title: Jewish Denominations Explained
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsBgluFGz7Y
source: UsefulCharts

Comment:

It makes a lot of sense, because once Hillel the Elder committed
his treason against the Torah by legislating the (cursed and evil)
*prozbul,* it was everyone for themselves and just make something up
as you go along. The truth is _one,_ the errors are many. There is
only one answer to the question: 2 + 3, the answer is 5. There are an
infinite amount of wrong answers, such as 6, or -3, or 1500. Once they
broke with the Torah, it just kept on breaking.

I guess some of them then think that there is not enough _discipline_
in general, and so they elevate _minhag_ to the de-facto status of law,
without ever returning to the Torah and throwing out people like Hillel
and Rambam (who is guilty over creating the _heter iska)._ It makes
sense that it all happened during a time when, I think shortly after
the prozbul but not sure, a Sun Disk Idol was put on the 2nd Temple,
which most people probably never heard about, probably because there
was never any repentance for it. It's called the Lamp of Helena, and illustrates how lost the 2nd Temple was, and why the Romans could destroy
that Temple. It was the Jewish God keeping his promises in the Torah, to disperse and destroy his rebellious people, until they return to his law.

So you could add another view unto all of it, which is that they are *all* liberal / reform / reconstructionist / secular / non-believing schisms,
they are all reform they are all hippies. They all made up their own
thing. Isaiah already said it:

We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our
own way

Like sheep: a few wander to here, a few others to there, the herd
fractures into small groups and individuals, each following their own
limited vision. The grand unity of Israel around the Torah was lost.

All the lost parts will come together again in the end, it is all going
to come together again in the final Redemption, hopefully speedily in our
days. All will come together again, from the Ultra Orthodox Lubavitcher
to the secular Hippie - when they have been refined as silver and tried
as as gold (as the Prophets say), if they are good people. I see it
already, how it will all come together, and each will come even for
their own reasons, not by denying themselves but by becoming more truly themselves and peeling away the confusions.

It will likely however not happen, than after a tremendous punishment,
7 times worse, because the time which is being wasted, the sheep do not
want to come back to the truth. Therefore a flock of wolves will be send
after them, perhaps an assault like never before. When the dying is over,
the crying children of Israel will want to return.

The punishment at the end was your choice, because you kept tarrying
with the Torah and the truth. This is how your ruined the opportunity
to have a Redemption with ease. It looks like the reason to have a
Redemption through hell, is to make the Jewish people feel the
consequences of their mistakes so deeply that they will henceforth stay
close enough to the truth, because in a world with the kind of weapons
and toys that we have, war is no longer an option. There has to be
eternal peace, except maybe for a few limited remaining fights. The same corruption and ignorance which today prevents the Redemption, is the
same corruption and ignorance which would be destroyed in this hopefully
final punishment, 7 times worse than the Nazis (because that is what the
Torah says, every round of punishment is 7 times worse, and that is also
the only reason I keep hammering on it, there is no other reason). It is
also still possible that even after this punishment, the Jewish people
will still not return, however I think and hope they will, the remainder
- a remnant - will return to the truth, unite and Redeem themselves and
heir land.

One thing which is also damaging the Jewish nation today, is the
possible thought that they think they are with many and strong. In
Israel they feel somewhat strong, and in America they have lived without repression for a long time. This may have made them over confident, and believing there can be no serious punishment to whatever they do, no
serious deadly consequences. I think they are wrong. The Jewish Nation
is still as small as ever, even smaller now comparative to the other
Nations. They are fractured and confused. The USA gave the seculars
some bombs in the Zionist State, some money to wage war, but what does
it even mean. It takes a miracle for Israel to win a war against even
their neighbors, let alone against Russia, or indeed the entire world
together. For what reason would heaven grant such a miracle, if Israel
gave up on their Torah, has bored "loopholes" into it such as the
prozbul, completely fails to do the Jubilee on land even though they own
much of the land, and so on. Why would heaven protect this chaos ?

Will the Jews return to the truth once they see the miracles ? I was
told in a comment that Jewish people think that their God is with them,
because they see the constant miracles in the war. Indeed I wouldn't
dare deny such miracles as rockets of the enemy failing spectacularly,
etc. They think it means heaven is with them. I think it means heaven is showing them: you are alive thanks to heaven, thanks to our miracles. We
are here, we look out for you, return to the law we gave you, return
while you still can. It is not true what the Zionists said, that you are fighting alone, because we are fighting with you. Just like you do not
have to make up much of your own laws by your own (often misguided)
thinking, like the Zionists may be telling you that they will make the
laws as they see fit from now on as if there is no heaven, just so you
do not have to fight in a war by your own strength, because in both
cases heaven is there to help, and in both cases the people who reject
the Torah are wrong. We show that we are here through a miracle, to ask
you to return to your God.

They made the wrong conclusion, thinking heaven agreed with their
Zionist State and state of lawlessness. Israel was heavily punished in
the holocaust, and now you are being mended so you can think and decide
what to do. If you where just giving miracles in war forever, it seems
you will not return to the truth, but rather you see it as a license to
keep breaking the law, as an agreement from heaven that your schisms and confusion are fine, accepted, helped. With such thoughts, how will you
return to the Torah, when will you distribute the land and keep the
Jubilee, when will you outlaw the prozbul and admit it was a lie ?

Hence there does not seem to be any other future, from a perspective of
heaven to get you back to the Torah to at least such an extend you will distribute the land to all and stop serving the super rich, than to
commit to punishment. Do you know another way ? Probably not either. We
see how the days are wasted, when people could use their heads on
important topics, but they don't. When the wars get worse, people will
only be more distracted. If you win by miracles, you feel vindicated in
what you where already doing, like an approval, and if you win not by
miracles but by your own strength, you will draw the same conclusion,
you feel vindicated ni what you where already doing, like an approval.

If you loose, you might start thinking of what went wrong, what you have
done wrong. There is plenty going wrong, plenty to think about, and
punishment seems the only way you will start being serious with it.

You should contrast this punishment with the complete wiping out of
humanity and returning it to the Stone Age, if you thought that you
where without help. This punishment is still helping you. If people keep
going this way, with their wars and Tyrannies, it does not look good at
all. It may put itself back in the Stone Age, or wipe itself out, or
create a high technological dystopian nightmare existance. That would be
the ultimate punishment. Even 1 in 20 Jews surviving the next round of punishment, but afterwards a Redemption and life returning, it would
compared to the ultimate result of what could happen be a minor setback,
a price worth paying, a correction sorely needed or worse was to come.

Think of it that way, it might help when it comes down. You broke with
your Torah, so your God broke with you as he said he should. He had to
do that, because humans need to learn how to live, and if they don't,
they may all need to be destroyed for the hell they create. Well, that's
just how I see it, feel free to think different. We shall see what
happens ...

*

Also check dani18.com, who seem to say (if I recall, but google
translate is pretty troublesome sometimes) that Russia will attack the
Zionist state, and that your phones will become useless hunks of plastic
- which seems it could be an Electro Magnetic Pulse attack also. That is
(FWIK) a high altitude nuclear burst, taking out all electronics due to
the power surches it creates in metal (FWIK) Tel Aviv would also be
under the rockets, and not small ones.

You see, this war in Gaza is still nothing compared to what seems to be
coming. We have completely sick and evil ruling clasess, who want to
thin the entire global population, and have the means to do it.

You have been warned and shown a way out. If you want to keep tarrying
with the truth, so be it, the consequeces are for you. Try to learn
something, I hope. You serve the rich with your prozbul, and now they
come around and want to kill most of you. You betrayed and you where
betrayed, it can be called Justice I guess.

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title: Full version: Another year and Moshiach isn’t here…
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HiM4UZ-RLY&t=106s
source: Israel Torah

Someone wrote:

Even during 1940 moshiach didnt come

Reply: ...

Well, I wrote a lot of the usual, but seem to have failed to copy/paste
it fast enough, and now youtube (Google) is even hiding my own reply
from me.

It doesn't really matter though, if the sencorship becomes even more
extreme soon, or if they will disable the entire Internet and mop up the
few remaining places of free expression because the masses can only
focus on what everyone else is focussing on (the fraudulent mass media,
owned by the Plutocracy). It doesn't really matter, because people made
their choice for the lies already.

There has been enough time of free speech and debate, to see that if there
was a large enough amount of people capable and willing to be honest
and care for the truth, something should have happened by now. Nothing happened, the lies keep going strong, and this is simply because the vast (vast) majority does not care about anything regarding serious topics
of the system, of politics, etc.

If it takes this long to admit the truth, such a people cannot live in a society based on equality and talking to each other. They are either too
evil, or too stupid, or both, and that will destroy everything sooner or
later. Dictatorship is also not an option, although it at least causes
people to learn discipline. The discipline to listen that is, and the
skills to deal with logic to a sufficient degree, like ...

Do not pay debt with more debt, because that is an escalating amount
of debt which eventually leads to your complete bankruptcy (assuming
debt is on interest, which it typically is).

They can already not deal with this, and that is on the top level of
society. They cannot deal with a statement like this (see the National
debt, which is exactly: paying debt with more debt, and which proves
this society is insane, or has insanity at its core). How can you have a society with this kind of people ? The answer is: only temporarily.
Temporarily until the madness breaks out again, in whatever form:
Tyranny, war, hysteria, economic collapse, etc.

*

Anyway, the gist of my reply above was: don't blame the moshiach, blame yourselves (etc. etc.). The "onus" is put on the moshiach, rather than
on Israel following the Torah, or refusing to. I am wondering if this is
going to be a new movement within Israel, especially after the second
holocaust (7 times worse) has happened, and they realize that there is
no 'moshiach' to save them, because they do not want to do truth and
justice. They cannot be saved, because they are themselves the
destroyers.

How do you save pyromaniacs from their own fire ? You can do it for a
while maybe, watch them closely, but eventually things must return to
their own nature, their own will. You cannot watch people 100% of the
time, into infinity, forever. That itself would be a bad thing, a
dictatorship or worse. You can save the pyromaniacs, if you can teach
them that fire hurts. You let them set fire, and you let them get hurt
by it. Maybe they learn, maybe they will learn later. Once they learned,
they can be saved: they are not pyromaniacs anymore, they do not set
everyhing on fire anymore.

This is how it is with Israel. They are pyromaniacs of sorts, who set
injustice in their own society. This is not about a comparison with the gentiles, who are worse. This is about the stability of that society, regardless of what is outside of it - be that masses of gentiles, or
nothing but wilderness and no humans.

There is basically two levels of fraud with the prosbul:
1. Breaking the law of the 7th year debt forgiveness.
2. Pretending that this law breaking is not law breaking.

I don't know which is worse, but the first one could be called a crime
of greed, of menace to your own people (the poor), while the second can
be called a crime of lying, of deception, of creating ideological
confusion, chaos in the head. The first crime hurts the poor directly:
their loans are no longer cancelled (spare me the babble that at least
now they get loans, to give loans is already an obligation which can and
should be enforced where necessary). The second crime hurts the good,
the moral (the Tzadikim, the Jewish people might perhaps say, although I
can't believe anyone can be called by this name while holding to the
prosbul as real). If it doesn't hurt the Tzadikim by definition, because
they would see through the lie immideately, then it could still hurt
less developed people who want to be good. They may get confused and
their lives of becoming better may to a degree be derailed. They think
they do the Torah, they want to do the Torah, they even want to
sacrifice for the Torah including money, but they get derailed by the
Rabbis who tell them this lie. They then conduct this lie as part of
their lives (they conduct a prosbul, in such a manner that the loan is
going to be repaid past the 7 year), and then unwittingly they become
part of this Rabbinical system of crime.

THis is a form of pyromania, so to say. It sets fires against the peace.
They do it themselves, and therefore it becomes meaningless to put such
people into a nice spot, as they will burn it down themselves. It is
better that they live within the burned out ruins of what has been
burned before, to learn about the pain and suffering caused by
pyromania, until they stop wanting to set such fires (fires to burn down
people their houses and such, is what I mean; this is all about the face
value meaning). There is where the Jewish people are living: a world so
insane they have put paying debt with debt at the core of their society,
and the debt will not be cancelled. The Jewish people are exactly where
they need to be, given their level of law breaking.

HKB'H has put them exactly where they need to be. See the perfection.
It will be *wrong* for any 'moshiach' to help Israel get out of this
problem, and put them for example in Paradice, in the Geulah
(Redemption), until they give up on their law breaking and their
(feigned?) ignorance about it.

You give the pyromaniac to live in the slums, where burning things down
is not even that bad, until they learn. When they finally give up on
wanting to burn things down, you can give them a lovely cottage with a
straw roof next to a beautiful clear stream in the woods or in a cute
village or town. Then they can live there, and will not themselves
destroy it.

You can argue: ok, but if you put them in a nice spot, and they ruin it themselves, *then* they have something serious to cry about. Maybe then
they will finally realize the cost of such lies as the prosbul, of
seeking rent on loans from your friends, of not giving people the right
to land, all and forever, etc. Good point ! Exactly that has already
been done: HKB'H took them out of Egypt, and gave them a nice place.
They ruined it themselves, and now they have something to cry about.
Only now they can really appreciate the difference, especially when
things get worse and worse, such as a Nazi holocaust. It increases the preassure on learning, so to speak.

In other words: it has already all been done, it does not have to be
repeated.

The waiting is on Israel, the whole world is waiting on Israel to redeem themselves. Meanwhile, the natural concesquences of all this ill
conceived law and behavior will take their effects (together with all
the good that is being done.) Israel is tarrying again, as usual, and as
it was in the beginning. I can understand a lot of that (to be honest),
but what I do not understand is the lies on the official top level of
society, where things like the prosbul dare to show themselves in print,
can be discussed widely and on the highest level of that society, yet
remain or become accepted as good and true.

If someone doesn't make a loan they should have, or doesn't cancel a loan
they should have, all of that is just how life goes, and sometimes
punishment will have to be effectuated (law enforcement). I can also
understand how law enforcement can become corrupted at times and places,
or event entire Nations or worse. I can also understand it if a people
fall under a Tyrant, enforced by a blood thirsty army with no way out,
that they will just have to go with whatever the crazies of power are
telling them, because otherwise it is dungeons and death for them.

What I cannot comprehend is how the Jewish people have nothing to fear
right now and at many times in the past it was the same, and they have
been spread out so much in so many small pockets, yet they still accept
an obvious lie like the prosbul on the highest level of their society,
with a straight face as if they are serious - they seem to be serious !
(what a joke). Moreover, the Islam is against their rent seeking as
well, and so in many cases is the idolatry religion of the Roman Empire,
and even the Communists hate the bankers the most. There seems to be a
lot of pressure on the Jewish people exactly in the right direction.
They are not forced by a tyrant, as far as I can see, to force the
prosbul down their throat, or the heter iska, at least not since the
corrupt 2nd Temple was destroyed (which in this view, you could see as a liberation, liberation from a power core which had turned *against* the
Torah, so that you can return to the Torah again, without fear).

This is exactly what I am asking: to stop lying about the ideal. To what
degree and how the 7th year debt cancellation needs to be enforced is a
whole other topic, and also important. However first things first, and
most importantly: the ideal, clean and good, needs to be that what it
is, so that at least those who want to choose to follow that ideal, are
not confused. You can choose against that ideal (not be Jewish) or you
can follow it (be Jewish or follow their ways), and you don't have to
deal with the more or less oficial power in your society (now the Rabbis
to a degree ta least), who are damaging that effort (!).

It should be like so: in case the Rabbis do not have much of any real
power (which I guess is how it is in the exile, they are not official
Sovereign courts, so to say), they could at least *stimulate* good
behavior in their people, and if someone wants to make a loan to the
poor and then cancells it in the 7th year, then the Rabbi can say: very
good, that is the Torah !. Then if someone makes a prosbul on a loan and demands it back from a poor brothen after the 7th year, then the Rabbi
can say: not good, this is not the Torah ! Even if he has no other
power, at least he has that power, and thus the people who care about
the Torah can flock together and be good.

Now it goes quite differently: the Rabbi is actively involved in ruining
the Torah finance system, with this prosbul and heter iska nonsense.
Actively part of the destroyers of society. This is not about edge
cases, or difficult cases. This is about the ideal itself, which they
took down.

Therefore, I think, the 2nd Temple had to be destroyed. They where
supposed to be a center of spreading the ideal, regardless of if the
Chinese or the people in south America or near the North pole where
(yet) caring about what they where doing. They where supposed to be
there, doing good. Spreading the good within the Jewish people, also
regardless of if the Jewish people listened (completely) to that ideal.
They where supposed to spread the ideal. Once they broke that down, it
was the beginning of it being a source of destruction instead. Heaven
did the Jewish peole a favor by destroying it, because if they had not,
perhaps besides the corruptions like the prosbul, there would be 10 more
such breaches of law created by high priests straight from the 2nd
Temple, which would rage on right to today (probably most of them having
to do with making the rich more rich, and the poor more poor and
servile, which is the typical direction of corruption in a Nation: greed
and dominance, a form of violence).

The land also *has to be distributed*, which is probably more important.
The land may not be sold in perpetuity, like the gentiles do. This is a
grave mistake, and I think it is *the major* mistake which the gentiles
are making in their Nations (while the major mistake of Israel seems to
be their idolatry, in the form of calling for a King.) These are (the)
two great powers in society: the economy, and the State. They also both
need to keep each other in a balance.

For the State, the commission tasked by the people to take care of the
common good that is, it must be ruled out of the concent and agreement
of the people, and (obviously) act in their benefit (all who live there,
except bandits and criminals of course). To have a form of common
decision making by speaking to each other (voting if you will), this is
good. This is the way it naturally works, even if you task one person
with a job. This is how natural and acceptable human decision making in
groups works. You get together, you talk and decide, and/or may decide
to put certain people to a certain task, even if that task is to be
dictator. In small groups that always means the dictator can be removed
at any moment, as the whole arrangement is fairly casual. In Nations,
things take on a more severe dimension, and so ... you better beware
with asking for a dictator (King), to keep the (ultimate) power to
yourselves. This is the way of the State. It is a negotiation kind of
thing.

The economy is a trade kind of thing, production, supply, demand, agreed
sales, etc. It is an enormous field of activity, dynamic and open ended,
free. The critical aspect is that people can start offering their
product, or their service (which is really the same thing), is that they
are free. Free to start, free to stop. For this to happen, people need
their land, for free, in purpetuity.

The State then combats crime within the economy, and the economy
provides a cleansing mechanism unto the State by enduring its decisions
and having the capacity to impact the State (because the economy is also
the people, and (probably) the vast majority of them, or it should
probably be so (I think it should be so)).

A sickness in the economy is when things centralize too much: too big companies, too powerful rich (is basically what it means). A similar
sickness can happen in the State: a measure of control by people who
act against the best interest of the people, and are hard to get rid off
by that people (you could call it corruption). These two sicknesses are
one sickness: centralization of power, abuse of power. The ignorance of
the masses is a feeding ground of this sickness. It comes up when the
masses are themselves fairly ill behaved: careless, greedy, dumb,
ignorant, evil, etc.

Prosbul, heter iska and failing to keep the Jubilee on land, are how
this sickness expresses itself in Israel, together with corrupt Kings
and temple cliques, etc. Corrupt Rabbis nowadays, you could say,
although most of them hopefully just get taught wrong, and lack the
courage and honesty to stand up to it.

*

P.S.

Regarding the future: nothing seems to have changed. The path is towards
more corruption, more centralization of power, and more war, until it
all blows up into a global nuclear war (very likely, in my opinion).
We will see how (morally) dark it gets eventually. We can expect all
kinds of craziness in terms of weapons / surveilance used for both war
and Tyranny. It can especially get crazy (I think) in a few decades,
when the technology is again more jumps more sophisticated. You can get
all kinds of science fiction like scenarios, with automated robotic
systems to enforce whatever the criminals of power want, and sooner or
later it can get so wild (from todays perspective), that making a
science fiction movie about it today would be impossible because it
would just be such an insane and unbelievable scenario and world - that
things could become so bizarre (from our perspective).

So long as the criminals ultimately remain in power, remain extremely
rich that is (or so long as society allows a few people to be so
extemely rich, which is saying the same thing), the ultimate direction
is extremely worrying, not only from a peace versus war or tranquility
versus tyranny perspective, but even the sheer survival of humanity in
anything resembling its current form. The crazies of money andf power
are in power, there is not enough pressure against it, the good and wise
are far removed from taking over the initiative.

Still, with all this doom & gloom: a lot of people do small good things
in the world, and this should provide a great resistance against things
going too wrong for too long. Therefore there is great hope that in the
end, *everything will be allright* [que Bob Marley tune here]. The end
;-). lol

In conclusion then: Everything is perfect, and everything will be
allright ;-).

(Why do I even write all these rants, when nobody cares. Everything has
already been said, and there is nothing to add to it, not even if the Redemption where to happen or already happened. Everything is said
already, and even that has been said already many times.)

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Someone posted on Reddit about how the 2nd Temple was destroyed for
*baseless hatred* and that the Redemption will be brought by the love
for Jewish persons who are exceedingly good (my words). "Baseless hatred"
is, according to some historic Jewish Scholar about hating good people,
and loving bad people (paraphrazed).

I thought to react to it, because I have one bit of unfinished business,
and that is to write to Reddit in a Jewish group that they should stop
lying about the Torah. Sorry about if this sounds offensive, but the
prozbul, the heter iska, the Jubilee overthrow, this is not ordinary
confusion of interpretation anymore. This is flat out lying, and if the
common Jew who doesn't study the Torah doesn't know, that is one thing,
but anyone with any sort of half brains knows or has to know or should
have known that it is lying. Preposterous lying. This is how they put
the supposed Oral Torah above the actual Torah.

Incidentally, if the supposed Oral Torah is another name for
Jurisprudence (which seems reasonable if not entirely correct), then
this does indeed go back to Moshe Rabbeinu, as a practice that is.
Howwever, it seems that much if not all of the original Jurisprudence
was lost. Jurisprudence is nothing more than a record of verdicts by
Judges in cases. The jewish people messed up the Oral Law /
Jurisprudence badly, to make life easy for rich criminals. I can sit
here and pretend it isn't so bad, put it all in flowery words, but what
would that accomplish ? The Rabbis already do plenty of that, and it
certainly isn't the Torah style to placate and pander to the side of
error and/or evil. Sorry, I digress ...

https://new.reddit.com/r/AntiZionistJews/comments/1eqqvrw/tisha_bav_and_the_hatred_of_evildoers/

Reply:

Being hated for no reason by the people you try to help and love, is
painful. I figure the love for evil is from the monkeys and other animals,
who have a reason to fight for survival, even with each other. Many
animals do that. We however are not animals, but we are technological,
which is unique in the world. Our power is our creativity & cooperation,
which ever more outstrips any possible benefit of selecting and admiring
people of violence (not quite the same thing as "evil", but it can be increasingly close). The more technological people become, the more this
is true. Thus we see a movement within humanity, away from the animal,
and toward a peace - or toward a complete self destruction if the humans
do not change themselves in time.

I thought of this statement: "Doing good to evil, is doing evil to
good." If you help someone who is evil, you empower them, you heal them,
you support them, you make them more powerful. They use this to do more
evil, of which you would then become guilty. (Incidentally, this is the
exact opposite of the western idolatry religion from Rome; perhaps they
have their fraudulent ideology because they themselves in the top are
evil, and they are scared if they where to ever face a moral uprising.)

By the way, the Jewish people are in a big problem right now, because
they are following supposed Sages such as Rambam/Maimonides and Hillel
the Elder, who are guilty (guilty) over making laws which go directly
against the Torah. I think about that, when I read or hear from Jewish
people who promote the hatred of "heretics" or Jewish people who are
against the Torah or their God, because they themselves are doing the
same, albeit often in a more fine tuned and harder to detect way.

Hillel the Elder is guilty over creating the prozbul. It is an absurd
device, meant to support the evil who are rich in not performing their
duty in loans to the poor. The device pretends the loan does not have
to be nullified in the 7th year, by supposedly turning the loan into a
court verdict. All it accomplishes though, in reality, is that it also
makes the Court of Justice guilty over this crime. You could argue that
the crime of the Court of Justice involved in a prozbul, is greater than
merely the prozbul itself.

This act of the prozbul constitutes: doing good to evil, and thusly doing
evil to good. It is also a rejection and overthrow of the Torah. I guess
since nobody did anything about it and other betrayals of the Torah,
HKB'H himself overthrew the 2nd Temple.

Rambam / Maimonides is guilty over the heter iska. It is a complicated
device, which pretends that a loan is not a loan, and interest upon
the loan is not interest upon the loan. It has all kinds of hoola hoop
going on, to confuse the observer and even makes them think something
very special and good is going on (!). You could say that it is, in
some sense, a masterful crime, a law which prescribes a masterful way
to overthrow the Torah, while pretending to be 'holy'. It is another
instance of doing good to evil, allowing rent seeking from another Jew,
which is of course forbidden in the Torah. At the end of it all, money is
set aside with someone else, with the goal to gain more out of it later
(the original sum plus profit).

Rambam / Maimonides and Hillel the Elder are likely together guilty
over overthrowing the Jubilee, together with most if not all Rabbis
of Israel. They pretend that "to proclaim the Jubilee to all in the
land" means that the Jubilee is only held if all of Israel is in the
land, even by tribe (!). This is absurd, and deserves even no further attention. Absolutely abhorrent behavior by the Rabbis of Israel. What was
that about hatred against those who break with the Torah ? Oh, ... well,
that would then be all of Israel at this point ? You see how problematic
this all is ?

Incidentally, I propose you do this [market.socialism.nl] in your Eretz Yisroel, but if you don't like it, then don't. Only do what you like
and understand.

However, you have to do better than Rabbinical Judaism, or correct the
above listed problems. There are even more big huge enormous problems,
the issue of the Shabbos being broken by the Rabbis as well, because they created a fake moment for the day to change. This facilitates working
on the evening of the 7th day, which they pretend comes before the night
sleep on the 6th day. Again, this is simply absurd.

This is what they took away from the Torah, but they also added a lot
to the Torah, which is not there. They added double kitchens, very overt rituals about praying with belts and boxes tied to your head - although
in this case, it's just a very literal reading of the Torah. That you
couldn't even throw a light switch on Shabbath even though that has
nothing to do with hard work anymore. )lighting a fire used to be very
hard work, try rubbing sticks together and you'll know it was probably
going to be the hardest thing you did all week, if you even succeed. Try
it, Rabbis of Israel, and then you will know why it was stated in the
rules of the Shabbos in the Torah ?

Can Israel deal with a rebuke like this ? Absolutely not, or at least
not so far. I now try this group "anti-zionist". Will this be deleted
without a word, as usual ? Will there be anger ? Will there even be a
good ol' Jewish response, with some interest in the topic and a witty
remark to both ends, a talk on the Torah and the truth as it is supposed
to be ? I hope so, but even in those exceedingly rare cases (really,
didn't basically ever happen), nothing gets done. This isn't really a
debate for debate sake. This is about returning to the truth, creating
the peace, preventing humanity from turning into a high technological
monster, worse than any animal ever alive. Humanity already became worse
than the animals. What animal can torture another, and why would they
even do that ? They hurt each other, but humans take it so much further,
and for no reason. This has to stop. The evil has to stop. Stop loving
the rich merely because they have money, stop supporting evil but return
to the highest standard of morality on Earth:

THE TORAH OF MOSHE RABBEINU - greatest hero to ever live on Earth,
likely the one and greatest act of HKB'H ever on Earth, for any people,
so that if Israel does the truth, all of humanity could be corrected by
it eventually. (sigh)

I also like to warn you: if you don't return to the Torah, which you
haven't done for thousands of years, the punishment cycles - 7 times
worse every time - will likely return. Last time was the Nazis, next time
will have to be 7 times worse. It is Game Over time for humanity. Crazy
evil behavior is not possible with nukes everywhere, and all the other
weapons being created.

End of reply.

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Your comment was removed because it broke rule: No Proselytizing

End quote message. This is a rule they have, which I'll admit I did not
read before posting. I did merely react to the posting, and since they
promoted the so-called "Sages" (which usually includes the traitors
Rambam and Hillel, but there are likely many many other traitors under
this title), I just thought to react to the content given.

Rule of that subreddit:

No Proselytizing

This is a Jewish focused sub. Do not promote other religions or
discuss foreign theologies

End quote. I guess I was adding a link to my own website. Is that wrong
these days ? I read the removal notice in such a way, that they think
that the Torah is a foreign religion and ideology, because they are now Rambamites. They don't follow the Torah, they follow Rambam and his
treasons, which is certainly loosely based on the Torah, yet different
from it. It is a bit similar to the much hated religion from Rome
(Yoshke the Bastard). I found it un-Jewish to not even bother a reply,
but maybe they where offended by me saying the truth about the lying of
Israel about their own Torah (see above).

Well, I guess my plan to stop talking lasted not long (as usual), but I
wanted at least to give it an all out effort on Reddit. I assumed that I
was going to be banned for telling the truth on Reddit, which is why I
didn't even bother with the main Jewish subreddits. On the main supposed
Jewish subreddits, they are promoting gender madness and 'laying with a
man as with a woman' as well as all manner of lawlessness. I expect to
be instantly banned and possibly they could succeed in destroying my
Reddit account itself, if I told them the truth about the Torah. It
seemed to me to be better to keep the power to still post there for
later, when after the next round of punishment in which likely 95% to
99% of the Jewish people will die they might have changed their tune a
little bit, possibly because most of them would not have survived.

I have to say that I increasingly start to dislike the Jewish people as
a Nation. The lying about the Torah, the pretending not to hear an
argument, the ham fisted blocking, deleting, and a more general lack of kindness with many (but certainly not all) of them, it does get to me a
little bit on a personal level even. I realize many Jewish people are delightful individuals, but it is sad in what a mess they are sitting.
You see that I try to be forgiving, but I already decided I will never
join a hard necked Nation like Israel, no matter how succesful they
might later become, and I am thinking of treating Israel with the same
cold shoulder as they treat me. I needed their help sort of, the way
they seem to need my help (because they are so stuck on their LIES to
the point they seem to think their LIES are the best thing they ever
had; their faker Rambam is the best thing they ever had - what a joke).
So, why shouldn't I then treat you to the same, when you start screaming
more and more, as you get destroyed in the second holocaust. Screaming
for help, mourning and asking Hashem "what have we done wrong?!", I can
already see the youtube videos and maybe later even entire books and
newspaper headlines by such titles and the like. It will also be
non-stop 'moshiach moshiach where are you'. This is them, calling out
for another King Sjaul, at least until they repent from their Rambam and
their Hillel. Will that ever happen ? It seems doubtful.

I wonder if the behavior of Israel is going to mean that humanity in
general is going to be cut back in technology drastically during the
Redemption process, because the Jewish people cannot be trusted. They
cannot be trusted with the power, they have more to proof themselves apparently. If they change under extreme pressure, that doesn't
necessarily proof enough. If you have it good, and you still turn to the
Torah, now you become exceedingly trustworthy. If you only do the Torah
when you are close to being murdered and you seek the help from heaven,
then you will quite possibly run again with the decadence and the
destroyers once your life has been saved.

As the 'autists' (dani18 com) put it: now we don't just have to die for
the Torah, we have to *live* for the Torah. You have to want the Torah,
even when everything is fine and everything is good, seemingly one way
or the other.

The point then becomes: if you do Teshuvah because of the second
holocaust, it doesn't really proof you as being loyal. It only proofs
that you become loyal when you stare death in the face, or after extreme
trauma to your family, friends, yourself. You have to be tested again
after this, and if you fail you need another round of punishment.
Effectively, time would have to rewind in a technological sense, to make
that possible ? I don't know, maybe not, but it is a thought. With the
lesser trust, it makes sense to deny humanity much of their current
technology, until they prove themselves as they should have already done
now.

From the side of the gentiles it is the same, but worse. How can a very
small but finally loyal Israel, shortly after massive trauma 7 times
worse than the Nazis, change a complete globe of humans who have extreme technology at their disposal ? What are the gentiles going to do with
all this power ? Are they just deciding to listen to the holy Nation, to
take that example ? With all the toys and decadence that it can bring ?
Back in the day when things where simpler, and Revolutions where also
somewhat more straightforward, and land was still widely used by people
working in one person efforts, many things where easier to understand.
When there was another big Tyranny and then a Revolution, those people
would look for inspiration all around where they can. How does that work
when we have a level of technology in the world which is so off the
charts in all of history ? Does the technology make it easier, or
harder, to choose Justice and civilization ? What will the weapons be
like, what will the Tyranny be like ? I don't know the answers to this,
but it seems possible that everything will be cut down again to a
simpler level, to facilitate further testing of humanity, including
Israel, and another chance for Israel (and even other Nations who are
willing to be good or partially good) to spread the truth and how to
live.

If some of these major catastrophies are to happen, which dani18 com
talked about, it seems possible that technology will end up cut down, at
least for a while.

You have yourselves to thank for all this mess, Israel. When help and
answers where given to you, you did your best not to notice. How can you
be surprised if your God ignores you, the way you ignore the obvious
truth ? I think I should also ignore you, and was wondering if it should
be a good additional punishment if - if my system is supposed to be the Redemption (yeah I know, that's a long shot, but if ...) that you will
never meet me, never know me. That I will die, and you will never even
have had the chance to say hello to me personally. If my proposal is the Redemption, that would be a nice reward for your worship of phony Sages, something to remember for the future. You don't just ruin the Redemption
for yourself, but if my proposal is it (yes I know ... a long shot in
your opinion, but who knows I think it is definitely a possibility), you
also ruin it for me personally.

Then again, I don't want to die, of course. Maybe I can watch you do it
fom a distance, since I do not want to know you anymore. I'm not against
you, mind you. It is just upsetting to see the hate coming from you, the coldness, the mindlessness, the being without any care whatsoever for
the truth, and the way you just ruin the Torah and all the greatness in
it. It is painful to see you create this mess, although you are
yourselves the main victims of your own lies. I guess it is a bit petty,
but: like you don't want to know me, how can I still want to know you in
return ? After trying so hard for so long, and stepping on it with
maximum speed when I was still working on things seriously (not
necessarily for ISrale but I was non stop in thsi mode like 'any moment
any moment this can become widely known and become active, I need to
make it ready now, ready now, more quick fast hurry hurry ...' it was
non stop like that, for more than 10 years. Not so easy work, either, especially the computer programming.

It is like being in a formular 1 car race, zapping around the corners as
if it is a life or death situation. It felt that way. Then you get more
and more ready ... and you start to alert Israel not even about this
whole effort, but about THEIR VERY OWN Torah and how they have ruined it
for themselves ... and it is like talking to a rock. It is like talking
to a wall, not even a snail because a snail still moves (and if you also
have a garden, you know they are moving faster than you would like!). No
not even a snail, complete standstill, not even a sign of life. It is
like you where tasked with building something, a car a ship whatever, a
bike, and you where to make the wheels but it was super urgent so you
don't even sleep anymore. You work day in day out and every night, just
napping here and there to survive, and you race to the spot for the
assembly with the ready made wheels ... and when you get there you hear
that the team which does the frame, they didn't even bother to pick up
their mail yet to read what they where supposed to do, and the team
which was supposed to do the "group set" (drive train components), they
made a lame initial scetch and then worked on another project, then took
a vacation and left a message that maybe in a few weeks they would think
about what materials could be used, and the team which was supposed to
work out the team clothing for the bike team, they send the order back
because they didn't feel like doing it and no other clothing company had
even been searched for at all by the people doing the project from the
top. But no, you had to work your ass off and suffer, and then there you
stand with some wheels, nobody showing up for anything and you get told:
just put them in the corner over there, who knows if someone will look
at it later.

That's Israel, in the age of high technological weapons, and a whole
line of Fascists has been readied to take over the political sphere of
the global Empire which is falling into decadence and disrepair as we
speak.

Well, thanks for nothing I guess, Isreal. Thanks for nothing.

Oh ... but not so fast (heh). At least Israel still has the Torah, in
written form. Thanks for nothing *at this point* yes, but there is still
hope, if not a heavenly promise, that they will eventually do Teshuvah
and perform the job they where sworn to do on pain of death - on pain
of near annihilation as a Nation. It will very possibly be thanks to
them that eventually eventually, something is still going to happen,
which fixes everything. I sure do notice how the gentiles, they don't
care just as hard as Israel doesn't care, if not worse. They will quite possibly never do anything, although they could. Israel at least has
put another set of chances into the system, opened a small door of hope,
a door which has been opened by HKB'H himself (it seems), through Moshe Rabbeinu and the Prophets, and because Israel "dog headedly" made sure
the Torah stayed in existence to this very day, wherein these things are recorded for everyone to read. It is as easy as ever, maybe more easy,
to overthrow liars like Hillel and Rambam and the Rabbis who promote
those lies.

Therefore it is both, "thanks for nothing, Israel" for now, but it may
well turn in the end, to "thanks for everything, Israel" - without you,
it wouldn't have worked. We shall see. Israel is making this harder &
harder on themselves. At least I tried to do all I can, so you cannot
blame me for it anymore. You can not blame me, for YOUR tarrying.
Neithre can you blame your God, if you had the audacity to think about
doing that. It's all your own choices. You have only one enemy, Israel,
and that is you yourselves.

I called you to come back to the truth, you did not reply.
When you call on someone to tell you the truth because you are being
destroyed, don't be surprised if I at least do not reply anymore.
If you call for your 'moshiach' you are asking for your King Sjaul, the
King you wanted to overthrow HKB'H. Fake all you want that you want King
David. Keep lying to yourself. If you wanted King David or who was it,
this King who re-established the Torah, you would be doing Teshuvah, you
would start caring about your Torah first.

You have destroyed your Redemption with Ease, even though you have asked
for it so many times, so many many times, it is incalculable. Good
people asked for it, and now you ruined it for yourselves. It can still
happen ? I don't believe in it anymore, but show me something and maybe
I will. You are such an enemy of yourself. I guess this is what religion
does to people, it turns their minds into pulp. They cannot think
anymore. They are idolators, lost in the worship of some authority, some
mind flop has occured with them. Emotions of idolatry have strangled the clarity of their logical mind, and a whole host of vices and the need to
fit in for fitting in sake is doing the rest. This is why a Jew can sit
there with dry eyes, listen to me call Rambam a liar and show him the
prozbul, and literally not notice the fraud but even get upset about dishonoring the liar Rambam. Simply, blind. This is why I guess Israel
is prohibited from doing idolatry, but it is a hard struggle it seems,
and they are loosing it. God this God that all day long with them. What
god, the god of your prozbul ? The god of your God forsaken land selling
in purpetuity ? All they long they go on and on about supernatural
things, while in the Earth where these laws matter, things are going
from bad to worse. God this god that, lalalalalala, what's the
difference with the Bhuddists, the western idolators ? Lalalalala goes
their mind, Lalalalalala. They think God likes hearing them like this.

Does he ? How do I know, am I a prophet or an angel ?! I don't even know
what the word 'God' or 'god' is supposed to mean. Why would I care ? I'm
not an idolator like you. I care about Justice & Peace, IN THIS WORLD.
That's where we are, didn't you notice that ? Oh my, you have a Torah, I
read it ! It's great, it's a good law for here on Earth, certainly the economics of it (which includes the Shabbos I guess), in which I try to specialize a bit, because I don't like poverty or war. Go do your law
then, go listen to this God you say you have. Is your God, God ? I guess
so, who else makes such good laws, ISrael ?! Israel makes good laws ?
I don't think so, I saw what they did and, it fails. THen listen to your
God if you are such idolators who need "authority" who can't think for themselves, then listen to your Prophets and live. But no, they cannot
do that either ! They trickle in just enough "thought" of their own, to
break it a part, and then for the rest, they pretend they cannot think
at all. What a game ! WHat a set up ! You think your God will fall for it ?

You think you will get your King Sjaul any day now, your 'moshiach' "the
one you want, rather than the one who is actually comming" (to loosely
quote the Alter Rebbe, who seemed to have said the truth), and then you
will reign supreme over Earth with your Rabbis a close in second to your
King Sjaul ? Let's put up the Sun Disk Idol on the 3rd Temple too, right ? Where is that darned thing, the Lamp of Helena ? Oh no worry, we'll just
make another ? Wait a minute, so you can innovate, you can be creative,
when it is about breaking down the Torah, how interesting. When it
comes, however, to making up a fair use of the land for all when you
pretend the JUbilee is no longer working, what do you do ? Can you be
creative in the other direction, to create "Torah" (Goodness truth and
peace) out of that which was not Torah ? Ah, in that case you end up
with the Zionist Rebel State.

Well, you also had some Kibbutz I guess, a minority of them, who did
distribute the land to all. Kibbutz Moshav ? I forgot the name. So we
see here again, I guess, that there is still a little hope left for
Israel. It isn't a total disaster, even though most of it seems to get
lost, worse and worse. As for me in any case, I cannot help you
anymore. Clearly you don't want to listen to me, so then don't. Have it
your way. I'll try to end this (for the Nth time), saying the same as
when I started somewhere in 2008 or even 2007 (don't recall): happy
dying then. I wish you happy dying, because you have overthrown your
Torah, and you think nothing of it. What more to say ? "Who does not
want to listen, will have to feel it." - Dutch saying.

Return to the Torah, and live. I hope you will all soon see your
Redemption, with ease and happiness for all, speedily in your days, and
that Hashem will wash away the tears from your face, as He has promised.
You suffered a lot, but your God apparently promised you to give you
double in the end, those who return to the truth. May they live forever, protected by the Creator himself, and eat lots of Challah and bagels
too.

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link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsUcUWaf_pk&t=159s
title: What World Event Will Trigger The Coming of The Messiah?
source: The Torah Channel

Reply again, since they seem to delete my comments entirely. Possibly
this is the channel doing it, I don't know. It might as well be them,
since they don't care whatsoever about the obvious truth. Full bore
for the lies, a celebration of lies for the fraud Hillel and the fraud
Rambam, the two great liars and destroyers of Israel. What a joke of a
people at this point. They are done for. I wonder if they will even be
allowed to do Teshuvah at this point, and avoid the coming punishment.
Probably they will be allowed if they where serious, but sadly this is
very unlikely to happen. It is the same with all criminals¹. The
chances of them returning to the "straight and narrow" are close to
zero, but in the end it still happens on a rare occasion.

Next round of punishment: 7 times worse, this is what the Torah says. Last
time was the Nazis. You did not do Teshuvah for following Hillel, so I
guess it is over for you all. If the Nazis killed a third, then 7 times
a third and now 95% will die. If the Nazis killed half, then 7 times
half and 99% dies. Such are the consequences of acting like fools, I
suppose. You had your chances, you don't want to listen to the obvious,
then all this is on your own heads and your own creation. Also, you are idolators. You wait for your idol. Being an idolator is also a death
penalty in the Torah, by the way, as is your breaking of the Shabbos with
your fake laws. I warn you for your own benefit, and also a bit my own,
because if this is what you want to be, then I know it is not so much
of a big loss when Israel almost goes out of existence entirely. I'm
sorry you are such a lawless and careless people, who let it come to this.

1. "Criminals" as in "under Torah law" which is a high standard and
nothing like even the laws of the Nation, which are laws they are
typically keeping just fine. You are already under a death penalty
for breaking the Shabbos in the Torah, and that implies that you are
a bad criminal in the view of the Torah, if you do something like
work hard to make a fire for your family on the rest day. As you see,
this is nothing like the criminal law of the Nations, it is a very
high standard, and if I call them "criminals" then I mean, as under
the Torah and not as under the laws of the Nations.

This has nothing to do with the gentiles. Stop reading this, it is
not meant for you. Deal with your own idiotic Governments and their
money printing insanity. THat's where you should focus, and stop
their evil wars. You won't, at least not as a people, and so this
will be what you are facing in terms of consequences (or "punishment"
if you want to put it that way): full scale global nuclear war. A
world for and by idiots. It won't last.

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