• Israel: a wall of obstinacy, a hard neck like a blind wall.

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 13 14:37:48 2024
    title: At the western wall praying for Moshiach
    source: @NewsSurvivors
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NoM1MEIJiNU

    This is a short video of a large gathering at the Western Wall, singing
    for 'moshiach'. I assume it is recent, perhaps even from 9th Av, but who
    knows.

    Reply

    5 hours ago
    Everything seems to be like a wall, closed off, impassable. The Western
    wall is a wall, a closed wall, the Jewish people knock, cry pray and
    sing on this closed wall for ages. The Eastern Gate is also a closed
    wall, it is not a gate anymore. Moshiach might be knocking from there,
    but it is a wall. Then we have the 3 Oaths of the exile, saying that
    Israel should not go to Eretz Yisroel "as a wall" before moshiach,
    but they did so anyway, and then they build a great wall to protect
    themselves. Three walls, or even 4 as the Jewish people moving en masse
    is apparently also called a wall. I can't think of another Nation who
    is so ... walled in. What could it mean ?

    These three walls are not roof structures, but they are walls in the
    sense of barriers. What do you think about these walls ? The only thing
    I can come up with right now on the spot, is that heaven is shutting
    out the Jewish people. Shut out from the Temple, shut out from reaching 'moshiach', and the wall around Gaza is a symbol of being shut out from
    the peace which HKB'H has promised if the Jewish people listened to His
    Torah. These are the three physical walls.

    That leaves the last wall, which isn't a wall but is the Jewish people themselves, moving into Eretz Yisroel (as this Oath is at least translated
    into English, is this also the same in Hebrew?). If you interpret
    the 3 physical walls as an expression and consequence of a rejection
    by heaven because Israel does not listen to the Torah, then you could hypothetically say that Israel is that wall. Israel is a wall shutting
    out the Torah, like a wall. Israel being a wall against the Torah, then
    causes the other walls to come about. It isn't heaven which is rejecting
    the Jewish people so much, but rather it is the Jewish people who reject
    the truth, the justice and peace of the Torah. Walls are always hard,
    and so are these walls. They then come to symbolize I suppose, the hard
    neck of the Jewish people, in rejecting their own God, HKB'H. As they
    reject the truth, so does the truth reject them.

    As they behave like a wall against their God and his prophets and
    even Moshe Rabbeinu, so they themselves get caught behind a wall, to
    experience the same. Like Jeremiah talking endlessly, complaining, but
    not being listened to (right?). Talking to a wall, a wall of a people,
    with a hard neck, who don't want to listen to HKB'H, his Torah.

    I hope though that you standing in a circle and singing together, you
    become a different wall, a wall which supports a roof over all. A new Beit Hamikdash which you seem to want so much. You should be warned however,
    that if you don't break down the wall of your obstinacy to the Torah yourselves, you force heaven to do it for you, which will likely come with suffering and punishment. Just to get you started already: prozbul, heter
    iska, not conducting the Jubilee because of meaningless/absurd excuses,
    and breaking the Shabbos in the evening pretending the day ends when it
    didn't end yet. Maybe if you repented from this rejection of the Torah,
    you would be closer to finding this 'moshiach' of yours, being shut out
    behind that wall.

    It is quite a long shot I have to say, but HKB'H can do anything,
    so who knows. It is also curious that 'moshiach' is supposed to come
    through the Eastern Gate, and the Jewish people are at the Western
    Wall. Both are on opposite sides, both as it where cannot get into the
    Temple complex through those walls. Everything seems to be completely
    stuck, I guess. Sorry about all this ranting, it's probably not going to
    help. In any case, correct your Torah, and who knows what will happen ? Is everyone who posts anything to youtube, necessarily a crazy person ? Are
    you crazy ? I dare you to look into the prozbul, or the absurd excuse not
    to conduct the Jubilee. Are you seriously wanting the Redemption, or just asking for another King again. Is it unreasonable what I am suggesting ?

    End.

    [Continuing on Usenet.]

    I think this should be the end ofr me trying to call on the Jewishp
    people to return to the law which they have broken. If they want to find
    out what they do wrong (in my opinion), it shouldn't be hard to find.
    Any moment they can return to the law, or just stop lying about the
    Torah. All you have to do is open the Torah, open Rabbinical law, and
    a lie such as the PROZBUL is screaming from the pages as if an air raid
    sirene had just gone off. You don't notice it ? Because you don't *want*
    to notice it. Have it your way then.

    I used to think that 'calling for moshiach' meant basicall, calling for
    the Torah, calling for the truth, asking what to do. This is apparently
    not what they mean, hence I have no further interest in the matter. They
    don't care for their Torah, they take way way way too long to respond
    and react in a good way to an obvious rebuke, the that's fine, you go
    your way, and I will go my way. I side with the truth, Justice and
    Peace, and whatever you are doing, I guess you will find out
    yourselves.

    Don't come back later complaining I didn't try hard enough to correct
    your lies about the Torah.

    Don't come back later complaining, that I wanted to be your boss or
    'moshiach' and enjoy all kinds of wealth, luxury, power and prestige
    that way.

    I did it for the sake of Justice, Peace and also human survival in
    general. The only goal is to give you a fighting chance, a chance you
    have to exploit and turn into value yourselves. While on the one hand
    words on paper are as powerless a thing as can be, on the other hand
    they are the most powerful thing in the entire world. However, it is up
    to you to bring words to life, or bring words to death, as you have done
    with your Torah.

    You don't want to do the truth, you don't want to listen to your God.
    Israel thinks they know better. Where will it end ? I guess we will find
    out ! Already the year is 6004 it seems, 4 years over date already. You
    are on your own, Israel. I hope I can finally force myself to no longer
    try talking to a wall, because a wall is a wall, it's dead, it's stupid
    to talk to a wall, isn't it. I'm stupid for continuing to try, thinking
    that eventually someone may care.

    Back to plan B then: maybe after World War 3, a few people will finally
    care. Wait a minute, that was always plan A. This trying now before
    hand, that has always been plan B, the plan which was likely to fail,
    but which you commit to anyway because of good form, for historical
    sake, for honor sake, and to put everything to everything to exploit
    any chance however small. Well, it has been tried then, and predictably:
    not a single human was found who cared for the deeper truth, for justice
    and Peace.

    Live it up with your wars and your Tyranny and you evil, and see where
    you end up. You might enjoy it ? You think it's awesome, all these
    weapons all this bloodshed ? Enjoy yourselves then, hack each other to
    death, exploit each other like vampires, scheme behind each others back,
    make children left and right who grow up without a mother, a father or
    even both, you already don't know anymore what is a man or a woman,
    hence you lost your mind already, you became insane as a culture.

    You have your chance now, it's all online hopefully for a long time.
    You don't want to make an effort for Peace and Justice ? Okay fine, I
    was only asking to see if you wanted to live. Apparently you prefer
    death, so I guess there isn't anything to talk about anymore.

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