• Coming 2nd holocaust, some ideas on why it may be extreme.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 4 15:37:14 2023
    Someone noted that King Saul only allowed David to fight, was because
    they where in great danger, and that this is a similar desperation which
    will lead to finally finding "moshiach" and the Redemption.

    Comment. I think you are right. There are similar references, such as that
    the Pharao wanted to wipe out Israel, or - perhaps worse for the parents - wanted to kill all the male children, and during this fear and repression
    Moshe Rabbeinu came. In the desert it was also fearful to hear God talk
    from the mountain; they thought they would die, but they said "we will
    hear and do". Many times there seems to be great fear and then a moral improvement. This also reportedly happened after the Nazi holocaust,
    and many who went to their deaths still repented in the last moment. If
    you see the current world, the Torah is going down hard. Israel basically
    gave up. The Zionist rebel state is a Vassal of the USA, where they seem
    to revel in gay parades and have almost completely cast aside the Torah - except when they need it to justify themselves.

    What I was suddenly wondering about is, that there might be a reason why
    this time could be particularly bad, as has always been said that the
    time _before_ moshiach would be particularly bad. The Nazi holocaust was
    the latest round of serious national punishment on the Jewish people. The
    Torah says every round will be 7 times worse. If you take away 7 times
    ¹/₃ out of a population (1-(²/₃)⁷), about 19 out of 20 die,
    and about 600 000 Jews remain (please do the math if you care). This
    kind of death rate is quite astonishing. It more or less amounts to
    almost wiping out the Jewish people on the Earth. If you make a list of
    people that you know from the best to the least, statisticly this would
    mean that if you survive, the next survivor could be #20 on that list,
    and the next survivor #40, but how well do you know that person ? While
    this is average statistics and therefore kind of meaningless, it might
    give a sort of a feel to it, how bad it is. If you wanted to put a Minyan together, if your memory is so great you can put 200 people on your list,
    then the Minyan would consist of #20, #40, #60, #80, #100, #120, #140,
    #160, #180, and yourself. For some people, this might be the reality of
    this second holocaust, and it might be worse. In the Minyan of people
    who know the best, two you might know vaguely, the rest is more and more
    a faint memory. Imagine the shock, the pain, the loss, the loneliness,
    and also the anger and helplessness.

    I was wondering then, what could justify something this horrific. This
    might be some logic: we _are_ now at the "end" kindof of this "world",
    the world of farming which started 6 000 years ago more or less (Adam &
    Eve in the _Garden_ of Eden ?). Anyway, the criminal ruling class is
    full steam ahead with their horrific dystopian nightmare. They literally
    want everyone with a chip in their head, seriously. They want total
    enslavement in a way never seen before. I guess that is sort of the
    opposite of the Redemption. It becomes technologically possible. Elon
    Musk is testing his brain chip thing ? What will people do if they get
    a choice between starvation or accepting this slavery ? How about they
    just grow humans in factories from now on. Worse and more crazy things
    become possible, thanks to the rise in technology. If this is the future, because humanity rejected Justice and Peace (the Torah you could say),
    then the future is eventually _worse_ than this second holocaust with
    a 19:20 death rate for the Jewish people. How much of this hell really
    comes true, remains to be seen, but there have been a fair amount of
    tyrannies in history so the danger is real I think. One justification
    for this second holocaust then becomes: the Jewish people rejected the
    Torah, rejected to break from this expected future, and therefore will
    have to taste at least some of it. The pain might shock them back to
    the Torah, not slavery but freedom, not war but peace. It would follow
    the same path again: suffering and then a choice for morality. I think
    this effect sometimes happens with other Nations also, by the way.

    Another thing which could justify it, is that the Jewish people have
    rejected the Redemption, right now that it is already there. It is in
    their face, ready to go, but they reject it. The way to paradise is
    completely open now, it only requires them to step into it, but they
    refuse. This then might also justify a punishment greater than perhaps
    ever before. Earlier when the _final_ Redemption was not yet on the
    brink of happening, they where not yet explicitly invited to it, so they
    could not commit that mistake yet. Now they can do that, and they have
    (I would think, I mean World War 3 is already going on and people are
    dying in Israel already). If the world after the Redemption is greater
    than what came before it, if we do it right of course (and not this hell dystopia), then the refusal to enact it is also potentially greater. You
    then get a kind of thing like ...

    "Well, before we send them Moshe Rabbeinu and he opened the gates to
    Paradise for them, and they did it to a degree at least, and where well rewarded with the fruits of the Earth, and now that the ultimate thing is supposed to happen and everything is ready to go, and the Jewish people
    have already seen all that they have seen, they have seen the proof
    already, they have the Torah already, they should be knowing everything
    already and they should have already done what was necessary on their own
    ... but they didn't and we forgave them by sending them the Redemption as
    a somewhat new thing because they have done damage to what Moshe Rabbeinu
    did for them ... and despite all that, they refuse on the very moment that
    if they just used their head for a moment, they might save *Billions*
    of people their lives, besides their own and many animals also ... so
    then Israel ... 'have it your way' ... you think you are so smart, we
    will look away and not listen to your screams, and allow you to suffer
    like perhaps never before. Everything is ready for you, you barely have
    to work anymore due to all the gadgetry, and you can get your Torah
    lessons anywhere you want, you don't have to chop wood for the fire,
    and you can talk to other people on the other side of the world as if
    they where standing next to you. All this ease and comfort, but still
    you refuse and are lockstep with the gentiles on the way to hell. Then,
    let's see how far you get, let's leave you to your own devices, and see
    if you do not want to choose Peace and Justice after you have suffered
    the reverse. If you still refuse to the bitter end, this world will
    possibly become a hellish dystopia, and you entire mission will have
    been a failure, and so now the beating will be as severe as needed to
    get those who can back *forever".*

    Something like that, I guess. *You have been warned.* It is coming. You
    think these psycho gentile bosses love the Jew ?! Wake up and face
    reality. You think they want _anyone_ to know even one word of the
    Torah ? What does it mean that they do not. Understand ? So it is
    the same situation again, but this time the stakes could be higher. A
    bad war a thousand years ago was one thing, a bad war today is almost unimaginable, and a bad tyranny, perhaps the same. The stakes are so
    high, and therefore the punishment for not having done the right thing
    yet, might also be higher. Anyway ... just some random thoughts. Have a
    great day. I don't know either why I still type this, bored I guess, or worried. I think most people can't really cope with the reality of all
    this. It's a story to them, like words are a story. You see the ruling
    classes doing it right now, they make the Jewish people hated again. You
    think they don't know how to get that done ? You should run to your God
    and your Torah ... but you don't, and when you do, it's not enough, and
    you don't even care to know. So ... time is up I guess, the punishment
    is already starting. Still deaf ears, just like back in the day, as the
    Tonach relates. Still their ears are closed !

    *

    Still, the Jewish people could cancel the whole thing, by returning to
    the Torah - and that includes the Rabbis who are also betraying the
    Torah. The Rabbis betray the Torah, most explicitly perhaps, with their prosbul. They put Hillel the Elder, which is the High Court (so to say,
    the so-called Sanhedrin) above the Torah, rather than being in charge of executing and maintaining the Torah. They allow and accept this reversal
    of roles, which means they have essentially become lawless, a law unto themselves. While it may seem minor compared to the constant and broad
    Torah law breaking by the people of Israel in general, it was perhaps
    the final straw that led to the current exile.

    If the Jewish people somehow got it into their heads to repent (do
    Teshuva) today, to distribute the land to all as happened under Jehoshua
    ben Nun following the law given through Moshe Rabbeinu, to stop with
    their debt games and putting the rich and greedy above the Torah (which
    is essentially what the prosbul is about), then this might be such a
    force for good in the world, that everything starts changing for the
    better. With enough luck, it might be enough to ward off World War 3, or
    the worst of it for the Jewish people. There is also some obvious logic
    to this: 1. Bad people will be deposed, so they can no longer do damage
    and cause unnecessary war. 2. Islam will be pleased with the final
    admission of the Jewish people that they have indeed been wrong on debt,
    and that Moshe Rabbeinu was right (! I realize this kind of a sentence
    sounds weird in the ears of some Jewish people, especially if they
    imagined to themselves they are loyal to the Torah and following their
    Rabbi's advice.) 3. The rest of the world, both religious and secular,
    will be very surprised, although it is quite possible that the news will
    be widely suppressed, since this too would have to be a process which
    itakes some time. 4. From the side of heaven and the Torah (Covenant),
    it is clear that Israel should be almost entirely safe if they repented,
    and if you like there is a great right for miracles in favor of Israel (religiously speaking). Etc.

    Everything can probably still be cancelled, even though the first
    casualties have already fallen in what may become this second holocaust
    against the Jewish people. Remember how long things took in Germany.
    1924 currency crisis, 1929 Great Depression, 1933 Hitler coup d'etat
    (IIRC), 1939 World War 2 starts and lasts "only" 5 years, with the main holocaust happening in the final years of this war (FWIK). 1924 to 1945
    is 21 years, but 1939 to 1943 is only 4 years. Comparable events and
    dates today may be: 2001 for "9/11" (similar to the Reichstag fire to
    enact tyrannical law), 2008 was a financial crisis, 2014 was installing
    Nazis again in Europe by the Americans (again), and a small war with
    Russia started, which is now quite a big war already and rapidly
    worsening (precisely when the banks seem to be falling). Then we have
    another attempt at a dictatorial take over of society and damage to the
    economy with Corona virus in 2019, and finally after all the lying the
    Russians actually did invade Ukraine in the beginning of 2022. Major
    economic destabilization seems to be occuring now in the fall of 2023,
    and - surprise surprise - Gaza attacks the Zionist State, and it seems
    that everything possible is being done by all sides to make it a bigger
    war.

    If you take World War 2, it is staggering how much suffering can be
    created in just a few years, and what an impact it has on the
    generations after. All these things seem to happen in more or less a
    timespan of about 20 years ? From a currency collapse in a huge Empire (Germany), to a dictatorship, 1924 to 1933, not even 10 years. From the
    Great Depression in 1929 to start of the war: 10 years. The time frame
    of modern society is on similar years now. 22 years after 9/11, etc.
    Suddenly Russia became the enemy in 2014, while before that Russia was
    just fine and just another place. People already forgot that this was
    what they where thinking back then. 2023 and Russia is really seen as an
    enemy now (again, just as with Hitler), that is just under 10 years
    time. Similar themes of events, similar time frames, except the bombs
    are bigger, and the surveilance systems are vastly superior. It will
    only be even worse than World War 2, and this can easily include the
    second holocaust (7 times worse).

    *

    There where even native north American (Turtle Island) Indian prophecies
    by their people, who said "Grandfather" (the Creator) would shake the
    world three times. The first two times with one hand, and those where
    World War 1 and 2, and then a third time with both hands. Quite
    interesting, isn't it, that there is this third group on Earth, who also
    has the Creator as their God. There are the Jewish people, then there is
    Islam, and then there are the North American Indians (most/all tribes).
    The rest seems to be idolators of one sort or the other. They also have
    said, that in the end the good people would hide with the ants, and
    others would beg the ants to let them in because of the suffering at the surface of the Earth. This lines up perfectly with what dani18.com has
    said.

    I can warn all I want also, evidently, all to no avail; but when this is
    all over, you will know you had a different choice, but you did not want
    or dare to take it. Israel generally will have herself to thank for the suffering, sorry. You didn't have the courage & dedication I guess.
    Wanted to fit in, didn't you ? Are you feeling snug, between you and
    yours ? Safe even ? You are already getting afraid, aren't you. It
    hasn't even barely started. Things can go so fast at some point, that I thought: I better post this right away, because tomorrow, who knows what already will have happened.

    Proposed to you where clear, realistic and logical proposals, on a
    realistic and doable time path, sophisticated enough to deal with a
    multitude of practical problems and levels of dedication. All of it you
    have rejected, including and perhaps worst of all, your own Torah. Your
    ear went to the radio, to the Knesset, to the papers the rich had put in
    front of you, to the Sages who created the exile, and so on. You
    listened a bit to Moshe Rabbeinu, and a bit to his enemies. I guess it
    was enough to survive, but it seems it will not be enough in the end.
    To be technical (heh), humanity has such a technological power now, it
    cannot be abused for evil anymore, not even on a small scale. The
    suffering is just too extreme. It already used to be too much with
    simple tools, but now we face a worse capability. Not one animal has
    even a remote chance to defeat humanity anymore, there is zero use for
    all this violence. It will only destroy us. If it does, then it did what
    it needed to do to end the suffering. Humanity is too crazy, stupid,
    greedy and too evil, and that has to stop completely.

    Life is with the good. Imagine you do something you like, whatever that
    is. There is no use for a bomb going off on top of you and the people
    you where enjoying yourself with. There is no benefit to that kind of
    evil. Humanity seems to think there is benefit in war as a principle,
    but there is none. The cost is extreme, the benefit is basically zero.
    How many scientists does it take to build an Atomb bomb, with all the
    secrecy and all ? Now have the same effort for solving a useful problem,
    and no need for the secrecy. There is no benefit in war anymore. The
    time when wars may have been somewhat beneficial for survival, could
    be thousands of years ago already.

    Imagine what you could do with lasting peace. Humanity has everything it
    needs to pretty much live forever and go anywhere. Isn't that a great
    adventure ? Totally and completely ruined by this idiotic need for war.
    It can easily put humanity back in the stone age, or worse. For what ?
    Because some dumb politician wanted votes, and he knew how to get them
    from a people who read newspapers and watch TV brought to them by the
    worst evil people that exist in their Nation ? Because of a few psychos,
    and dumb they are too in the end, you are going to throw away this kind
    of future ?! Because you hesitated "what would the neighbors think", on
    the brink of ... total disaster ? Yes, what will those neighbors soon
    think ... when they have died under the collapsed roof of their house.
    That was what you where afraid off ? That's why you could not support
    the truth ? 95% of everyone at your Shull may soon be dead, and the
    Yeshiva itself might just be a hole in the ground, and this was what you
    where afraid off when you didn't dare stand up against the prosbul,
    because there was a Rabbi there who didn't agree with you, and now he is
    dead ? Or you are dead, and for what ?

    Well I get it, social pressure is strong and the fear is real, but you
    have to try to get past it sometimes, for the sake of what matters.
    Don't be too scared if you are right. You don't have to immediately go
    over board either. Take it easy, but stick to the truth. You can at
    least talk about the truth, that should help a lot already. Times is
    getting short however, if it hasn't run out already - but does it ever ?
    No ! Therefore there is no giving up, ever.

    Stop and think, then act.

    sigh (lol)
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