• Hillel the Elder took the "forbidden fruit" and cause the exile

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 24 12:47:55 2023
    title: Who is Mashiach?
    video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rvL-sW5J04
    source: Efraim Palvanov

    CAESAR'S MESSIAH: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus - OFFICIAL VERSION https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmEScIUcvz0

    It's a lot worse with the western idolators. It is such a mess, it
    boggles the mind. You gave them too much credit, it seems. I thought
    of the theory that the Jesus system was created, to punish the Jewish
    people for believing in Hillel the Elder and his treasonous ways. He is
    claimed to have been a friendly person, running this propaganda that we
    later know from the Jesus people. This is at least talked about in the Wikipedia even. Hillel came from the inside so you loved him, Jesus from
    the outside and you learned to hate him (I hope at least).

    Anyway, Hillel wasn't friendly in my view, or just confused, but
    he poisoned you with his prosbul. That was thievery. You stole the
    money. This is very similar to Eve stealing the "soft fruit". Money
    is the most highly refined product in this world, is it the "fruit"
    of all labor, and it is even softer than a ripened fig because you can
    exchange it for anything of similar value, including figs. You stole
    the money from the poor. This is in Devarim 15, where interestingly it
    goes on quite long about this law (debt forgiveness), and connects it
    with you living in the holy land.

    Adam + Eve stole the soft fruit, and get thrown out of the Garden of
    Eden. Personally I think they became criminals, thieves, robbers, looters, taking things which don't belong to them, they failed to learn to respect someone else's property. Once you steal from someone, the harmony is
    gone, isn't it. You become enemies. The whole place becomes war, anger, fighting. Then Moshe Rabbeinu makes new laws, and the loyal of Israel
    take the promised _land_ from some sort of evil hordes living there,
    destroying them rightfully. With Jehoshua ben Nun, the people of Israel
    return (to a degree) to the Garden of Eden, by giving everyone an equal
    share of the land, and establishing laws of respect and love for each
    other. They chose to respect each other's land. They stop the stealing, reversed what Adam + Eve had done. So they return to Paradise, they turn
    the world of farming into what it should be: paradise for all. it can
    only be that, if you respect each other. Not fear each other, that's
    criminals warping the language. Respect each other's rights and peace
    by principle. Otherwise, it will merely be a platform for war.

    Sadly what happens later is Israel stops respecting these laws, and
    especially it's Kings seem to want to get all the land under their
    control. Hillel the Elder then repeats what Adam and Eve did wrong, and
    he makes this thievery a law (!). Well, "thievery", you could call it
    thievery compared to what the law was about when it was set. Compared to forgiving the debt, the money is now kept and increased by the rich, and
    judged from the perspective of what the law should have been (and still
    is), you could call that stealing. In Devarim it also says that the poor
    will cry out against you, and Hashem seems to agree with them. You could
    derive from this, that a misdeed has occured, the misdeed of taking the
    loan after the 7th year. A misdeed of thieving, of taking what is not
    theirs anymore. By law, it belongs to the poor.

    Adam & Eve go around stealing things that don't belong to them,
    in particular the most refined thing which is there, a soft fruit (I
    suppose a fig, but who knows). They stole a fig from a tree that wasn't
    their tree, and they knew that it was not their tree and they should
    have left it alone. The consequence is that they get driven out of the
    Garden of Eden, but I think if you read it like this, you can see that
    it doesn't matter if they got driven out or not, because even if they
    stayed in the Garden of Eden, they where going to turn it into a hell
    hole of war and violence. Once you steal from one tree, you steal from
    another. They where going to be a stealing looting people, which creates
    anger and the anger creates violence, and the violence drives the whole
    place into destruction.

    Israel is supposed to help the poor, but they reverse their laws without
    having the right to do so. They stole the money. The result was that they indeed got thrown out of the holy land. That's quite interesting here,
    they actually get thrown out and we know that historically. Technically
    they would have destroyed themselves also, because once you stop
    distributing the power to all by making the rich always more rich,
    especially when you stop respecting the laws of land distribution,
    then you become a Plutocracy, and that is the end. The greed obsessed,
    the immoral, the criminals, will take control. If you don't see that,
    I don't know what can help. A good person is generous, a criminal isn't,
    and once you don't have enough laws to keep the power and money spread
    out enough, it will centralize. Good people stay at normal wealth levels,
    bad people will heap forever more for themselves, and they will own
    everything and then make everyone their slaves.

    So you see how you, the Rabbis, you are in exile because you have done
    what Adam & Eve have done. You stole the money, and you never gave up on
    your prosbul. You just keep going. You are unable to stop. I think this is
    a combination of intellectual shallowness, a lack of bravery ("I want to
    fit in" - whiny voice), and for bad people it is simply a cynical game
    of funding Yeshivas on the premise they support the phony laws which
    support their wealth grabbing. "Oh such a beautiful Yeshiva, look at
    the wrappings of the Torah scroll !" Then in it's beautiful library we
    find the lives there: the snake, with his prosbul and heter iska laws, poisoning the children one by one, hollowing out the Jewish people from
    the inside out, breaking their loyalty and commitment to what is good.

    It is a sad thing, and because it is so blisteringly obvious, so glaring
    and shameful, it makes perfect sense that there is no "moshiach" and
    no help for Israel, no prophets and so on. Still there are miracles,
    even military ones, but if you look at the condition overall of the
    Jewish people, it isn't that good. It is precarious, and will probably
    get worse again. Why would you get help ? Let's say "the moshiach" reads
    a comment like this, and obviously being loyal he has to agree with it,
    because ti is the Torah and also obviously good. Of course the prosbul
    is a lie, duh. There is no discussion possible on this point. It is too glaring. Then let's say the moshiach thinks to himself "Now surely they
    will repent quickly because who can stand to live in this dishonesty
    once being shown, and then with a fdew more things maybe I'll come
    around and save them as a Nation, because they finally seem to want to
    be honest people again". But no, no that never happens. Nobody replies,
    they think whatever they think, probably some emotions and identity
    politics raging through their minds, fear and loathing and all that,
    and then quickly off to ignore reality.

    One in a thousand where the men King Salomon could find ... indeed, or
    perhaps far fewer today. Israel is probably going into the punishment
    again, 7 times worse than the last time (Nazi holocaust). Can you even
    imagine such a slaughter ? Can you imagine the fear ? It is much less
    fearful to side with the truth now, come out against the prosbul. All you
    have to do is stare down a few of your friends and family. They won't
    torture you to death, even if they might be upset, perhaps angry. I
    guess, because you failed to face that fear, you will get a massively
    worse one to deal with. See how the "system" (Hashem) gives you what
    you need, or what you need to learn ?

    I also need to learn, do you think it is without effort I write all
    this ? I also need to face your all anger and your resentment, and
    most of all, your dishonest silence. I face it at least, I face what
    you also need to face, for the sake of the truth. If you cannot face
    this small amount of fear, then how will you deal with 7 holocausts
    into one ? Choose wisely. Your Torah is there, a great guide to life,
    also for an entire Nation. Use it or die, I suppose. You think whatever
    you think in response to this, don't confuse your random hypotheses
    with proven reality, thanks. You have been told what you could do,
    and the dangers you face. Don't come back to me complaining later, for
    example that you had an attack of hatred because I call on you to do
    better or just say something in disagreement with your Rabbis and that supposedly means I want to be a dictator above you, thanks. Those will
    be your thoughts. This is your Torah, can you read it ?

    Does it matter the who or the why ? Do you care about your Torah, or is everything games for power and prestige now, and who do you blame. Ahh
    ok, so we see the reversal, the projection ? Thanks for noticing. You
    may think I want to dominate you and you may have all kinds of sinister projections about that, but the deeper reality is: you want to dominate
    over the Torah, over Moshe Rabbeinu. You don't want to humble yourself
    towards the poor. To deal with the psychological pain of being wrong,
    turn it around into a projection, problem solved. Yes, I judge now
    before knowing as well, but not entirely, because I said the same thing
    already since like 2009 or so, and found zero honest replies to date. I
    have reason to expect the same. Proof me wrong and you win, there you
    go. Repeal the prosbul and go down into history as one of the great
    heroes of your people, right ? It might even reverse the exile. Do you
    care ? Do you have the will ? Do you dare ?

    P.S. These last two paragraphs I deleted on youtube. It got too long
    already, and is more of a gripe with the whole of Israel for not having
    the honesty to acknowledge with me that their prosbul is a fraud. You
    don't even get something like "We think you are a massive asshole and a despicable human being, we know you are crazy and merely want to enslave
    the world so you can have a palace full of whores at your disposal, you
    think we will be yourslaves and serve you wine - and all this what you
    think will happen we will NEVER do for you ... BUT, you are right about
    the prosbul; it is a lie and it should not exist, and I am going to tell
    at least some people that we perhaps need to stop with our fraudulent
    teaching and doing of the Torah." Absurdly, what you get like a handful
    of times in more than a decade of trying (well, certainly not every day
    but still), is that they might admit it is a fantasy level of law, but
    then they do NOTHING to stop it. That's almost worse, that is openly
    accepting fraud as law.

    You see the lie, and then you do at least *something* against it. You
    don't just sit there like a sack of rotting potatoes staring at the wall
    as if it doesn't concern you. If you are Jewish and especially if you
    are religious, it ....

    ... okay going on too long again. Have a nice day. ;-) lol

    Why don't we trade things like this. You can have your King and you can
    be his slaves and all that. Even in my own system, you elect someone
    else to be your King. You give yourself the honor of becoming clean and
    good, and if you so happen to have discovered the truth about the
    prosbul and maybe some other Torah issues (like the distribution of land
    to all), because of what I have written here or elsewhere, then that is
    more than enough for me. I don't need your money and I don't need your
    land. In fact, our land in the Netherlands is fantastically productive
    and fertile. I don't have a clue how you survive on those rocks over
    there, it seems like a hell to me. We have so much green grass here, all
    year round, grass is a *problem* on a garden (the main problem in my
    vegetable garden is grass). Water, sun, fertile ground, we have it so
    much better here than you seem to have it (for now at least).

    I just need you to stop lying, and for you to be the example Nation,
    because we live on a monkey planet. A planet where talking is basically useless. It is monkey see monkey do, and otherwise their faces are in
    the meat pot (mine too, I like eating meat just like the next guy if not
    more). You are the monkey that does, does the right thing, and then the
    other monkeys go like "Ohhhh!!!! look at their nice houses, they have everything, we want that, how do we do that ... ???.ohhhh that's how
    they do it ?????!!!!?????!!!??" Then they do what you do, and humanity
    pretty much lives forever happy ever after.

    *That* is how you can help me. Then my people will understand your
    people, and then everything will be allright. <insert Bob Marley tune
    here>.

    Ohh, but you didn't hate me ? Yeah right. Israel has hated a lot of
    people who told them the truth, including Moshe Rabbeinu himself, tried
    to murder him. No, you don't like people saying the truth. It creates
    hatred. Then I start thinking about this hatred; where does it come
    from, etc. Is it hatred to ignore someone who obviously says the truth
    about the Torah, when the whole Natino of Israel, the entirety of Chabad
    for starters, is wrong about certain issues (certainly not all, not by a
    long shot, but there are some errors) ? I don't know, but it feels like
    hatred. I suppose it is the same cold shoulder the poor feel, when the
    rich come collect their undeserving debt. The coldness of it, the
    disinterest, the ... *baseless hatred* of it.

    Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, I don't know, but it feels wrong. You are
    supposed to care so much for the Torah, studying it all day and so on,
    and here is a massive breach in the Torah and I present some pretty
    basic simple logic as to the why and how it all connects with the exile
    and all, but: nothing. A closed door !

    You know we have a closed door monument in our city. Sorry I seriously
    start to ramble at this point, but there is a closed door on the other
    side of the big Yeshivah in our city (Groninghen Netherlands, I guess it
    is on google streetview). This closed door symbolised how the Jewish
    people got a closed door when the Nazis went looking to deport them.
    Suddenly doors where closed. Coldness, looking the other way. Is this
    how the poor feel, when they don't get a loan close to the 7th year,
    because the rich feared they wouldn't be repaid ? Is this how the poor
    felt when they heard of the Torah and asked their money back from the
    rich, because they where forced to pay back a loan after the 7th year ? "Baseless hatred", because the rich person may not even know whom he is
    dealing with, and moreover to make a *law* which destroys the 7th year
    debt cancellation, this affects everyone who is both poor and rich
    (elligable for making or taking easy loans under the Torah law).

    The people making that fake law, the prosbul (Hillel the Elder I suppose) didn't know all these people. He legislated *hate*, but didn't know
    personally the people who it would affect. His logic is also completely
    off, I won't bother with it now, some garbage about making the world
    bautiful. So he legislates hate, but doesn't know the many victims it
    would make. You could call that "baseless hatred". I harp on it because
    the current Jewish exile is said to be because of "baseless hatred".
    Perhaps some poeple could just see the hate in the streets, or they knew
    the deeper meaning of a thing like the prosbul, and they left this hint
    for future generations (*pure speculation alert here*).

    Okay "that's enough" lol. Sorry. You know, if this thing and some things
    like it, makes or breaks the difference between Redemption now, or 7
    Nazi holocausts hitting the Jewish people in maybe the next 10 years,
    then yes there is something to be upset about right now. I would like to
    save your lives, but you have to save your own lives by being good
    people. Being good, blocks the hate of the goyim against you. Not of
    Amalek I guess, but of the Eisav's (Europeans), it probably does. They
    are not as bad as the criminals who are parasites upon them too. They
    too suffer from the same criminals, who use games like debt slavery and
    loan sharking. It's all nothing new. The Torah happens to have something against it, so use it. Use it and be the example, and that's it. Right ?

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