• 9/11 2001, 2008, 2014, 2019, 2022: humanity chooses death

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 6 10:05:19 2023
    After the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, a period of calm existed on
    Earth. Personally I found it worrying, because I knew the evil people
    with too much money where planning something, because it was too good
    to be true. A new round of evil was coming. The population didn't care,
    as usual. They live for the day.

    Below are the struggles, mostly in the area of propaganda, which
    humanity has lost. Every time there was a small amount of people who
    cared for the truth and did their best. Every time the evil used their propaganda tactics succesfully, and pulled the great masses into
    ignorance and evil. One of the most important propaganda tactics
    deployed was to associate good people and what they where saying, with
    idiotic and absurdly behaving people, so that the masses would gain an emotional disdain for hearing the truth. The herd instinct of the masses
    was turned against them, and they followed their evil bosses.

    The final nail in the coffin of humanity is: just not even caring. It
    should have been easy enough to see through the lies, but people in
    general simply do not care. All the usual tactics where of course
    deployd, such as lying by omission, fabricating false stories and
    extreme twisting of the truth. The population should have noticed how
    both sides where no longer being heard, which is a hallmark of good
    journalism. It isn't even so much about the truth, because who really
    knows the truth ? It is about hearing all sides. To deliver that message honestly.

    Perhaps this is why the propaganda using badly behaving people or clearly
    very stupid people was so effective, because it creates the illusion that
    both sides are being heard. One side just seems to be outrageously stupid
    or reprehensible for other reasons. Recreating and popularizing the Flat
    Earth society by the mainstream media for example, and then associating
    them with how the US ruling class destroy a number of buildings in New
    York to get wars going.

    There was meat on the table for the masses. That is what counted for
    them. Meat today ! Meat today ! Meat today ! Therefore they accepted.
    Meat in exchange for their soul, for their conscience, their morality.
    They will have to go into history as being guilty of what has happened
    and more importantly for what is to come.

    The struggle of: 2001
    Event: Several large buildings in the USA are destroyed
    Evil propaganda: It was done by a business partner and friend of the
    Bush family, Ossama Bin Laden, from somewhere in
    the Middle East. (No wait, scratch that. He was
    not a friend ! Who dares think that ?!)
    Let's go to war ! War war war !!!
    Hey, we caught Ossama bin Laden, how cool is that !
    Oh my, we quickly dumped the body in the sea, how
    cool is that !
    The masses: Eat meat.
    Consequences: * A whole new series if wars was started in the
    Middle East. Entire Nations where eventually
    destroyed. Million dead, intense suffering.
    * USA put a new Nazi style legislation into effect.
    * USA eventually ratifies and accepts torture,
    apparently based on these events. The USA is
    therefore openly no longer part of civilization.

    The road to evil has been chosen, with both
    hands.
    The good wanted: A proper investiganion of the events, and
    punishment for those who did it, most likely an
    element within the USA ruling class and
    Government. No wars at all.

    The struggle of: 2008
    Event: Finance and banking crisis.
    Evil propaganda: We must save the super rich and their failed
    businesses at all cost, or we will all die !
    The masses: Eat meat.
    Consequences: * The super rich and their banks conquer the
    public treasury, and start using it for their own
    ends. There is no longer a system of markets with
    the risk of failure for the super rich. Mussolini
    called Fascism "Corporatism", the rule of the
    Corporations (big business).
    * Eventually this will probably hyperinflate most
    if not all currencies, because it is a global
    project present in most/all countries.
    The good wanted: The failed banks to be restructured or
    eliminated, as is the way of the market. Monetary
    reform, because the system is insane. Money needs
    to be issued and destroyed by the Government,
    without debt.

    The struggle of: 2014
    Event: The coup d'etat in Kiev, Ukraine
    Evil propaganda: The masses want freedom and be part of the
    western Empire.
    The masses: Eat Victoria Nulland her sandwiches
    Consequences: The USA ruling class again helps brings Nazis
    to power in Europe, as they had done for Hitler.
    Europe destabilizes militarily, because in the
    far east of Ukraine the coup d'etat fails and a
    rebellion breaks out. The line Moscow - Berlin is
    again cut, only more to the east. Polarization
    increases. Mobs in Kiev chant "Russians on the
    knives, death to the Communists".

    World War 3 has been started by Obama.

    The struggle of: 2019
    Event: Corona / Covid-19
    Evil propaganda: Shut down much of the economy when we tell you
    to, if you want to survive. Take our medicine if
    you want to survive.
    The masses: Eat meat stuck in their houses.
    Consequences: The economy gets a severe shock. The ruling
    class confirms they can do whatever they want.
    Dictatorial practices and rules gain ground. The
    control over the economy centralizes further. The
    consequences of taking an unproven and
    potentially dangerous gene therapy remain either
    unknown or controversial.

    The struggle of: 2022
    Event: Russia attacks/invades Ukraine
    Evil propaganda: One of the most corrupt countries in Europe, Ukraine,
    is our long lost friend, let's all wave their
    flag. Now a Russian attack on a radicalized
    Ukraine is an attack on us all. (To war !)
    The masses: Buy meat at a Ukranian market stand.
    Consequences: A local conflict in Donbass eastern Ukraine,
    which was already long stalled, suddenly becomes
    a large scale but not global war between Russia
    and USA + Vassal states within Ukraine. The
    polarization intensifies.

    The future is more or less baked into the consequences of the above
    events. The same events will likely keep happening, in the same
    direction, because the same people create the policies, and the masses
    react in the same way - at least so long as there is meat on the table.
    This is critical, of course (I don't narrowly mean meat, but overall: a relatively comfortable life, money to spend on all kinds of things).

    The overall direction toward dictatorship and then tyranny with torture
    and death squads where needed, will spread and continue. The corruption
    within the State will worsen, in all branches of the Government. The
    financial mismanagement and insanity will worsen, and any crisis moment
    will be a tool to make things fundamentally worse: more restrictive,
    more centralized, more wealth for the few and less wealth for the many.

    World War 3 and terrorism in general is a necessary tool for the ruling
    class to maintain control during this centralization process, and is
    therefore likely to worsen. More Nations in Europe can step by step be
    added to the fire. Will the masses resist the war in Ukraine to
    seriously become World War 3 ? It seems extremely unlikely that the
    masses will not support an assault on Crimea by western forces, and also unlikely that Russia will yield Crimea easily. Will the masses blame
    Russia if whomever sinks one or more Navy vessels from some Vassal State
    of the USA, so that the USA can claim to come to come to the resque even
    though they sank the vessel themselves ?

    If the masses are still eating meat, no amount of killing is too many.

    We are now on the brink it seems, of a large scale economic/financial
    downturn. We where on the brink for s olong, it became a tiring game to
    keep up with. Will it happen this fall ? Quite possible. The fears are
    that an economic/financial problem will lead to more inflation and
    eventually a change into a fully digital currency. More centralized
    control. Capitalism becomes Stalinism, because the power always
    centralizes. This is the nature of this kind of a system. It can only be avoided by an extremely moral and generous population, which does not
    exist on Earth. The system itself is disfunctional.

    Especially damaging are the markets in perpetual ownership of
    land. Yes, the Torah and the truth about economics gets ignored,
    and the consequences could be nuclear war on Earth. Edom says the God
    of the Jewish people is an angry mean God. I rather have some peace
    and everyone having their land, rather than global Nuclear war. Who
    is the nice guy huh ? Foolish people, brainless people. If you want
    to talk about God and gods or whatever that even means: the Jewish
    God put the Jewish people with their Torah into contact with you,
    and had you used your brain and been honest, you could have saved
    yourself endless trouble. I guess you where too busy eating meat.

    Will the nukes be launched ? I think they will be, because it creates a
    huge crisis which the ruling class or some parts thereof can use to
    reshape the whole system. It worked great for the USA to have world War
    2, which also included vanguishing cities and it was already a nuclear
    war as well. It did a lot to destroy democracy around the world,
    especially in Europe, and give dictatorial powers to the ruling class.
    It aided with secrecy, so that many crimes could be covered up.

    If the expectation is major Revolutions due to a failed economy, which
    is very possible especially in Europe (see its history), then the ruling
    class may have decided on a safer path for their lives and power:
    global nuclear war, followed by a system of military dictatorship,
    chaos, death and famine. There are a lot of reports about deep bunkers
    and endless storage within them. If you sit on an enormous amount of
    grains, snug in some bunker while the masses die outside, this could
    give you a lot of control over the people outside.

    They have the food. The masses will do what they say (or so they hope,
    and there is good reason for that hope). It seems like a plan which
    could succeed. A kill chip in the head in exchange for life, for food
    and protection. While they may not get that far, it would be their
    ultimate goal. With a goal in mind, something that attracts them
    according to a path of policies, something which seems attractive to
    them, they will likely keep pushing into that direction.

    Some people say the rich won't do it because they have too much to
    loose. It isn't those rich people doing it. The world is big, there are
    a lot of people in it. They are not all nice.

    Humanity could have chosen an entirely different path, without much
    effort. It would have taken some effort and interest to do it, some
    courage. Some adulthood, some knowing what needs to be done. On that
    matter: I have offered you all a program. It was broadly done by 2008 or
    so, certainly by 2012 a few last pieces put together. This is now 11
    years ago, or even 15 years or more. While it is hard to achieve
    anything, 10 years of time is not nothing either. The program was and is
    good. It was delivered on time. People where too busy eating meat to
    care. The price will be great. After all the dying and misery, what is necessary still needs to be done. You achieved nothing by avoiding
    the call of necessity, or perhaps you sold your souls in exchange for
    temporary luxuries. I think this is called: selling your soul to the
    devil. Short term gains as if by magic, and then a lot of misery.

    By the way, I have nothing against eating meat, on the contrary. I like
    eating meat, although it should be moderated against what is reasonable
    in terms of production. You could say I care more about meat, because I
    want my meat with peace, so that I also have meat tomorrow and not just
    for the day. I would be wanting to keep society going, so that we can
    have a good time living. Some things need to be done to achieve it, such
    as listening to each other carefully. To listen to the other side of the
    story. To care about someone else, to care about justice and not accept
    the reign of criminals, evil or stupidity.

    Can it be done, is it too much ? We don't have much of a choice anymore,
    not with modern technology and the potential for its abuses. If we can't
    do it, then at least we could have tried. Is what we see in the world
    the same as people trying their best or even just a little ? I don't
    know. More could have been achieved in my opinion, more is still
    possible, but what I have seen in terms of human behavior, I am not sure
    a serious and peaceful society is possible with the current state of
    humanity. It should be attempted, but the combination intelligence and
    having a social attitude is dangerously low or worse (hopeless).

    If things are really too bad, the system will naturall destroy itself,
    and that will correct the situation you could say. This is going to be extremely painful. Something like a (near) extinction event.
    Incidentally all the old cultures talk about it, also what survives of
    the old culture in northern Europe called Nordic Mythology. Here it
    says, basically, everything will end. It's all dead (Ragnarok). Some
    version may have two persons surviving, that's it.

    If that is the possible outcome, you could wonder if doing a little
    more for peace and justice was really too much to ask. Those who can,
    please do and save your souls if you cannot save your lives. There is no
    giving up, ever. The greater the challenge, the impossibility, the
    better you could become through it.

    It all could still take years, or who knows. From the past we know that
    it took longer than people could have thought until finally things
    really broke down or Revolutions broke out.

    The situation is bad and worsening. The Internet was also put under
    control through search engine censorship. The trolls on Usenet also
    destroyed this system. Almost every vector either seems to point down,
    or is likely to not be strong enough to make much of any difference in
    the end until the point there is no more meat on the table. I think you
    could probably say that with all the flags of Ukraine around here in the Netherlands, the people are already in a state of war hysteria. The
    flags don't even mean that Ukraine is great or loved. Nobody knows
    anything about Ukraine. It is some country close to Russia, whatever.
    The flags mean hatred against Russia, and that is a call to war. The
    whole thing is already on, World War 3 is already supported at street
    level, because war with Russia implies World War 3, likely nuclear
    because Russia doesn't have much of any other options than to defend
    itself nuclear against this enormous system of the USA and its Vassal
    states.

    Corona, War, inflation ... the great crisis has now definitely hit
    street level, it is affecting the common man now directly in his life
    and environment. This will worsen over time. It takes people too long to
    get to any actionable conclusions, set up organizations, have the
    honesty and social attitude to make that work, and resist internal
    corruption. It all just takes too long, it is too weak and (frankly)
    usually too little too late. The real meat (heh) of a Reform program is
    also so serious, that I don't even think the common people will support
    it, out of their own ignorance, fears, etc. This has been absolutely
    proven by the existence of the Torah, and people simply refusing to do
    some of its more easy and obvious rules (such as to distribute land),
    for thousands of years already. The choice in that sense is also clear,
    that people do not want peace or justice. They want peace and justice
    for *themselves* when it suits them, but even criminals want that.

    Peace and justice for someone else, and the whole Nation, they don't
    want that. The consequences of this choice are slowly worsening, from
    World War 1, World War 2 and now World War 3.

    Jewish people: not having listened to the Torah either, the Torah
    provisions for punishment will likely take effect. You should already
    know what that means, so I don't have to repeat it. The last punishment
    was the Nazi holocaust, so you can do the math. Needless to say, the
    Zionist rebel State in the Middle East is a disaster, and certainly
    *not* the Redemption - although hopefully still a precursor event. It
    could still become the Redemption. God willing it happens, and the
    Jewish people who survive will give the example which will save humanity.

    Wow, that certainly seems to be a long shot at this point, but it might
    be the best chance for a future. The Torah is forever, everything else
    will just disappear I guess. The Torah and science is also one system in
    my opinion. It isn't really a religion, is it ? Enough chatter for now
    ;-).

    Stop with the prosbul, force your Rabbi to return to the Torah, or
    become your own Rabbi. The corruption of Israel has to also stop. Israel
    sides with the nations right now, and chooses death with them.

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 6 11:09:43 2023
    What would have likely happened, if humanity had behaved themselves
    more like an adult. How could the world look today.

    The struggle of: 2001
    Event: Several large buildings in the USA are destroyed
    The good wanted: A proper investiganion of the events, and
    punishment for those who did it, most likely an
    element within the USA ruling class and
    Government. No wars at all.

    If enough people had listened to the real experts on how high rise steel
    framed buildings burn, and had mastered the adulthood not to be slaves
    to their ruling class and learned from history ... then the first round
    of investigations into "9/11" would have focussed on the mass media
    propaganda creators themselves, and from their to those who are
    financing this propaganda. It would also focus on neglicence to the
    point of criminality within the US Military, which is another line to
    the inner clique who is responsible for 9/11.

    A whole cluster of criminals with big badges would have been ripped out
    of the US State. It may have also reduced the Republican and/or Democratic parties, due to their involment.

    There would have been no wars in the Middle East, and quite possibly for
    a longer time the USA is going to commit less evil in other Nations.
    Fewer coups against democratic States, fewer tyrannies set up. Fewer
    disasters such as ruining Iran (Dictatorship thanks to USA) or Iraq
    (same). It could have had major implications for hundreds of millions of people. Their whole lives could have been completely different and
    incomparably better.

    The struggle of: 2008
    Event: Finance and banking crisis.
    The good wanted: The failed banks to be restructured or
    eliminated, as is the way of the market. Monetary
    reform, because the system is insane. Money needs
    to be issued and destroyed by the Government,
    without debt.

    Now we are in a situation where "9/11" has been succesfull dealt with,
    so a dangerous inner criminal clique is out of commission in the USA.
    This gives good people more influence to also deal with 2008.

    Large banks would have been destroyed. This would likely have caused an economic shock, possible downturn, in the immediate to medium term,
    perhaps even longer. I don't know if it would have yielded much or
    anything which seems evident in an improvement for ordinary people in
    their daily lives if it had happened. A group of evil people and their
    banks would have been taken out. Laws could have been passed to prevent
    any bank to become as large as the banks have become. Banks would remain businesses, probably under tighter rules. There would have been more
    banks, and fewer extremely big banks.

    Restructuring the National Debt pyramid scam is probably not easy either because of so many things being infected by buying debt certificates,
    but that doesn't mean it is impossible. With the monetary system finally
    to something that can function, this can also result in economic shocks
    in the short term, but in the long term it will free op money for the
    public good. The money is not lost in the pyramid scam to be paid as
    interest, and this long term destabilization is off the table. People in
    high places who understand these things, may have calmed down a little,
    and be less prone to organize coups and wars to deal with a future of
    economic destabilization in their own Empire. Things would be less
    risky.

    The struggle of: 2014
    Event: The coup d'etat in Kiev, Ukraine

    If this had been resisted, World War 3 could have been off the table, or
    at least this attempt to create it would have been defeated. Other
    attempts could still occur of course.

    The struggle of: 2019
    Event: Corona / Covid-19

    If this had been defeated, the ruling class would have gained a fresh
    fear of the people. They would therefore become less prone to high level
    crimes and extreme risk taking, because they realize they could face consequences of a population which is capable of at least some
    resistance to absurd policies.

    The group who created the Corona virus and released it, may no longer
    even be in existence, as they may have been taken out already during the
    "9/11" investigations. If parts of these people remain, or new evil
    people took their places and the program continued, then these people
    could have been caught and put in prison.

    The struggle of: 2022
    Event: Russia attacks/invades Ukraine

    This would not have happened.

    The economy would currently not be on the brink of a worse financial
    crisis. There would be no chance for World War 3 because the anti
    Russian propaganda would have failed. The officers, soldiers and
    population would not likely follow orders to attack Russia (and from the
    side of Russia the same).

    It would merely be 2023, just another year. The power would be more in
    the hands of politicians who at least have a minimum of adulthood, a
    minimum of common sense and normal behavior. The issues facing them
    would probably scare them, things would be more serious in politics.
    More heated debates also, perhaps more anger, but for reason of the
    importance and consequences of what is happening. Politics would be more
    real. Perhaps even Internet sencorship would have failed, and we could
    find any and all opposition in existence. We could hear all sides, and hopefully people would.

    Today what we have is the worst evil people in control, politics at the
    highest level is absurd and seems to be heavily corrupted, the TV is in
    power, the newspapers, all under the influence of the same moneyed
    cliques, all blearing out the same propaganda.

    However ... the system is still a failure. There was no move (other than
    me proposing it perhaps) to restructure the economy in a major way.
    Power would centralize anyway. New cliques of ultra greedy people would
    find their way to the top.

    This is what is happening, and eventually good or at least half normal
    people loose control. Fixing all these issues above, it was likely still
    a matter of time until power centralized so much that this was no longer possible. This is however also a bit fatalistic, but perhaps not
    unrealistic. In that sense, it was a matter of time before the criminals
    would gain full control. They still don't have it, but the system plays
    into their hands. The guilt over that falls to the common people, and
    they will pay the price for it.

    The cost for ignoring the truth in economics, or the Torah if you want
    to put it that way (which contains certainly the minimum truths about economics), is war, tyranny and death, potentially eventually also
    the collapse of Nations and even extinction or near extinction. The consequences can worsen, the more power technology has to be abused.

    However we could even make another level of fantasy here, and think of
    at least the land being distributed to all. This would be highly
    hypothetical, because it is very unlikely to have succeeded with the
    current state of humanity and its ignorance and carelessness. If that
    had happened however, it would have created a major stabilization in the economy and market, at a personal level. The society would become a
    meritocracy (more). Less poverty, more creativity, more freedom and responsibility. Life would be more interesting and revolve more around
    personal adventures in life. I think there will be less interest in
    these grand stories of massive wars and all the other crazyness the
    mass media produces. Life could be much more enjoyable for most if not
    all people.

    This is the life humanity has given up. Humanity chose against life.

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