link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcYljMZ0ARA
source: Tovia Singer
title: Shocker! Former Muslim Tries to Convert Rabbi Tovia Singer to Christianity at the Kotel!

Someone wrote a comment that the Rabbi was rude and the idolator was all
nice, and apparently therefore Jesus is good.

Reply...

@[...] Hello. It was some time ago, so I skipped through the video
to get an idea again. We should also keep in mind that the video is
a clip of a longer event. I saw Singer talk normally, but he did cut
off the idolator quite a few times. I don't know if that was a problem,
but maybe it would have been even better not to do that. I do not share
your accusations against the Rabbi, but found it quite forgiving that
the Rabbi even bothered to talk to the idolator at length, even though
there was probably no logical mind at all on the other end to even
understand a word that was being said. This is typical for idolators.

The Rabbi brought up, for example, that 'moshiach' must have a human
father as per the Torah. A father which is a god is well known from
the idolatry religions all throughout the past. For example, the Roman
Emperor officially declared (the Senate) that Emperor Titus had been
a god, and therefore his son had the title *Son of a god", which meant
he could rule by divine decree (etc). This is where the Jesus idolators
get their ideas from: Roman idolatry and crazy mythologies, reworked by
a later Emperor (see _Ceasar's Messiah,_ on youtube). The whole thing
is quite chaotic and crazy. It takes too long to explain it in detail
here. Jesus was originally part of Roman propaganda, a fake prophet who
existed only in writing, and who supposedly said that Titus would come
to be the king of the Jewish people (messiah).

Idolators, in my experience, have absolutely ZERO interest in reality,
history or logic, so _nothing_ anyone can say will impact them. They
are purely and exclusively driven by their impressions and probably
mostly by their overwhelming desire to fit in with their surroundings and primarily engage in the many parties around whatever fable gets impressed
upon them. It is an excuse to socialize and have a party, and anything
that goes against that goal is nothing more that spoiling the party
resulting in a negative _emotional_ response. Not a logical response,
but an _emotional_ response, because _logic and truth_ is irrelevant or
even anti-thetical and basically evil in the eyes of the idolators. Only through "belief" and the belief is irrational. I think that there is
possibly a deeper reason for the absurd behavior of the idolators,
but that is only a theory. For them this is about clan loyalty, tribal _identity._ They have to swear themselves loyal to _whatever_ the powers
that be in that area say, and wear those colors, believe those stories,
as that will proof they are part of that group, and deserve to live there rather then be banished and die. It is possibly some ancient instincts
playing out. It would at least explain why the idolators have no interest
in the truth, and are so emotional about everything. For them it is about survival: "I must believe what my clan believes, or I will be banished
and die." It is a life and death situation, and even though those are
gone to a degree (are they really?! I doubt it ...), it just keeps going.

As far as I know, there is only one reference in the Tanach about gods
having human children, and this is about the episode of where some
sort of _men of reknown_ are born, who where bad people (if I recall,
please correct me if I am wrong, Genesis 6:4). The only reference,
is a bad reference, to being a _son of a god._ I found it interesting
that the Jesus people also have their idol being born with a non-human supposedly godly father.

Having said all that: the Jewish people seem to have fallen into the
same trap. Hillel the Elder was one of the last rulers of the Sanhedrin
(Jewish high court). He destroyed Torah law, right from the highest power
(he issued the cursed _prosbul,_ which pretends to allow Jewish people to
avoid nullifying the loans to the poor in the 7th year). What was said
about Hillel ? He was so nice, he was so friendly. Yet it was he who
may have tipped the scale in the destruction of the 2nd Temple, broke
down the Torah from the highest court, and thereby made it necessary
for the Jewish people to loose their Temple and go into exile. This in
order to break this corrupt central power, and give the Torah a chance
to survive in the exile.

Then we have this Jesus idolatry coming about, after apparently a period
where Jesus is just the fake prophet (who never existed) and Titus
claims the title "moshiach" based on that (Titus, the Roman Emperor,
after conquering Israel). Later the Emperor Constantine (IIRC) then
reworked the books, after the usual ideological chaos in the Roman
Emperor apparently demanded a new creed to be issued to hold it all
together. Now suddenly Jesus became the "messiah", even though you
can still see in the Jesus books that this does not work at all. Jesus
still is described as a prophet, talking about the messiah coming later
(which was Titus, which they knew since they just wrote down the fake
prophet Jesus after the fact and back dated it, and then just killed
everyone who didn't submit to the absurd story in good old Tyrannical
Roman style I guess). The interesting part is that Jesus was described
more or less like Hillel the Elder: he was so friendly, so nice ...

Like the snake in the garden of Eden ... just trying to help, such
a friendly voice ... They fell for the trap, and lived in misery and
pain, never returning to their true happiness. This is what you get
for your idolatry and mindlessness. You fall for the overly friendly
voice, who is selling you lies, pain and death, in the name of love
and kindness. Doesn't the Pope seem to be a friendly person ? Yet he
is at the head of one of the biggest organized crime groups on Earth,
which is the Catholic Church.

Hillel the Elder was a liar. Jesus was a liar. Titus was a liar,
etc. However it will all be useless talk, because idolators do not care
for the truth, and unfortunately the Jewish people also stopped caring
to an extend. They keep following the liar Hillel, which is why they
may be confronted with this Jesus idolatry all the time, as a form of
heavenly punishment. They get subjected to Hillel in a different form,
so that they might know. Sadly, they never do, because I guess the need
to _fit in_ and go along with the Rabbis is also overwhelming their
logical abilities and need for the truth.

This is how you are all going to go down together, and how you
will destroy much of this world with your evil and insane wars
and carelessness, and all that in the name of being good (!). The
Jewish people need to stop with _their_ lies about Hillel the Elder,
overthrow the prosbul, overthrow the _heter iska_ (Hillel the Elder and Rambam/Maimonides), re-instate the Jubilee on land, and live good in
all ways in the holy land. The idolators in the rest of the world then
have something to think about, and perhaps they will finally find the
courage to care about the truth.

While it is good to be humble and kind, as you write, it should not
become a cloak to hide and sell lies, injustice, stupidity and death. I
guess we need both: humility and truth, kindness and Justice. You may
have been attracted to the good parts in the Tanach, but then failed
to realize the lies both on the side of the Jesus idolators, _and_ the
frauds on the side of the Rabbis (prosbul, Hillel the Elder, failure to
keep the Jubilee on land). The lies of the idolators are so staggering
though ... how _can_ they think they care about anything in the Torah,
and it is clear you need to divide the land to all, but they _never did
it._ Why ?!!!! WHYYYYYYYYY.

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