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    From Mild Shock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 15 20:57:43 2025
    Henri Poincaré believed that mathematical
    and scientific creativity came from a deep,
    unconscious intuition that could not be

    captured by mechanical reasoning or formal
    systems. He famously wrote about how insights
    came not from plodding logic but from sudden

    illuminations — leaps of creative synthesis.

    But now we have generative AI — models like GPT — that:

    - produce poetry, proofs, stories, and code,

    - combine ideas in novel ways,

    - and do so by processing patterns in massive
    datasets, without conscious understanding.

    And that does seem to contradict Poincaré's belief
    that true invention cannot come from automation.

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  • From J. J. Lodder@21:1/5 to Mild Shock on Wed Jul 16 10:03:37 2025
    Mild Shock <janburse@fastmail.fm> wrote:

    Henri Poincaré believed that mathematical
    and scientific creativity came from a deep,
    unconscious intuition that could not be

    captured by mechanical reasoning or formal
    systems. He famously wrote about how insights
    came not from plodding logic but from sudden

    illuminations — leaps of creative synthesis.

    But now we have generative AI — models like GPT — that:

    - produce poetry, proofs, stories, and code,

    - combine ideas in novel ways,

    - and do so by processing patterns in massive
    datasets, without conscious understanding.

    And that does seem to contradict Poincaré's belief
    that true invention cannot come from automation.

    Ask it about the Goldbach Conjecture and you will know,

    Jan

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  • From Thomas Heger@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 17 18:23:36 2025
    Am Dienstag000015, 15.07.2025 um 20:57 schrieb Mild Shock:

    Henri Poincaré believed that mathematical
    and scientific creativity came from a deep,
    unconscious intuition that could not be

    captured by mechanical reasoning or formal
    systems. He famously wrote about how insights
    came not from plodding logic but from sudden

    illuminations — leaps of creative synthesis.

    Consciousness is not what actually 'thinks'.

    You should think about consciousness as an additional subsystem of our
    brain, which has the purpose to make the results of thinking usable.

    Thinking in the form of decision making or finding solutions to problems
    is per se unconscious.

    This is like in a computer:

    the computer itself 'thinks'

    but you cannot use the results, unless you have a monitor, which
    presents the results.

    The mental subsystem 'consciousness' is the equivalent to the monitor
    and not to the CPU.

    Consciousness on the other hand does not think, but pretends to think.

    We only think, that we think with our conscious mind, because that's
    what the conscious mind always does.

    Actually we mainly 'think' with other parts of the brain and also with
    our body, especially the guts.



    ...

    TH

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