• Re: Sick In Canada ? Read This ... Then RUN ! FAST !!!

    From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 5 00:54:34 2023
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    On 12/5/2023 12:30 AM, 56g.1173 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12824885/Canada-mom-stomach-cancer-consider-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-doctors-health-British-Columbia.html


    . . .

      The Canadian 'system' seems eager to exterminate anybody
      with even a bad hang-nail. It's a sign of gross failure,
      implosion, and a certain cold evil-mindedness like you'd
      find in a dystopian movie.


    The story looks like all lies to me.

    I think this is another attempt of American medical insurance companies
    trying to dismantle Canada's Universal Health Care so that they can move
    in and take over. BAD Americans!!!

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  • From 56g.1173@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 5 00:30:40 2023
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    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12824885/Canada-mom-stomach-cancer-consider-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-doctors-health-British-Columbia.html

    . . .

    The Canadian 'system' seems eager to exterminate anybody
    with even a bad hang-nail. It's a sign of gross failure,
    implosion, and a certain cold evil-mindedness like you'd
    find in a dystopian movie.

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  • From John Doe@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 8 13:06:15 2023
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    On 12/4/2023 10:54 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 12/5/2023 12:30 AM, 56g.1173 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12824885/Canada-mom-stomach-cancer-consider-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-doctors-health-British-Columbia.html

    . . .

      The Canadian 'system' seems eager to exterminate anybody
      with even a bad hang-nail. It's a sign of gross failure,
      implosion, and a certain cold evil-mindedness like you'd
      find in a dystopian movie.


    The story looks like all lies to me.

    I think this is another attempt of American medical insurance companies trying to dismantle Canada's Universal Health Care so that they can move
    in and take over. BAD Americans!!!



    Exactly. The Canadians I know wouldn't ever even consider trading their healthcare for ours.

    Sure there are issues. But our system has dozen issues for every issue
    they have. And the GOP is trying to make ours even worse now by forcing
    women to carry dead fetuses to term and outlawing birth control.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to John Doe on Fri Dec 8 16:31:34 2023
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    On 12/8/2023 3:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
    On 12/4/2023 10:54 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 12/5/2023 12:30 AM, 56g.1173 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12824885/Canada-mom-stomach-cancer-consider-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-doctors-health-British-Columbia.html


    . . .

      The Canadian 'system' seems eager to exterminate anybody
      with even a bad hang-nail. It's a sign of gross failure,
      implosion, and a certain cold evil-mindedness like you'd
      find in a dystopian movie.


    The story looks like all lies to me.

    I think this is another attempt of American medical insurance
    companies trying to dismantle Canada's Universal Health Care so that
    they can move in and take over. BAD Americans!!!



    Exactly. The Canadians I know wouldn't ever even consider trading
    their healthcare for ours.

    Sure there are issues. But our system has dozen issues for every issue
    they have. And the GOP is trying to make ours even worse now by
    forcing women to carry dead fetuses to term and outlawing birth control.


    I live in the Province of Ontario where the government-run, single-payer insurance company is called "Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP)". It
    gets its funding from both the Provincial and the Federal governments.
    Our doctors and hospitals are private. They bill OHIP for their services automatically for patients already covered by OHIP. I can make an
    appointment to see my doctor and I walk out the door without paying.
    When I was admitted to hospital for medical procedures, I also walked
    out the door without paying when I was discharged.

    I got all my ultrasound, CT, MRI for free. There is no waiting list for ultrasound, but CT and MRI waiting period will be about a few weeks. Of
    course there will be no waiting list if you end up in the hospital and
    the doctor there can get you scanned right away.

    I personally know people who had lung transplant, liver transplant, hip replacement... all covered by OHIP. No money coming out of the pocket of
    the patient. Even the prescription drugs and 3 square meals a day are
    free while in the hospital.

    Cataract surgery will cost $800 in a hospital. You can get better
    options if you get it done in a private laser eye clinic for a higher
    price, ranging from $1500 to $3500, depending on your options.

    Prescription drugs are free for senior citizens over 65. Our
    prescription drugs are cheaper than in the US because the Canadian
    government negotiates the best prices from Big Pharma on behalf of the
    whole country.

    Many propaganda machines in the US criticize the "waiting list" for
    major surgeries, like hip replacement, in Canada. My retort is, you've developed your bad hip joint over a lifetime of at least 50 or more
    years, there is no reason you cannot wait 6-12 months for your hip
    replacement surgery for free. Of course if you break your hip in an
    accident and end up in the hospital, you will get your hip replacement
    surgery done right away.

    Those propaganda machines in the US always ignore the fact that if you
    don't have insurance coverage and if you cannot afford to pay, you won't
    get the surgery at all in the US.

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  • From Frank <"frank@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 9 08:23:15 2023
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    On 12/8/2023 4:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 12/8/2023 3:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
    On 12/4/2023 10:54 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 12/5/2023 12:30 AM, 56g.1173 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12824885/Canada-mom-stomach-cancer-consider-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-doctors-health-British-Columbia.html

    . . .

      The Canadian 'system' seems eager to exterminate anybody
      with even a bad hang-nail. It's a sign of gross failure,
      implosion, and a certain cold evil-mindedness like you'd
      find in a dystopian movie.


    The story looks like all lies to me.

    I think this is another attempt of American medical insurance
    companies trying to dismantle Canada's Universal Health Care so that
    they can move in and take over. BAD Americans!!!



    Exactly. The Canadians I know wouldn't ever even consider trading
    their healthcare for ours.

    Sure there are issues. But our system has dozen issues for every issue
    they have. And the GOP is trying to make ours even worse now by
    forcing women to carry dead fetuses to term and outlawing birth control.


    I live in the Province of Ontario where the government-run, single-payer insurance company is called "Ontario Health Insurance Plan (OHIP)". It
    gets its funding from both the Provincial and the Federal governments.
    Our doctors and hospitals are private. They bill OHIP for their services automatically for patients already covered by OHIP. I can make an
    appointment to see my doctor and I walk out the door without paying.
    When I was admitted to hospital for medical procedures, I also walked
    out the door without paying when I was discharged.

    I got all my ultrasound, CT, MRI for free. There is no waiting list for ultrasound, but CT and MRI waiting period will be about a few weeks. Of course there will be no waiting list if you end up in the hospital and
    the doctor there can get you scanned right away.

    I personally know people who had lung transplant, liver transplant, hip replacement... all covered by OHIP. No money coming out of the pocket of
    the patient. Even the prescription drugs and 3 square meals a day are
    free while in the hospital.

    Cataract surgery will cost $800 in a hospital. You can get better
    options if you get it done in a private laser eye clinic for a higher
    price, ranging from $1500 to $3500, depending on your options.

    Prescription drugs are free for senior citizens over 65. Our
    prescription drugs are cheaper than in the US because the Canadian
    government negotiates the best prices from Big Pharma on behalf of the
    whole country.

    Many propaganda machines in the US criticize the "waiting list" for
    major surgeries, like hip replacement, in Canada. My retort is, you've developed your bad hip joint over a lifetime of at least 50 or more
    years, there is no reason you cannot wait 6-12 months for your hip replacement surgery for free. Of course if you break your hip in an
    accident and end up in the hospital, you will get your hip replacement surgery done right away.

    Those propaganda machines in the US always ignore the fact that if you
    don't have insurance coverage and if you cannot afford to pay, you won't
    get the surgery at all in the US.



    There is a lot of good to be said about the Canadian system. You pay
    through your taxes but cost/benefit is probably better.

    Ours is a confused mess of government and private insurance with
    mountains of paperwork that could be avoided.

    You do not have to be able to afford life saving surgeries if needed as
    there is government medicaid.

    As a senior I would like to get my meds for free and see some of the
    price controls used by other governments. I have a med that even with insurance costs 1/3 of what I pay compared to Canadian cost. I am
    considering trying to get through mail order but am looking for a
    reliable source which is difficult with all the bogus sites on the
    internet.

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  • From =?UTF-8?B?8J+YjiBNaWdodHkgV2FubmFiZ@21:1/5 to Frank on Mon Dec 11 21:44:12 2023
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    XPost: alt.survival

    On 12/9/2023 8:23 AM, Frank wrote:
    On 12/8/2023 4:31 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 12/8/2023 3:06 PM, John Doe wrote:
    On 12/4/2023 10:54 PM, 😎 Mighty Wannabe ✅ wrote:
    On 12/5/2023 12:30 AM, 56g.1173 wrote:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12824885/Canada-mom-stomach-cancer-consider-assisted-suicide-euthanasia-doctors-health-British-Columbia.html


    . . .

      The Canadian 'system' seems eager to exterminate anybody
      with even a bad hang-nail. It's a sign of gross failure,
      implosion, and a certain cold evil-mindedness like you'd
      find in a dystopian movie.


    The story looks like all lies to me.

    I think this is another attempt of American medical insurance
    companies trying to dismantle Canada's Universal Health Care so
    that they can move in and take over. BAD Americans!!!



    Exactly. The Canadians I know wouldn't ever even consider trading
    their healthcare for ours.

    Sure there are issues. But our system has dozen issues for every
    issue they have. And the GOP is trying to make ours even worse now
    by forcing women to carry dead fetuses to term and outlawing birth
    control.


    I live in the Province of Ontario where the government-run,
    single-payer insurance company is called "Ontario Health Insurance
    Plan (OHIP)". It gets its funding from both the Provincial and the
    Federal governments. Our doctors and hospitals are private. They bill
    OHIP for their services automatically for patients already covered by
    OHIP. I can make an appointment to see my doctor and I walk out the
    door without paying. When I was admitted to hospital for medical
    procedures, I also walked out the door without paying when I was
    discharged.

    I got all my ultrasound, CT, MRI for free. There is no waiting list
    for ultrasound, but CT and MRI waiting period will be about a few
    weeks. Of course there will be no waiting list if you end up in the
    hospital and the doctor there can get you scanned right away.

    I personally know people who had lung transplant, liver transplant,
    hip replacement... all covered by OHIP. No money coming out of the
    pocket of the patient. Even the prescription drugs and 3 square meals
    a day are free while in the hospital.

    Cataract surgery will cost $800 in a hospital. You can get better
    options if you get it done in a private laser eye clinic for a higher
    price, ranging from $1500 to $3500, depending on your options.

    Prescription drugs are free for senior citizens over 65. Our
    prescription drugs are cheaper than in the US because the Canadian
    government negotiates the best prices from Big Pharma on behalf of
    the whole country.

    Many propaganda machines in the US criticize the "waiting list" for
    major surgeries, like hip replacement, in Canada. My retort is,
    you've developed your bad hip joint over a lifetime of at least 50 or
    more years, there is no reason you cannot wait 6-12 months for your
    hip replacement surgery for free. Of course if you break your hip in
    an accident and end up in the hospital, you will get your hip
    replacement surgery done right away.

    Those propaganda machines in the US always ignore the fact that if
    you don't have insurance coverage and if you cannot afford to pay,
    you won't get the surgery at all in the US.



    There is a lot of good to be said about the Canadian system.  You pay through your taxes but cost/benefit is probably better.

    Ours is a confused mess of government and private insurance with
    mountains of paperwork that could be avoided.

    You do not have to be able to afford life saving surgeries if needed
    as there is government medicaid.

    As a senior I would like to get my meds for free and see some of the
    price controls used by other governments.  I have a med that even with insurance costs 1/3 of what I pay compared to Canadian cost.  I am considering trying to get through mail order but am looking for a
    reliable source which is difficult with all the bogus sites on the
    internet.


    This came out in the news just today. Canada is implementing free dental
    care for those people currently not covered by private dental insurance (through employer). It will gradually start with senior citizens, then
    children under 18, then everybody else.

    Who qualifies

    To qualify for the CDCP, the following criteria must be met:

    no access to dental insurance; an adjusted family net income of less
    than $90,000; be a Canadian resident for tax purposes; and have filed
    their tax return in the previous year.

    Canadian residents who have access to dental benefits through a social
    program offered by their province or territory and/or by the federal
    government will be eligible for the CDCP if they meet all the
    eligibility criteria.


    https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/news/2023/12/the-canadian-dental-care-plan.html

    The Canadian Dental Care Plan*

    *From: Health Canada

    Backgrounder

    December 11, 2023

    Oral health is essential to Canadians’ overall health, but oral health
    care can be expensive. A third of people living in Canada do not have
    dental insurance, and, in 2022, one in four Canadians reported avoiding visiting an oral health professional because of the cost.

    Poor oral health can lead to respiratory disease, diabetes
    complications, cardiovascular disease, stroke, cancer, pregnancy
    complications, life-threatening infections, and greater mortality from
    all causes. It can also lead to related mental health issues, reductions
    in quality of life, and, in extreme cases, employment challenges, social
    shame, nutritional issues and isolation.

    The Government of Canada is committed to making life more affordable for Canadians. Budget 2023 outlined the Government of Canada’s plan to build
    a healthy future for Canadians from coast to coast to coast by investing
    $13 billion over five years, and $4.4 billion ongoing to implement the
    Canadian Dental Care Plan (CDCP).

    Once fully implemented, the CDCP will help ease financial barriers to
    accessing oral health care for up to nine million uninsured Canadian
    residents with an annual family income of less than $90,000.

    Oral health professionals play a vital role in delivering oral health
    care, and this plan will allow more Canadians to receive their care.
    Resources and tools on how to assist and inform their patients about the
    CDCP will be provided to the oral health professional community.

    The CDCP is not intended to be a replacement for existing dental
    benefits offered through employer/pension-sponsored or private plans.
    However, it is intended for the CDCP to fill existing gaps in coverage
    and complement existing provincial and territorial dental programs.

    The Government of Canada has engaged provinces and territories on the
    CDCP and is encouraging them to maintain their existing dental programs
    and to continue investing in oral health. The Government of Canada is
    committed to working with provinces and territories, as well as oral
    health care professionals, to ensure that Canadians continue to have
    access to affordable, accessible, and essential oral health care.

    ........... follow the link to continue reading

    https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/news/2023/12/the-canadian-dental-care-plan.html

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