There are two clocks near my place, one kilometer appart at two train
stations.

What you mean by t is shown by one of these clocks, and t' by other one,
right?

How could I check if t = t' ? Both clocks are displaying a lot of
different values: 15:20:21, 15:33:12, and so on...

Should I note on a paper the value displayed on clock A, then walk to
clock B and compare the "t" I recordes with the "t'" I can see then?

I don't think this will work very well. Do you think it will?

So what should I do? How should I pick relevant values for "t" and "t'",
as they are changing, in order to be able to check if t = t' (i.e. both
clocks are "serious clocks" in your terms) or not? This is an engineering practical subject and a very serious question Wozniak.

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On 7/3/2025 9:54 PM, Python wrote:

Le 03/07/2025 à 12:49, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
..

Samely as the clocks of the real world
are [...] keeping
indicating t'=t.

There are two clocks near my place, one kilometer appart at two train

stations.

What you mean by t is shown by one of these clocks, and t' by other

one, right?

How could I check if t = t' ?

Using your brain. Thinking. You're a
true idiot so the method may easily
fail; most people manage, however.

No it is not an engineering problem.
You're not expecting anyone to solve
an engineering problem with no
specification and without even seeing
the place.

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Le 03/07/2025 à 23:41, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/3/2025 9:54 PM, Python wrote:

Le 03/07/2025 à 12:49, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
..

Samely as the clocks of the real world
are [...] keeping
indicating t'=t.

There are two clocks near my place, one kilometer appart at two train

stations.

What you mean by t is shown by one of these clocks, and t' by other

one, right?

How could I check if t = t' ?

Using your brain. Thinking. You're a
true idiot so the method may easily
fail; most people manage, however.

Would you ? How ? How would *you* pick the value t (amongst many) and t' (amongst many) to compare ?

No it is not an engineering problem.
You're not expecting anyone to solve
an engineering problem with no
specification and without even seeing
the place.

What other "specification" about both clocks would you need?

Just ask, I'll provide the specifics. Could you then answer my question?

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On 7/4/2025 12:53 AM, Python wrote:

Le 03/07/2025 à 23:41, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :

On 7/3/2025 9:54 PM, Python wrote:

Le 03/07/2025 à 12:49, Maciej Woźniak a écrit :
..

Samely as the clocks of the real world
are [...] keeping
indicating t'=t.

There are two clocks near my place, one kilometer appart at two

train stations.

What you mean by t is shown by one of these clocks, and t' by

other one, right?

How could I check if t = t' ?

Using your brain. Thinking. You're a
true idiot so the method may easily
fail; most people manage, however.

Would you ? How ? How would *you* pick the value t (amongst many) and

t' (amongst many) to compare ?

No it is not an engineering problem.
You're not expecting anyone to solve
an engineering problem with no
specification and without even seeing
the place.

What other "specification" about both clocks would you need?
Just ask, I'll provide the specifics. Could you then answer my question?

Maybe I can or maybe not.
What accuracy of comparision is required?
Most obvious answer is: buy a medium quality
telescope, but doesn't have to work in every
special case.
No solution is working "everywhere, always,
forever, without maintenance". Only physicists
or their minions may be stupid enough to
believe [they have] such solutions.

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