title: Parashat Chukat For The Heretics
link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGtdumkTEM4
source: Yaron Reuven Short Torah Clips

Someone wrote in a comment that fake Rabbi (by all standards) Manis
Friedman that if God has a "need" then this is also a *Creation*.

Reply:

Manis Friedman seems to have this childish reasoning. Perhaps it goes
like so: he reads in the Torah that God is single, one, and alone. He then assumes that God is lonely, like a little boy without his mother. Then he thinks, God created everything including me, because he was lonely. Then
he continues to ramble on in his mind: because God created me to fulfill
his own lonelyness and he si the Creator of Everything by definition,
he also created all my bad deeds, everything that happens has been done
by God. Therefore God is guilty of all the bad that happens. We blame God
for everything. Because we are innocent because we are hapless creations
(maybe he is?), we can do any bad we want, and God will not punish us
(despite saying the exact opposite in the Torah), because God knows he
is the guilty one himself (!). Since hell is too scary to think about,
it cannot exist because if God is guilty then he cannot put souls in
punishment or hell. Therefore hell does not exist, and it is merely an adjustment for the soul moment after loosing your body, and/or where you
"meet your friends" (he told that to children).

It is off the cuff "logic", without a critical attitude, without doing
a counter analyses on anything. It has holes everywhere, and you pointed
out a good one which most people cannot even think off it seems. If you
think of creation being created out of nothing, than even that nothing -
if you picture a big black space - itself is a creation, because that's
how humans think. Nothing isn't nothing, and we are pretty much at
the end of our wits with this, I would think. Our minds are at least
partially shaped by the world, are they not ?

God is lonely, like a little boy ? Then why doesn't God talk to you, M.Friedman. Why doesn't he invite you to a game of chess or a cup of
coffee ? Why does the Torah sometimes use a plural for God (it does,
right?). Why doesn't he hang out with Moshe Rabbeinu all the time.

Even _if_ God created a need for himself to create this world, so
? There is no inference from that, that _therefore_ you are innocent of
any wrong you are doing. God also gave you the Torah to keep, and the
power to do it. He just asked you: don't do any wrong, but if you do I
will be there to punish you. That is help, the punishment is help.

Even _if_ God created humanity and the Universe for a need he may have,
which is just so far beyond what any of us can even understand so why
do we even spend time on it, then doesn't it follow the exact opposite:
if the one who gave you life has a need for you, then be nice back for
all the good things you have and the chance of happiness. Rather than
berate HKB'H for being wrong because you - a fool - know better than
the Master of the Universe the King of all Creation, ask HKB'H what
you can do for Him if you think He needs something from you, and then
do it gladly. However you don't need to ask because you already know:
if you are Jewish, he gave you the Torah to do, so that you may live.

Manis Friedman acts like he has no power to not do evil, because any evil
he does is the fault of God, yet God gave him the Torah to complete,
and the ability to do it, to resist doing evil, to avoid going to
hell. In this act of so choosing, we earn our rights you could say,
we have our adventure and we earn our place. We do an amount of work
that way, which apparently _we_ have a need to accomplish.

We are here the humans on Earth, we are the ones messing up: war, strife, lying, stealing, and all the rest of it, and soon it could blow up in ways
we could barely believe possible (nuke war), and what is going to happen
with all this high technology, AI data processing and the capacity to
make robotic weapons, all the detection equipment, everything non-stop
in feverish development ? I was just thinking yesterday: the power
of modern technology will soon be so great that it becomes basically indistinguishable from magic (whatever that is, I don't even know). We
are the ones with the need, because we are destroying ourselves.

Don't we want to live and be happy ? Then we need to change for
the better. Aren't we the ones who want nice houses ? HKB'H gave us
everything, but with that power also comes the power to destroy. Clearly,
we are the needy ones, and His Torah is here to help us, and his
punishment is here to help us as well.

Hence in short: Manis - the heretic - Friedman, his logic is nothing,
there is no logic, it does not hold up to casual scruteny. It is not
good to be religious, and that from a Rabbi no less, with a people
who need to come back to the Torah ?! Religious for the Jew means the
Torah ! That's not just some random religion. How dare he say it ?! How
dare the Rasha belittle the Torah ?! He talks like Amalek, he has the
morality of an Ndrangetah family "go to hell to meet our friends" and
"hell doesn't exist" and "there is no punishment", precisely the rantings
I expect in some dungeon where the mafia gathers, or the MS13 criminals
in Middle America just before they murder a group of innocent people.

This isn't even close to being the same as the Islam or the western
idolators. This is a whole new level of shallow crazyness, of promoting
law breaking and everything wrong. I am thinking, those who follow Manis Friedman, they have just given up their Redemption.

Everything is in the hands of HKB'H though. It's merely a test. Those
who are unworthy will cling to the fool. However one has to fight for all
the people, lest someone who could live is deceived by his nonsense. Oy
oy oy ... and Chabad does nothing, I do not comprehend it. I guess the
cut is being made, and hope the loyal ones are being gathered by HKB'H,
to finally come out of exile, may it be speedily in your days.

[Continuing ...]

I think it is not possible for me to know basically anything about God.
I have heard the Jewish opinion say that all we know is that God is One.

I wrote it on Shabbos, because there is nothing else to do here, and
doing a little Torah or related topics seems the best way to pass the
time at the moment. You don't have to open a Usenet browser on Shabbos,
and I am not even Jewish either. Have a guten Shabbos.

It does not make sense what Manis Friedman is saying. You need to go
back to your Torah. Respect the laws of money and distribute the land to
all, keep to the Jubilee on land. The world needs its Lamp, because it
is not going well with humanity. Stop going after fools like Manis the
heretic Friedman, and return to your King, HKB'H. You don't even need a moshiach either, you have the law in your hand, it simply waits for you
to start doing it.

Stop the dishonesty, stop the apathetic attitude. I think though that
also the Rabbis have done major damage by making laws over the top
strict. Example: two entire kitchens for no other reason than "do not
boil a small goat in the milk of its mother". You extend that now to
having two kitchens, one for milk and one for meat. I find it dishonest (distasteful ?). If you did all the other laws well, it wouldn't matter,
but things like this bring about people like Manis Friedman who go in
the radical other direction. The extreme over the top strictness (not to
be confused with an abundance of charity, hospitality and loving
kindness of which there is probably never enough so long as you don't
destroy yourself) then creates a breeding ground for what is now
happening. In that sense: over the top dictatorial Rabbis have created
this Manis Friedman themselves.

Over the top laws for Shabbos, and then you pull the rug out from
underneath in the evening, and suddenly you potentially ruined the
entire rest day, despite all your over the top strictness like walking
in the dark or sittin in the cold because flicking a modern light switch
is forbidden because of some convoluted theory that it is the same as
making a fire in the days of Moshe Rabbeinu (try rubbing sticks
together, and you will understand that it falls in the category of hard
work).

Also binding boxes to your head and belts to your arms: who does it
benefit ? Over the top strictness and also something which is very
outwardly, and non-stop brachas (blessings) over everything that happens
and then memorizing all these blessings: for what ? Who does it benefit ?
Does it weigh up against one heartfelt thanks to the Creator, so that
you feel good about the law ? The Torah says: thank God once you have
eaten well. You add you add you add, and then comes Manis Friedman who
gives the repressed people a way out: being religious is wrong, and
they're so releived they fall all the way into lawlessness.

Pages of law about how not to ask interest, and then the heter iska
takes it away. Few things might be so important as the Jubilee on land,
but hey no problem, some random idea about the land this or tribes not
that, and they pretend they don't have to keep to it, while meanwhile
they try to make the 2nd Temple biggend and bigger and bigger. The 2nd
Temple became larger and more embellished in the end, but the Jubilee
was skipped, right ? I read at least that in the end the Jubilee was
skipped several times. Over the top in one area where you can all see
it, but then the heart of the law is ripped out.

Ohhhhh "two kitchens" ! Very obvious, very in-your-face. Whom does it
benefit ? Does it benefit the poor, the downtrodden, the needy ?
Ohhhhh "box tied to the head" ! Very obvious, very in-your-face. Whom
does it benefit ?
Ohhhhh a big 2nd Temple, gold here, Lamp of Helena there, always bigger.
Very obvious, very in-your-face. Whom does it benefit ? The landless ?
The exploited ? The day laborer ? The hungry ?
Ohhh what a beautiful set of Shabbos candles, how frum ! Very
in-your-face, everyone can see it. Such a proof ! Whom does it benefit ?
When you stop the Shabbos somewhere along that day, you broke it and you
didn't even rest yourself. Who else did you deny their rest day with
these tricks ? Did your animals get rest, your servants and slaves
(employees) ?

At least you dress very tidy and neatly, at least the Orthodox do. We
see such a mess on the street, and I am also guilty that I could dress
better. This at least I like, even though it is also very obvious and in-your-face, but it's nice. You dress like neat people, the men at
least (usually). You don't follow decadent American fashion, or the
latest western horror: tattoos for normal people. Always resist that
garbage, which is of course totally forbidden in the Torah.

It is like the autists (dani18.com) said, who said: we created a shallow Judaism, a Judaism without the heart.

You don't necessarily see it so much, if the Jubilee is honored. You
really need to look sharp to see: did they get their land back, and
where ? Did this mega land owner finally get cut back again ?

A kitchen in which you do not cook the young goat in its moders milk:
how can you see that ? I don't think it is detectable.

Someone sitting somewhere, reading the Tehilin. You don't even know what
he is reading. If his heart is in it, it's better than someone with 5
boxes tied to his head and with black belts around both arms and legs,
who does not have his heart in it. You see the point ? To us gentiles,
boxes to your head, belts on your arm ? Why not a box on each shoulder
as well, and wrap yourself into a fire hose ? You get how silly it looks
for us, a box to your head ? Really, that's the example Nation we need
to look up to and learn from ? In this box is a scrap of paper with a
word from the Torah, but you can't even read it ? How about the next
step then: buy a set of goggles and glue two scraps of paper to each
lense, at least now you can see it. I mean, just silly you know. This is
the Torah ? This is it what it means to care about your people ? You
understand that we would give more credit to someone who brings the
garbage for someone else to the depot, or does any other good deed for
someone in need who deserve help ?

You should go back to a Torah which is less about show, and more about
heart, about the love for your fellow Jew. While the Torah has laws, it
also has a lot of freedoms. To have your land is perhaps the greatest of
them all, and it sets you apart even as a Nation of freedom surrounded
by de-facto dictatorships and servitude systems.

Show acts and over the top legal strictness is not the Torah either. It
doesn't just say: don't take away from these laws, it also says; do not
add to these laws.

No, your Oral Tradition is not on the level with the written Torah of
Moshe Rabbeinu. It is the Jurisprudence which predictably came about
based on the Torah. It may be very good, it may be very interesting, it
can indeed be very long also, it certainly does have an amount of legal
power or influence, but it is not itself the law. IT does not itself
have the authority.

It would be easy enough to write in the Torah that this Oral Tradition
exists, how it exists, and that it is law. The Torah simply does not say
that. The Torah instead contains the law of Prophets, which imply you
can only listen to a Prophet who supports the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu
(and that does not mean the Oral Tradition, no matter how much you would
like that), and they are of course righteous good people, and they make unbelievable accurate predictions about the future, and they call Israel
back to the law (if I recall correctly). Only *then* do you have someone
alive you are allowed to listen to !

It doesn't say: listen to anyone who has a certificate about the Oral Tradition, trained in the tradition or some school, and their word is as
good as Moshe Rabbeinu. It does not say that, and you know it. The bar
to be listened to on the level of the Torah: it simply doesn't even
exist, because even the Prophet has to follow the Torah, the written
Torah that is. The Torah also says: here are the laws, and many laws
have been given, and then there is the blessings and curses section. It
says: I have presented here your laws, keep them and be blessed, break
them and be cursed (paraphrased). It doesn't say something like: ask
your teachers with their Oral Tradition, and they know everything, or
that these teachers can even make new laws (such as the prozbul or heter
iska, or working on Shabbos evening, or that a certain verse means to
tie a box to your head). The bar to be met to have a person you should
put authority in is very high, far beyond learning in a Yeshivah, and it
is so high that you can not even do it at all now because the time of
the Prophets was officially ended, probably thanks to the law breaking
of Israel.

It says not in the Torah: ask your teacher, he knows the tradition and
it goes all the way back to Moshe Rabbeinu. Instead it says: the Torah
is not in heaven or over the sea, it is right in your hand and in your
heart. It literally says: you can read, you can understand. It is that
clear.

That doesn't mean that Rabbis are necessarily wrong either, they too can
read and understand. Since they do so much more reading, they likely
have so much more understanding. However, they are still not a Prophet,
they are still not a law maker. They cannot make up a law like the
prozbul, and they cannot claim with *authority* that you have to bind
boxes to your head, or that this is for sure what it means (which I
personally at least think it does not, but that it is meant more
allegorical like "the hand of God" is also allegorical, but they tried
to make a mockery out of it perhaps on purpose and for show; this
however is of course merely *my* potentially random opinion, and you can
have *your* opinion on it I guess, so long as it falls within a
reasonable reading of the text itself).

I just cannot believe HKB'H is asking common people to tie a box to
their head. It doesn't seem to match anything else in the Torah. If they
at least kept all the other laws, it would be more believable, but they
don't. How can I trust the word of people who support the prozbul.

It is not humble to claim your Oral Tradition is on the same level as
the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu, by the way. It seems to be a tool to super
charge your opinions. Rather, it should just all tie back to the Torah.
Back a long time ago, I suspect they didn't want to write down their Jurisprudence, because they where afraid of what has now happened, that
the Jurisprudence itself has become the object of study, and to a degree
it confuses the study of the Torah itself, and it can also undermine the
unity of Israel which is based on the Torah.

If you just talk your Oral Tradition and never wrote it down, then
perhaps by now the Sephardi and the Azhkenazi streams could already have
come together as one, at least in the areas where they live together, so
that they have one law and one interpretation thereof, which is a
reasonable approximation of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu. Now that it is
written down, the new generations can constantly reread about their side
of things, and then perpetuate it as a Tradition. Also the autists have
said that this disunity is very bad.

It is called "Oral Law" but it comes in a huge stack of books. You
always put most stock in the older generations, so by logic that could
mean: those who at first did not write it down, they where closer ot the
truth. By extension of that logic, you should go back to the Oral law
being Oral. Even if you don't, realizing the Jurisprudence is just that
and can be a moving target, then don't be so hardnecked about it that
you couldn't unite again the Sephardim with the Ashkenazi. Such a hard
necked people, even against each other in this way.

This supposed Oral law is not on the level of the Torah of Moshe Rabbeinu,
the 5 books. You cannot call it law either, perhaps by-law if you must,
while calling the Torah "law". They are not on the same level, don't
have the same function. One is the Constitution if you will, the other
is the Jurisprudence, the bylaws, the traditions, the discussions, etc.

You can unite diverging Jurisprudence, because it is not forever fixed.
You cannot change the Torah, and it should be good, and it is the same
book in any case for all, so there doesn't even seem to be an issue
there. You're just so hard necked with your "tradition", your schism,
your clan, etc. Tying boxes to your head is not helping much with this,
is my guess. But hey, just another fool ranting on the Internet with too
much time, so who cares.

P.S.

Whatever you do, bring the Redemption quickly. I thought of this ...
let's say this scheme of things does happen and after World War 3 we get
the gangsters of power pretending to be all lovey dovey with their
propaganda and ask the whole world to unite under their Empire. I don't
think that's a stretch of the imagination, since much of that happened
after World War 2, and according to some was an explicit design (see
also the League of Nations, an earlier attempt at the same).

So if Israel then finally Redeems itself, it is as if we then suddenly
have two poles in the world. One is the pole of evil, which is the
United Nations and the world Empire under the Plutocracy, which will
probably become a hellish tyranny sooner or later. The other pole is
Israel, Yerushalayim, where the Tzadikim live who came back to the Torah
and are now living a real life. The gentiles are in the middle, confused
as usual. Two ways for humanity, one to hell, one to heaven, one to
misery and death, the other to happyness and the great adventure of
life. One is Amalek, one is Israel (the real one, not to be confused
with the modern Zionist rebel state).

Well, just a thought. Perhaps it highlights the urgency, the need, for
Israel to come back to the truth. The world needs it.

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