• Rabbi: 'moshiach' is a job description (agreed).

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 24 12:16:49 2024
    title: Let’s discuss: Who is Moshiach?
    source: @pinchastaylor
    link: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LPi0wxZpJ_8

    Some video with standard (Rambam like) talk about 'moshiach', narrowing
    it down to: gather the exiled, build the temple, and something else. It
    was the point that 'moshiach' is a 'job description' and not so much a
    person. Then there where comments on the video (from other people),
    saying that this was wrong. However, I agree with the Rabbi in the
    video, trying to argue the case with these other commentators (going off
    a bit too long I guess, sorry about that) ... (It is harder to write in a comment box attached to a 'short video' because the video can jump away
    if you press down arrow or something.)

    Reply ...

    Three comments already, saying it
    is _not_ a job discription. Are you
    idolators ? Don't we have enough
    personality politics in the world
    ? Being a Prophet is a job description:
    keep to the Law, listen to heaven
    giving you what is going to happen
    and relate it to the people (who
    must kill you if you get it wrong),
    overtly _claim_ to be a prophet and
    speak for the Creator (HKB'H), get
    everything correct, and then Israel
    is officially obligated to listen
    to you (even though in reality,
    they might not listen, but ignore or
    even kill you instead). That is a job
    description. Being King over the Jewish
    people is also a job description: read
    the Torah, and so on. This 'moshiach'
    of the 'final Redemption' is again
    a job description. You do it, or you
    don't do it. It is that simple. If you
    do and succeed, perhaps the prophets
    talked about that person. While there
    may be a selection made for who is the
    most suitable candidate to do it, it is
    a selection for a job, a very specific
    job of getting the world to stop
    destroying itself in war and abusing
    each other in general. Personally I
    think the job description is so much
    more wide than some jewish Rabbis seem
    to think. Just to be King over one
    small Nation and build one building
    and get a bunch of Jewish people to
    the lands around Yerushalayim ? Wow,
    that easy eh ? I don't think so, no. It
    is about that perhaps as well, but it
    is about the really big issue: evil on
    Earth in general, all over the world
    and not just in one small Nation. If
    Israel is the tool to get to the whole
    world, then that tool must be used
    and accomplish its job. Perhaps all it
    takes is what the Rabbi says, and the
    consequences would be that humanity
    stops being evil and a bunch of trolls
    and following the most absurd lies
    anyone can imagine. However that is
    still only a mechanism for the deeper
    job, which pretty much is: world wide
    an end to all evil, either sooner or
    not much later than sooner. You can
    then deepen that one level I guess,
    and say that heaven is doing all this
    actually, and for this purpose they
    need a tool, someone to perform that
    function of 'moshiach' for them, which
    is exactly what the Creator says in the
    Torah: my servant. My employee. Someone
    who is fitting to do that job. This
    may well mean that this person is not
    the best person generally in the world,
    either. Take someone who is extremely
    kind to everyone, unbelievably wise,
    and so on. While this may be the
    superior human to have ever lived, it
    may be not quite good enough for this
    particular job. He might realize that
    there is no hope for such a hard necked
    people, and give up. Where he less
    intelligent, he might just doggedly
    bite himself into it and never give
    up even though it becomes absolutely
    silly to keep going and argue the Torah
    with Israel. Well, I am theorizing
    a bit also from my own perspective,
    but the point is the principle I am
    making. Perhaps he is not the kindest
    person, and therefore willing to use
    harsh words against otherwise nice
    Jewish people. Heaven then takes this
    also hard necked and kind of boring
    and a little bit mean person, and like
    sets it on Israel like a tick almost,
    like a nuisance. Unbeknownst to that
    person this 'moshiach' or whatever,
    heaven pushes through World War 3
    and absolutely terrible calamities
    on Earth which nobody can ever even
    imagine would happen, to from their
    end force Israel to realize: you go
    back to your Torah, or you will be
    annihilated. It is a job description,
    and to say anything else is probably
    idolatry (punishable by death in the
    Torah). The idols are supposed to fall,
    remember ? Only the truth makes it
    to the end, the truth, and not your
    idolatry which I think is a behavior of
    monkeys. The blind subjugation to an
    'identity' a 'personality'. That is
    your monkey talking. Be a human being,
    talk to someone as an equal, be real
    and try to resolve your decisions
    in peace and kindness. You want to
    subjugate to idols, like oxen live
    under the boss bull, and lions live
    under the lion boss man. That's for the
    animals. In the end, only one real boss
    will survive the fall of the idols,
    and that may be the Creator himself,
    because we surely didn't put this
    Universe into being, and so we can
    imagine it may be something great and
    we just don't know - we can call this
    God, we can call this the Creator, we
    can call this HKB'H. Once his Torah has
    been proven and understood. Someone
    got up from the couch here just
    now, and just blurted out (can you
    believe this?) "personality is not
    enough". hahahahaha So funny. I
    was just typing like a maniac
    for myself. Sorry, I went on too
    long here. The idolatry leads to
    stupidity. You worship some kind of
    fantasy, and that will solve all your
    problems. It will not, you should use
    brain to solve problems. Kings are
    usually worshiped as gods. The Pharao,
    was also thought of as a god. Roman
    Emperors, more gods. This is the line
    you idolators are continuing. The
    Torah is against all that, even by
    the death penalty. I think because
    the idolatry creates mindlessness
    and injustice. Sorry again I wrote
    too much. Have a nice day.

    The Jewish peole need to stop with
    Rambam, or they will face the worst
    because of those lies. Shemita 10:8,
    prozbul, stop with these lies and your
    idolatry, Israel.

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