• Orthodoxy and the pursuit of masculinity

    From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 28 13:16:16 2025
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    Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of manliness'

    Lucy Ash, BBC News

    In a YouTube video, a priest is championing a form of virile,
    unapologetic masculinity.

    Skinny jeans, crossing your legs, using an iron, shaping your
    eyebrows, and even eating soup are among the things he derides as too
    feminine.

    There are other videos of Father Moses McPherson - a powerfully built
    father of five - weightlifting to the sound of heavy metal.

    He was raised a Protestant and once worked as a roofer, but now serves
    as a priest in the Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia (ROCOR) in Georgetown, Texas, an offshoot of the mother church in Moscow.

    ROCOR, a global network with headquarters in New York, has recently
    been expanding across parts of the US - mainly as a result of people
    converting from other faiths.

    In the last six months, Father Moses has prepared 75 new followers for
    baptism in his church of the Mother of God, just north of Austin.

    "When my wife and I converted 20 years ago we used to call Orthodoxy
    the best-kept secret, because people just didn't know what it was," he
    says.

    "But in the past year-and-a-half our congregation has tripled in
    size."

    During the Sunday liturgy at Father Moses's church, I am struck by the
    number of men in their twenties and thirties praying and crossing
    themselves at the back of the nave, and how this religion - with
    traditions dating back to the 4th century AD - seems to attract young
    men uneasy with life in modern America.

    Software engineer Theodore tells me he had a dream job and a wife he
    adored, but he felt empty inside, as if there was a hole in his heart.
    He believes society has been "very harsh" on men and is constantly
    telling them they are in the wrong. He complains that men are
    criticised for wanting to be the breadwinner and support a
    stay-at-home wife.

    "We are told that's a very toxic relationship nowadays," Theodore
    says. "That's not how it should be."

    Almost all the converts I meet have opted to home-school their
    offspring, partly because they believe women should prioritise their
    families rather than their careers.

    Father John Whiteford, an archpriest in the ROCOR from Spring, north
    of Houston, says home-schooling ensures a religious education and is
    "a way of protecting your children", while avoiding any talk about "transgenderism, or the 57 genders of the month or whatever".

    Compared to the millions of worshippers in America's evangelical
    megachurches, the numbers of Christian Orthodox are tiny - only about
    one percent of the population. That includes Eastern Orthodoxy, as
    practised across Russia, Ukraine, eastern Europe and Greece, and the
    Oriental Orthodox from the Middle East and Africa.

    Founded by priests and clergy fleeing the Russian Revolution in 1917,
    ROCOR is seen by many as the most conservative Orthodox jurisdiction
    in the US. Yet this small religious community is a vocal one, and
    what's unfolding within it mirrors broader political shifts,
    especially following President Donald Trump's dramatic pivot toward
    Moscow.

    The true increase in the number of converts is hard to quantify, but
    data from the Pew Research Centre suggests Orthodox Christians are 64%
    male, up from 46% in 2007.

    A smaller study of 773 converts appears to back the trend. Most recent newcomers are men, and many say the pandemic pushed them to seek a new
    faith. That survey is from the Orthodox Church in America (OCA), which
    was established by Russian monks in Alaska in the late 18th Century
    and now has more than 700 parishes, missions, communities,
    monasteries, and institutions in the US, Canada and Mexico which
    identify as Russian Orthodox.

    Professor Scott Kenworthy, who studies the history and thought of
    Eastern Orthodox Christianity - particularly in modern Russia - says
    his OCA parish in Cincinnati "is absolutely bursting at the seams".

    He's attended the same church for 24 years and says congregation
    numbers remained steady until the Covid lockdown. Since then, there
    has been constant flow of new inquirers and people preparing to be
    baptised, known as catechumens.

    "This is not just a phenomenon of my own parish, or a few places in
    Texas," Prof Kenworthy says, "it is definitely something broader."

    The digital space is key in this wave of new converts. Father Moses
    has a big following online - when he shares a picture of a positive
    pregnancy test on his Instagram feed he gets 6,000 likes for
    announcing the arrival of his sixth child.

    But there are dozens of other podcasts and videos presented by
    Orthodox clergy and an army of followers - mainly male.

    Father Moses tells his congregation there are two ways of serving God
    - being a monk or a nun, or getting married. Those who take the second
    path should avoid contraception and have as many children as possible.

    "Show me one saint in the history of the Church who ever blessed any
    kind of birth control," Father Moses says. As for masturbation - or
    what the church calls self-abuse - the priest condemns it as "pathetic
    and unmanly".

    Father Moses says Orthodoxy is "not masculine, it is just normal",
    while "in the West everything has become very feminised". Some
    Protestant churches, he believes, mainly cater for women.

    "I don't want to go to services that feel like a Taylor Swift
    concert," Father Moses says. "If you look at the language of the
    'worship music', it's all emotion - that's not men."

    Elissa Bjeletich Davis, a former Protestant who now belongs to the
    Greek Orthodox Church in Austin, is a Sunday school teacher and has
    her own podcast. She says many converts belong to "the anti-woke
    crowd" and sometimes have strange ideas about their new faith -
    especially those in the Russian Church.

    "They see it as a military, rigid, disciplinary, masculine,
    authoritarian religion," Elissa says. "It's kind of funny. It's almost
    as if the old American Puritans and their craziness is resurfacing."

    Former atheist Buck began exploring Russian Orthodoxy during the Covid
    pandemic

    Buck Johnson has worked as a firefighter for 25 years and hosts the
    Counterflow podcast.

    He says he was initially scared to enter his local Russian Orthodox
    Church as he "looks different, covered in tattoos", but tells me he
    was welcomed with open arms. He was also impressed the church stayed
    open throughout the Covid lockdown.

    Sitting on a couch in front of two huge TV screens at his home in
    Lockhart, he says his newfound faith is changing his view of the
    world.

    "Negative American views on Russia are what worry me," Buck says. He
    tells me the mainstream, "legacy" media presents a distorted picture
    of the invasion of Ukraine.

    "I think there's a holdover from the boomer generation here in America
    that lived through the Cold War," Buck says, "and I don't quite grasp
    why - but they say Russia's bad."

    The head of the Russian Church in Moscow, Patriarch Kirill, has
    doggedly backed the invasion of Ukraine, calling it a Holy War, and
    expressing little compassion for its victims. When I ask Archpriest
    Father John Whiteford about Russia's top cleric, who many see as a
    warmonger, he assures me the Patriarch's words have been distorted.

    Footage and photographs of Putin quoting Bible verses, holding candles
    during services in Moscow's Cathedral of Christ the Saviour and
    stripping down to his swim trunks to plunge into icy water at
    Epiphany, seem to have struck a chord. Some - in America and other
    countries - see Russia as the last bastion of true Christianity.

    Nearly a decade ago, another Orthodox convert turned priest from
    Texas, Father Joseph Gleason, moved from America to Borisoglebskiy, a
    village four hours' drive north of Moscow, with his wife and eight
    children.

    "Russia does not have homosexual marriage, it does not have civil
    unions, it is a place where you can home-school your kids and - of
    course - I love the thousand-year history of Orthodox Christianity
    here," he told a Russian video host.

    This wispy-bearded Texan is in the vanguard of a movement urging
    conservatives to relocate to Russia. Last August, Putin introduced
    fast-track shared values visa for those fleeing Western liberalism.

    Back in Texas, Buck tells me he and his fellow converts are turning
    their backs on instant gratification and American consumerism.

    "We're thinking of things long term," Buck says, "like traditions,
    love for your family, love for you community, love for neighbours.

    "I think that orthodoxy fits us well - and especially in Texas."

    Source:
    <https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30q5l8d4lro>

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  • From Steve Hayes@21:1/5 to hayesstw@telkomsa.net on Wed May 28 13:24:40 2025
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    On Wed, 28 May 2025 13:16:16 +0200, Steve Hayes
    <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:

    Young US men are joining Russian churches promising 'absurd levels of >manliness'

    Lucy Ash, BBC News

    A bishop responds: Bishop Irinei of Western Europe responds to the BBC
    artic le about young men joining the Orthodox Church to bolster their masculinity.


    ‘Seeking After Worldly Visions of “Masculinity” is Not an Orthodox Pursuit’: A Word From Bishop Irenei.

    25 May, 2025 | Communications from the Diocesan Bishop

    https://orthodox-europe.org/content/remarks-25th-may-2025/

    The following brief talk was given by His Grace Bishop Irenei of
    London and Western Europe after the Divine Liturgy of 25th May 2025 in
    the Diocesan Cathedral, London.

    Christ is risen!

    I wish to say a small word here after this Divine Service, in the name
    of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.

    It’s not often, in fact, it’s extremely rare that I ever comment from
    this place on things going on in the media or in the political world,
    because for the most part these have no bearing upon our life in
    Christ. But I do want to say something today that’s in response
    directly to something in the press. As of this morning, there’s an
    article that has been published in the mass media. It’s on the radio
    and so on, about the Russian Church, particularly in America, but more
    broadly about the Church Abroad, and it talks about the Church in
    terms of people seeking ‘masculinity’ and a ‘conservative environment’ and a political environment that’s different from the ‘liberal’ world around them. And I feel it’s necessary to say something in light of
    this to all of you who are here.

    It doesn’t overly concern me when the media misrepresents the Orthodox
    Faith. In fact, I cannot even really blame them most of the time,
    because of course, it’s not their job, and we don’t expect an
    understanding of spiritual things from a non-spiritual environment.
    When they try honestly and openly and make mistakes, we simply ignore
    it. It’s different, of course, if there is malicious intent or a
    deliberate desire to misrepresent the teachings of the church. This
    sometimes happens, though it doesn’t seem to be the case, really, in
    this particular instance.

    I’m not overly concerned about what the media thinks of us. However, I
    am very concerned about what you think of us. That is to say, about
    what each Orthodox person understands about the Church. We live in a
    culture where too many people, including people in our own Church,
    turn to the media, whether it be traditional or social media, or other
    things, and think that they will find there some accurate echo of the Church’s teaching. This almost never happens. Almost always, what is presented in the media - especially in social, but even in traditional
    media - is a distortion, a mischaracterisation, intentional or
    otherwise, and not a safe place to gain an understanding of the
    Church’s teaching.

    So there have been a few reports of late, including this most recent
    one currently making the rounds, about a number of young people
    converting to Orthodoxy, particularly young men, converting because
    they find in the Orthodox Church, according to these reports, an
    environment that preaches ‘masculinity’ and real ‘manhood’. And I want to say that if you’re here because you think that that’s what we are
    here to do, then you are a fool. This is stupidity. ‘Masculinity’, so
    far as I am aware, is not an Orthodox term. It is not a term that has
    any traditional place in Christianity. It is a term embraced by the
    secular world because this world has rejected normal concepts of
    humanity, in which of course there is male and there is female, there
    is child, there is adult. These are simply human beings. But because
    the world has lost sight of the basics of what it means to be human,
    it is forced to respond to the lack of clarity it has pushed on itself
    by fostering these concepts of ‘femininity’, ‘masculinity’, and so on.

    None of this has anything to do with the teaching of Jesus Christ.
    This Church proclaims a simple reality that in Jesus Christ our
    Saviour, all of us discover what it means to be a human being, what it
    means to become a human person. And this is to live according to the
    Gospel after the image of Christ. If you have lost sight of what it
    means to be a man in this strange world, or if you have lost sight of
    what it means to be a woman in this strange world, this is hardly
    surprising. This world is more confused about these simple concepts
    than about almost anything else. So if you are here because you are
    confused and you wish to find sanity and normality in the teaching of
    Christ: God bless you, and may we by God’s mercy be of some help.

    But if you are here because you think this is a place where you can
    reinforce some cultural masculinity, if you’re here because you think
    this is the place to rebel against what you see going on politically
    around you or socially around you, please keep on going - go somewhere
    else. We are not here for this reason. We preach one thing and one
    thing only: the Gospel of Jesus Christ, our Lord. We preach it without
    fear, and we preach it without agenda. Our only goal is that every
    single human being might become a living image of Christ Himself. That
    men might become Christ-like men; that women might become Christ-like
    women; that children might be true children of God; that the aged
    might find the real respect due to those who long live and struggle
    for Christ; that this world might come to understand what it means to
    be redeemed.

    All of these other characterisations of Christian life and
    characterisations of Church life, the thing they all have in common is
    that they seem never to be religious at all. Their only interest is in
    social and political questions. ‘What are your views on masculinity,
    on sexuality, on politics, on government, on war?’ Do not come here,
    if those are the questions that drive your life. Come here for one
    reason: because you are aware, somewhere deep inside of you, that
    something is wrong. Something is wrong with you, with me, with the
    world in which we live, and this something is called sin, and this is
    the place where it can be healed.

    If you come to this place because you think it’s the spot to find a
    political ideology that matches yours; if you come here because you
    think we are going to preach some politics, some worldly mindset, as
    if it allies with the teachings of the Church, please - don’t stay. It
    is foolishness, it is stupidity, to think that there is any government anywhere, be it in Russia, be it in America, be it in Europe, be it
    anywhere, whose teachings can be aligned with those of the Orthodox
    Church. This is nonsense. And if you’re seeking that, keep looking.
    You’ll never find it, and you certainly won’t find it here.

    If you’re seeking a place to come where you can compare a ‘right’
    leaning ideology against the ‘left’ leaning ideology, go somewhere
    else. This is not the place to lean right or left, but the point up
    towards the Kingdom of God. ‘Left’ and ‘Right’, these are totally worldly things. I tire of hearing them. I tire of being asked whether
    the Church sides with one or the other. We reject the entire model. We
    seek one Kingdom, and that is Christ’s kingdom. We have one vision for
    the future of mankind, and that is the vision that Christ lays out in
    the Gospel. Nothing else.

    We are committed and we will be strong to always maintain the truth
    and nothing else. We are not here to be politicians. We are not here
    to be social commentators. We are not here to foster any worldly
    agenda. We are here, and I pray from the bottom of my heart that each
    one of you is here, for only one reason: to listen to the Gospel of
    Jesus Christ, and to do it.

    And let me just conclude by saying this. If you have come here for any
    of those wrong reasons, God bless you. Stay, if what you want is to
    become something different. If what you want is to be changed into
    something different, higher, better than this. That is the whole
    reason the Church exists - for repentance, a change of life. But if
    any of us is here so that we can be reinforced in our cultural
    understandings, so that we can somehow have strengthened our own
    politics or our own social norms, if that’s what you want, go do that
    at home. Go do that by yourself, and come back to us when you’re ready
    to repent.

    This is the Church. Christ’s church. If you want to know what we
    believe, don’t look at the Internet. Don’t read media reports. Listen
    to your own voice when you open your mouth during the Liturgy, and we
    sing «?????..», ‘I believe…’ (the Creed). That is what we believe. If you want to see what humanity looks like, look at the humanity in the
    Church: a humanity grounded in forgiveness and love and mutual
    support, and following Christ God. May this be our only mission and
    our only goal. And if we have failed in proclaiming this to the world,
    if the world has cause to think of us otherwise, because of our
    shortcomings, let us do better. And where others are misrepresenting
    us, just ignore them, don’t react, don’t respond; but above all, don’t
    be swayed by this kind of nonsense. We know what is the truth. We know
    what is our calling, and that is what we will do with our life. God
    bless you, Amen.

    Source:
    <https://orthodox-europe.org/content/remarks-25th-may-2025/>






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    The OCA was the result of RC Eastern Rite Wilkes-Barr PA bishop Alexis Toth rebelling against imperiously obnoxious NYC RC Bp John Ireland and aligning
    his Central European coal miner flock with Moscow in 1892.

    "Sebero Aleutska Metropolia" signage is on the "soviet" cathedral in
    Manhattan formed to minister to TurcoTatars found in near-polar regions of Russia, Alaska and Scandinavia.

    Loftus & Arons Unholy Trinity exposes that ROCOR was a sham front set up by soviet triple agent Prince Turkul to make Russian Tsarist exiles look foolish by engaging in self destructive adventures.

    The "masculine" church is driving away women who refuse to marry fellow Orthodox.


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