title: what's Moshiach?
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aAv2KBqFZ8
source: DVAR MALCHUS HILC

Comment:

If I may say something: The situation is serious now, alarming and
dangerous. If you look again into what the Jewish year should be, and
you take 430 years in Egypt (for which good arguments seem that can
be found!), we are passed the year 6,000 now, it is 6,003. This should
mean that 'moshiach' should have been found, but isn't. Meanwhile, the
world is obviously going bad quick. The Alter Rebbe is right, everyone
wants a 'moshiach' in their own image, a 'moshiach' which allows them to
hold on to power, wealth and/or standing. The Rabbis want a 'moshiach' according to their rules, and they think they will hold on to power after 'moshiach'. Seculars think that 'moshiach' is a grand military genius,
who will lead the IDF to a massive and lasting victory in war. On and on
it goes like that, right ? It makes sense, because people do something
they believe in, it may be being a Rabbi, it may be being a soldier in
the IDF, and each then creates a picture of what they would like to see
happen out of some big hero coming along.

A 'moshiach' who starts saying something like: you do this wrong, you
do that wrong, and please change asap ... nah, that won't go easy, will
it. If you read the Prophets of Israel, they where non stop at odds with
the population, constantly asking them to better their ways. That was
even when Israel was not exiled. Now Israel _is_ exiled, and therefore
probably behaving a lot worse, because why else is Israel exiled. Hence
the situation is _worse,_ more complaints should be expected from someone asking for a return to the truth, but rather it seems like the opposite is
what people want or expect: someone to validate them, give Israel power,
give their minhag power, and so on and so forth. Therefore I think:
the time for 'moshiach' to come in an easy way seems to be slipping by
fast, and perhaps this possible year 6,000 passing is a big sign here
also. You know the Torah says the Israelites where there for 430 years,
and it says it _twice._ You cannot just brush that aside.

Therefore I think, also seeing the situation in the world, that because
people want a 'moshiach' who fits _them_ as they are now as the Alter
Rebbe said, that 'moshiach' should already have been here but Israel
closed their eyes to it because they didn't want to get challenged to
come back to the truth or get serious about things. Moshiach should
already have been here because it may seriously be past the year 6000
already (and see all the machines: it is already the time of Shabbat,
hard work is going away and already gone away for a large extend). If it
is really true that it is already past 6,000, then 'moshiach' should have
been here, but Israel rejected it, and then there is on other option but
to initiate the next round of punishment against the Jewish people. The
last punishment was the Nazi holocaust. Take 7 times a third dying, and
1 in 20 survives. This then purifies and terribly damages Israel, and may
bring the 'remnant' Isaiah talked about back to the Torah. They would be
so hurt, that they no longer are looking for what suits them, but simply
want the truth, and no more lies. Once they find it, they will Redeem themselves. I think that is how things are shaking out these days ...

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https://www.hyehudi.org/the-alter-rebbe-mashiach-wont-be-a-chabadnik/

The Alter Rebbe: Mashiach Won’t Be a Chabadnik!
August 31, 2021 – כ״ג באלול תשפ״א by Hyehudi

The Lubavitcher Rebbe’s Sicha of Simchas Beis HaShoeiva 5712:

“When the Alter Rebbe went out of prison, he was inadvertently
brought to the dwelling of a ‘Veltlicher (worldly –
non-Chassidic) Jew,’ where he was delayed for three hours. After
a lengthy exchange with this Jew, the Alter Rebbe was compelled
to promise him that he would debate his philosophy with three
Veltlicher Jewish leaders.

“When the Alter Rebbe was by one of these Gedolim, the
discussion turned to the question of from what group Moshiach
would be, Chassidic or Veltlicher, and the Alter Rebbe answered
– ‘Moshiach will be a Veltlicher. Why? Because if he will be a
Chossid the Veltlicher Jews will not want to go out of exile, but
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if he will be a Veltlicher, the Chassidim, who are kabolas-olniks,
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will anyway automatically accept him, since for them the main
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thing is to go out of exile.”

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If I might add my opinion, if this is referring to what I am proposing
(yes I know that sounds insane, don't worry I know, lol): the Alter
Rebbe is right, but it perhaps a bit different in my view. He said
"Veltlicher Jews" (Worldly Jews), but I would replace that with "all the
goyim in the world, all the Veltlicher people", all the good people
regardless of their ideology / religion / creed, it really doesn't
matter. If 'moshiach' is some kind of monk or Chassid, it is automatic rejection by the populations of the world. Why did they not accept the
Torah yet ? Apparently it did not quite fit them, or a better fit could
be created.

A second reason I see: there is so much greatnes and truth in the Torah,
that if 'moshiach' gets born into that, it is difficult to make up a
program for the goyim, and one they can relate to, and in fact it may be illegal under the Torah rules to even try it, because that is adding and changing the law. It would be difficult to not be in awe of the Torah
all the time, and just leave it at that.

I realize that Torah true Jews think the Torah is everything, and it
basically is, but that doesn't mean the Torah as it is written in the Pentateuch is the only form the truth can or even should take. You notice
how it has not convinced the goyim, and you notice how it not even has convinced the Jewish people, and it has not even convinced the Rabbis
(!!!) with their prosbul and other games, even though it is the truth
and you should urgently do it (or at least the topics I care a lot about: everything to do with the economy). The Torah is also quite weak on the
area of the State, thanks to Israel asking for a King, and being so unruly
that they may actually need one (if we go by what the Prophets have said,
that Hashem will give you a King also in the end).

Thirdly, the Jewish people have already been redeemed. That you have
ruined it for yourself, is your problem, and you are and will be
punished for it. You already have your Moshe Rabbeinu. You can get out
of exile in a snap: just stop lying ! Prosbul is a lie, stop lying.
Messing with the Shabbos is a lie, just stop lying. Heter iska is a lie,
just stop lying. Not distributing the holy land and keeping the Jubilee
is a fraud, just stop lying. It is obvious enough what you need to do on
such big topics (and big they are, especially the Jubilee on land).
Smaller topics like your Temple, this will probably sort itself if you
take care of the difficult parts (which needless to say includes family
law and no western modern craziness).

It basically is a Redemption for the goyim, is at least the way I see
it. Why is Israel again the target for it (I seems to do little else but
try to get through to the Jewish people) ? Because the goyim are
amazingly confused, and you are smarter than them, and above all, you
are the only ones who ever distributed the land to all on such a major
scale, and you kept strict laws about it and you still have these laws
as laws on your books. You already know how to do it, you did it before.
There is very little in the way of this in the rest of the world. There
are native Indians who know the truth on these issues also, it seems,
and I think they are probably wiser than you, they understand, however
while many of you may not even understand, you have *done* on an epic
scale. While the indians are fading, you are still here, and you are
also the most moral people on Earth. You are the best people, you are
the chosen people, and you messed up your Torah. You need to get back
it, give the example to the goyim, and they may follow your lead.

Notice further the state of humanity: monkeys with nukes. This cannot go
on. The whole world needs to go to 'peace mode' so to say. Nukes are
just one issue, there is also nano weapons and robotic weapons, and
there are all the horrific things technology can do if it gets abused.
We are at a time when the project of "Israel doing the Torah" should
have reached it's end, in that the entire world has learned and wants to
be good and is on your side (I don't mean the Zionist State, I mean the
Torah). This has clearly failed, and I don't see the Torah suddenly
becoming popular with the goyim any time soon, even though it should.

Also, can we just quit focussing on a single person, what matters is the
truth, and how to live. The sooner we can get past this personality
problem, the better.

How do you think an economy should work ?

Do you think it is important ? (lol, I guess that is a rethorical
question.)

Anyway ... things are still stuck as ever. I think it starts to look
that it is also a matter of Israel being incompetent at this point, so incompetent on a population level, that if they where to do the
Redemption or even their own Torah, it would not go smoothly. Could that
be true ? I wonder about that, if this is a deeper reason behind things
not moving forward as they should. If there is so much confusion and
madness in Israel that having the Redemption break out will do little
more than add more confusion, more schisms more screaming, perhaps even fighting ? If there are a large amount of people within Israel who fundamentally oppose something good, how do you deal with that ? You can
just never convince them, even if you try for centuries. Eventually you
are forced to eventually split away from them, declare some Sovereignty in
a smaller area. These are not easy things to do, although not impossible.
These would, incidentally, not be unforeseen circumstances in the
program as I propose it. They will make it all a lot more difficult in practice.

If it was my choice: today, regardless. Just move ahead, doing good.
That is the only way humans should behave, to do good and be good
(obviously). If we can't win, okay we keep trying. If 10 people can be assembled on a good program, rather than 10 Million, that's fine. Start
small is just fine. If not 10, maybe 5, if not 5 maybe 2.

If you don't know my program, you might think this is about followers ?
Big mistake, completely wrong. This is about constituting organizations
from the ground up, under their own power and discretion, and that is
the whole point of it. To do what ? To organize a State and economy in a
way so that everyone has as much power as possible, so we won't be
slaves. Again the exact opposite of the likely assumption of someone
without any idea what it is about.

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