• Rebbes of Chabad where right about moshiach, but now ...

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 4 09:11:11 2023
    THe Rebbes of Chabad where right about moshiach, saying and campaigning
    about it being near, it being now or even already happened at times it
    seems. But now ... the Rabbis cannot find their moshiach. All over the
    Internet you can find "The Moshiach is here !", and then he is not, they couldn't find him apparently. There is also some issues regarding the
    so-called "moshiach ben David" and "moshiach ben Yosef". The Alte Rebbe
    said: moshiach will be secular. The Prophets said "Who is this who rises
    in Edom, from Bozrah ...". There is an extreme amount of material on
    this moshiach topic. "Moshiach" means, just being a human being, like
    everyone else, not a god. All the other idolatry religions and Empires
    and Kingdoms, they worshiped their top dog as a dog (lol typo) I mean as
    a god, and sometimes officially declared their Emperor to either be a
    god, or the son of a god.

    However which way this is all exactly structured in the Tanach, this is
    how I see things. First of all, there is a grave risk of dictatorship
    with this element in the human culture, of idolatry and personality
    cult. The personality cult basically already started before the person
    is here. On the other hand, the whole "moshiach" campaign is very old at
    this point, and is also strong, and therefore it can cut against the non
    stop propaganda of the modern ruling class. It is stronger than them,
    despite all their fortunes their pour into lying to people using all
    these new media available. It is interesting to see how the entire goal
    of getting away from personality cults because the Jewish people would
    have their human prophets and their human 'anointed ones' (moshiachs),
    is now almost backfiring. This is probably due to the western idolators
    mostly, who are such fervent idolators that they have turned these
    things into what they where supposed to be against.

    Anyway ... What I personally would like to see happen, is that the
    Rabbis of Israel stop rejecting the Torah, and return to it. They need
    to do Teshuvah / Repentance. I don't know how long it will take them to
    stop breaking the Torah.

    + Forgive the loan to the poor in the 7th year.
    - Regret and make up for the crime of the prosbul (Hillel the Elder).

    + Do not charge interest on your loans to your brother (and I might
    add, don't waste your money and lock it away from it's duties just
    for your own greed while someone else is doing all the hard work).
    - Regret and make up for the crime of the heter iska (Rambam /
    Maimonides (!)). This is going to be hard, because religious Jewish
    poeple basically put Rambam above all else.

    + Do not sell the land in perpetuity, distribute the land to all and
    keep it so forever (Jubilee on land, etc).
    - Regret not pushing for this in the Zionist rebel State, or even in
    other areas. There may be some Rabbis who don't recognize this State
    at all, and so they have an argument of not calling for it I suppose.

    There are issues of economics, and that is no accident. The nation in
    the end is destroyed by the rich. They want more and more and more and
    more and more ... People from their end worship the rich, and that is
    the end of the culture eventually. It becomes decadent and corrupt.
    Everywhere the power centralizes, and the people become slaves. This is
    caused in no small way by not distributing the land by right to all, and
    also just allowing this wealth to become so extreme.

    When in the Stone Age people went from place to place with whatever was
    on their backs, this was not happening, it was not possible. Nobody could
    stake out land all by themselves, use a concept like land ownership as a
    weapon against their own people. "I bought it!", this did not exist. You
    cannot buy land.

    When farming started, land use and ownership started to be a similar
    thing. The farmer owns his crops, and therefore also naturally has the
    right to the land the crops are on. But how much ? This was evidently
    not thought about. It just raged as raging would. With places to store
    endless wealth, and lands could be added to lands all pretentiously
    "owned" as if they made it, as if others have no right to a place,
    humanity fell apart between servants and owners. You could say that this
    is the root of the great war within humanity, between the servants and
    the bosses.

    Hence, my view on things is like this: the Rabbis will repent from
    breaking the Torah. They will have to admit also how their Hillel the
    Elder and this whole period is guilty over Sun idolatry with the Lamp of Helena, and that their God had the right if not duty to destroy this
    Temple with its idol. They have a lot to regret and a lot to change
    about what they have been doing the last 2 thousand years. On the other
    hand, there is also reason to be happy, because the Torah is still here
    in written form.

    If they would then repent from making these mistakes, which they should
    have done simply because it makes sense, then at some point they might
    think like ... "... but wait a minute, who was this guy who told us our mistakes ?" Then ... "oh my G.., this guy his life is actually quite sad indeed, and why was he misjudged which basically ruined his life,
    misjudged literally in half an hour by someone who didn't even care ?
    How bad was his pain, he said it is indescribable and lasted more than
    20 years, day and night every second without stop - pain is not the
    rigth word either because there is no right word for it. Humm well, that
    does sound a lot like some prophets have been talking about, how
    quaint. Are we going mad ?" (lol) Then I have a complete system of
    society ready to go, which is targeted at the goyim, but it is good for everyone at this point, considering how failed human economics and also
    the State (at times) is. Not that everything is wrong, but it needs to
    be better. If you don't know this program while reading this, then
    thank you for holding off your rash judgement (and hatred), thanks.
    The whole thing is logical and argued and dare I say, somewhat elegant.
    You could say it is a collection of all that is good, and removal of all
    that is bad.

    At this point in time, the Rabbis would have gone through a major
    Teshuvah period. They know they failed to a degree, and how they caused
    the exile. Israel knows they are guilty relative to their God, and how
    there was no other way. These are not just laws for the fun of it. The
    laws all have causes and effects. If you fail to do them, you fail to
    achieve the necessary effects it would have had. Thus you destroy your
    own Nation, if the laws had been good. For example, by no longer
    forgiving the loans in the 7th year, or giving everyone their free land,
    you create poor people who are angry. Do you think they will fight enthusiasticly against an invador ? Do you think the morale of the
    troops is not important ?

    At this point, the Rabbis would have humbled themselves, and might no
    longer be looking for a "moshiach" who supports their thing, wears their
    hat and makes them more powerful. They might simply be looking for more
    truth, or where to do good in the world. Not that they might not do that
    now also, but to a greater extend. After all, they did break the Torah
    down on some issues. You now also have the effect, that I undersigned
    would have caused them to return to the Torah, and explain to them
    logically also, why these laws are what they are, and why they are wrong
    to try to destroy them. They didn't just break the law, they tried to
    destroy that law. Breaking a law is having a law in place, and you just
    don't listen to it, but the law is still there. They tried to alter the
    law, destroy it from the position of the law giver (prosbul). They are
    not allowed to do that, as they well know of course.

    Then you have the possibility that they might say: then you must be our moshiach. Then I say something like: yes maybe, but it doesn't even
    matter, and that was the whole point. It doesn't matter who is moshiach,
    it matters what is the law. Then I will try to vacate this throne,
    because nobody can sit on a throne for the whole world. It is too big.
    If they then decide anyway to go look into my proposal for a functioning society (I realize this sounds insane and stupid, if you don't know what exactly I am proposing, so thank you again for holding off your
    judgement due to your ignorance if any), and decide it is worthwhile an attempt, then they can also go ahead and elect a King, which is part of
    that system. A King in Judaism is 'anointed' is 'moshiach', and that
    fixes that.

    You can do things in any other way if you like. Maybe you have a
    completely different kind of method ready, etc. It is all up to you. It
    all starts with you repenting, with the Rabbis themselves repenting back
    to the Torah. Without that key, nothing in this sense is likely to work
    out.

    Well that is not true. My proposal is based on logic and just thinking,
    common sense if you will, on thinking it through and visualizing how
    people will behave. Anyone can do that, and so anyone can understand why
    this could be a good system to follow. You don't need anything else,
    just use your head.

    It is key in this whole thing that I am proposing, that all the
    positions of power are accounted for. It is a rounded and completed
    system, where all the powers necessary are assigned to those who will
    function in those position. It is all set how these people who will
    attain certain responsibilities will exactly attain these
    responsebilities (typically by election). It is a dynamic market
    economy, with free land for all, and an extremely democratic State based
    on the Council Government model, which nevertheless also features a
    King with limited power. What i am trying to say is, that there is no
    place in it for me to centralize the control under me. It is not about
    me of course, it is all about ... YOU. Perhaps it is better to say, that
    it is all about us all together. It is about the power landing in
    between people, in the conversation between people, in their mutual understanding and agreement. This is too abstract to still make much
    sense, you would have to study the proposal in detail yourself to
    undersand what it means and how it works.

    Given all that, things are now stuck in two ways.
    - The Rabbis don't repent, and therefore this is stuck in the way that
    it could come true through the religious side of the Jewish people.
    - The scholars and scientists, the economists and the like, the
    secularists, are also not making a sound, they are also deaf.

    It is important to note here, that the Jewish people should be able to
    fix their nation all on their own, because they have the Torah. They
    don't need anyone else, including me.

    The same is true for Science and the politicians, they should be able to
    figure things out on their own, it is not that hard. It is not that hard
    to know that land cannot function in a market, and therefore has to be distributed to all by right. They don't need any help, neither from me.

    However, both groups don't do their jobs. This is where the whole world
    is now stuck. Meanwhile on the side of organized crime, they flourish
    and go from strength to strength to subjugate humanity under their
    tyrannical rule. Good luck with that ...

    Most people don't understand how serious all this is. All this is bloody
    and deadly serious. People will and are dying over these things. Lives
    will blossom or be ruined over these things. Then they just sit there,
    thinking "oh he is insane" (and you are not ?! lol) or "I don't have time
    for this" or some pathetic little excuse to remain braindead and ignorant.

    "I don't dare to tell my Rabbi the truth on the prosbul" /whiney voice.

    Yeah, not a child of Abraham or the Moshe Rabbeinu then, who had courage
    for the sake of the truth. Now look at them ... shaking in their boots
    because they might want to correct their people on a minor detail of law
    they are already all sworn to uphold ? Is that too much for you ? it
    can't be that you don't understand, everyone understand this, so it has
    to be something else, and the obvious cause is fear. Maybe this is why
    your God sends you to war, so you can learn to deal with your fear ?
    I am speculating now, sorry.

    I keep trying, so don't accuse me later of not trying. Accuse yourselves
    of not hearing, thanks. All this rushing for you, all this suffering,
    and then nothing to show for it. I could have taken my sweet time,
    knowing that you - the Jewish people - don't even care either way. It
    makes sense: the prosbul is a device of hatred, of not caring, of
    "baseless hatred" if you will. Thus, you don't care for these things
    either, because they are social and warm proposals, meant to heal people
    and make them happy. As the prosbul is a device of cold hatred, and you
    adopted it, then it follows you don't care for these proposals either.
    You want to go on into the future like this ? I can almost feel the
    reaction ... they assume it is absolutely impossible to change their
    ways, and so the only thing they register is a level of anger "oh he is
    angry now, he must be the enemy, let's put him down and put hate on him".

    lol See, this is how things remain stuck forever. You just constantly
    want to find reasons to keep stuck, and break the Torah. Any small
    imagined little thing or emotion going through you can be a reason to completely reject any rebuke, while any little imagined little reason or emotion going through you which leads you to remain stagnant is more
    than enough to convince you not to listen and not to care for correcting something like the prosbul. This is how you - as it where - brainwash yourselves. You just don't want to get serious, and you find a million
    excusess whenever you need one to relax yourself and tell yourself you
    are doing the right thing, or you can always think about it for later
    and yaddayadda forever, never coming back to the truth and the Torah,
    never.

    I can also find excuses not to care anymore. There is at least one good
    reason for you not to care though, and that is that this posting is far
    too long. Sorry about that. I thought it might be a good idea to
    explicitly give you some idea of how this might have worked out, if you
    cared, and where it may be stuck for now. How it can work, and where it
    is stuck. However in the end, it is impossible to make a people care who
    just don't care - except I guess, through tremendous hardships and
    death, the consequences of not caring. It may be good that all this is
    said even before the worst is going to happen, so that you know that it
    was all on you, it was all your choices that things happened the way
    they are happening. The other side is always ready to go, but you are
    not. You choose against it, even though every attempt is made to make it
    easy on you.

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