On 2023-10-31, Bud Light <
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The sun is setting, gay pride flags wave next to the water, same-sex
couples kiss and cuddle on the beach. This is Tel Aviv — which the government of Israel is now pushing as one of the most gay-friendly
cities in the world — and gay tourism is booming.
"It's a place you have to go, good parties, nice people, beautiful
people and just different from all the other tourist destinations
you can go to," says Jorg Grosskopf, a German tourist who, together
with his partner, Peter, is on his seventh vacation in Israel.
[...]
That is quite disgusting I have to say. It looks like a place to avoid.
A marriage, a man and wife, is about having a family. You cannot and
should not even want to have a family with someone of the same gender.
It is naturally disgusting. With the same gender you are friends.
The problem with homosexuals is in the word itself ....s*x... That is
the entire difference between just being normal friends, or going too
far. It is a s*x obsession, and I think this is at the root of their affliction. They seem to be obsessed with it, so much so, that they
turned homosexual from it. If they had not been, they would not even
think of all the dirty things they do, but rightfully be disgusted by
it. Then they would just be normal friends. You can even be normal
friends and live in the same house and do things together, like two
brothers. There is no reason to make that additional step. It is a form
of addiction I believe.
All the gay people I met where really nice people. I don't wish them any
harm whatsoever. However, I also met people who hurt themselves, and
these where the nicest people I have ever met. This does not mean that
hurting yourself is a good thing. It happens because the other pain and suffering is so bad, they seek a distraction from it. That doesn't mean
it should be advertized in the streets and being a good thing, or that
you should be proud of it. These people need love and help, and I don't
mean in the degrading way the homosexuals might use that word.
Alcoholism is another mold, substance abuse of all kinds. Can they stop
with it ? Often they can not. That doesn't mean it is a good thing. Can
someone with a violent temper just stop with it, or is it part of their "identity" ? Unfortunately it is often part of their identity, but that
doesn't mean it is a good thing. Being violent should also not be
advertized, and people who are should also not accept that about
themselves, but keep working on it.
Then we have the issue of democracy, which is apparently being used by homosexuals. There is some logical grounds for saying that anything
should be allowed, if an adult freely chooses to do that, and it does
not hurt anynone else.
Who is hurt by a man laying with another man as with a woman (as the
Torah puts it), besides themselves ? If nobody else is hurt, then they
should be allowed to do that.
This is not a bad argument. I guess you could try to see who gets hurt
though. Personally I am a lot more hesitant to make any friends with
people now, because I am scared they are "homosexuals". You never know.
The homosexuals will hide it, if they think they cannot have their way.
The fact that this idea has been created, where formerly nobody would
even think of it, creates an atmosphere of worry and it pushes people
apart. Quite the opposite to what the homosexuals themselves seem to
think. Many friendships might never have occured, because one or both
thought the other might be a homosexual because he or she seemed too
friendly, and that was it. It just never happened. The homosexuals
create this fear in otherwise healthy people.
Then we have the issue of advertizements. Some homosexuals seem to de
satisfied with nothing, which makes sense because the whole thing is
about not respecting natural lines. They don't just want "their rights",
they want to parade and be cheered to, they want to think of themselves
as heroes for having this affliction. Maybe deep down they know it is
wrong, and therefore they have this need to over compensate.
In the case of drugs (such as alcohol, cocaine and heroine, all "hard
drugs" according to experts), we have found out that prohibiting its use
does not work and only makes the criminals rich. The only thing which
makes sense at this point is to open the drugs trade, or perhaps make
the State be the producer of the drugs, anything we need to do to get
this revenue out of the hands of the criminals, because the money is
too much and it corrupts the whole society. Does that mean we should
also allow drugs to be advertized on the streets ? Absolutely not. I
think quite the contrary. Once the drugs have been legalized again, like
they always where until the Americans launched their "Prohibition 2" (Prohibition 1 against alcohol was a massive disaster and put the
criminals in a powerful position in society), there should be a
campaign *against* using them, because they are often still dangerous.
Some drugs or even all of them might not even be dangerous if correctly
used, however this European culture does not seem to be capable of doing
that, because everything is focussed on a quick and fleeting sense of happiness, without any foundations, balance or health to it.
Then there is the issue of democratic rights, such as the right to
assembly and the right to free speech. Particularly the right to
assembly might be of interest. You have potentially two groups here, one
who wants to do A and one who does not want to have A done in their
lands. Just looking at it schematically and abstractly. This can not
go together. If Nations are not too large, you can have people who want
to do A go to this Nation, and others who do not want that to go to the
other. While in theory this solves things, in practice it is not so easy because people might live in one Nation and then change their mind. It
is not easy for them to just move for one reason to another Nation.
You could also wonder how many topics there could be, because you would potentially need another Nation for each combination of opinions and
practice.
You do see how this is already functioning as a mechanism, because
apparently people now go to Tel Aviv to engage in bad behavior. Some of
them might decide to immigrate. Israel is now apparently becoming its
opposite, because it was the Nation which had a death penalty for this behavior. Technically it still has the death penalty, because the Torah
has not and cannot be removed legally. This makes however perfect sense, because the Zionist State is not a creation of the most Jewish of the
Jews, but rather of the least Jewish of the Jews. It is an internal
struggle by the section of the Jews who want to be like gentiles, and
who are at heart probably also just a bunch of European Gentiles. It is
also allied with the rich. One of their leaders was Herzl, who wanted to convert the Jewish people to Catholicism, so the treason of this group
is to the bitter end. I think it is fair to say that the Zionists will
not have completed their goal, until the Jewish people no longer exist.
I suppose this is counter their own propaganda, which is focussed on
survival by their own strength and cunning. They want to be a gentile
Nation, just another European or Middle Eastern territory with some sort
of non descript people on it - it doesn't matter who or what, but they
will call it "us", draw taxes and have wars and that's it. No moral
direction, no Torah, nothing. This is why it makes so much sense that
the Zionist ruling class in Israel is supportive of homosexuality,
because it goes against the Torah. It disempowers the Torah. It draws in
people who are against the Torah. With the Torah out of the way, they
can profit ad infinitum, rule their people who are robbed of their
morality and inspiration, and that's just the end of that.
The above logic might suggest a punishment of *banishment* for acts
which are deemed so far outside what a group who lives somewhere wants
that there is no way to combine it on one territory. The territories
should then split, or people pushed out to this or another country.
What Israel wants is of course their problem (me not being Jewish even). However it seems to make sense that if there is any sort of ancient
claim to that land, which I think there is, it is a claim encapsulated
in the Tanach, the Torah. The land was conquered under the vision of
Moshe Rabbeinu if you want, the vision of the Torah for the future.
While it was lost many times, that was how it started, and this has
clearly defined "the Jew" through time. Only in recent times this has
been muddled by the Zionist regime, but "being a Jew" was typically
understood as *also* involving the belief in and *doing the Torah,
the law of Moshe Rabbeinu, besides being born from a Jewish mother (who
was expected to teach her children just that, I suppose ?). We are still literally in the story of the Tanach. The exile is going on, apparently
as predicted, the Redemption is to happen soon, and so on.
What do the political Zionists offer as different from like the USA ?
Under the Zionists, the lands around Yerushalayim would merely be
another USA State, another little Vassal State that they influence
culturally (take over & dominate that is). Why would it have to be those
lands ? There seems to be no reason for it. Indeed, the Zionists at
first didn't even necessarily want to go to Yerushalayim (if I'm
informed correctly). Why don't they set up their Zionist Jewish State
in Utah, USA ? There is basically no reason for them to be in
Yerushalayim, because they reject the Tanach, the Torah, and everything
in it, including the prohibition for a man to lay with another as with a
woman.
Then leave the lands around Yerushalayim for the few on Earth who care
about the Torah, the Jewish people. It's not a big Nation, and they
apparently lived there for a long time. If they want to do the Torah,
they can live there, and everyone else can live somewhere else. Both
ways might not be compatible with each other, but so everyone has their
own place. The Jewish people are not Muslems either, so it will be
harder to combine them into a Muslem land, than that they have their
own.
The lands of the homosexuals where I guess in Greece, and now this bad
behavior has spread all over the world. Do they have to be in
Yerushalayim to do it ? I guess not. Hence all in all, I would favor to
banish them from the lands of Israel, so that the lands are clean and
peaceful for those who don't act in such bizarre ways and don't want to
be confronted by it either.
By the way, it is almost funny to see this homosexual propaganda
everywhere. Since I am on the bicycle a lot, I ride through a fair
amount of villages in the north of the Netherlands, and quite often you
see "churches" (I call them "dead man's towers") with homosexual flags
on it. They know perfectly well this is prohibited by the law of Moshe Rabbeinu, to the death even. Hence they show their real colors again:
this is the Imperial cult. They worship the powers of the establishment.
That is their god. They care *nothing* for what they claim to care
about. Lies and deceit in the Roman Empire, as usual. Where do those
live of want peace, justice and truth, a healthy normal life for good
people who care about each other ?
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