• Rambam is (obviously) wrong, Jubilee not being effective

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 29 12:20:04 2024
    To: https://outreachjudaism.org/contact-us/

    Some youtube video of this Rabbi, who is doing a great effort to help
    the Jesus idolators and his Jewish people not to fall into that crazy
    religion from Rome, I tried to write under, but youtube deleted it
    again. Hence I decided to post the reply to his contact page ... :

    Rambam Shemita 10:8 claims that the Jubilee on land is not necessary,
    because two tribes left the land. This is a lie, and this may be the
    number one reason why you are in exile, and why you are ... idolators
    (you idolize fake "sages", you stopped listening to your God).

    I didn't even bother looking up or think about looking up any further
    this thing, once I read the lie in Rambam. Obviously it is a lie, because
    land rights for all has nothing to do with who lives in that land. It is a basic concept of economics, crossed by this failed monkey called "humans" (that's us), who think they will conquer and enslave the Cosmos next,
    spread their Empire, ignorance and evil all over the Universe. Once you understand a little about economics, you don't even need to confirm what
    the text says, because you know it already. It was either that Moshe
    Rabbeinu had it correct, or if Moshe Rabbein had implied that if some
    tribes left therefore the Jubilee on land would no longer be operative,
    then Moshe Rabbeinu or even the Jewish God would have been wrong. That
    simple. Wrong. The other option: the Jewish people would have failed
    to copy the text correctly and probably inserted errors on purpose,
    in the service of some rich criminals.

    I now finally grabbed by Tanach (Sja'ar, NBG, Dutch/Hebrew) and my Torah
    (NIK, I.Dasberg, I like this one), and opened them on Wajjikra / Leviticus 25:10, to see what it says. If it says what Rambam says, then the Torah
    is wrong and can probably never be trusted again. Probably you messed up
    the text, or Moshe Rabbeinu was having some misguided idea about how we
    wanted to _force_ Israel to stay together, because how can you let go of
    the Jubilee on land ? That's insane, so they had to stay together. I think
    that would have been a mistake, but let's see what Moshe Rabbeinu wrote.

    Okay I admit, one minute ago I already checked the Dasberg Torah, but
    I lost my comment here due to misedit. Well well well, wouldn't you
    know ... the Torah has it right, again. Always the Torah, which never disappoints. This is how the Dasberg reads:

    NIK, I.Dasberg Dutch translation, translated to English (I added _cursiv_ regarding the words of interest in this case):

    Lev. 25:10 *Geeft het vijftigste jaar een bijzondere wijding door in
    het land vrijheid af te kondigen voor _al zijn bewoners,_ een door de
    bazuin ingeluid jaar, een - Jowel-jaar - is het en het moet het voor
    jullie zijn; ieder moet dan terugkeren naar zijn eigen grondbezit en
    ieder moet weer in zijn eigen familie terugkomen.*

    Translated to English by undersigned: *Give the fiftieth year a special consecration by declaring freedom for _all its inhabitants,_ a by the
    trumpet declared year, a - Jubilee-year - it is and it should be for you; everyone must then return to their own land ownership and everyone must
    come back into their own family.*

    Sja'ar Tanach:

    Lev. 25:10 *Elk vijftigste jaar zal voor jullie een heilig jaar zijn,
    waarin kwijtschelding wordt afgekondigd voor _alle inwoners van het land._
    Dit is het jubeljaar, waarin ieder naar zijn eigen grond en zijn eigen
    familie kan terugkeren.*

    Translated to English by undersigned: *Every fiftieth year will be holy
    for you, in which you will announce remission for _all the inhabitants_
    of the land. This is the Jubilee year, in which everyone will return to
    their own soil and their own family.*

    End quotes/translations. You see ? The Jubilee does not end when some
    tribes leave the land. You are in a state of rebellion against the Torah,
    by following your idol Rambam, who is a criminal because he is deceiving
    Israel and through it, even the entire world (who don't seem to have
    a clue about how economics works, except for a few who know perfectly
    well, but they don't do enough about it). Do you understand how grave
    this all is ? I guess not.

    You are idolators. Non stop talking about this hero person you want, of
    which you think he will agree with you (!). How is that possible ? Either
    this 'moshiach' of yours will be a liar, or he will have to ask you to
    stop lying about the Torah. It is one or the other, sorry. What would
    happen if this hero person of yours would show up and ask you, please do
    the Jubilee on land again, Rambam is obviously wrong ? What will you do
    ? We know the answer, I guess. You would do nothing. You would be agains
    this 'moshiach' of yours, you would ignore it, look the other way, stand
    down, not "leave Egypt", even rally the people against this 'moshiach'
    of yours. Isn't that what would happen, or is that already happening.

    Oy oy oy Israel, there is no defense for you. It is too obvious, the
    lies are too blatant. You cannot defend yourselves.

    End reply.

    Continuing on Usenet. Forgot to put a good bye under it, sorry (it was a youtube comment, just quickly copy/pasted). It's funny to note that the
    Rabbi Tovia Singer is doing "outreach Judaism", but now he is being
    outreached to, with the argument and question to return to the Torah,
    and stop the rebellion of Hillel - Rambam and Rabbinical Judaism in
    general.

    On a more broad note: Jewish people, you cannot seriously believe that
    you are some 21 centuries in exile (counting from your destruction of
    the Jubilee), and that this is all caused by some event at the start of
    it. 21 centuries is a long time. How many lifetimes is that ? If you
    where punished even for a few centuries, you could argue that it is
    caused by a state of affairs at the beginning of it, but eventually if
    you do good, it can't be true that you have to wait more than a thousand
    years. It is just too long. A culture can live and die in the span of
    some 4 centuries, but you have to wait something like 4 of such cycles
    *more* to see a result from your good behavior ?

    That is not what is going on. You recreate the exile every time every
    day all the time. You *are* the exile, you *are* the rebellion. You
    still drag around this silly Hillel the Elder, and went as far as
    calling a Jewish position at American Colleges for a student "being the Hillel". You celebrate this fool called Rambam everywhere, all the time
    you do it. Rather than learn something and do better after a thousand+
    years of exile, you make it even worse with this Rambam / Maimonides,
    and you smear the name of Moshe Rabbeinu by comparing Rambam favorable
    to Moshe Rabbeinu, as if there was an equality there.

    Moshe Rabbeinu has instituted the right to free land for all.
    Rambam has overthrown and destroyed this right, potentially forever or
    until his phony teachings eventually go where they deserve to be: rat
    food.

    They are opposites. They are enemies. You create your own exile, and you
    cannot be gotten out of exile, because once you are put into your land
    again and given Sovereignty, you will immediately start messing it up.
    You are of full intention of messing it up, because that's what you
    declare non-stop to be your beliefs: Hillel, Rambam. The destruction of
    Torah finance, the destruction of Torah land laws (which happen to be
    how economics works objectively, although you don't have to use that
    system you need to use a system for it, and that system can *not* be
    selling land in perpetuity, whatever it is, it cannot be that).

    You are your own destroyers, you are your own enemies. Your Rabbis and
    their teachings are your enemies. They are the enemies of the Torah, of
    the truth. Sorry, but how else can I put it ? Let's say for fairness
    sake that they do some half of the Torah, but half is not enough.
    Half is more dangerous for the Jews than nothing, becaues if they did
    nothing (like "Reform" Judaism), there will be a movement against it.
    If they did everything, problem is solved, you can get out of exile
    right away. Now that they do half, the Jewish people tell themselves
    that this is good enough, and they don't look for more, and that
    destroys them, because it is not good enough.

    Then why don't the Jewish people go to be Kairites ? Indeed, why not ?
    I don't know ? Confused, lost their minds ? The Kairites obviously have
    the decent arguments, the Rabis have basically nothing, yet ... they get
    the money I was just thinking ... I guess that's where it's at ? The
    money ? The ones who ruined the Torah economy get the money from those
    who benefit from those lies ? That's the only real answer I see here.
    You sold the Torah for money, but it will buy you the exile.

    You think you can ignore these arguments, but you cannot, because it's
    the end. The bombs are too big, the technology too powerful. It cannot
    go on like this, without drastic changes. At least that is what I think,
    it is merely a guess of course. You think you are good when your house
    is clean, and your family is well dressed and respected in the
    community. If you learn your fake Torah in the Yeshivah and if you care
    for modesty. It is not enough, sorry. You try to not do gossip, you try
    to give charity a lot, you try to keep half the Shabbos and then even
    the other half as well unofficially.

    Let's say you where taken out of exile that way, because you look clean
    and good. You enter the land, but you will not instate the Jubilee,
    because of the lies of Rambam. Are you all there ? No. Are you all there
    by tribe ? No. If not these excuses, you will make other excuses, no ?
    We see already in the Zionist State where it ended up. It is not
    working.

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