• Similar fake laws on the same absurd Rabbinical logic prozbul

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 29 09:48:24 2023
    The 'prosbul' is a shameful device created by rebellious Rabbis of
    Israel, who have destroyed Israel and created the current exile. All
    Rabbis as far as I know are part ofd this great Jewish rebellion. They
    are also guilty of worshiping the Sun, through a Sun disc idol they had
    placed over the 2nd Temple called the 'Lamp of Helena', as if to make it
    clear that they had broken with the God of their forefathers.

    The prosbol/prozbul was made by Hillel the Elder and the 'Sages', who
    obviously are not Sages but fools. Hillel was famous for being a very
    friendly person. It is interesting to see how the fake birth of idol
    of the western religion (Joske), coincides with the life of Hillel, and
    that this idol is similar in supposedly standing for peace and
    friendliness (love), while at the same time allowing his followers to
    ignore the Torah law basically at will. Jesus more or less pretends he
    made a new Covenant, which seems to boil down to a mix of being nice to
    your neighbor, Cannibalism ("eat my flesh & drink my blood"), allowing
    bad people to hit you in the face, and paying your taxes to the Empire
    of evil in Rome (of course). The Jewish people then get exiled, many
    into the area of this notoriously bloody and repressive idolatry
    religion, with its many confusions and cults. You can see how they where punished with more of the same of which they themselves had done.

    https://www.yeshiva.co/midrash/6679

    3. Hillel Nesi'a (Leader of Sanhedrin) introduced the concept of
    the prozbul contract. A prozbul contract is a declaration on the
    part of the creditor that he hands over all of his claims to the
    religious court and that he will collect these debts via the court’s
    authority after the Shmittah year. This loophole was introduced in
    order to overcome a general reluctance to lend money, a violation of
    the commandment, "Beware that there be not a thought in your wicked
    heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand;
    and your eye be evil against your poor brother, and you give him
    nothing; and he cry to the Lord against you, and it be sin to you"
    (Deuteronomy 15:9).

    https://www.yeshiva.co/ask/3597

    Answer
    The laws of release of debts (which takes place at the end of the
    shmitta year) do apply today, and the pruzbul is still valid.
    (...)
    Pruzbul is mentioned in the Talmud and required the enactment of
    a law (by Hillel and the sanhedrin) to apply, whereas the idea of
    selling land in Israel to non Jews to avoid shmitta is not mentioned
    or suggested in the Talmud or in early sources. Furthermore, selling
    the land in Israel generally is prohibited, while pruzbul requires
    no prohibited act.
    (...)

    End quote. Idiotic. The Rabbis of Israel have no standing, they have no
    right to do anything. They are criminals as far as Torah law goes. The craziness, stupidity and dishonesty is so great, that if this is the
    best Israel can do, I don't think this people can be Redeemed. Even
    after the Redemption, you would still need to have a system of Courts
    and Justice, you will need to make some decisions about where to put
    that house and where to put that tree, who will dig and how much will
    be paid. The prozbul is a proof of being a retard. How can retards
    manage an entire Nation ? I guess we will find out ? Their King will
    make all the decisions ? Is this why they want a King so much, because
    they lost their minds ?

    Similar examples on the absurd fake logic of the Rabbis:

    Prozbul: the Torah law (you could call it 'Constitutional law') said
    to lend to the poor with ease, and forgive the loan in the 7th year,
    which is a year commonly declared over all of Israel, and this happens
    every 7 years for all at the same time. The fakers of Israel now said
    that because there where people who did not want to lend close to the
    7th year because they would not get their money back, this law suddenly
    does not exist anymore. Just like that ! Now that the loans are no
    longer cancelled, people would lend to the poor again, and the loans
    would have to always be paid, 7th year or not. (I won't go into the technicalities of their lies, it doesn't matter how they made up their
    frauds).

    7th year debt cancellation is of course a big help for the poor. If
    people who can lend but refuse to lend near the 7th year, they have to
    be forced in order to pay. It is explicitly repeated in the Torah that
    people (who can) should lend (to the needy of Israel) also close to the
    7th year. (Personally I already interpret this not in the most strictest
    sense, as if anyone should be able to lend from anyone (but being
    Jewish), but rather those who can reasonably be thought of as having
    money to spare, they must lend to the poor, so long as the poor are not
    a type of people who immediately will run to buy wine from it and gamble
    it all away, or even being criminals. So the rich need to lend more, and
    the averagely wealthy lend less, and the poor themselves only rarely
    lend just a little to each other if they can.) An important part also of
    this law, is to humble and curb the rich down, because of their greed
    and typical destructivess upon the Nation. Nations tend to destroy
    themselves because of the super rich. The lending obviously creates
    solidarity, and proofs solidarity still exists with the rich. If the
    rich really don't like it, I think they should be banished, because
    'they are not brothers', as the ultimate punishment. Then you are rid of
    them. Their greed and evil no longer hurts you, or degrades your Nation.

    In a similar logic: let's say people wanted to work on the Shabbos, but
    it is not allowed of course. Because they would work anyway, they
    started to break the law of the Shabbos. How could Hillel fix this
    problem ? What would the Hillel solution be.

    We should make this a new meme, just like with 'Bushonomics' of
    the US President Bush, whose policy is to solve problems by making
    them worse. For example if there is a problem with a dike, there is
    spillage over the top (which is very dangerous), then the "solution
    by Hillel" is to say "there is no dike !". You would then dig away
    the dike and allow it to collapse, and the problem is solved. There
    never was a dike. There is no flood either, because that is now just
    the river. If houses got wet, that was supposed to be, because "they
    wanted that". Hillel has a solution for everything, and it is always
    so friendly and easy, don't you think ? /sarcasm

    Well here we have this idiot Hillel, and we ask him: we have people
    working on Shabbos, but now they become guilty since working on Shabbos
    is prohibited. Hillel declares: "If you bring 5 witnesses, each of which
    fold a sheet of paper around their head, and they stand on one leg while
    saying in unison 'oeeheee aahaaeeea!', and there is an honorable Judge
    present to see that everything has gone meticilously according to this
    precept, then for the rest of that year working on the Shabbos is
    allowed, so that they do not become guilty of working on the Shabbos ! Absolutely brilliant, isn't it. Hillel knows the way !

    Funny enough, did they actually even do that ? Yes, they did. The Jewish
    people pretend the day ends when it gets dark, unlike any other people
    and completely against the natural way of things, which is that it is
    the next day after you have slept during the night. Sleeping during the
    night, by the way, is also part of the Tanach. One of the Prophets
    talked about how bad it is to turn the day into night and night into
    day. Because the Jewish people fake the day ending in the evening, they
    pretend the Shabbos has ended when it is still the same waking day. They pretend the Shabbos ended when it got dark, and that leaves the entire
    rest of the evening to work. You could even work into the night.

    The problem here is not that they might even do that, the problem is
    that they ruined the law. Law is very bread and wide, it isn't merely
    your own personal choices. Laws are made to curb bad behavior, of those
    who wish to engage in a certain bad behavior. Laws are not made to tire
    good people with more reading, although laws can also be helpful to good
    people to give structure and direction. When given as laws with
    punishments attached (breaking the Shabbos is already the death penalty,
    no less), they exist to curb bad behavior.

    The 7th year debt cancellation exists as a law, to curb bad behavior
    of greed and viciousness. It is also clear (to me at least, who
    wrote an entire book about economics after all, with an over complete Constitutional law in it which includes financial laws, so I did have
    a think or two on the topic) that it is a general 7th year, because that
    makes it harder to cheat. Everyone is supposed to cancel their debts,
    and this can be trumpeted around to everyone. The poor and weak who may
    be under the spell of the viciousness of the rich or lying Rabbis, may
    hear it and get an ear for their complaint, because everyone is busy
    with it. The entire law is set up in such a way as to protect people, to prevent bad people to break it in relative secrecy. That is why it is
    one year for all, also the same with the Jubilee on land.

    What else can Hillel solve ? Here is an idea: there are people who wish
    to worship the Sun, but it is not allowed by the law of the Torah. It
    even explicitly forbids worshiping the Sun. Hillel got it ! Solution by
    Hillel: put a Sun disk idol on the 2nd Temple, and have it reflect the sunlight, so that everyone who worships the Sun can always say that they actually bowed to the 2nd Temple instead. Who can tell ? They are both
    at the same spot now. Brilliant: you can worship the Sun disk idol, or
    you can show your allegiance to the God of your ancestors, the Creator
    of everything, and it both looks exactly the same. You can't be
    prosecuted if you worship the Sun. Let's call the idol not the Sun disk
    idol, becaues that would be too obvious. Call it a Lamp, because Jewish
    people love lamps. Call it the 'Lamp of Helena', and make it out of gold !
    The poeple who want to worship gold, the golden calf, then have their
    wishes fullfilled at the same time.

    You see how Hillel makes everyone happy ? How friendly he is, how he
    makes people live together in harmony ? The rich are no longer upset.
    People who work on Shabbos are happy too. Both the people who adhere to
    the Torah, and the Sun disk idolators and the people who celebrate the
    golden calf, they all live together in harmony. Peace and happiness at
    long last !

    Then the consequences came: the Romans sacked the 2nd Temple, rededicated
    by Israel herself to the Sun, and the long and bloody exile began. This
    exile is far from over. It seems the worst is yet to come. Only a
    remnant will return, the rest was lost thanks to Hillel the traitor,
    and his treasonous Rabbis.

    These Rabbis have their mouths full of Redemption and the coming
    'moshiach'. Why ? What do they expect, with their record of treason and
    exile ? Well, the prophets already said what would happen: they will be
    cut away in one fell swoop, and they will no longer be allowed to teach
    Israel, because they have misled Israel. HKB'H himself will teach.

    Hashem would teach his children, but what does that mean ? i interpret
    it to mean, that the Jewish children and people generally will no longer
    accept just an authority - like Hillel - to make up some words and they
    will go by it because everyone else does, but that they have a new will
    to truly know and understand what they are doing. To truly understand
    for yourself and not even as a student in modern schools who also for
    the most part merely learn by memory some tricks the teachers give them, without understanding. Going to school is not enough. To truly
    understand. To truly be able to say: "If I want to be good in this case,
    then I can compute that good." If you are exceedingly good at that, you
    should arrive at ... the Torah, and even go beyond what is written as
    the Torah into finer detail and so on. To be good is an artform, and to
    be good is to become happy (in the infinite term of life), so there is
    every motivation to do so.

    The way I see this happen, as that Hashem is actually really teaching
    Israel is because once you try to solve a difficult puzzle (like
    economics, if you have not much of an idea about it like I had for
    example), you are basically just faced with a blank in your mind. If you
    really want to figure it out and get over your own misunderstandings, shallowness, mistakes you have been taught already and the like, and you
    want to change this confusing mess in your head with true and clear understanding, it becomes work and it might not be fun to do. You puzzle
    such and you puzzle so. Once you start reading a good book, this can of
    course give you the answer quite quickly, and that can help a lot to
    make it faster, although you take the challenge away from yourself to a
    degree. Still, a book can be quite complicated if you want to really
    understand the matter, as opposed to just remember the solution formula.
    At the point where the days and weeks, even months or years go by, and
    you just cannot find the answer, it is likely you will in your mind just
    start to beg for an insight from heaven or the like. Think of it like a Scientist of chemistry or Scholar of history, and they are at the edge
    of human knowledge already so there are no books with the solutions, and
    they study and think year on year to see the answer. Then suddenly they
    have a good solution. In some cases at least, perhaps many or even all,
    it could be heaven who lends the struggling soul a helping hand, by
    literally giving them the answer they are looking for, straight into the
    mind. You won't get to that point if you merely memorize words in a
    book, or formulas in a Schulchan Aruch. That is not understanding. You
    could call it, knowledge without understanding. True understanding is
    also creative. You understand a deeper principle, and can work that out
    into different practical applications (often at least).

    This is how the Rabbis then will basically be displaced by Hashem.
    I wonder though if there would still be schools, but just the demands of
    the students would be much greater. Not to merely recite but to explain,
    and not to repeat but to understand. The current crop of Rabbis clearly
    can go packing home, or put themselves in the student benches, because
    if you promote something like a prozbul, you are a retard.

    P.S. There where those who made the prozbul in such a way, that the loan
    should be cancelled. If I am reading this confused mess of a prozbul
    (which I hate so much I don't even want to understand exactly how their
    crimes work), it seems the prozbul could be enacted upon a loan after it
    was given (!). So you give a poor person a loan and later you just
    spring a prozbul on them. This truly is criminal, I hope they will not
    avoid their punishment. Ah, they are exiled and mass murdered as a
    consequence of these things, so I guess this is already done. Anyway, it
    seems there are people who create a prozbul in such a way, you could say
    a faulty way of sorts, so that the loan will be cancelled. The prozbul
    was made *before* the loan ? In any case, if they disabled the prozbul
    in such a way that the loan is cancelled, they did the right thing. If
    that was necessary within the given power structure to keep to the
    Torah, if the Rabbis could not just be overthrown outright as they
    should have, by force if necessary, so that the entire word 'prozbul'
    can be forgotten as the despicable lie that it is, then maybe that was
    the way to do it. At least the loan is cancelled, that is the main
    thing.

    The Rabbis will continue to destroy your people, and millions of you may
    be dying soon, thanks to things like this. Your Rabbis are destroying
    you, while you think they are helping you survive. I guess they do that
    too, because at least they also copy the Torah, but they messed with it.
    They have been told this already for so long. Islam also told them this,
    but they did not want to listen, and prophets I suppose they still did
    exist but the morality of Israel became so low that they would not be
    capable of identifying properly who where the good and who are the evil.
    I am not saying 'the Rabbis are evil' but the prozbul is the work a
    retard, and to accept the prozbul is to be a retard, or worse. On this
    issue, they are evil and are destroyers of Israel, and they have ruined
    their own Nation with lies like the prozbul. They will never stop, until
    they are simply no longer listened to. Just stop listening to these
    liars. Once they have done Teshuva, returned to the law, maybe you can
    test them if they are still retarded or not. I guess they also do some
    good, but things like the prozbul are utterly unacceptable.

    It isn't even so much the law if some gentile Nation had it on the
    books. The problem is the dishonesty, the problem is the destroying of something great, which is the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu. The problem is
    how clear the law of the Torah is, and how clear the lie of the prozbul
    is in contrast to it, and still you go on with it. A pile of dung is
    just fine, I love dung because I need it on my garden. If however you
    drop a pile of rotting carcasses straight on the table where the food is prepared in a beautiful palace and everyone is wearing their finest, it
    stands out like a wrong.

    You put poison in a good well. You put sand in the cookies. You put
    rocks in your bed to sleep on (incidentally, this is how I feel every
    night, like sleeping on rocks, it really was a good description, and
    being bruised as if a heavy object is laying on you or you have been in
    an accident and it is a few weeks later but you still hurt; it gets
    better but still it is there). You ruined a good thing with these small
    but ruinous likes like the prozbul. I don't think you will be Redeemed,
    then until you stop with lies like this. Since you will not even under
    the worst circumstances, only a "remnant will return". The rest will
    presumably die out.

    The last punishment for your crimes cost ¹/₃ of you their lives. The
    Torah says, every round is 7 times worse. You have not returned to the
    Torah. For a while, Chabad did better than at least before the 2nd World
    War, but it was definitely not a true Teshuvah. They still kept the old
    lies going, such as the prozbul. All kinds of schisms also, which is
    very bad. Fools disagree becaues their random minds go in all manner of directions according to their shallow emotions, while wise people agree
    becaues their piercing minds converge upon the same truth. Thus you are
    a Nation of fools. You underestimate things greatly. You think this is basically a world of joy and do whatever you want, and the consequences
    are minor. The consequences are huge, especially in the long term. You underestimate the importance of the truth, and the greatness of your
    Torah, and the foolishness of your own Rabbis and you yourselves if you
    do not struggle against an evil like the prozbul. The current mess in
    Israel is beyond description, from what I randomly gleaned. How many
    groups are there now, including political parties, religious schisms and particular interests ? The Jews of America also completely seem to have
    given up. The point is: you are probably in a worse state than before
    World War 2, which warranted the holocaust as a punishment for
    disloyalty to the Torah apparently. The next punishment would be 7 times greater than the Nazi holocaust. It looks like it already started.

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    By the way, it is also possible that Trump will wage war seemingly on
    the side of the Zionist Rebel State, so that the Zionist regime feels
    empowerd to rage wildly with their bombs, only fueling more and more
    anti Jewish propaganda around the world. It becomes like a bow which is
    tensed up more and more. Then when the USA suddenly pulls the plug on
    helping the Zionist regime, and they collapse because they have no
    supplies and resources for such a war on their own, all this anger could motivate a great assault upon Israel from all sides. If Trump gets
    replaced by Obama in the USA, and this anger against Israel is brought
    to a boiling point, who knows if there will be a second holocaust within
    the USA, on the Nazi model but with modern technology.

    You see, you have nowhere to run, but back to your God, your Torah.
    I try to save you by showing you your lies, so that you know you have
    become a retard. If that makes you sad, that's a sign of hope. If that
    makes you angry because you are nisulted: you are the same as the
    gentiles, with their pride. As a Nation you choose death, you choose
    dishonesty and lies, you blemish the greatest thing which is your Torah.

    You have been warned and shown a way out, for your own benefit. Your
    deaths are on you. Don't come around and blame me later or not caring or trying. You underestimate the severety of things. You don't take it all
    serious enough. You think you are allowed to more or less be like
    children and chat happily and have a good time, to be friendly.
    Certainly that is a good thing, but it can not only be that, and you
    have allowed a viciousness within yourself, which is anything but
    friendly, anything but having a good time, such as the prozbul, but you
    think you can just gloss over that and ignore it or put it off to the
    side. It is not possible. I think you cannot be Redeemed, and you will
    not be Redeemed in your current state. You think it is just fine for
    people at the Nova festival to dance before a giant Buddha statue,
    raised meters in the air. Not even a word about it. Nothing seems to
    matter to you. "Live and let live", is what you think is good enough,
    but within that seeming friendliness lives the viciousness of a prozbul,
    the viciousness of landlessness, and the mindlessness of never stopping
    the work, the carelessness of allowing lies to be your laws, which repels
    good peole who care away from you and away from the officeses which they
    should have held (such as Judge).

    Embrace your deaths and the misery to come, because it might be the only
    way you will come back to life. Those who will be angry and leave,
    because they thought they knew better without putting in an effort to understand, let them leave and not return. When you are in hiding for
    the murderers, whom I hope will be punished worse than you, try to
    understand and return to the truth, try to start caring for the truth.
    If you do, from the worst perhaps you can lift yourselves up and
    accomplish the greatest: peace on Earth forever, with cakes and choco on
    the table too. ;-)

    You don't take it serious enough. The laws of nature of nature have a
    solution for that, which is called pain. Just being more good than evil
    is not going to be good enough with modern technology anymore. It has to
    be good, more good and only good, and forever more. Humanity does not
    take things seriously enough. It is like a world with the brain switched
    off, and I can understand the reason being that people are too evil to
    even be allowed to have a brain, but that doesn't solve the problem.

    Why can't you just read some angry words like the above, admit you have
    been lying, rectify your retarded behavior and your Rabbinical books,
    and we all live happy ever after. Why do you first want to suffer
    millions of dead people first ? After all that, you still have
    accomplished nothing, and you still have to do everything anyway.
    You achieve nothing with your obstinacy, except death and misery.

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