• Israel, hard necked, refuses the truth, chooses death.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 11:15:13 2024
    title: BEN SHAPIRO AND HIS DANGEROUS FRIENDS
    source: Rabbi Yaron Reuv
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqxkbV2dcUo

    Comment. It first posted, then was deleted for unknown reason and by
    an unknown actor. The video in question mentioned that the Rabbi felt
    forced to speak out against people who distort the Torah (of which he
    is one, but they can't believe that of course), and so following the
    same logic I was morally pressured to do the same. Then it got
    deleted. You realize how it is demotivating to be treated with this
    cold shoulder, already since 2008 ?

    You make a big mistake if you read what I write, and you think it is
    the loose and chaotic ramblings of a fool, becaues you project your
    own shallowness and mental chaos. By teh time I have argued the
    whole thing out to the last details, I could have written 50 pages,
    and evidently nobody is going to sit through that because ... they
    don't even care. So I keep it shorter. It takes a fool, a child,
    to accept something like the prozbul as authentic. Nobody can take it
    serious. I press you on it, letting you know it's been noted, and you
    just flat out pretend it's fine by neglecting a correction. You don't
    have to say why, we all know it is a lie, there is no why.

    There is merely stupidity, an ill will, a rejection of the truth, of
    HKB'H, of your job, and that's it. You want cars and pizzas, not Peace
    and truth. You want parties, alcohol and idolatry, above your land,
    freedom and tranquility. You choose the thrill of war, the fight, over
    the calm of the safety which the Torah would bring you. I understand,
    and it might even be good for you not to answer me, because you would
    become guilty of more lies and explicit lies. Nevertheless, it is still
    cold and careless, dumb and a betrayal, for you to not acknowledge the
    truth, to misdirect your children away from the Torah and HKB'H, to be
    disloyal, and set yourself up for another punishment, 7 times worse than
    the last time. Why so bad this time ? Look around, the world as it was
    is over. An assault on a city isn't about a few scorched beam, and
    blood flowing into the soil, it can be a number of nuclear bombs which
    kill everything in the area, down to the microbes, and leave the site
    uninabitable for decades or more.

    You think because of your confusion and the current moment, that you
    are on top, but the lies never stay on top in the end. You think you
    can ignore my pleas, but what seems to be powerless today to you, it
    will in the end overwhelm you and dominate your mind. If you care(d)
    for the truth, it will be a sense of victory: finally the truth has
    won, you have won, we have won against the criminals. If you do not
    care for the truth, you may be left with shame and disgrace about your
    past behavior.

    When you are hunted down and massacred by the gentiles in numbers you
    don't believe are possible, put on trains to death camps all over again,
    mercilessly assaulted in the Zionist Rebel State and cut down by wild
    people without mercy (may heaven prevent it if it is not necessary to
    have it occur for you to come back to the truth), and you can't seem
    to get any help, then think of what I wrote here, and your cold
    shoulder and your complete disinterest in the truth. When I needed
    your help, your help to help you that is (!), you didn't come, you
    didn't care, you looked the other way. If you had cared, it could have
    saved you, even save the gentiles as well, or many of them. You didn't
    care, and then end up under people who don't care either. o

    Why would I continue to try with a people like you ? You laugh to
    yourself "hahaha, who does he think he is" ? This is our problem
    exactly: idolatry. You look to the person. START CARING FOR THE TRUTH
    FOR ONCE, IDOLATROUS ISRAEL. What are you doing in 770 HQ Chabad, what
    is happening there ? I saw the video, it made me cry (literally, it
    made me cry). How can this mess be Redeemed ? It is absolutely
    forbidden to idolize the Rebbe that way, and also the actual
    'moshiach' absolutely forbidden. Only HKB'H gets the honor of being
    bowed to.

    We humans, we are just humans, not that different from one another. Did
    Moshe Rabbeinu bow to the Pharao ? Moshe Rabbeinu killed the guards
    of the Pharao, when he saw an injustice. That's a man ! Wow. Yet even
    he may not be idolized. He could not enter Eretz Yisroel, because of
    the idolatry of the people, and his grave is unknown, because of the
    idolatry of the people. What idolatry ? You put so-called Sages over
    the Prophets, you put Rambam and Hillel over Moshe Rabbeinu and King
    David, you do whatever you want and when someone tells you: it's a
    lie, do Teshuvah, return to your God, you pretend not to hear it.

    I don't say that fixing these issues of law will necessarily fix
    everything. You still have to live with heart and care for each other,
    which of course is also the law. If however you did the entire Torah,
    then your God has told you that he will fix the rest for you. It is
    worth a try. It is the truth anyway. Even if you are a fool and you
    want markets in land and predatory finance capital to enslave the
    masses, you should still have the honesty to say to someone who wishes
    to do the Torah: the prozbul is, of course, not the Torah, the debt is
    nullified, it is as obvious as it could be. Open rebellion against
    HKB'H, that's what the prozbul is. The answer was: a burning Temple,
    which to this day never rose again.

    Then we have all the lawlessness that Rabbi Reuven correctly points
    to. I have yet to find a point he isn't right about, except maybe that
    he puts too much stock in his own Rabbi and I fear this is getting
    close to idolatry or is a general attitude within Israel which may
    lead to the scenes we saw in 770 HQ Chabad. To be honest when I see
    some "dudes" talking about M.Friedman coming on a youtube with them,
    and they seem to think they are Jewish, I simply do not see it. Are
    these "Ehrliche Jüden" ? Are these the righteous, the caring, the well
    disciplined ? There is hundreds of guys like that running around here
    in my city, where there is barely a Jew left (Chas veShalom). What's
    the difference ? Return Israel ... return while you are still alive.

    Reply:

    You need to return to the honest truth of the Torah, because every
    time you break the Torah, you create disunity among yourselves, and the gentiles are copying it and making it much worse, the gentiles copy the
    worst version they can find, and make it much worse, besides all the
    wrongs they do already - and a few good things also they do, but not
    like the Torah.

    Examples. You klal Yisroel stopped the Jubilee, and there where some
    fake reasons given. When the Jubilee is not done, the control over
    land centralizes, and this destabilizes the economy, it impoverishes
    people on the one hand and it makes the few richer and then always
    richer. While there where forms of right to land with the Nations also,
    they all are non-stop selling land and refuse to acknowledge the right
    to land. It doesn't matter if you are a gentile or a Jew, the right to
    land is essential in both cases. Today with all the technology it is
    _even more essential_ ! I can go on for pages about it if you need.

    The prozbul it destroyed the 7th year debt cancellation of the Torah. This again makes the rich richer, it takes a control over them away. It makes
    the poor settle in their poverty. If they are landless too, that is two
    slaps in the face, from their own brothers. You could call it baseless
    hatred, and that's what I call it. What do the Nations do ? They also at
    times have some bankruptcy laws, which is good. However, then we have
    the Versaille treaty, we have now mountains of debt which destabilize
    the entire world, and soon we have World War 3 and a second (worse)
    holocaust on Jewish people as the consequences of not nullifying the
    debt. It isn't hard to see either how the poverty stricken masses get
    upset in Yerushalayim way back when, and they start supporting all kinds
    of separate movements, because the Temple is corrupt and makes up their
    own laws, and therefore so can they, and they do. The unity of the Torah
    is broken.

    Then we have Shabbos ! It is a good example also, because the Rabbis claim
    that a day ends when there are 3 stars out, but there doesn't seem to
    be any reason for that. They did severe damage to the Shabbos this way, allowing work on its evening. Candle lighting seems to soothe the nerves because you think it becomes light, but it's not the next day (Friday
    evening). Yes, it's a nice ritual, but it's not a day of rest. What do
    the gentiles do: they completely shift the day to whatever they want,
    and keep messing with it as well. Nowadays grocery shops are open on
    Sunday, and we see again how lawless the idolators are.

    I sometimes argue it like so: 2+4=6, and only 6. 8 - 5 = 3, and only
    3. Once you settle on the truth, the answer is one. Even then there
    is endless facets to the wealth and depth that is the truth. The wrong
    however, can be anything, and therefore it fractures people. When you say:
    3 stars the Sun comes out it is the next day, and there is no bases for
    it in the Torah: another can say, 2 stars, another can say, 50 stars,
    another can say: Sun down, another can say: the night sleep (which is
    what I say), and another says: it's completely another day. Once you
    are there and everyone is messing with the law, everything makes it up
    as they go, and because they all start deviating in their own desired direction, it endlessly shatters and splinters into smaller and smaller movements. This is how you loose your Nation, your Sovereignty, your
    Temple if you want to put it that way (and perhaps you should).

    Therefore I ask please, start doing Teshuvah for the prozbul. Once
    you have done that, you can maybe do Teshuvah for other problems as
    well, and who knows, the Redemption might suddenly exist around you,
    may it be speedily in our days. You _cannot_ put Rambam above HKB'H,
    and it also says as everyone knows: the Torah is not in heaven, it is
    not over the sea, you don't need to ask someone to explain it to you,
    etc. At some point of law breaking and messed up phony law, you have to
    retreat and realize: we need to go back to the truth. Return to your God,
    and your God returns to you, as he has promised. Have a guten Shabbos.

    You don't really have a choice, even if you can delay your Teshuvah
    by your own choice. The truth is the truth. If you want to live in
    the truth, you don't have a choice. The lie is the lie, and will be
    exposed, is being exposed. It is Game Over for humans, the madness and
    the stupidity cannot go on with this level of technology (my opinion
    I guess, but not only me). RETURN (sigh). It is idolatry to put Rambam
    above HKB'H, or Hillel the Elder above HKB'H. The law is clear, there
    is no doubt. The loan is cancelled, end of that story. Anyone who avoids
    the 7th year debt nullification with a prozbul, is committing fraud and
    crime, perhaps organized crime involving pretentious Rabbis, and needs
    to be punished accordingly (if possible).

    You want the Redemption ? This is one way to get closer to it. Without
    it, I don't think the Redemption will happen. It is a problem on two
    fronts: prozbul equals hatred, and prozbul equals lack of discipline
    and stupidity. Both could be a disqualifier for the Redemption, which
    is to last forever. Who can HKB'H trust his holy land to, to people who
    break the law on a whim, backed up by some absurd and wrong "philosophy"
    ? He needs to see someone reliable and good, and you should be that,
    you Israel be that Lamp to the Nations. Then they will see you, and
    they will hopefully better themselves accordingly. There is nothing like leading by example. You have to be that example.

    Why are you so hard necked, what do you think to get out of it ? Oh
    your tradition your tradition... it's so holy. Sure it is, but not
    everything is as good as it should be. You don't go back far enough to
    source your tradition. You source it from Rambam and Hillel, but that's
    too late. Go back further, to HKB'H when He gave your the Torah. Oh the
    Oral law the Oral law they clammor, their precious Oral law, nothing
    was ever so great. Just stop it already: it is debating Rabbis, in the
    exile, and the Temple did not stand long after the prozbul was issued,
    and that's also a message to you. It would not be the first time that
    a large amount of Jurisprudence would have to be overturned suddenly,
    because Israel is doing Teshuvah, returns to the Law. Is it courage you
    lack, impetus, reason, the disaster in the world isn't bad enough yet ?
    Oy oy oy Israel, when ... when ?

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