https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/101744/jewish/Laws-Concerning-Kings-and-the-Messiah.htm

The Messianic King will arise in the future ...

End quote. This is how the article starts. This is the viewpoint of
someone who comes late and merely sees from the outside what has already happened. Example, let's take the 1917 Revolution in Russia. If you had
said something like "A King arises over Russia, ...", if that is what
you are waiting and looking for, that means you are not there in the
throngs with Lenin and the Communists. You are outside. Then once Lenin
takes more and more control, you could say "Aha! There is a King who has overthrown the Czars." Perhaps you waited as long until you saw Stalin.
You are on the outside, you are not "a Communist". You are a spectator,
or in opposition, or possibly another Nation. There was no King when
it started. Marx was not a King when it started. Now this is a bit
of a weird example because Marxism isn't that good in the end, but it illustrates the principle in modern times.

Here it continues in the same vein:

4. If a king arises from the House of David23 who meditates on the
Torah and occupies himself with the commandments like his ancestor
David, in accordance with the written and oral Torah,24 and he will
prevail upon all of Israel to walk in [the ways of the Torah] and
strengthen its breaches,25 and he will fight the battles of G‑d26
it may be assumed that he is Mashiach.27

End quote. THis is something I particularly dislike to be honest,
because of the lazyness and apathy it seems to relate. Oh you are just
going to hang back, and when all the wars are already happened and teh
history books are being formatted, then you crawl out from under your
rock and might think that "okay, maybe this *was* the moshiach" ?

Also notice this, which is quite rich (her) coming from Rambam /
Mainodise, who himself proposed laws which add and detract from the
Torah, without any right to do so of course (Jeremiah 31:31):

(Whoever adds or diminishes anything, or interprets the Torah to
change the plain sense of the commandments, is surely an impostor,
wicked, and a heretic.)22

End quote. Fine then Rambam, you declared yourself what you declared
yourself to be, having created the *heter iska*, a form of rent seeking
on loans. You detracted from the Torah, that the money was laying around
being in excess, and could have been used to make an easy loan for the
poor as per the rules of the loans for the poor (and the 7th year debt cancellation, ruined by Hillel the Elder, whom they also regard as a
Sage, believe it or not).

The point is not that it would be untrue. Rambam/Mainomides may well be
correct in all this. The point is, that it does not lead to action. They
just wait around to see if it already happened. What does that mean ? It
means they are not the Jews who act and create the Redemption.
Considering the betrayals that the Rabbis have foisted upon Israel, from damaging it's financial law to making Israel whorship the Sun idol no
less (!), and all their endless schisms and disagreements also, it makes
sense that these people are not at the head of those who struggle for
the Torah, but rather they are the tail who comes in afterwards when the
fight is over, when there are some spoils to divide.

You could argue there are two broad phases of the Redemption: suffering servant, and King of Kings - if you will. The first phase is the small
voice, the last phase is the big voice. Idolators and goyim easily fall
for the big voice, but only the true Jews might listen or should be
expected to listen to the small voice, to listen to the hurt and the
crying, to fight for their justice, to take it up for teh poor if nobody
else will. The ones who look for the suffering servant saying the truth,
those are Israel. The ones who look for the King when the doing has been
done, those take the viewpoint and maybe they are the gentiles. Thus the
Rabbis take the position of the gentiles, perhaps because that is what
they are or want to be - or at least in the case of Rambam/Mainomides,
who created the heter iska, detracting from the Torah and by his own
words, an impostor (!). Hopefully Hillel and Rambam will do Teshuvah,
and may still be "true Jews, loyal to the Torah".

Who looks for the breaches in the Torah to be mended ?
Who wants to listen to the 'leper in the gates of Rome' ? (While this
may not be exactly in the Tanach and it isn't FWIK, it is in the
Prophets how the 'moshiach' is suffering and neglected, rejected.)
Who looks for truth whatever 'the authorities' are claiming ?

Those make the Redemption, they are Israel.

Who looks for a King to rise ?
Who looks for everything already having happened ?
Who wants to be impressed by splendor and power ?

Those wait until the Redemption has passed, they are not the courageous
and righteous of Israel, perhaps they are gentiles, attracted to gold
and prestige only - such as perhaps this fabled "mixed multitude" which
seems to have joined Israel during the Exodus, possibly merely because
they where impressed with power and ability shown in those miracles
which happened, rather than in a claim and need for Justice for the
downtrodden Jewish people in the beginning ?

It is not just the case that "a King arises" just like that, from a
position that there isn't even a King who can have a son, or some sort
of established mechanism for power. It is clear that there is not a
Monarchy who will have a son, who will be 'moshiach', at least not in
the current context (political reality). Even in the election system,
you still need to form a party and participate in those elections, and
so in the beginning of that such a Party will also not deliver a
President or Prime Minister, who you could make claims of Kingship
about. Always this Kingship with these Rabbis ... why is that ?

The important thing is how to live and how to organize the Nation, and typically a King is a destruction of all that. That is the last thing
you should want to do. Thus you can see again, that the Rabbis put
themselves on the outside, rather than on the inside. Rather than go
over the Torah with a comb and decypher where they may have been wrong
and who can give them a clue so that they can better themselves and the
people who follow their rulings and advice, they look to this one thing
which angered the ruling Prophet of the time when Israel wanted to be
like the goyim and ask for a King. Then their God gave them a King
*in anger*, because they had rejected him. These Kings then proceed to

completely wreck Israel, except for a lucky few who upheld the Torah.
Kingship attracts evil people due to it's power, and also because adults
are supposed to be able to talk to each other and make reasonable
decisions. If you need a King, you are basically an ape. (lol)

I guess they will find out the truth after the 2nd holocaust. The few
who eventually will return, when the many are lost. Then being lost,
they can sit there with their pens, writing from the outside what has
already happened and what becomes obvious at some point. Outside, seeing
a King, not inside doing all the hard work before it gets to that point
which is actually not a good thing even, but hopefully just a side note
to the whole thing. Sadly, Israel is an idolatrous Nation with a lot of differences of opinion on things which don't need to be so
argumentative, and maybe that is why they will have this 'King' over
them in some kind of way. We shall see, but the Rabbis are acting like idolators it seems, when they should know that the Torah, the law, is
above everything and not a King. The truth is above everyhing, not a
King. It is like gentiles to want Kings and bosses and authority and
worship and all that madness, it is primitive, it is dumb. It is a sign
of lack of thinking and intelligence, because that creates division
which a King is then a solution for.

"We want our King moshiach, so that we can be children and rage under
our dictator" - this is Israel these days. That is the idolatry.

"We want our explanations to understand and do our Torah better than
ever before" - that is how it should be. That would be a real people.

King ?! Side note at best. Temple ? Even that is as side note ! Real
life every day in every street in every field in every chamber: that is
what it is about.

They want it the other way around: King first, law second. A
dictatorship for power, a commander of the forces. I thought about what
is the difference between a Prophet or indeed Judge of ancient Israel,
and then a King. A prophet simply speaks and gives advice. The people
are not forced to obay, they can ignore it if they want. A prophet is
just another person, an equal so to say, a human being. Not an ape with
great strength, but a human being. The King differs from the Prophet, in
that the King does force his decisions using his army, armed men. The
King demands loyalty, typically unto death and on punishment of death.
The Judge is in between the two, because he is reduced to speaking
Justice in a case based on existing law, typically with agreement from
the people generally, he is not personally greatly powerful and there
are likely other Judges also who moderate his power, but there is a
force element to it because judgements are enforced by armed men if need
be, or even the masses of the people. Judges are necessary in any case.

While in Israel it should be the case that a King is moderated in its
power by laws, it is still a great power. The King is the commander of
the Army basically. The powers of a King make sense in a war. The
extreme loyalty, the immediate obedience, the death penalty for just
about everything, this makes sense in war rather than peace.

There is a primitiveness to it, to this want to be in a war and have the
unity of raging under your top commander who is your King. Then there
are no debates and you don't have to think. The unity is great, but the mindlessness is also great. At troop level, you just act and are not
supposed to interfere or have opinions.

I guess this may somewhat explain why there has been such a love for
having Kings, because it had to do with war. To fight wars and to be
effective in wars. If there is peace, there it time to be adults and
humans, and then to talk and take time with decisions, to work out a settlement, and so on. Life is more socially inclined, calmer, takes
more time. There is hence a contradiction between a Kingship, and a
Nation at peace. A King is a war element, possibly a necessity in war.
When it comes to peace, you typically see Kings going completely nuts
with personal decadence, even becoming the looters and destroyers of
their own people. They go to war anyway, against their own people.

Less Kings, more understanding. So this is what I wanted to argue, that
the Rabbis are too much looking for the war element and they look at the Redemption from the outside and after the fact, which is the position of
the goyim and not that of Israel who is in the thick of it, starting it
and doing it point blank for the sake of love, for the sake of
solidarity, for the sake of the poor and the wretched, for the sake of
those whose lives have been broken. Therefore I ask you to look for the
low thing, the hurt and the sick, and not for the splendurous King and
power thing. To look for the injustice to correct for an individual who
is hurt, rather than the palace to be built. To look for the lie to be corrected, or the mistake, rather than for someone to follow, to
idolize.

You remember also Moshe Rabbeinu, who seems to have had good position in
Egypt, probably was quite credible to be associated with - until he
showed what a real man he was and he killed those guards who hurt his
people injustly. Then he went to the desert, and what was he there ? I
assume he was nothing ? Yet he became the one who gave you the Torah,
and made you a people. He was a suffering servant, he risked it all for
Justice and was hurt by it (I assume, it doesn't sound too great to go
from a position in the Egyptian court (right?) to the desert and being
on the run.) He had a speech impediment on top of all that, he wanted
his brother to do the talking, not him. He must have been a great and
humble man, and you listened to him and that made you a great people who
love Justice, and that brought the Torah in the world.

What would have happened, if you had instead looked for Kingship, for
splendor, for victory in war and the succesful building of Temples ?
At some point the Jewish people do indeed start winning, but by that
time they are long on the run in the desert already. Had you looked for
a King, a great power, a great Temple, you would have stayed back in
Egypt where they had all that in spades. Right ?

So, it is rather the opposite: not the King, but the servant. Not the
splendor, but the pain. Not the battle cry, but the dressing on a wound.
Not the great building of Temples, but a roof for the poor. Not a war
chest, but a loan for your brother - not for money and easily forgiven.

Well, it is obvious so why should I even write this. Even again when the Maccabees succeeded, it wasn't because of the brawn of a King and his
horde, it was (so I have read) the scholars, the righteous who dared to
stand up for the sake of Justice. Eventually in the end I suppose, they established a Monarchy; I am not certain if this was a smart move, but
did it start like that ? Do you stand up and then be King ? Of course
not. Is being King the goal: absolutely not; yes, for criminals it is,
but not for real people. King King king, why ? Crown some ape in the
zoo, let him rule that one tree, and then live your life free from
Tyranny. Baboons and wolves have Kings, humans should be able to reach
unity by understanding.

When you see some crime gang who have an established dictator, King you
can call it, when this kind of mess attempts to take over the Throne, it
is not going to be pretty how that ends.

etc etc etc....

So in any case, this is how I propose to you to live in circles, circles
of people who can behave like adults to each other. To have a
conversation and make a decision. If you cannot do that, i don't see how
you can live into the future forever as a people. More Kings, more
dictators, more show of war ? I don't think that can survive itself.
To listen and understand another person: that is a major achievement.
To appoint some King and become a brainless subjuct to it's rule: we
have done that already, and it did not work so well, did it.

The small is important, and therefore something big like *land for all*
is very important, because if you noticed: it is everywhere. Every
little person, they have land. In that sense it is a small thing, it is
a human scale thing. Some palace in some city ? Some King in a Temple ?
It seems big, if you stand next to it. Land distribution for all, the
right to free land forever, that is a thing the size of the entire
Nation. Is a palace several hundred meter big ? That would be quite
large. A Nation is easily several hundred kilometers big. A big thing
like a Palace or a Temple, ends up being a small thing. A King seems big
and awesome, but it is just one person, very small compared to the
entire Nation. A small thing for every person, is very important, and
such is the law. Land for everyone is a big thing for every person, and
so it is a hugely important topic, incomparably more massive and great
than some Temple King or Palace all put together.

The Jubilee on land in Israel was huge. That was it !

Some Temple, some King ? Tiny speck, often a place of trouble even.
Your eyes are dark and confused if you look for King. Look for law, for
Justice everywhere, for the truth. Right ?

(lol, non stop writing machine here. It's a nice day of wind and storm
outside I guess, to write to deaf ears who don't care ;-)

Certainly I hope, the Rabbis are better than I here charge; but I don't
know because the Prophets say their power is going to be taken away and
Hashem himself will teach his children. There must be a reason for it.
Perhaps they have had their chances, and they blew it already. Perhaps
there are still chances left. Tick tock, another day of bloodshed and
war on Earth, and tomorrow it will likely become worse.

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