• Why did the Ba'al Shem Tov not "smell" the injustices in Rambam ?

    From Jos Boersema@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 27 15:12:17 2024
    title: Beware of false messiahs!
    link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtVS1DsHB5Q
    source: Rabbi Nir Menussi

    A video about (also) Ba'al Shem Tov, also telling a story about how the
    Ba'al Shem Tov apparently didn't want to go into a house because of a
    faul smell. When the owner couldn't find anything, Ba'al Shem Tov
    pointed to a book by a false messiah, and asked it to be removed.

    If the Ba'al Shem Tov is such a man of purity, I then wondered listening
    to this, then why didn't he ask for the words written by Hillel the
    Elder and Rambam / Maimonides to likewise be removed ? Did he not even
    know or understand the faulness of the works of Hillel and Rambam,
    guilty over overthrowing the Torah economy ? Why did he not know ? Isn't
    land important ? Isn't the Jubilee important ? Doesn't the Torah matter
    anymore ?

    Reply ...


    I also smell something faul in a book, found something faul although it
    wasn't that I smelled it, but I was shocked when I found it. Shocked. It
    wasn't in the Tanach. It wasn't the beautiful Torah either. It was
    the Shulchan Aruch, it was on paragraph 180 and 66 if I recall,
    called *prozbul* and *heter iska.* How can this faulness be next to
    this beautiful Torah, the _written_ Torah from Moshe Rabbeinu ? Even
    though the Torah gives no reasons, everything has a good reason. Not
    this Shulchan Aruch. Reasons are given for the *prozbul* but they are
    not good, they are not correct, not pure, but faul, dirty and deceptive, fraudulent, criminal, hateful, heartless. Since then I have discovered
    another book whith is faul, called Shemita by Rambam, chapter 10:8,
    about the Jubilee. A lie. How is it possible that you can stand such
    faulness, next to the beauty and purity and precision of the Torah ? How
    is it possible that the Ba'al Shem Tov did not find the stench of this injustice, this exile which is created in those words by Hillel the
    Elder and Maimonides or Rambam as he may be called, of whom it is even
    said "From Moshe to Moshe, there was none like Moshe." How could Ba'al
    ShemTov not know about Hillel or Rambam ?

    Israel ben Eliezer or Yisroel ben Eliezer (1698 – 22 May 1760), known
    as the Baal Shem Tov

    Mozes Maimonides (Hebreeuws: משה בן מימון, Mosje ben Maimon, Arabisch: Moesa ibn Maimon, موسى بن ميمون), ook bekend
    als Rambam, (Córdoba (Spanje), 30 maart 1138 – Fustat (Caïro),
    13 december 1204)

    Baal Shem Tov, centuries after Rambam. Did he never hear of him ? How
    could he not see the dirt Rambam has spread: Shemita 10:8, an obvious
    lie, a block on any kind of Redemption because they would think not to
    do the Jubilee, even though they should. Isn't this what we see now in
    the Zionist State ? No Jubilee on the land ? What is going on here, why
    do Jewish Rabbis not care for the Torah ? Has it become a game for them,
    to overthrow it while laying claim to it ? Why do they do philosophy, in a phony and shallow way to "make the world beautiful" as Hillel put it when
    he overthrew the 7th year debt forgiveness for the poor, and at the same
    time pretend to stand for something which is dogmatic and put down from
    heaven to be done, if you understand it or not, if you are Jewish ? How
    can this happen ? How long will this still continue on ? Must everyone
    die before the lies become mute and the truth will have the final say ?

    Beware of false messiahs ? Yes, of course: messiahs such as Hillel the
    Elder, who smile so friendly, always a friendly word. He destroyed Israel
    with his loving smile. False messiah Rambam / Maimonides, with his phony
    Torah. Even the Shabbos the Rabbis have overthrown, pretending the day
    ends when they say it ends, even though people haven't gone back to sleep
    yet. Willy nilly Rabbinical law, because it suits them, because its suits
    those who pay them, or for whatever reason, for their pride sake, their certificates, their beautiful hats, well cut clothes, decent looking
    but hiding something terrible, the Great Lie of Rabbinical Judaism:
    they the Rabbis, have overthrown the Torah, while laying claim to it.

    Now you see, the idolators from Rome, they say who is your false messiah,
    in the one whose teaching you go: Hillel, or as they call him, first
    Titus as he was the first phony Messiah from Rome (as you can investigate
    under 'Ceasar's Messiah' highly recommended documentary about western
    idolatry and the Roman Empire and all the lying that went into it),
    and then it was morphed into false prophet Yoshke the Bastard (he has
    no father), he was your 'messiah' they said. You knew it was not so,
    but the similarities are extensive: overthrow of the Torah by Yoshke
    and by Hillel, both are pretended to be friendly & peaceful regardless
    of their agressive and hate filled teachings and the consequences of
    it. You Israel act as if Yoshke the Bastard was your 'messiah', that
    is what they are telling you, perhaps why heaven told them to mock you,
    because you made a mockery of the Torah with tying boxes to your head,
    double kitchens, hollow stories which don't fill empty stomachs of the
    poor who are denied their land and their loans from their brothers.

    Why Israel, why are you so obstinate ? Is it pride ? Is it confusion ? Is
    it because your fathers and forefathers did the same ? Is it because
    you don't care what is in the Torah. Is it because you are angry with
    God the Creator, and so you want to take revenge by ignoring his Torah
    ? Is it because of greed ? Is it because the next guy is doing the
    same, and why should you be the one to return to the truth, while he
    will mock you for it ? Is it because you think you know better, even
    better than Moshe Rabbeinu, Jehoshua ben Nun, all the prophets and even
    HKB'H himself ? Is it because you just like to fiddle with words (as
    seems to certainly be my hobby, I'm sorry to say, lol), and it seemed
    amuzing to you to mess it up ? Is it because you wanted to experiment
    with letting everything go to hell, see what would happen, and how you
    would get yourselves out of it ? Is it because you got infiltrated, and
    you didn't realize it ? Is it because you don't want peace, or not peace
    for the others ? Did you just become tired of the whole thing ? Did the
    Rabbis mistreat you, and so you decided to stop listening to the Torah
    as a whole, not caring to find out if the Rabbis where still loyal to
    the Torah they claim to stand for ? Do you want to be like the gentiles, lawless and wild at times ? You already have everything, and a world at
    war or the rich exploiting the poor, it is not your concern ?

    I don't know exactly why you do it, Israel ... but it seems to me to
    be unlikely that you can be Redeemed this way. You choose to be in
    the darkness, then the light will be far away for you, because that
    is what you wanted. You choose the confusion, and so understanding is
    something you can't seem to reach, because that is what you wanted. You
    choose hatred against your brothers and theft of what belongs to them,
    and so Justice and Peace often stay away from you, because you created
    that yourself. When you no longer gave the land to your brother as is
    his right, your entire Nation its land was taken away by someone to whom
    it did not belong. Was that not Justice ? Was that not you, who gave the example ? Now then Israel, you have seen what it has come to ? Have you
    seen enough ? Return and live, stop with the mentioned breaking of the
    Torah, and perhaps you can still live in peace and happiness.

    * End reply.

    Already failed to stay quiet. The Torah is interesting and also so is
    the hopefully coming Redemption, so I end up watching a video. Then I
    find something to take issue with, and have to react on it, in the hopes
    that something will improve (which it never does, at least not so far).

    I'm sorry about massive amounts of spelling errors in previous posting.
    I don't know why it was so bad. Perhaps it was even useful however,
    because the topic became rather tense, potentially harsh and somewhat
    scary. Tyrants have abused people using such arguments also, or
    something close to it.

    It's all quite different from what I propose (signature), however the
    truth is the truth, and I do'nt understand why people love lying so
    much, and I also can't really comprehend how a lying people can make a
    success out of their own Nation to live in for everyone, happy ever
    after. Truth is truth, and lies are not good, and also to be at war with
    your own people (lying about important common things such as the law) is
    not good either. There has to be enough love for the truth, care for
    each other, for a Nation to function. Right ? With so much lying going
    on for so long, the lying and stopping it becomes a serious problem.

    Is the prozbul really a lie, Rambam Shemita 10:8, is that a lie ? Yes
    that is a lie. It is completely obvious that this is not what the Torah
    says. Hence it is a lie, in that system (the Torah). If you say: but we
    don't care for the Torah anymore, we are just loosely inspired by it but
    do our own thing, then maybe you are not lying anymore. You admitted
    that you don't follow the Torah seriously, and that you don't really
    know what you are doing and you just make something up by your own whim (judging by the piss poor quality of laws such as the prozbul and
    Shemita 10:8). By claiming to stand for the Torah, which is what the
    Rabbis do, they create a screen of confusion for people who do want to
    be honest, and then get ensnared by the Rabbis.

    If Rabbis said "We follow the Torah for the most part, but then we added
    some lies of our own making to it, you like ?", that would be honest.
    Then people would perhaps have an easier time ignoring them, and maybe
    the Redemption could then happen based on the Torah system: Jubilee on
    land, loans forgiven in the 7th year, Shabbos kept the whole day with
    plenty of rest and relaxation to think things over ... Maybe it would be
    enough for the Redemption, we can always hope I guess.

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