The following are a few ideas relating to the hypotheses, that the main
thing which Eve & Adam did wrong in the 'Garden of Eden' was to steal,
and that the story refers to a time in history when humanity started to
become farmers, from which the entire current world has been created.
The assumption is that the story of Adam & Eve refers to things which
happened on Earth, possibly in a greater way than merely two persons,
although it can also be two persons. The story in the Torah is written
as history, it actually happened.

This hypotheses seems to be quite satisfying, because it seems to be
able to explain so many things. First is that this is a new creation:
humanity as a farmer and keeper of animals. It is a new world.

This new world would have been incredible to live in, because now we
could make things we could not carry along anymore. Our windswepped
tents and trouble making fire, would be replaced by fixed housing. The
search for food would be replaced by growing food right around our
house, animals included.

The humans obviously are however not living in such a paradise, rather
they have waged war on each other and many other evils. Where did those
evils come from: you can see that many animals fight with each other,
such as over territory and mating rights. The theory of evolution offers
a good explanation for this: if the strongest bull gets to father the
calfs, they may all be stronger if the herd needs to face off against a
pack of lions or wolves (etc). These creatures need to be strong in
their body itself: muscles, agility, horns, even the will to fight.
You could argue that (too) peaceful animals have died out already. While
this may not hold true for all animals, the animals we are closely
related to (by body at least), often have this fighting and territorial elements. Also many animals who are quite dissimilar to us, such as
ants, they also have wars with each other. The wars may produce the
strongest fighting ant survivalists, which in turn comes in handy if the
colony is assaulted by some kind of predator, or even if the ants
themselves are on the offensive attacking prey.

It makes sense that when humans where merely roaming around in small
bands, not being farmers yet, they also had to fight with animals, and
where sometimes being hunted by them. The strength of the body plays an important role in such fighting, if you are only equipped with simple
weapons such as stones, sticks, spears and even later bows. It is not
until the age of farming starts, when creativity and co-operation
becomes more and more dominant in the way to defeat the animals. The
violence which may have been a good thing in the past - which was quite
the same as with animals the fighting over a girl, and the fighting over territory also literally the same as the behavior of many mammals and
other animals - started to slowly become obsolete, without the humans
realizing it. If you could see the future, you could know it was already obsolete. Settled life will allow us to create tools which will be
better if we co-operated together. If the tools where still used to
fight, this itself would become our greatest enemy. We had defeated the
animals from without, but are now faced with a new enemy: the animal
from within. This is both all 'bad' (violent) behavior from within you yourself, and in the form of criminals, who are people who let their
inner animal rule them.

Hence we now get new demands on survival and living for humans. From a
level of violence but also a level of co-operation being the ideal way
to live (animals also often have a level of co-operation present in
their lives, such as within the family, pack, group, colony, etc), to a
broad and general peace (except against criminals), creativity and
productivity (work).

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The idea now becomes that if the humans become farmers, they have a
choice to make between success and failure, survival and death (heh, I
just wrote by accident what is in the Torah), happiness and sorrow,
which is broadly the choice between peace and war, between respect for
other humans and war, between respecting what belongs to someone else
and stealing which becomes lying murder and war.

The humans can go on with their previous habbits of an amount of violence,
and then this violence will likely become much worse thanks to settled
life. If you are small roaming bands, the amount of violence you can
engage in is quite limited. While you could punch each other in the eye,
or you could even kill someone, the strain of the fighting itself is not
good for survival. Wounds get infected, trips to water get delayed, and
so on. Also it is just not so often people would meet each other, and
often it might be smarter to not fight at all, but to run away and never
see each other again. You also do not see large scale animals wars,
which cause the kind of destruction and hell we see with human wars.
Sometimes an elephant might be deadly wounded, or two tigers kill each
other, or a crocodile ends up with a scar, and so on. This does not
compare to something like the second world war, and even less to the
war which the humans have now started to fight.

Hence there was a risk involved with humans becoming farmers, and that
is that the humans are going to turn the Earth into a hell. This risk is
still on the table. There are still groups of humans who dedicate their
lives to turning the Earth into a hell. Needless to say, they think they
will rule the misery as Kings and be the 'winners', who get all the
girls and territory. They think like animals, or rather they are
motivated by their animal side, you could say. They never evolved, or
returned back to being like animals.

What do you do when there is a risk, a danger ? You can investigate how
big the danger is. You can run a test. You could give the humans a task
to complete, which is to keep their hand from stealing: tell them to not
eat from a certain tree. If they can do it, they learned peace, and this element of behavior could become larger and larger until it becomes an
all encompassing peace. Humans could then live forever without any
problem, they would not fight wars, or try to create a Distopian hell
world on Earth.

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This does not seem to entirely line up with the Torah at this point
however, because Adam & Eve where supposed to be created perfectly.
Everything was at first fine in the Garden of Eden. The above hypotheses
argues that there may have been violence with humans just as with
animals, but in the Torah the story seems to be that there was an
initial peace, that all was well. In order to harmonize both views, you
could think that there was an initial peace in the groups who started
doing farming (to a degree) and settled life (to a degree). There was an archeology documentary about just this by the way, with surprising
similarities to the Adam & Eve story, about early farming and keeping
animals in the middle east. The documentary even seems to have found
evidence of it all going wrong, by which time they lost their knowledge
of the hunter-gatherer way of life, and thus they where forced to work
terribly hard to survive.

What you then get in total is that there may have been an early farming culture, who where innocent enough to just live in peace with each
other. However there was a potential for violence within them, a
sleeping animal within them so to say. Had this culture established
farming and animal keeping and settled life (which they did) as a way of
life for humans, their power would eventually be all consuming on Earth
(which is what we see today). If they then sadly brought out their
violent selves, their animal selves so to say, and began stealing from
each other, which becomes lying, murder, war and Tyranny, then all this greatness for the future would turn into it's opposite, and life would
end up worse than ever before.

It would be needed that they made a strong and reliable break with the
element of violence to other humans for selfish (criminal) gains. This
test with not eating the fruit from that tree, then is both a test and a lesson, you could argue.

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You then also get the rather obvious logic, that once you have said that
some random tree they where supposed to not eat from it, that simply
because of that statement it becomes the tree of the knowledge of good
*and evil*. Once you start stealing (lying, murdering etc), you will
obviously gain knowledge of how to perform such evil. If someone grows
up and they decide to become a criminal, to steal and to lie and to do
violence against innocent people, they obviously learn how to do evil.
They will gain knowledge of doing evil, of what evil is all about, what
are the tricks, and so on. Hence here you could emphasize that this tree represents not just the knowledge of good, but specifically also of
evil. If you will, all the other trees from which it was fine to eat,
become trees of the knowledge of good (or at least in a minor sense,
just living and gaining experience you might grow a bit in your
knowledge every day), whereas this tree from which it was forbidden to
eat, becomes through that decree alone a tree of the knowledge of evil.

If you learn to do evil, you will also still learn about good, for
various reasons, such as that you will be dealing with good people from
which you want to steal and you want to understand their behavior, even
if you do evil you still need to perform other tasks correctly, or you
want to work together with another criminal and to make that work for a
while you need to 'be good' to your fellow gangster, and all in all it
is likely that you could still learn things about being good.

*

From the perspective of creation you could argue: if the test and lesson
had been succesful, we can all relax and the humans will be a wonderful creation and become very happy. They can be given everything they need,
there is no danger. If some people still go bad, you can destroy them
with the remaining good people.

If however the test goes bad, you loose your best people to stealing,
then you have a reason to slow down this creation, to bring on the pain
to them, so that they might rethink their evil choice. So that by
experiencing the consequences of evil, they would still want to be good.
This learning from mistakes is ingrained in the whole world, and animals
are also party to it. In that sense it is nothing out of the ordinary.
A mistake was made, pain was the unexpected result, so now we need to
figure out how to resolve the pain, what will stop the pain. Not taking
that forbidden fruit, not stealing, not lying (except to criminals if
necessary because they are at war), "all good behavior", that will stop
the pain.

The pain is the loss experienced by the victim of the stealing, the
lying, the war, etc. Loss of free access to land, loss of money (through
a prozbul for example), loss of life through war, loss of health from
fighting, etc. It is pretty obvious in general, but people refuse to
make serious work out of the problem. You can see in the fact that humans maintain markets in land sold in perpetuity as a strong sign that humans
are not understanding what they are doing. They are stealing land from
each other, and they usually don't even know it.

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Apparently the Creator has allowed humanity to experience pain up to the maximum for a period of 6,000 years, starting from farming. I don't have
a clue as to why this number exactly, besides that it sounds nice and
rounded in a 10 digit numbering system. Perhaps it was good enough, and
the total amount of misery could always be adjusted on the go to fit the
needs of the situation. While in centuries past it was possible to argue
that this was ultimately uncertain (the Torah does not explicitly seem
to say it ?), it seems Judaism has won the argument because we see an incredibly rise in technology, which seems it is going to accelerate
into infinity. This becomes a moral do or die moment, because we gain
the power to destroy ourselves, or worse create a hell world.


Some random thought about 'Earth as a hell world'

A Dystopian high technological Tyranny, which is what Elon Musk seems to
be trying to do with their brain implants and all this hell the ruling
class is trying to create (in my opinion). Very slowly they roll out their programs of mass control. On the one hand they got far with their global control over Governments, on the other hand they are still a long way
off from being able to dictate to every individual on Earth in a strong dictatorial and vicious way what they can and cannot do on punishment of
all kinds of pain (their ultimate goal). We can only hope that humanity
in general will eventually overthrow this scum, the problem being that
this scum knows this problem all too well, and they are trying to get
people into an inescapable trap before people will want to rebel them.
The weapons are getting worse and worse, surveilance also. There are
weapon systems we don't know about, masses of warfare robots and
weaponized infrastructure can be build up around people too dumb to
realize they are building their own prison, brought to hysteria by some
random created war or other mostly imagined danger.

Elon Musk has literally ordered a machine to be build, which he thinks can quickly and automatically implant citizens / costumers with a brain chip,
which has thin threads which they literally push right into your brain
(!!!). This is how sick these people are. It will all be pretended to
be for the benefit of the people doing this, and they will undoubtedly
try to make it so that these people see some kind of benefit from it. If
it isn't faster access to evil propaganda, then perhaps it literally is something like a cookie (such as a tax break or "highly trusted person"
access to things other people are denied, and so on).

The ultimate scenario would be: nuke the world, create a massive famine,
and open seemingly nice and cozy (actually nice and cozy) work / living
places for everyone who accepts "bio enhancement". It will actually
be bio degradation, but the propaganda will be top of the line, no
expenses spared. We can expect all the usual: from people with brain
implants saving babies from certain death, to saving the world, and how
they cry about people not liking their implants, and so ond and so on,
until humanity is where they want it to be. Then they just let people
die if they are not being implanted with control devices (which will not
be called that of course, and initially may not even be used as such).
Once everyone else is dead, they have a population of slaves who are
not even free in their minds anymore. Their brain implant will likely
be able to detect a lot about them, and may even be able to literally
control them to a degree. Wether the control will be crude or incredibly insidious, I don't know. Both seem possible. We can assume they already
did all their testing illegally.

Needless to say, in a Redeemed Israel I would think such people should
be banished. They may not enter the land. Only people with brain
implants for medical reasons can be allowed, such as if it helped them
get their hearing back. Hopefully it will also be possible to repair
people who have been implanted, so that they become fully human again.

The risk of this technology is much worse than I think people realize,
because on the one hand the technology will keep progressing, and on the
other hand the human body also keeps adapting to what is being done to
it, especially in a young age. We are even already at the level of
technology where human DNA could be manipulated before the person his
body is even two cells big. It seems that the possibilities are already
going to infinity. Since this power is in the hands of evil people, of
animals if you will, the danger is great. Human extinction in the end is preferrable than to what these evil people want to do, if they end up
being successful.

Ultimately however, it is still a world created by heaven. It doesn't
matter what the forces of evil do. In the end they do not have the last
say. This is one of their mistakes. They think that once they have
humanity in the trap, that is it. As if the world somehow could exist
forever, as if it is a computer program which everyone forgot about and
will never check up on. While their Dystopian hell world might last a
while, even to the perfection of what they hope it to be, eventually I
do not think it will be allowed to capture the souls of those they want
to capture. Even in the scenario that Earth will become a permanent hell
world, I guess most people their souls will simply no longer go there.
It all is a matter of who goes where, isn't it. Who controls who is born
where ? Not them.

For whithin their scheme of things, if it where to be allowed, I think
what will happen is that different kinds of souls / beings will start
coming here, and by birth and events they will take over the entire
thing, without much problem at all. The humans who created this trap for
us all, they will loose their prey which is humanity, more and more.
More and more people who suffered the hell these evil people want to
create, will probably have suffered all they deserved to suffer.
Hopefully there will be some mercy for them at that point, even to the
extend that they seize to exist. We then have this world, full of evil
and high technological Tyranny, and what do you do with it ? The logical
next step is that the people who created, must undergo their reward and punishment logic. They will have to fall in the trap they set for
others, so that perhaps they will learn ? If that where to be the
objective, i think it would be a snap of the fingers and the tables
would be turned on these people. They could literally be born into the
wretched bodies of their own slaves produced in factories, and suffer
the hell from that end. I have no idea if such logic will still hold up,
but the entire existance by that time will probably feel different
on Earth if it where allowed to exist. If you get different entities
running the show on Earth at that point, the whole Earth might already
become psychic, so to say, so that everyone knows what everyone is
thinking, because of the clarity of the evil everywhere. Everyone is
evil, everyone thinks alike, so they all know each other inside and out,
and from there they are just torturing each other into oblivion.

That would be the nightmare scenario for the ruling class, which is what
I think they may be creating for themselves, without realizing it.
Fortunately it does not seem it is going to be allowed to go this way,
because Israel is going to Redeem itself, and finally turn humanity into
what it should be. Right ? Wasn't that you guys your job ? How about it.
Now would be a good time, or aren't you done TARRYING yet.

Note that this future picture is basically a science fiction movie with
some added speculation. I have no idea if such things are even anywhere
close to reality. It may sound logical, but that doesn't mean it would
be true. It is too speculative to take it too serious. However, it is
still a theoretical possibility, and these evil people who work on this
kind of a future should rethink what they are doing, before they fall
into the trap they set for others. These evil people also need to just
stop with their childish idea that nobody knows what they are doing.
Every molecule, every little thing, it exists. Every hair on their head,
it exists. That is a huge signal, isn't it. Nothing can be hidden, there
is no such thing as hiding. Everything is on the big screen, always and forever, down to every last molecule. You can hide from human eyes
because we play this limitation game, but ultimately everything is known
and more than that. Every thought they have is known.

I kindly ask the people of evil, you know perfectly well who you are:
rethink, because when the game is over, mercy for you will be in
short suply. I realize however it may be extremely difficult for you,
to still become normal happy humans. I wonder if you realize the pain
that is possible, and which may be created for you to experience. The
'autists' on dani18 have also warned you for this. When it is over, it's
over. If you are alive now, it could mean you still have a chance. If
you now have great power to do evil, you may also have great power to do
good. It may be among your last chances to live. I am merely speculating,
but your speculation about yourself and the future is probably not any
better than mine. With your power as a group, you do have the ability to
set the whole world to peace and justice. If you do, it might undo all
your evil eventually. If you do not, you become guilty of not doing it,
because you are supposed to do just that. That is your job, to do good,
to be loyal and good people, innocent and loving. If you did it seriously,
you would know it is worth it. If you don't, the pain you may get in,
you could wish you had never been created, you will cry out without end
to be destroyed. Don't risk it, while you still can. You are creating
a trap for yourselves in the end. Everythin is known, don't fool
yourselves. You are merely humans. You compare yourself to fools all day
long, to make you think you are smart. Does it mean anything to be
smarter than a human fool ? When King Salomon, according to some source, brought even an alien to Earth, Salomon was laughed at for being
ignorant, and he was the wisest human ever, far outstripping everyone of
you probably. We are nothing, we are a set of arrogant Earth worms.

You think you be the masters of the universe, but the way you are going
you are going to beg to just be a grain of sand on the Earth, and that
goal will seem like an impossible dream of happiness to you. You want everything and to enslave everyone, and so you will end up with nothing.
You think you can just "do stuff" and it will stick, completely
disregarding the issue of agreement about what reality should be.
Tricking people into something does not equal agreement. Who, the hell,
do you think you are, to think you will reign as gods over an endless
amount of others ? These others are merely bowed down to you for a
while, to serve their punishments and to learn. You are a tool, they are
the goal. You failed as humans, but can still serve as a tool for a
while. That is how nothing you are. You think you bow humans down, but
it is not the case in the end. One day you will find out, that all the
garbage that comes out of you, it will fall flat in front of your faces,
none will care for it, and you will shut youselves up because of the
hate you gain when you speak. That may be your future, as far as I could randomly speculate on it, also not knowing what will actually be. You overestimate yourselves incredibly. When the delusion of the masses is
lifted, you stand there with nothing. Perhaps you can still save
yourselves a little, I suggest you get on it right now. You are in a
delusion, you are yourselves the ones who are tricked. The only way out
is the good, for everyone.

This is at least what I think; it might not be true, just a best guess.
The only way out of the suffering for everyone, including the most evil,
is the good. Everything else becomes garbage. Choose the good, and you
should have everything you need ind the end, and more. A future, life.
One moment of that will be better than an eternity of your wretched and
evil rule over the Cosmos and the pleasure you think you will have while
doing it, which will be dim at best, and likely be nothing more than the
same idiotic existence you have now, probably be a complete hell for you
as suggested above. You chase nothing, you're in a box where human
failures are collected. It doesn't matter how smart you are, it matters
how good you are. Smartness can always be increased by time, but you
have to have the will to be good yourself. Without that you become
nothing, nobody wants you, everyone hates you, because you hurt others.
Why do you first have to destroy yourselves to learn this ? Are you
that scared for earning an honest living ?

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Hopefully soon we will defeat this scum forever, Israel willing ;-).
Still some tarrying to do on that front it seems. They are just a slow
people I guess. No rush with the Redemption, just take it easy, postpone
it a few more decades ... and blame someone else for it ! I guess heaven
just grabs this box of failed humans, and uses it to smash Israel over
the head with the question: how about now, today ?! Eventually they will
get it and a remnant will return, and then this box of failed humans can
be removed from power, forever.

(Sorry for ranting the morning away. I don't know why I do it. I feel
sorry for you if you have read through it all; have a nice day. ;-)
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