The Jewish people are not going to return to the truth, they are not
going to stop lying about the Torah. They are not going to stop the
prozbul, not going to distribute the land to all, they are not going to
admit their guilt, they will not destroy the Sun disk idol now being
made in Yerushalayim by the so-called "Temple Institute", they will not
return to keeping the Shabbos (stop with their messed up day schedule to
make working on Shabbos legal, although fortunately a lot of people
are not being damaged by Rabbinical Judaism and refuse to follow their
lie).

Everything was already layed out for them in the Torah, and you can
explain it to them secularly until you die, it won't make any impact whatsoever. It is probably the same kind of ignorance and apathy you see
with the other Nations, who also worship the Establishment because that
is where all the money is. That you can reorganize an economy and State
to make that money go where it belongs, does not register with them for
some reason.

I speculate that because humans became farmers and animal keepers not
long ago (about 6 000 years), that their intelligence, their direction of thinking, and everything they are used to and do instinctively, is set
up wrong for this new kind of living. It is a seriously different kind
of living, which has different kinds of demands in many different areas.
One of those areas is intelligence about those things which are
different, the understanding of them. They (we) don't really understand
this new way of survival yet.

In the stone age, you where a small group or band, you roamed around
going to places where you could find food, water, fire, etc. There where
not many people.

Since the age of farming, you have to build a fixed house for all
seasons, you need to grow food and keep animals, because you are fixed
you cannot deplete the place where you are, not even the soil around you
for plant growing, and you start living in larger villages and then huge cities.

All this change in a matter of some thousands of years, while the time
before has been hundreds of thousands of years long. It is currently
estimated that humans gained the ability to make fire about half a
million years ago. Even a few hundred years ago, and a few rare cases
today still, there was still hunter gathering life going on with humans
on Earth.

This short time to adapt to a new way of living, has probably caused the intelligence of humans to not have had enough time and disasters caused
by themselves, to learn how to live this way. For example, humans still
do not comprehend they need to give everyone their land. This fact seems
to completely escape them, even when it is only *more* important in the
age of high end technology and robots. If you are a land owner, the
robots work for you, you have a passive power in the economy. If you are
not a land owner, you are wildlife on someone else's land, and they
probably don't need you, except for a few slaves.

People think all day long about their position in the Clan, even though
Clans no longer exist. They think a lot about the things they make,
because making things, tools and toys, houses and everything, that was
always a big thing. For how long have humans sat around a fire, trying
to make a good spear by attaching a cut stone to piece of wood ?
Hundreds of thousands of years, it seems. For how long have people made clothing to withstand the cold, and shoes, all that from what they could
find and hunt. Handywork was always going on. Only the latest few
generations lost this ability to do handywork almost all the time,
because the machines took it over. Humans can think and have
intelligence about tools and toys to make, and it can be fairly easily transferred to the making of crafty fixed homes.

What is less obvious, apparently, is something which was rarely if ever
an issue: the management of all space. The entire world of a person, has
become one giant farm. A Nation is basically one giant farm. Even the
patches of nature we still have, we need to look after them like a
cherished garden, we have to force ourselves not to destroy them with
our greed and obsession to control everything and make money out it.
This need to control the 'everything' with a minimum of wisdom, to not
deplete everything and to allow people space so that they don't get
pushed to death by the (greedy) activity of others, this was not as much
or at all a problem in the distant past. There was either enough land,
you where roaming around anyway, and to the degree there was a fight
over a resource perhaps, the fight itself was also part of maintaining
fitness of the species (see other post of why this is no longer the case either).

People spend a lot of time thinking about their social position in the
group, and may at times do everything for it. They also spend a lot of
time hoarding their wealth together, often at the expense of others, and
just making things. This seems to be basically what people are up to
with the vast majority of their time. Managing the Nation, to the degree
that it is about managing the internal wealth of a roaming band, or
divide labor, a Government is a similar task as it could have been a
long time ago. If the strong men go hunt, if the woman get the fire
going and repair the coats and shoes, and if the children warn everyone
if they see wolves or signs of them, everything could be well. There was
a little bit of right to land going on as well, if there where for
example two bands close together at the same camp fire, or two groups
who could hunt, and they would say: if you go there, then we go here.
Nature in general took care of itself, and the humans had a limited job
to achieve in order to survive within it.

Now we are a farming people, which is different in many ways, while many
of the old issues also still go on. The things which humans which go the
worst are:

* Over use of nature so that it depletes and gets ruined.
* Injustices of humans against each other, lack of friendly behavior.
* War, organized mass murder and general destruction parties.

It seems that if these three things are solved, humans can live. If they
do not get solved, humanity may well die out, or worse (Dystopian hell
future, high technological Tyranny until it's destruction).

If someone does not want to learn, or if they think they are already
doing fine but it is not true, the solution for this is pain. Pain is
the signal to change something. Changing something does not necessarily
reduce the pain, it could make it even worse if the wrong solution is attempted.

If we hence would say, humans did not have had enough time yet to learn
how to live in this new way, you could say that this time could be
counted in the amount of pain they caused themselves getting it wrong.
If more time is needed for humanity to learn, then this implies more
pain is needed, especially with a species who is obviously retarded on
the population level retarded beyond believe basically. The level of
stupidity is unnecessary and unacceptable, in my opinion.

It isn't merely about stupidity anymore, it is also about wanting to
be evil, such as our ruling class (with which I think about the bosses
above the mass media, that is where the power is, and those bosses
have that power thanks to the money they extract from the system,
which comes from the largest corporations and which has morphed into a incredible financial parasite). They know that what they do is wrong,
they have all the power to set things right even forever, but they have
a will against it. They think their lives are good as it is. I guess
they lack a pain trigger to learn, also. They cause the population pain,
but the population does not reflect this pain back on them, due to the stupidity of the masses they typically cannot figure out who is hurting
them. If they can figure it out, they don't do anything, and if they do something it is not done well enough. I guess this is how the loop keeps
going. The solution would be for the masses, who get the pain, to learn,
and then deal with things.

To get that job done, I propose the system detailed on market.socialism.nl
I think it is a potent system, and quite different than people are used
to, because it is not one dimensional (so to say). People are used to
political plaftorms which are either "best guess" lists of solving
medium important Governmental issues (which can be a fair work for a
political party, and they might do some good with it), and then there is
the more fundamental works, which typically seem to fall into one
category: insane, over simplistic and beyond stupid (lol). Take
Communism or Capitalism: it is overly simplistic. Either it is no trade
at all, or everything must be traded (and will be, including your
Justice and your Government, to suit the rich and greedy). Then we have
the worst of it all: Anarchism in it's practical 'real' form, which is
nothing more than lawlessness and giving up on thinking entirely.

To contrast, I propose a detailed program around, again, one principle:
to distribute power to all ... but not in a simplistic way. If abuse of
power and centralization of power is the problem, "power corrupts", and
it makes sense that if everyone has the same power we can all tug a bit
in our direction, so that a useful economic and political balance is
achieved.

A balance of power is, in my opinion, a proven historical concept
at this point. Also we have the balance between Capitalism and Communism/Socialism, which has done much to make the current society
at least habitable for a while. This mixed economy was created out of
a power balance between the owners / traders / financers (some of whom
became super rich and wicked) and organized labor pushing back for social measures and laws everywhere (which is still going on and the only reason
we can still have a bit of a civilization here). The miked economy is
itself an example of a power balance. If you let the radical left win
and you get Anarchy or Communism out of it, all power would centralize.
it would be unlivible, as the series Marx, Lenin, Stalin have proven,
following the maniacal idea by Hegel (IIRC) that the State is everything.
There we have this over simplification again. No regards for spreading
power to all, for a balance of powers, and it went all wrong. Capitalism
left to it's own devices (laissez faire) created a hell so bad, finally
the masses organized themselves in the labor movement. The viciousness
of the power elite under laissez fair ("just let the market go"), it was
a Dystopia.

So, the principle behind it is, you could say: to value every person,
because giving every person power (giving everyone a vote for example)
is to assign value to every person. There are no wretched slaves whose
lives are irrelevant and then the gods of the Olympus for whom the world supposedly is created, to live and to kill, to enslave and to abuse.
Despite it's simplicity, it seems to be a decent principle at least.
You could talk more about it, and say it is a principle of love, of
care, of being human to another human, all humans (etc etc yaddayadda).
;-)

Contrary to the usual over simplistic programs, who then compensate for
their own lack by creating an incredible mass of confusion and
propaganda heavily laced with emotions to appeal to the masses, this
system is ... modular, multi facetted, at the same time highly detailed
but also summarized and simplified to just one single word. I wonder now
if this word should not be "Distribute power" but even more basic: care,
love if you will ? it kindof is "love" isn't it. (I never thought of
that before, sorry my failure to make effective propaganda shows
again.) What you get here is not a simplified thing like Capitalism
"Trade everything the market knows best", or Communist "Everything
should be political, our conscious decisions (over a vast Empire with
tens of millions of people who can barely debate one on one) know best",
or the Anarchist way "Leave me [explicitive] alone." XD It is all quite
a bit like the old "Let's ask for a King, let him figure it all out, so
at least we don't fight among ourselves". We tried these things, they
did't work out so well. The best thing so far is the balance of power, a
bit of everything if you will. A bit of Capitalism, a dash of Communism,
some glue from Socialism, served with a side dish of Anarchism (etc). Ah
we even have a King, who is balanced by not having the right to speak
(!). Meaning, we don't have a King, but okay, kindof we do
(Netherlands).

Despite this best effort and a bit of everything, things still do not
work out. If they had worked out, I would of course not have needed to
write a book about what to do. The three above mentioned worse problems
still persist, and it is getting worse. Much of the world took over the
ideas from Swiss, such as the Netherlands, and from there the Feudal
system was taken down more and more, until we now have this above
described system with a bit of everything. Since it is an historical accomplishment (or failure if you prefer), and at least it works to the
degree that it does (the water still flows out of the tap just fine for example), it is important not to neglect the idea that this might be the
best possible for the moment, given human good and bad behavior overall.
For example we could try a more serious democracy, but if it turns out
people just break out in fighting, we have improved the system, but made
things worse.

Hence the system I am proposing, also features a multi facetted
implementation plan, which runs over 9 methods and is mostly targeted at reform. If a forced Revolution is necessary, it is also provided for,
but only to the degree that would be necessary due to the abusive
Tyrannical nature of the enemy (a criminal Government). Even this
method is split into lesser and greater mobilizations of force, to try
to not make things worse than they are, or apply greater force than
necessary.

You then end up with a program which is first worked out in 4 lesser principles, or 5 if you add the idea of a trade economy: a democratic
State, companies become democracies when the owner leaves and it is
larger than a minimum amount of employees, limits on private wealth (but
quite high, easily enough play room for an economy, and of course you
can always play with it) and limits on investment Capital due to its destructive and parasitical nature, and (of course) the right to an
equal value share of the natural resources in the Nation (right to
land). Each of these ideas is then worked out in both simpler and more
detailed systems, so that it can work rather than be another showcase
thought experiment / impossible ideology / Utopia which will not exist.

The idea is mostly that it is a reform ideology, without falling into
either the danger of dillution into nothing, or over the top aggressive
action causing more damage than it is worth, or even becoming the
opposite of what it claimed to want to do (such as Napoleon declaring
himself Emperor, although you could argue there was still an achievement
in defeating the Feudal bosses one way or the other).

Despite or perhaps because the program is so multi facetted, modular, graduated, combining both simplicity and complexity, at the moment there
seems to be none who cares for it, although I have yet to see anyone
else putting in the effort to make something which I could think of as a program even close to being this good (I dare say; I know it is good so
why lie about it, it took like 15 years basically full time to do it,
without even the distraction of having a family around, so that is how
you get to something which is probably very good, and you know that it
is, even if there might be a few mistakes left in it).

Although it would be much better to get going on it, and deal with the intellectual failures of the other ideologies in understanding first,
then dealing with the practical organizational issus and start to gain experience with how to live like equals (this would be a huge effort for
a badly behaved people by the way, which could take centuries if not
thousands of years to complete, maybe even tens of thousands or hundreds
of thousands up to millions), then to lay down some political pressure
while doing good already where possible, and so forth ... within the
current world (so you see, the opposite idea of the need to destroy what
is to make room for something better, because we have all the freedoms
to work within the current culture of Parliament and markets and we are
not under Kings who would kill us all on the suspicion of not being
convinced of his Majesty and Excellence), this part of the plan is
currently clearly rejected. I consign this failure, to the degree it is
not my fault, to a lack of intelligence in the people, and particularly
those who should have known better and have supposedly learned how to
react to a logical argument (which is the constant in the book I wrote
about the overall plan, every single thing is always argued logically,
such as you also see in the postings here).

I don't think it is in principle my fault so much that this plan
currently is being ignored, because if people are to make a success out
of being equals, they need to have a minimum of care for each other.
They need to listen to the one who is wronged, even if this person does
not appeal to them by way of charisma, clothing or attractive wealth. On
the contrary, the person who is wronged will typically be lacking there.
They may be sad, even angry, perhaps smelly, not know how to speak, not
make much sense at first, the ones who have been wronged the most may
have gone crazy from it. How will these people see their case heard ? If
those people do not get their case heard in the system as I propose it,
you can all go to hell and die, right ? I don't make the system for the
people who are well off already, I make it for the victims.

To be able to rise up and deal with being wronged. They have land, they
can rebuild themselves, not need to become slaves. They can organize
by 50 and gain a seat just like that, in the Government. While it is
hard to organize by 50 to an extend, they can organize by 10 and take
it from there. Since it could mean something real, more of the victims
and the wretched may succeed in doing so, and having a seat is also an
income for someone. You could have someone seeing a wrong but the
victims are so destroyed they cannot organize anymore. Then this someone
may organized 50 of them, and when representing them in the Government,
draw an income for such representation, or at least some compensation.
The compensation which makes it possible to do it, while still paying
the bills.

I want to take the wicked liar vicious criminal out from his position of
boss over a company, and replace him with someone liked by those working
there, but also someone competent enough to not let the business fail,
and that's why it is still a business inside a larger economy, a free
floating organization which may go bankrupt if they fail.

* Less abuse of people against each other.
* No wars, except defensive (and no lies about it anymore either).
* Ending the rape & plunder to the bitter end of nature (of course).

This latest point is difficult to achieve, by a system which is aimed
more about how to organize humans themselves with respect to each other.
Once the humans are organized in such a dynamic way, they will make the decisions they are going to make. While I could argue that it is already
a lot of pressure for one species to dominate half of the land, that's
merely a sentence in a Usenet posting: who cares ? I could claim that is
part of the system, but there are no birds representing themselves in
the Government, able to argue their need for a tree to nest in. Hence
this problem is more or less a hole in the system, while on the other
hand it is a challenge to the people to stop destroying themselves also
in the end, by over drawing on the natural resources, which is
apparently one of the big ways human civilizations die in history.

It makes sense though, that this is a hole in the system, although it is mentioned as a law in the Constitution to at least assign space to
nature. If humanity is one man, now organized as an organic being of
sorts, where does he walk ? He walks into the space left open. Believe
me also, I think there is plenty to do in a system like this. Don't
think that when the system is there, everything is like done and over.
It is more like the story only just began, you where just set free from
your prison sentence. Make something from your life, and be good so that
you can live. Besides, then we have the Cosmos above, which is a lot of
space to say the least, and even the ground below.

War is hell, when that is done and over with, if you know what it is all
about, you will not miss it. You will miss it like a deadly plague, like
the death of your beloved child, you will miss it like a tooth ache.

Unpleasant human behavior, rudeness and scamming, crimes, this is also
not something to be missed. If you really miss it, you can always just
hit your head against a wall, or on purpose take a bat to your most
treasured belongings, and see if you feel better after the destruction.
I guess you won't.

Depletion and destruction of nature, our natural resources, this is also
not someting to be missed. There was a story about how in China they
sprayed so much poison, the bees went away. They now need to pollinate
their crops by hand ! I bet they would prefer their bees back. Is it to
be missed that the fishing ship goes out and comes back with almost
nothing, because the seas are depleted, or there was another gigantic
disaster due to management greed ? Do we need that kind of problem ?
I don't think so.

Not that everything will just be fine all of a sudden, but it is a
direction of thought, learning and action, which shows promise. It was
made to unite the good, because they are scattered and confused, break
out into schisms for no reason, and don't think things through. The
program creates a unity, while creating many different activities within
that unity. The unity is strength, and this strength makes it possible
to solve problems and if necessary to destroy the side of evil.

Since humanity has pretended nothing was proposed, they looked the other
way, but they have not adapted to the niche of farming survival good
enough to make it a success (meaning, if they go on this way they will potentially extinct themselves), the only answer to the problem in an historical sense seems to be: the consequences will come. You failed to
listen and care, therefore the consequences of what you have done will
come.

I think it will include a nuclear global war and attempt at
depopulation, as well as something even worse: an attempt at high
technological Tyranny. It is Stalin merged with Hitler, but now they
have mega weapons, nano weapons, and everything in between. In the time
of Hitler they did not even have Satalites in space. It seems it is
going to be something extreme. It is going to be a potent pain signal.

You could have avoided it perhaps, but you didn't care to listen to a
crazy man who was hurt badly. I am not good enough to be listened to, to
at least deserve a reply every once in a while, apparently. This is the
deeper problem, which is not necessarily solved by any system of
civilization, set of laws. You can teach the monkey tricks and dress him
up like a human, but he is still a monkey. The parrot can talk, but he
is still a parrot. Given enough time, perhaps monkeys can learn to fly,
and parrots learn to cook, and I can learn to shut up.

;-)
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