• Music festival "super nova" in Israel: idolatry in Israel

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 17:11:24 2023
    Video: Guardian News

    How Hamas attack on music festival in Israel unfolded
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APAhJYIhXv4

    Second 27: A large statue of an far eastern idol.

    Measuring the video (nearby head size, idol size), the idol seems to be somewhere 4-6 meter high, on a raised platform which is also about that
    high. This is a detailed idol, like a worked out metal shape.

    Needless to say, this is completely against the Torah. The Torah
    contains the death penalty for this behavior.

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    Is it fair that the Torah contains such a harsh punishment for seemingly innocent or even well meaning idol worship or just youthfull crazyness.

    There are a lot of problems in the long term with idolatry on the one
    hand, and with leaving the Torah on the other hand. Both can be deadly
    and lead to war and tyranny, death and suffering on a greater scale.
    One problem with idolatry is apathy: the idol will sort things out, we
    have to do nothing. A second problem is bad teachings associated with
    the idol, also often centering on apathy and also misguided ideas of superiority without real effort. While in the modern time, most
    religions seem to have at least some good in it, it is usually not
    enough. The damage is especially great in Israel, who have something
    better: the Torah and law of Mozes (Moshe Rabbeinu).

    You could also say: the crazyness is for the goyim, the gentiles. If
    they want to experiment, that is their problem. Israel was to remain the example of the good, so that there is hope for humanity, an example. A
    physical example, not just words. It is clear that words have little or
    no effect on most people, hence I can write here ad infinitum about
    economics, but it has no effect. People need to see, and see the result,
    before they might take notice. They don't listen. Israel doesn't even
    listen, despite their past and obligations.

    It is also noteworthy, in a more political sense, that anyone should
    know that serious Muslims have a deep hatred idolatry as well, certainly including far eastern idols. To put up this idol right under their noses
    and dance before it, is also asking for trouble. It will invigorate and motivate some of their most angered, militant or however you want to put
    it (criminals if you like, as it is still murder).

    Whatever you think of this idolatry, it doesn't seem to be a smart move
    to do this kind of thing in such a tense situation and place, and also
    to drag youth into it who probably don't even have a clue about what
    they may be doing, what the history is of things like this, and how it
    may be perceived with Palestinian Militants, religious people (Muslems
    and Jewish, both inside and outside of Gaza), and so on. It doesn't in
    this sense matter if you think it should be this or it should be that.
    You bring young people in additional danger, and for what need ? It
    seems irresponsible to me. It wasn't so long ago that some huge Bhudda
    statue was blasted off a mountain by some Muslem people (Afghanistan
    2001).

    I guess this may even be part of this idolatry. "The idol will fix it"
    or "the world doesn't even exist, just close your eyes !".

    In Torah like fashion the question can no be asked: did your Buddha get
    up, and protected you ? You danced before it, you celibrated it, you
    must have made the thing happy, but it did nothing for you. You died,
    where taken hostage.

    They broke the laws of their God, the Creator of Everything, God of
    everyone and everything therefore (including Islam, who have the exact
    same definition of God as do the Jewish people, in stark contrast to
    for example the Europeans). The God of the Jews had no obligation to
    help them, as they came out against his Torah, right in the land of
    Israel. It shows again I suppose, that the State of Israel is not
    Jewish. They are Jews of course, there is no question about that, but culturally it is not Jewish. It is not the Torah and increasingly not
    even Judaism as it was known for many centuries.

    I should say, that the severity of humanity on Earth, the risks it is
    taking with its long term future, are such, that either some Nations or
    all of them get things right very soon, or this can become a high
    technological hell world sooner or later, and face a massive
    unprecedented destructive war in which Billions may die. If Israel is to finally give the example again, and doesn't want to listen after decades
    of nice messages from so many people including perhaps most importantly
    Moshe Rabbeinu himself - through the Torah, just reading it, and its
    prophets ... then it is understandable that at some point the hard point
    of doing wrong is going to hit. What other options are there, while
    still maintaining the free will of humanity ?

    A child falls on its knee, and cries. He learns to stand up and walk
    straight. The pain served a purpose.

    A species is headed for a hell of their own making. The pain of them
    killing each other in worse and worse numbers starts to bite. They cry,
    and perhaps will want to learn how to become adults and avoid such
    disasters in the future - an eternity that is. It is a matter of
    technology. The technology keeps rising, although sometimes it falls,
    but after certain levels have been reached which we see now, you can no
    longer abuse it for war and tyranny. A war with spears or a war with
    machine guns is one thing, but a war with nuclear bombs which each can
    lay waste to a massive million+ person city with one push of a button is another matter, and then whatever else would be developed after that,
    including tools and tricks of high technological tyranny, run by
    criminals no less. It's over. This cannot be.

    I hope the people in Israel who study the Torah and do its Mitsvoth, or
    other people who are also good hearted and kind and willing to do what
    is right, that they will be safe forever, and one day build a Redeemed
    Israel. Hopefully soon ... it must be soon. Things are out of control on
    so many vectors.

    Here is one idea for starters: blame the idol, and destroy it. Apologize
    to the Muslems for having danced before the idol. This will make them
    happy a little perhaps, while both sides are suffering and people have
    lost those they loved the most - a pain which might never fully recover.

    Another sad day on Earth.

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  • From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 9 19:22:01 2023
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re%27im_music_festival_massacre (…)

    Prelude
    See also: Battle of Re'im

    On 6 October 2023, the weekend-long outdoor trance music festival,
    called the Supernova Sukkot Gathering,[7][8] began in the western Negev
    desert,[6] approximately 5 km (3.1 mi) from the Gaza–Israel barrier,
    near the Re'im kibbutz.[3][9] It was produced by an organizer called
    Nova,[9][6][a] as the Israeli edition of Universo Paralello, a psy
    trance festival that originated in Bahia, Brazil.[7] According to
    the organizer, the site was booked only two days before, after the
    original location in southern Israel backed out.[11] Scheduled to
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    coincide with the Jewish festival of Simchat Torah,[3] the rave was
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    billed as a celebration of "friends, love and infinite freedom".[9]
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    The festival site had three stages, a camping zone, and an area with
    a bar and food.[3]

    (…) End quote.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simchat_Torah

    Simchat Torah or Simhat Torah (שִׂמְחַת תּוֹרָה‎,
    lit., "Rejoicing with/of the Torah", Ashkenazi: Simchas Torah) is a
    Jewish holiday that celebrates and marks the conclusion of the annual
    cycle of public Torah readings, and the beginning of a new cycle.

    (…) End quote.

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    Comment: The festival was apparently designed as an attack and mocking
    of the Torah, mindless dancing in front of a far eastern idol on the
    special day where Israel celibrates having the Torah and starts a new
    cycle of reading it from the beginning, straight on the land of Israel
    itself, by Israelis themselves.

    Open and large scale idolatry (huge raised statue), on the day of the
    Torah, and then "friends, love and infinite freedom" - meaning you can
    do whatever you want, there are no laws, there is no truth, nothing
    matters so long as you feel good in the moment. There are too many
    alligned coincidences to my taste at least. "Infinite freedom" ?

    So, are you feeling good in the moment now ? You think this whole thing
    has nothing to do with your breaking of the Torah law ? Some of these
    people might be so misguided at this point, they could think this "rave"
    was there to celibrate the Torah (!).

    Try the real freedom: having your own land, for free, as a right. That
    is the Torah law, foolish people. You and the elements, no dictator to
    extort you. That is freedom. You're mostly back to little subservient jobs
    soon aren't you, to slave for the man so you can save money for your
    next rave about "infinite freedom". The real freedom illudes you, slaves
    to this mindless and meaningless statue I guess, promoting apathy as the solution to everything.

    Ah, we should feel sorry for you, now that you suffered the attack. I
    guess so, but if you don't realize you also helped cause it and need to
    do better, it can happen again. Do you want that ? It could be worse,
    and it will get worse, much worse, the way things are going. Nuclear
    world war 3 worse. Next-round-of-punishment-for-Israel worse, 7 times
    worse than the last punishment. That's in the Torah, straight from the punishment section. You know it had that ? I guess not, eh ? Look it up, perhaps it will save your lives next time.

    "Infinite freedom", what love did you show your poor brother there at
    the rave, did you give them an easy loan, made sure they got their free
    land as is their right ? Did you even know about such rights ? Hear Oh
    Israel ... do you hear ? Your God is one, and then there is a whole lot
    more to listen to: no idolatry, and everyone will have their land for
    free in an equal amount.

    The ancestors of the Jewish people did just that, and now look at this
    mess ! Sad just sad, and that at a time with the technology so that the
    whole world could have seen and understood. If only you had kept true,
    the world would perhaps be a paradice right now. In 1917 or much sooner already, the Revolutions would perhaps not have centered on this
    ignorance made up by Karl Marx, but by your example of how an economy
    works. Perhaps earlier already, who knows. Everything could have gone different. A book written with the fantastical crazy story of a Nazi
    holocaust might have thought to be so absurd and violent it might have
    only remained a manuscript in the hands of a madman.

    Now this mess, and getting worse. Oh no, they can't listen now of
    course, they must lick their wounds and everyone needs to feel sorry.
    Solution: more killing and war I suppose, right ? More suffering for
    everyone. I wonder if Israel showed the same enthusiasm for the Torah,
    the real one I mean (what is actually written and not this watered down version), what could happen. The Muslems for sure will be mightily
    impressed, because this religion is quite close in many ways to Judaism.
    This would have an effect. The whole war might collapse.

    But no, they don't want to do that. They want to dance for the idols.
    Good luck with that (not).

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