Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see your reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect
that the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the current schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning with 5 astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking all the down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without an interior re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7 astronauts in 2 rows,
but the 4 + cargo configuration was a better fit for NASA's plans.
Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see
your reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect
that the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the current schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning with 5 astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking all the down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without an
interior re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7 astronauts
in 2 rows, but the 4 + cargo configuration was a better fit for NASA's
plans.
On 2024-06-22 6:36 a.m., Snidely wrote:
Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see
your reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect
that the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the
current schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning
with 5 astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking
all the down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without
an interior re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7
astronauts in 2 rows, but the 4 + cargo configuration was a better fit
for NASA's plans.
I'm not sure if "Crew Dragon" can fly uncrewed. That is, could a Dragon capsule configured to carry a crew, go dock with ISS without a crew? I
see no reason why not, but that doesn't mean it is possible.
Alain Fournier presented the following explanation :
On 2024-06-22 6:36 a.m., Snidely wrote:
Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see your >>> reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect that >>> the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the current
schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning with 5
astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking all the
down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without an interior >>> re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7 astronauts in 2 rows, but >>> the 4 + cargo configuration was a better fit for NASA's plans.
I'm not sure if "Crew Dragon" can fly uncrewed. That is, could a Dragon
capsule configured to carry a crew, go dock with ISS without a crew? I see no
reason why not, but that doesn't mean it is possible.
Alain Fournier
The problem is having a Crew Dragon ready and a Falcon to loft it. The normal Dragon operation is autonomous. Crew 9 is expected to go aloft
in August. Polaris Dawn will go before then, but has reconfigured the forward hatch.
Falcon boosters seem to be turned in 2-3 weeks, but you need a second
stage as well. I don't know how far ahead those are. There may be differences in the Uppers used for crew, although I imagine SpaceX
wouldn't want to do that.
My guess is that a rescue Dragon would launch with a CDR and PLT just
to make sure the flight has contingencies covered, but I'm neither NASA
nor SpaceX.
On 22/06/2024 15:43 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Alain Fournier presented the following explanation :
On 2024-06-22 6:36 a.m., Snidely wrote:
Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see your >>>> reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect that >>>> the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the current
schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning with 5
astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking all the >>>> down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without an interior >>>> re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7 astronauts in 2 rows, but
the 4 + cargo configuration was a better fit for NASA's plans.
I'm not sure if "Crew Dragon" can fly uncrewed. That is, could a Dragon
capsule configured to carry a crew, go dock with ISS without a crew? I see no
reason why not, but that doesn't mean it is possible.
Alain Fournier
The problem is having a Crew Dragon ready and a Falcon to loft it. The
normal Dragon operation is autonomous. Crew 9 is expected to go aloft
in August. Polaris Dawn will go before then, but has reconfigured the
forward hatch.
Falcon boosters seem to be turned in 2-3 weeks, but you need a second
stage as well. I don't know how far ahead those are. There may be
differences in the Uppers used for crew, although I imagine SpaceX
wouldn't want to do that.
My guess is that a rescue Dragon would launch with a CDR and PLT just
to make sure the flight has contingencies covered, but I'm neither NASA
nor SpaceX.
How many seats does the Crew Dragon docked at the ISS have? At least 4 right?
The Running Man suggested that ...
On 22/06/2024 03:36 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see
your reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect
that the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the
current schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning
with 5 astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking
all the down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without
an interior re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7
astronauts in 2 rows, but the 4 + cargo configuration was a better
fit for NASA's plans.
Of course the return journey will take place within 45 days of launch.
The question is whether it will be with or without astronauts.
At this point, I'm expecting Starliner to return crewed. Taking the additonal time allows for a broader analysis of the problems while there
is still an opportunity to collect more data at low risk, and there
isn't a hurry get home yet.
On 2024-06-23 3:03 a.m., Snidely wrote:
The Running Man suggested that ...
On 22/06/2024 03:36 Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> wrote:
Watch this space, where The Running Man advised that...
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
It's likely that a return will happen within 45 days of launch (see
your reference).
Also, if Butch and Suni don't return within that time, I would expect
that the station will require resupply somewhat sooner than the
current schedule. There is a possibility of a Crew Dragon returning
with 5 astronauts (it's been studied, AIUI) at the cost of not taking
all the down-cargo; I think that 6 astronauts is less likely without
an interior re-fit. ISTR that the design allowed for up to 7
astronauts in 2 rows, but the 4 + cargo configuration was a better
fit for NASA's plans.
Of course the return journey will take place within 45 days of launch.
The question is whether it will be with or without astronauts.
At this point, I'm expecting Starliner to return crewed. Taking the
additonal time allows for a broader analysis of the problems while there
is still an opportunity to collect more data at low risk, and there
isn't a hurry get home yet.
So do I. Nonetheless, it is interesting to evaluate what contingency
plans can be drawn up.
Friday, The Running Man observed:
<https://arstechnica.com/space/2024/06/nasa-indefinitely-delays-return-of-starliner-to-review-propulsion-data/>
Looks like Starliner isn't returning to Earth anytime soon.
Likely to be late August or early-to-mid September. With or without
crew. Work being done to update and test the code capable of autonous
return last used on OFT2 and to complete evaluation of the firing
tests. See Eric Berger at /Ars Technica/ (arstechnica.com) for deeper discussion.
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